Don, Interesting that you should suggest Co. Fermanagh as my William Johnston, son of Red Robin, married a Sarah Johnstone, and we know that her family was from Cahore, Co. Fermanagh. I've posted over there, and no one has been able to find anything for me though...but that was a year ago - should try the Wee Three there too. Thanks. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donal O'Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" > Look first in the plantations of Fermanagh. > Don > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The > "Wee > Three" > > >> Don, >> >> Thanks for the link, >> >> I have a Y-DNA cousin who has an extensive and well documented family >> tree >> for his branch going back to the Johnston/es in Poldean, Scotland, and >> the >> Old Gang of Wamphray. He was fortunate to have his grandfather's >> genealogy >> work - very complete. >> >> Unfortunately I'm missing a link in the chain for my branch - the one >> that >> has Ireland on it. >> >> Yes, our name was undoubtedly Johnstone originally. One of my Y-DNA >> cousins >> still spells his Johnstone, and I have family photographs with >> "Johnstone" >> written on the reverse. Our "e" probably disappeared in Ireland. >> >> Cliff. Johnston >> "May the best you've ever seen, >> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, I photographed the only McBride gravestone at old Ballymoney town cemetery. There are several other burying grounds in the area of Ballymoney. "Erected by James McBride of Ballymoney in memory of his father Archey McBride who departed this life 21st of November 1841 aged 26 years. The above James McBride departed this life on the 21st of February 1865 aged 29 years" Let me know if a copy of the photograph is of use to you. Norm ----- Original Message ----- From: "James M TeVogt" <jimtv@juno.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] McBride from Ballymoney > > I am looking for information on the McBride family from Ballymoney. > John, Mary, William and Daniel McBride emigrated to the U.S. in the mid > 1850's. Probable siblings Andrew and Samuel McBride, and possibly others, > remained in Ballymoney. Death records of some of the siblings who > emigrated indicate that the parents were named Samuel and Mary Jane. Does > anyone have information on this family or possibly cemetery records etc. > for McBrides at Ballymoney? > > Jim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Don, Thanks for the link, I have a Y-DNA cousin who has an extensive and well documented family tree for his branch going back to the Johnston/es in Poldean, Scotland, and the Old Gang of Wamphray. He was fortunate to have his grandfather's genealogy work - very complete. Unfortunately I'm missing a link in the chain for my branch - the one that has Ireland on it. Yes, our name was undoubtedly Johnstone originally. One of my Y-DNA cousins still spells his Johnstone, and I have family photographs with "Johnstone" written on the reverse. Our "e" probably disappeared in Ireland. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay

Get into the old plantation rosters. These old records are hard to find, but some are on the FermanaghGenWeb site.......with leads to others. Check Griffith's Valuation for many of the surname. Put dots on a map everywhere you find them and after awhile you will see the dots grouping close to other known relatives. If you find several known surnames grouped together, perhaps paydirt, or perhaps a big against the odds coincident. Good luck with your quest. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" > Don, > > Interesting that you should suggest Co. Fermanagh as my William Johnston, > son of Red Robin, married a Sarah Johnstone, and we know that her family > was > from Cahore, Co. Fermanagh. I've posted over there, and no one has been > able to find anything for me though...but that was a year ago - should try > the Wee Three there too. Thanks. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donal O'Kelly" <ocollaugh@comcast.net> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The > "Wee > Three" > > >> Look first in the plantations of Fermanagh. >> Don >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The >> "Wee >> Three" >> >> >>> Don, >>> >>> Thanks for the link, >>> >>> I have a Y-DNA cousin who has an extensive and well documented family >>> tree >>> for his branch going back to the Johnston/es in Poldean, Scotland, and >>> the >>> Old Gang of Wamphray. He was fortunate to have his grandfather's >>> genealogy >>> work - very complete. >>> >>> Unfortunately I'm missing a link in the chain for my branch - the one >>> that >>> has Ireland on it. >>> >>> Yes, our name was undoubtedly Johnstone originally. One of my Y-DNA >>> cousins >>> still spells his Johnstone, and I have family photographs with >>> "Johnstone" >>> written on the reverse. Our "e" probably disappeared in Ireland. >>> >>> Cliff. Johnston >>> "May the best you've ever seen, >>> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >>> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pam, Thanks. What year is the Ulster Covenant for? Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" > Cliff > > Have you tried this site for N Ireland > > http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ > > It is free to join you can even look at messages but not post a message or > reply unless you join. It is lots of general and useful info linked to it > also. So a message to the County Antrim list may help or admin may tell > you > how to post a message to all of the subsidiary lists. > > > I looked at the Ulster Covenant to see where Johnstons may be and there > were > over 5000 for Johnston and 188 for Johnstone! So searched for Archibald in > case it was a family name and came up with these? > > Surname, forename, address, parliamentary division, district, place of > signing, agent. > > Johnston, Archibald, Lisanymore, Cavan: East, Bailieborough, Billis, > Wallace, W : Reverend > Johnston, Archibald, 58 Argyle Street, Belfast: West, Shankill, Albert > Hall, > Shannon, William > > Not sure if any of this is any use? > > Pam > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cliff. Johnston > Sent: 28 January 2007 15:43 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The > "Wee > Three" > > Pam, > > There are several considerations in looking for a will in Ireland. > > First, the oral family history that I have about the sailor visiting my > ggrandfather came from his neice who was a girl at the time and visiting > her > > uncle, my ggrandfather. She answered the door and overheard parts of the > conversation. She didn't know what happened after as my ggrandfather was > away visiting kin at the time. So I don't know if it was our family, or > if > the sailor returned or went to find my ggrandfather. It is somewhat > coincidental and curiosity-raising though that James moved to a > significantly better farm shortly thereafter. In addtion when 2 of my > Dad's > > aunts visited Ireland in the 1920's they found all of our kin deceased - > no > one now knows where though - very frustrating. > > Secondly, we don't know what the name of the deceased family member in > Ireland was or where he lived. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:34 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The > "Wee > Three" > > >> If someone came looking via a solicitor then I assume there was maybe a >> will. Worth checking to see if any Will exists via Belfast ro Dublin >> ecord >> office I assume? >> >> Pam >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd >> Sent: 28 January 2007 00:40 >> To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The >> "Wee >> Three" >> >> Cliff >> What other Canadian information have your found on the three brothers in >> Canada? - Death certificatees, Census entries, newspaper reports of their >> deaths, etc. Even on reports of the 50th or 100th aniversiary of the >> County >> >> may have something on where the family came from in Ireland. >> >> You did not say what religion they were? Check the local County history >> to >> see if any other famileis or Minister's came in this period. This MAY >> give >> you the general background to see where your family came from. So if >> the >> county history says that people from Belfast, Ballymoney, etc came in >> certain years, those towns regions maybe an starting point. >> >> Mike Boyd >> Brisbane >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:25 AM >> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee >> Three" >> >> >>> We have no locations in Ireland for any of the Wee Three; however, >>> various sources of oral family history have them coming from all over >>> the >>> island - Ballymena, Londonderry, Tarra, Co. Donegal and Co. Cork being >>> mentioned. To make matters even more frustrating is that in the 1920's >>> 2 >>> of my Dad's aunts visited Ireland, found all of our Johnston kin buried >>> (none surviving), made a journal containing their burial details, and >>> now >>> no one knows what happened to the journal or where the 2 sisters >>> visited. >>> >>> Ca. 1905-1910 a sailor came to my ggrandfather's farm searching for a >>> Johnston. He had been hired by a solicitor in Ireland. The last of our >>> Johnstons had died leaving no surviving kin in Ireland and a small >>> estate. >> >>> He may have been a pub owner. My grandfather moved about this time to a >>> better farm in Clarence Twp., Russell Co., Ontario, Canada, on what is >>> now >> >>> Johnston Road. >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, My big problem is that their birth location(s) in Ireland is unknown. All died and are buried in Canada. In addition they were in Upper Canada by 1832 ,and most of the Irish records that people refer to are after 1832. So it's a bit of a needle in a haystack. I'm always open to suggestions and will see what I can do. Thanks for the help. Much appreciated. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Red Robin and his land > Cliff > On another Irish Net group, I saw where an researcher took all the > surnames > he was looking from Tithe Lists (for Ulster I think it said he did), but > if > you start with County Antrim, then you may find some of your brothers > listed > or be able to use the group to remove others. Thus giving you an "area" > to > work on in Ireland. That would be far better than going through Papers to > try to find burial records. Then do another County, if you have not found > them in Antrim. > > Oh is there an Johnston Net group? And would it be worht joining as well. > Especially if you try to use the Tithe List method of research. > > Would it be worth writing to the Presbyterian Church at Ballymoney - I > assume that there is more than one through - to see if they have any > records > on these three brothers? Hopefully, their records are not burnt as well!! > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:16 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Red Robin and his land > > >> The Wee Three signed on to buy their farmlands much earlier than the >> dates >> above. Each built a shanty while they cleared the land, built their >> houses >> and then finally took formal possession of the land. The government did >> not >> tax shanties - an incentive to get people to live on the land, clear it, >> get >> established and then build a taxable house. The government was very wise >> in >> this respect. The Assessment Roll indicates that Francis was on his land >> first in 1827, Robert was on his land in 1835, and Archibald was on his >> land >> in 1842. Oral family history indicates that initially they may have >> worked >> at a mill in Riceville during the week and gone to their land on the >> weekends to clear it. They may also have done some lumber jacking too. >> >> My ggrandfather James was the one who sold our original homestead and >> moved >> to Clarence Twp., Russell Co. on Johnston Road. I don't have the lot >> details at my fingertips right now. It's still packed from our move. >> >> I hope that this helps. >> >> Cliff. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, Do you mean the "Lord Dunluce?" I'm sure the Lord Dunluce made many trips across the Atlantic in those days, but it also happened to be the second ship of Rev. William Martin. Then there's the "Lord Dungannon." Here are some clippings from my files about the Lord Dungannon: 1767-68 – Lord Dunagannon from Ireland to South Carolina Nathaniel Bailey and his family originally came from the town of Ballybay, Monaghan County, Ireland as part of a decade long migration of the Presbyterian congregation led by Dr. Thomas Clarke. Dr. Clarke led several groups of the congregation in Ballybay to New York and later to Abbeville County, SC area. Nathaniel Bailey and Jane and their children sailed on the Brig, the Lord Dunagannon from Belfast on 9/8/1767. They arrived in Charleston, SC on 2/3/1768. This ship was between 180 and 200 tons and on this ship were 139 Irish protestants. http://english-america.com/spls/767sc008.html#Lord_Dungannon Kinnard, John . . . . . . 34 * Listed together in this order Kinnard, Mary . . . . . . 30 * Kinnard, Jannet . . . . . 10 * Kinnard, Elizabeth . . . 8 * Kinnard, John . . . . . . 5 * Kinnard, William . . . . 3 * Land Warrant Petitions with number of acres (cit. 1, pages 103-104, but alphabetized here). Those names which are not on the above list or are given as under the age of 16 on the above list may refer to others who arrived on another vessel, were simply missed, or have ages incorrectly listed. Kinnard, John . . . . . . 350 The Lord Dungannon, 1767 1767-8 The Lord Dungannon (listed in "Journal" as the Lord Dunagannon), with Irish Protestant passengers, departed Ireland in late 1767 and arrived at Charleston, South Carolina in early 1768. (For further information regarding this group of Irish Protestants, see Ships to South Carolina, 1768 & 1772.) Primary Source: Journal 34 of the South Carolina Council, pages 53-61 Secondary Sources: (1)"Protestant Immigrants to South Carolina, 1763-1773", pages 104-106 (2)"Ulster Emigration", page 237 (only provides basic information from citation 1 and lists the vessel as the "Lord Dungannon", apparently the source of this alternate spelling - possibly a transcription or typographical error. (By the way, I am also researching the Boyds of Newberry, SC), simply because they were neighbors to my Glasgow ancestors and signed legal documents on which Glasgow names also appeared. Also, I am making a comprehensive study of Gilders Creek Cemetery, where some of these Boyds are buried. I was not able to answer any of your questions, but I thought I would mention I am interested in the Boyds as well).

Look first in the plantations of Fermanagh. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" > Don, > > Thanks for the link, > > I have a Y-DNA cousin who has an extensive and well documented family tree > for his branch going back to the Johnston/es in Poldean, Scotland, and the > Old Gang of Wamphray. He was fortunate to have his grandfather's > genealogy > work - very complete. > > Unfortunately I'm missing a link in the chain for my branch - the one that > has Ireland on it. > > Yes, our name was undoubtedly Johnstone originally. One of my Y-DNA > cousins > still spells his Johnstone, and I have family photographs with "Johnstone" > written on the reverse. Our "e" probably disappeared in Ireland. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I understand Johnstone came from the borders. Find them near Lockerbie on this map.(upper left side) http://grovenet.net/~donkelly/index.html/history/scott.htm Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" > Cliff > > Have you tried this site for N Ireland > > http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ > > It is free to join you can even look at messages but not post a message or > reply unless you join. It is lots of general and useful info linked to it > also. So a message to the County Antrim list may help or admin may tell > you > how to post a message to all of the subsidiary lists. > > > I looked at the Ulster Covenant to see where Johnstons may be and there > were > over 5000 for Johnston and 188 for Johnstone! So searched for Archibald in > case it was a family name and came up with these? > > Surname, forename, address, parliamentary division, district, place of > signing, agent. > > Johnston, Archibald, Lisanymore, Cavan: East, Bailieborough, Billis, > Wallace, W : Reverend > Johnston, Archibald, 58 Argyle Street, Belfast: West, Shankill, Albert > Hall, > Shannon, William > > Not sure if any of this is any use? > > Pam > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cliff. Johnston > Sent: 28 January 2007 15:43 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The > "Wee > Three" > > Pam, > > There are several considerations in looking for a will in Ireland. > > First, the oral family history that I have about the sailor visiting my > ggrandfather came from his neice who was a girl at the time and visiting > her > > uncle, my ggrandfather. She answered the door and overheard parts of the > conversation. She didn't know what happened after as my ggrandfather was > away visiting kin at the time. So I don't know if it was our family, or > if > the sailor returned or went to find my ggrandfather. It is somewhat > coincidental and curiosity-raising though that James moved to a > significantly better farm shortly thereafter. In addtion when 2 of my > Dad's > > aunts visited Ireland in the 1920's they found all of our kin deceased - > no > one now knows where though - very frustrating. > > Secondly, we don't know what the name of the deceased family member in > Ireland was or where he lived. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:34 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The > "Wee > Three" > > >> If someone came looking via a solicitor then I assume there was maybe a >> will. Worth checking to see if any Will exists via Belfast ro Dublin >> ecord >> office I assume? >> >> Pam >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd >> Sent: 28 January 2007 00:40 >> To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The >> "Wee >> Three" >> >> Cliff >> What other Canadian information have your found on the three brothers in >> Canada? - Death certificatees, Census entries, newspaper reports of their >> deaths, etc. Even on reports of the 50th or 100th aniversiary of the >> County >> >> may have something on where the family came from in Ireland. >> >> You did not say what religion they were? Check the local County history >> to >> see if any other famileis or Minister's came in this period. This MAY >> give >> you the general background to see where your family came from. So if >> the >> county history says that people from Belfast, Ballymoney, etc came in >> certain years, those towns regions maybe an starting point. >> >> Mike Boyd >> Brisbane >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:25 AM >> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee >> Three" >> >> >>> We have no locations in Ireland for any of the Wee Three; however, >>> various sources of oral family history have them coming from all over >>> the >>> island - Ballymena, Londonderry, Tarra, Co. Donegal and Co. Cork being >>> mentioned. To make matters even more frustrating is that in the 1920's >>> 2 >>> of my Dad's aunts visited Ireland, found all of our Johnston kin buried >>> (none surviving), made a journal containing their burial details, and >>> now >>> no one knows what happened to the journal or where the 2 sisters >>> visited. >>> >>> Ca. 1905-1910 a sailor came to my ggrandfather's farm searching for a >>> Johnston. He had been hired by a solicitor in Ireland. The last of our >>> Johnstons had died leaving no surviving kin in Ireland and a small >>> estate. >> >>> He may have been a pub owner. My grandfather moved about this time to a >>> better farm in Clarence Twp., Russell Co., Ontario, Canada, on what is >>> now >> >>> Johnston Road. >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again Cliff, And Ballymoney again. In George Millar's list of the inhabitants of Ballymoney in 1806 there is Robin Johnston, a tailor, Presbyterian, residing at 11 Meeting House Lane, South Side. (Robin is a pretty infrequent given name in these parts.) Other Johnstons in the list are: Neddy Johnston, watchmaker, 23 Main Street, East Side Hugh Johnston, a tailor, 16 Head of Town, East Side both Presbyterian. There is a gravestone in the old parish burying ground in Ballymoney: "Interred here, JANE, wife to HUGH JOHNSON of Ballymoney, who departed this life 25 July 1839 aged 69. Also five of their children. Also the above HUGH JOHNSON who depd this life 9 Oct 1851 aged 82." Image is available of this stone. I don't have a list of graves at the new Ballymoney cemetery. Norm

In a message dated 28/01/2007 8:42:39 PM GMT Standard Time, BP.Patea@xtra.co.nz writes: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle/Rm/index.htm Liv, Check out the above webpage. It mentions the Lord Dunluce. Nevin

Hi Lynette, Hope it one you can use. Liz LEETCH In loving memory of John Leetch, Omerbane. Who died 6th March, 1900. Aged 35 years. Also his daughter Annie Leetch, died 16th July, 1898, aged 3 years. And his son Henry Leetch, died 1st February, 1930. Aged 32 years. Also his wife Sarah Leetch, died 26th February, 1936. Aged 77 years. Also daughter Agnes Leetch, died 5th Sept 1945. Also their daughter Sarah, died 2Yd June 1953.

Peggy, These Johnstons do get to you, don't they? Sort of addicting...lol... Robert Johnston: N. 1/2 of Lot 23 in the 7th Concession, N. Plantagenet Twp., Prescott Co. Dated October 6, 1845 Archibald Johnston, S. 1/2 of Lot 23 in the 7th Concession, N. Plantagenet Twp., Prescott Co. Dated October 6, 1845 Francis Johnston, S. 1/2 of Lot 21 in the 9th Concession, N. Plantagenet Twp., Prescott Co. Dated October 20, 1832 George Johnson [sic], S. 1/2 of Lot 21 in the 9th Concession, N. Plantagenet Twp., Prescott Co. On 1822 Assessment Roll I'm not sure as to what claim George Johnson had on the property. He may have gotten it from the Crown originally - which may be a break for us as there would be a Land Petition on record, but then the Canada Company had the land and sold it to Francis Johnston. I don't know what the mechanics of this were. The Wee Three signed on to buy their farmlands much earlier than the dates above. Each built a shanty while they cleared the land, built their houses and then finally took formal possession of the land. The government did not tax shanties - an incentive to get people to live on the land, clear it, get established and then build a taxable house. The government was very wise in this respect. The Assessment Roll indicates that Francis was on his land first in 1827, Robert was on his land in 1835, and Archibald was on his land in 1842. Oral family history indicates that initially they may have worked at a mill in Riceville during the week and gone to their land on the weekends to clear it. They may also have done some lumber jacking too. My ggrandfather James was the one who sold our original homestead and moved to Clarence Twp., Russell Co. on Johnston Road. I don't have the lot details at my fingertips right now. It's still packed from our move. I hope that this helps. Cliff. "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Red Robin and his land > > Hi Cliff, > Can you tell me again what lot Red Robin emigrated to from Ireland when > he > arrived in Plantagenet, and then what lot did the family move to in > Russell? > Or what lot Francis may have emigrated to? Or Archibald? > Maybe there is a clue there somewhere back to Ireland > Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:31 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The > "Wee Three" > > > > Mike, > > > > Unfortunately the Wee Three lived in what we in Texas would call the > > boondocks. In Canada it's referred to as the "bush". They were not > totally > > isolated by any means, but it wasn't mainstream farm country either. > > Records for the 1800's in that part of Prescott Co. are largely > incomplete. > > I've not yet been able to find a death certificate for my > gggrandfather, > > Robert "Red Robin" Johnston or Francis Johnston. In fact it wasn't > until > > last year that we were able to confirm where he is buried as there is > no > > marker on his grave. > > > > As for religion, oral family history indicates that Robert "Red Robin" > > Johnston's father was Presbyterian, but may have gone to the C. of I. > for > > political reasons - not sure though. On this side of the Pond he > waffled. > > I guess that it depended on what denomination was available at the > time. > > One census has him as a Methodist, another as Plymouth Bretheren, but > he > > eventually was buried in a Presbyterian Cemetery. Fortunately the > Plymouth > > Bretheren kept good books. A cousin had access to them and found that > Red > > Robin may have attended some of their meetings, but he never joined > them. > > Again, I think that it all goes back to what was available at the time > in > > his area. What makes our search even more difficult is that the > > Presbyterian Church records were destroyed in a fire back in the 1920's > or > > so. As luck would have it the Church members kept 2 sets of books at > > different locations to avoid a total loss should some disaster strike, > and > > that worked brilliantly until someone had the even brighter idea to > bring > > both sets to the Church one weekend to "justify" both sets. That's the > > weekend that the Church burned down... > > > > I've searched the Ottawa Journal for obituaries. It was frustrating > and > > tedious as there was an obituary section on the last page or so, but > > prominant people were written up on the earlier pages and then not > included > > in the obituary section so every page of the paper had to be > scrutinized. > > Larger surrounding communties and areas had their own "foreign > > correspondents" (tic) who kept the Journal up to date with bdm's in the > > outlying counties; however, the part of Prescott County where the Wee > Three > > lived was a "no man's land" with no one covering it. I found no > mention > of > > any of our Johnstons in the 1890's at all in the Ottawa Journal. > > > > The Census records have been our primary source of records, of course, > and > > I've made copies of many pertinant pages so that I have them at my > > fingertips, so to speak. > > > > I've checked several history books published by various local societies > and > > churches. Good information was found on some of our second generation > > Canadian-born Johnstons, but coverage is lacking on any of the earlier > > generations. I've talked with some people who told me that ommissions > on > > the early Johnstons may have been done on purpose. I don't know all of > the > > details, but Red Robin was said to have been very charismatic, tall, > > handsome, etc. and many of the area women liked him which made him > unpopular > > with many of the area men...dunno...I wasn't there. In addition the > > Johnston men were all members of the Pendleton Orange Lodge, but I'm > told > > that they weren't like the flaming Orangemen that we read about in the > > newspapers today in Ireland. It was basically a social club as they > were > > excluded from social activities run by the local RC church. I'm not > aware > > of any friction there as some of our Johnston's best friends were > > French-Canadian RC's and many of our people spoke French fluently. I > can > > recall meeting some as a child and hearing them laugh and tell stories. > > > > I thought about checking the land records too. Unfortunately each of > the > > Wee Three bought his farm from the Canada Company which means that > beyond a > > description of the land involved and the name of the purchaser there is > no > > other personal information. To compound matters, records for the year > in > > which Robert "Red Robin" Johnston acquired his farm are missing...it > just > > never seems to end...one missing record after another. > > > > Only Francis left a will that I'm aware of. Robert distributed his > land > and > > assets before he died so none was needed. I don't know about Archibald > as > > he moved to Melita, Manitoba, and died there. I've got a cousin Brenda > from > > his line who has very detailed work on his descendants, and I don't > recall > > her ever mentioning a will for him. He probably did the same thing > that > > Robert did and distributed his assets before he died. That seems to > have > > been a very popular thing to do among our Johnston family members. > They > are > > not known for hoarding their money. They bend over backward to help > family. > > > > By the way, I've been at this since 1979. It is only with the rise in > > popularity of genealogy and the computer ca. 1995 that I've made > significant > > progress though. > > > > So, what other records are there to search? There is a reference book > on > > the Canada Company. Evidently for some years they acted as a sort of > bank > > for farmers who bought land from them. The Canada Company would take > money > > from them and send it back to Ireland and their kin, if they so > desired. > > Unfortunately I don't have access to that book. There is an outside > chance > > that they may have sent some money back home to kin in Ireland; > however, it > > would be an outside chance at best as they all had their own growing > > families to feed on this side of the pond. They were all hard working > men. > > Other than that I'm just about back to the familiar, olde, brick > > wall...dunno... That's why I opted for the Y-DNA test, and it has been > well > > worth the money and effort as I've acquired several newfound cousins > over > > the past year, and we are moving forward. Now I'm redoubling our > search > > efforts in Ireland. Surely with all of the dates and names that we > have > now > > something will show up somewhere...may be... ;-) > > > > Cliff. Johnston > > "May the best you've ever seen, > > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> > > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The > "Wee > > Three" > > > > > >> Cliff > >> What other Canadian information have your found on the three brothers > in > >> Canada? - Death certificatees, Census entries, newspaper reports of > their > >> deaths, etc. Even on reports of the 50th or 100th aniversiary of the > >> County > >> may have something on where the family came from in Ireland. > >> > >> You did not say what religion they were? Check the local County > history > >> to > >> see if any other famileis or Minister's came in this period. This MAY > >> give > >> you the general background to see where your family came from. So if > the > >> county history says that people from Belfast, Ballymoney, etc came in > >> certain years, those towns regions maybe an starting point. > >> > >> Mike Boyd > >> Brisbane > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> > >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:25 AM > >> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The > "Wee > >> Three" > >> > >> > >>> We have no locations in Ireland for any of the Wee Three; however, > >>> various sources of oral family history have them coming from all over > the > >>> island - Ballymena, Londonderry, Tarra, Co. Donegal and Co. Cork > being > >>> mentioned. To make matters even more frustrating is that in the > 1920's 2 > >>> of my Dad's aunts visited Ireland, found all of our Johnston kin > buried > >>> (none surviving), made a journal containing their burial details, and > now > >>> no one knows what happened to the journal or where the 2 sisters > visited. > >>> > >>> Ca. 1905-1910 a sailor came to my ggrandfather's farm searching for a > >>> Johnston. He had been hired by a solicitor in Ireland. The last of > our > >>> Johnstons had died leaving no surviving kin in Ireland and a small > >>> estate. > >>> He may have been a pub owner. My grandfather moved about this time > to > a > >>> better farm in Clarence Twp., Russell Co., Ontario, Canada, on what > is > >>> now > >>> Johnston Road. > >>> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Nevin I will have a look, but my Lynns were almost certainly in the Ahoghill area from at least the 1830s. The best summary I have seen of Lynn in Antrim is a paper by James Lynn: "Searching for Lynn Ancestors in County Antrim", which lists all Lynn (and variants) he has found in the records. These are the Lynns in the Kilcurry area: From "Tithe Composition Applotment Books" for parishes in County Antrim, 1825: Adam Linn (Kilcurry, Ahoghill) Hugh Linn (Kilcurry, Ahoghill) James Linn (Kilcurry, Ahoghill) William Linn (Kilcurry, Ahoghill) From 1860 -1862, Poor Law Union of Ballymena for Kilcurry: *Occupier* *Lessor* *Area* William Linn James Craig house and garden Henry Linn William Cheney 7 0 15 Patrick and Michael Linn Rev. W. C. O'Neil 12 1 30 Anne Linn Rev. W. C. O'Neil 1 3 0 John Linn Rev. W. C. O'Neil 11 2 15 Kind Regards Murray Lynn Christchurch New Zealand Web Site <http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mlynn/> TaggartN@aol.com wrote: > Janet, > > It might be worth checking out these two Simon Lynnes in Griffiths Valuation: > > Lynne, Simon County : Dublin Parish : Santry Location : Santry c1850 > Lynne, Simon County : Mayo Parish : Kilcummin Location : Ballygarry c1856 > > Regards > Nevin > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Janet The Mooney / Lynn link is: Birth: John Lynn Parents: John Lynn & Mary Mooney Of: Ahoghill Minister: Witnesses: Bapt. date: 13 Nov 1870 I can't see a link but there could have been in the the previous generations. The records are from the Aughnahoy Church records (NLI) which are in: From Film P5472 Ahoghill Parish records Baptisms Marriages and Deaths 1833 to 1863 Baptisms 10 Jan 1864 to 1880 Marriages 3 April 1866 to Dec 1880 We only had a couple of hours to look up the records at the NLI and all those that I found are on my website at: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mlynn/01_Lynn/FT_Lynn_02.html. The very early records were very hard to read and so (unfortunately) I didn't spend a lot of time on the baptisms pre about 1860. Kind Regards Murray Lynn Christchurch New Zealand Web Site <http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mlynn/> Jan & Ron wrote: > Hello Murray, > > I am looking for both Lynn and Mooney, but I do not know where they came > from in Ireland. > Patrick Lynn born about 1835(father Simon) and Jane Mooney born about > 1836(father John) came to England and married in Liverpool in 1856. I think > they lied about their ages at their marriage as Jane age is 4 years younger > on the 1871 census. > They had several children but the boys seem to have died in childhood. > Daughter Alice born 1857 married a Owen Murphy and Margaret born 1859 > married a Simon Martin. I think the youngest son Peter born 1769 might have > survived. That is all the information I have on them. > > Regards, > Janet Brennan. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Murray Lynn" <m.lynn@paradise.net.nz> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:54 AM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Antrim Interests - Lynn, O'Kane & Connery > > > >> My family came from the area around KILCURRY and CASHELTOWN in southwest >> Antrim. >> >> Family events (BMD) seemed to occur at the Aughnahoy rather than the >> Ahoghill church. >> >> Family names: >> LYNN >> O'KANE or KANE >> CONNERY >> >> and from across the border at Ballymaguigan: >> WALLS >> MCCORMICK >> DIMOND / DIAMOND >> >> >> and associated names - witnesses, marriages etc: >> GRAFFIN >> O'NEILL >> MCCORLEY >> MCCOURT >> MOONEY >> MCERLANE >> DUGGAN >> MOOR >> MALLON >> O'HARA >> >> I would be very interested to hear from anyone with any possible >> connections. >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Murray Lynn >> Christchurch >> New Zealand >> Web Site <http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mlynn/> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Bob and all Inscriptions for the burying grounds at Newtowncrommelin Church of Ireland (Parish Church) and Second Donegore Presbyterian are also available in booklet form. If any list members would like to volunteer to supply lookups from one of these sources, I would be delighted to hear (to my personal email address) from you. Norm (see http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlantbp/ for the inscriptions at Billy Parish Church, North Antrim) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Wilson" <wilso127@yahoo.com> To: <nir-antrim@rootsweb.com>; <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <l_carter@hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [NIR-ANTRIM] Gravestone Inscriptions > To Lorna et al - > I am aware of at least six booklets published by and available from the > Ballymena Borough Council (series editor, Eull Dunlop) that document > churchyard gravestone inscriptions at the following burial grounds in the > Ballymena vicinity: > > 1. Kellswater Reformed Presbyterian > 2. Old Ballyclug > 3. CullybackeyUnited Free/Old Methodist > 4. St. Savior's, Connor > 5. Skerry > 6. First and Second Killymurris (Presumed ancestral relatives of mine > named Wiseman and Dunlop are interred in the First Killymurris yard, in > the old Ballywatermoy Townland, now Dromore. Either nearby or on the site > of this ground, my presumed collateral cousin, Patrick Wiseman (d. 1917) > "gave the ground for the first Gospel Hall in Ballywatermoy.") > > I believe these valuable resource booklets, and probably more in this > series, are still available from the > Ballymena Borough Council > 80 Galgorm Road > Ballymena, Cty. Antrim, NI BT42 1AB > > Bob Wilson > Beaufort SC USA > > Lorna <lornap@adelphia.net> wrote: > Liz, > > > > Thank you for the nice lookup offer. I would greatly appreciate the > Lamont inscription(s) when you have time. > > > > Lorna in Maine > > > > > "If You Want A Safe Job, Go Sell Shoes! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NIR-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jim, In an earlier email I mention Rodden Foot St. There is a current name Rodeing Foot which is close to the library on the map and beside the Presbyterian church. I suspect Rodden Foot and Rodeing Foot refer to the same location. Regards Nevin

Thanks Nevin I've been communicating with Vincent Peters (mentioned in the comments) whose site Triskelle - http://www.vincentpeters.nl/triskelle/lyrics/rodymccorley.php?index=080.010.060.050&rec=519 - contains a very interesting outline of the story - in fact he has just updated it. He is of the opinion that Roddy was probably Catholic and that the story that he was Protestant most likely originated because his mother and stepfather were Protestant. The problem is that there is very little solid fact to back up any of the stories. I am still digging into it, but the only written source seems to be a brief mention in the Belfast Paper which pins down the date - 28 Feb 1800 - not Good Friday and not 1799 as many versions say. There are even several versions of Ethna Carberry's original poem - the one on Vincent's site is the longest - and I agree with him that the last two verses are a different style and were probably added later. An interesting mystery! Kind Regards Murray TaggartN@aol.com wrote: > Have a browse in the comments section about Roddy McCorley. There seems to > be some doubt about his religious affiliation. > > _http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/6673_ > (http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/6673) > > Regards > Nevin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I've checked Griffith's Valuation for 1861 and there's no mention of a Mary Jane McBride as head of household/lessee in Ballymoney parish but there is a Samuel McBride Mc Bride, Samuel Parish : Ballymoney Location : Townparks/T/Ballymoney/Rodden Foot St. Mc Bride, William Parish : Ballymoney Location : Townparks/T/Ballymoney/Rodden Foot St. The library in Ballymoney I think is at the Rodden Foot and the adjacent old peoples' home is known as The Roddens. The circle marks the position of the library: _http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=55.071&lon=-6.5099&scale=5000&icon =x_ (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=55.071&lon=-6.5099&scale=5000&icon=x) Check also Ballymoney Ancestry _http://www.ballymoneyancestry.com/index.asp_ (http://www.ballymoneyancestry.com/index.asp) There's a Samuel McBride, wife Jane, in receipt of outdoor relief in 1874. Regards Nevin

Hi, My Johnstons are supposed to have come from Co. Antrim. Would love to see any transcriptions for them, when and if you can. Thank you. Peggy --------------------------------------------------------------------------------