Martha Logan was born 1790; James Johnston was born 1785 - died in Ohio 1896 The Logans were farmers and stone masons and lived in the Broughshane and Brekagh areas. I don't know how long they were there, but for a very long time. Deb Logan

----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Lascelles" <y.lascelles@toucansurf.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] re Kyle > This is the only Peter kyle I could find Record Type Civil Birth > Date of Birth 1 Apr 1872 > Name Peter KYLE > Gender M > Mothers Maiden Name Mary Jane KYLE > Civil District Lisnaskea > Sub District Brookeborough > County Fermanagh > > > > on Emerald ancestors, hope it is of some help > Yvonne Lascelles > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Iretonhenry@aol.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Emerald Ancestors helo > > >>i apologise if i read your email, at 75 i thought i was reasonable bu now >> realise i am not, i am looking for a peter kyle married alice kilpatrick >> more >> than likely in a Presbyterian church in northern ireland, can you help me >> it's >> the pronti i can not' understand and of course the expense can be off >> putting, i have been trying for three years now, >> if you can help i would be grateful >> god bless liz Hamilton >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

I wonder if you mean Armagh, but this is a county in its right -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:22 PM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Armaugh, Co Antrim, Ireland I know that some members have posted websites recently that will tell you where townlands are. Being good the other night I deleted all of my 3,300 messages that I had to go some action on. So I am now not going to be able to find it amongszt teh 6,000 delete messages I have. As I can't find Armaugh, Co Antrim, Ireland, I can only asssume it is an Townland. Can someone tell me where it is please? Thank you Mike boyd Brisbane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, I enjoyed perusing your Photo bucket and the other links supplied in today's newsletter. For some reason, I thought that you have Todds. Are they in America or in Ireland? Have you seen the Todd DNA project page? It is quite impressive. MY Todd donor was genetically linked to Mary Todd Lincoln's second great grandfather, but the link had to have occurred in Ireland before my Patrick immigrated in 1798. I am wondering how you obtained the 1790's census images for your Bartleys. I subscribe to the full Ancestry program but nothing that early has ever been included. Happy hunting, Ann Lackey

I was about to change it in my records, but realised that it was not spelt as Armagh, so I have assumed it is an Townland. Her brother was Rev Adam Boyd of Ballymoney. A Presbyterian Minister in Lancaster Co., PA. So it did not make any sense that she would be said to have come from Armagh (But I assume that is where we may find her in time. She did not go to Americ auntil 1735. Some 11 years after her brother. Mike Boyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "DIB" <DIB@ucd.ie> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Armaugh, Co Antrim, Ireland > > Mike, quite often on the internet (FamilySearch type sites) the submitter > puts in two county names in one birthplace record-whether carelessly or > because that is the only way they have to show that the subject is said > to > have been born or might have been born in either Antrim or Armagh. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Whike doing some other work, I found this reference:- "Charles Knowes Bolton, in his Scotch Irish Pioneers in Ulster and America, lists in an appendix names and hometowns of various Ulstermen taken from presbytery and synod records: David Boyd, Commissioner, Ballymoney, 1692" What sort of Commissioer would have David have been in 1692? Does anyone know if he had any descendants? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane

Here's a quote from Brian Mitchell's book "A Guide to Irish Churches and Graveyards." "Prior to the 1820s, owing to the operation of the Penal Laws, both Catholics and Protestants shared the same graveyards. And prior to the Burial Act of 1868, which permitted dissenting ministers to conduct burial services, the Church of Ireland clergy held jurisdiction over funeral services for all Protestants. Right up to the mid-nineteenth century it is not uncommon to find Presbyterian ministers and Methodist preachers buried in a Church of Ireland cemetery." Jack

Susan; >From what I've seen in Civil Registration records I got the impression that Knogher (Knocker) and Connor was the same name under Registrar's mangling. Have you come across that idea?. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <TrewBluSue@aol.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] James Knocker & Annie Louisa McDowell >I am searching for my mother's birth certificate. Her name was >Ellen Orr > Knocker. She was born in Belfast on August 3, 1914. Her mother's > name was > Annie Louisa McDowell. We think her father's name was John > Knocker. My > grandmother didn't marry John Knocker until 1915. My mother's > brother was James > Knocker also and born in Belfast in 1913. Annie McDowell (my > grandmiother) > later married Alexander Barter in 1918. > > Any help will be most appreciated! > > Susan Valentine > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Found this for what appears to be your grandmother Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 17 Jun 1918 Groom Name alexander BARTER Bride Name annie mcdowell BLAIR Church Saint Annes Church of Ireland Parish Shankill Civil District Belfast County Antrim Sorry could find nothing else. Tried looking under Blair using the first names and could nothing there either Patricia -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TrewBluSue@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:32 AM To: IRL-ANTRIM@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] James Knocker & Annie Louisa McDowell I am searching for my mother's birth certificate. Her name was Ellen Orr Knocker. She was born in Belfast on August 3, 1914. Her mother's name was Annie Louisa McDowell. We think her father's name was John Knocker. My grandmother didn't marry John Knocker until 1915. My mother's brother was James Knocker also and born in Belfast in 1913. Annie McDowell (my grandmiother) later married Alexander Barter in 1918. Any help will be most appreciated! Susan Valentine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol I did have a look for you but civil registrations of births didn't start till 1864 Patricia -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carol Baldi Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:12 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Lookup from Emerald Ancestors Patricia, I would appreciate so much if you could look up a birth for Charles W. Connor, born 1820 or 1821, possibly in County Antrim, Ahoghill parish. His father may be Patrick Connor..of that I am not sure and I don't know his mother's name. I've been stuck at this point for so long. Thank you for your help. Carol B. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think Milltown Cemetery in west Belfast might sometimes be called Glenalina. Nevin

Does anyone have any information on a Glenalina Cemetery in Belfast? It is listed on my great-grandmother's death certificate (1957) and I would like to request records. I can't find a single source for it online....only Belfast City cemetery. Thank you! Eireann

Hi Liz Sorry I could find nothing for your Peter Kyle Patricia -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Iretonhenry@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 12:30 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Emerald Ancestors helo i apologise if i read your email, at 75 i thought i was reasonable bu now realise i am not, i am looking for a peter kyle married alice kilpatrick more than likely in a Presbyterian church in northern ireland, can you help me it's the pronti i can not' understand and of course the expense can be off putting, i have been trying for three years now, if you can help i would be grateful god bless liz Hamilton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The birth below is the only one and fathers name is incorrect. I put the marriage in as if he was born on the earlier date you gave he could certainly got married in 1880. Nothing at all sorry for Crinlington Patricia Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 02 Feb 1880 Groom Name henry LEATHEM Bride Name jane RITCHIE Church Lisburn Cathedral Church of Ireland Parish Blaris Civil District Lisburn County Antrim / Down Record Type Civil Birth Date of Birth 21 Feb 1868 Name Henry LEATHEM Gender M Fathers Name Edward LEATHEM Mothers Maiden Name Jane DEMPSTER Civil District Ballymena Sub District Glenwhirry County Antrim -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of George & Wendy Grant Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:53 PM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Hello Patricia could I take you up on your kind offerplease ? I am after Henry Leathem, born between 1850 and 1870 fathers name John. Many thanks Wendy. And if you come across any Criglingtons at all I would be grateful only if you have time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Moosman" <pat.moosman@clear.net.nz> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Emerald Ancestors > This what you get for 10 pound to get the lot you have to pay another 12 > pound and get a certificate, the certificate gives exactly the same > details > as those ordered through the PRONI as that is where their information > comes > from but you get via e-mail within hours. I have got it for another 14 > days > if you would like to look something up for you, I would getting up to the > same level as those below. > > Patricia > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Shaw > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:10 PM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Emerald Ancestors > > hello Patricia, > > Are these typical of the data we can get for a £10 a month sub? > Do marriage extracts ever give details of bride or groom's parents? > Thanks > > John Shaw > Auckland NZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Moosman" <pat.moosman@clear.net.nz> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Hawthornes - help with research > > >> Have found this birth on Emerald ancestors but I think it is to late to >> be >> your William but thought I would send it anyway >> >> Record Type Civil Birth >> Date of Birth 2 May 1866 >> Name William HAWTHORNE >> Gender M >> Fathers Name William HAWTHORNE >> Mothers Maiden Name Martha YOUNG >> Civil District Newtownards >> Sub District Kilmood >> County Down >> >> >> And some marriages that might fit for James >> >> Record Type Civil Marriage >> Date of Marriage 07 May 1849 >> Groom Name james HAWTHORNE >> Bride Name isabella BALLANCE >> Church Banbridge Civil Registrars Office >> Parish Seapatrick >> Civil District Banbridge >> County Down >> >> Record Type Civil Marriage >> Date of Marriage 08 Sep 1857 >> Groom Name james HAWTHORNE >> Bride Name susanna RUDDOCK >> Church Dromore Church of Ireland >> Parish Dromore >> Civil District Banbridge >> County Down >> >> Record Type Civil Marriage >> Date of Marriage 15 Jan 1861 >> Groom Name james HAWTHORNE >> Bride Name elizabeth ELLIOTT >> Church Magheralin Church of Ireland >> Parish Magheralin >> Civil District Lurgan >> County Down >> >> >> Record Type Civil Marriage >> Date of Marriage 12 Sep 1861 >> Groom Name james HAWTHORNE >> Bride Name rachel CLUGSTON >> Church Antrim Old Presbyterian Church >> Parish Antrim >> Civil District Antrim >> County Antrim >> >> Hope this is of some help >> >> Patricia >> New Zealand >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Margaret Logan - there is a grave in the Rocavan Burying ground for "A stone lying flat: This stone marks the grave of Margaret Logan late of Crevamoy who died on the 14th December 1811 depd. this life in the 38th year of her age. Also her granddaughter Margaret Logan 22nd March 1828 in her 3rd year." The first Margaret would have been born 1773. The only Thomas in that cemetery was born 1837 -- too late for your Thomas. The Margarets in the Ahoghill cemetery are much later. Will have to wait till I get the film developed for the other cemeteries.

I know that some members have posted websites recently that will tell you where townlands are. Being good the other night I deleted all of my 3,300 messages that I had to go some action on. So I am now not going to be able to find it amongszt teh 6,000 delete messages I have. As I can't find Armaugh, Co Antrim, Ireland, I can only asssume it is an Townland. Can someone tell me where it is please? Thank you Mike boyd Brisbane

Eireann It appears to me that a section of the Belfast City cemetery is called the Glenalina. http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/cemeteries/history.asp?id=57 "Expansion In 1910, the cemetery was enlarged due to the purchase of the adjoining Glenalina property. The first burial in this part of the cemetery took place on November 11, 1915. In 1916, an agreement was reached with representatives of the Jewish Community through which a portion of the cemetery was set aside for the interment of persons of the Jewish faith. In 1916, a section of ground was also appropriated for the burial of deceased sailors and soldiers. A further section of the cemetery was used for the burial of members of the United States Army who died in Ireland, following injuries sustained in the wreck of the Otranto in October 1918. The remains of these servicemen were later exhumed and returned to America in 1920. An agreement between the Lord High Admiral and the Commissioners also led to the purchase of graves in Glenalina for the members of the Navel Forces and their relations." Bill Hazelton Memphis -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of unschool@swfla.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:56 PM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Glenalina Cemetery Does anyone have any information on a Glenalina Cemetery in Belfast? It is listed on my great-grandmother's death certificate (1957) and I would like to request records. I can't find a single source for it online....only Belfast City cemetery. Thank you! Eireann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've heard the phrase, "I'll have an Irish", used in television drama when drinks are being ordered. I presume they meant whiskey :) Nevin

Peggy [and Cliff], At Robert Johnston is: "Seven Towns of Brookhill". About the bribery, I read "Objected to for want of Freehold - Bribery oath demanded by an elector, Jas. Ferguson, Refused by the Deputy XXXX to be ?Admin.?". David On Feb 14, 2007, at 11:28 AM, Peggy Gordon wrote: > > Hi David, > I had a look at Robert Johnston and can't make out the word in > front of > Town of......Also, wonder what is happening with the reference to > bribery. > Who is being accused? Robert? Or is he accusing someone else? > Thanks for any input. > Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Bartley" <dbartley@eos.net> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:41 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Johnstons [and Logans, Boyds,and > Bartleys = > Barclays] > > >> Deb and Peggy [and Mike as well], >> >> Also, maybe you are familiar with a possibly relevant Freeholders >> List - Deputy Check Book for County Antrim, 1776, which you can see >> here: >> >> http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f277/davidbartley/ >> Free1776Antrim.gif >> >> In addition to Robert Barclay there are: Isaac Loggan, Robert >> Johnston, and Robert Boyd. >> >> David >> >> >> On Feb 14, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Peggy Gordon wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Deb, >>> I would be interested as well as my James Johnston is from Co. >>> Antrim, as >>> per his death registration. Don;t have more information than that, >>> and I >>> sometimes wonder if he had a prior marriage than the one to >>> Margaret Jane >>> Groves. >>> Thanks >>> Peggy >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <OLeoghain@aol.com> >>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 6:48 AM >>> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Johnstons >>> >>> >>>> Cliff, I just returned from County Antrim - Broughshane and its >>>> environs >>> to >>>> be specific, and there are Johnstons galore in the 1st Broughshane >>>> Presbyterian Church yard. Quite a few in Ahoghill, too. I >>>> photographed >>> some of them as my >>>> Marth Logan married James Johnston from Antrim. >>>> When I get the film back, will post the pictures. >>>> Deb Logan >>>> Pittsburgh >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> -- >>> ---------- >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Deb: Would this James Johnson have been in Franklin Co., Pa. in the early 1700's? Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Johnstons > Deb, > > Well, you certainly got my attention!!! Many thanks, and I'm looking > forward to seeing the pics. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <OLeoghain@aol.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:48 AM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Johnstons > > >> Cliff, I just returned from County Antrim - Broughshane and its environs >> to >> be specific, and there are Johnstons galore in the 1st Broughshane >> Presbyterian Church yard. Quite a few in Ahoghill, too. I photographed >> some of them as my >> Marth Logan married James Johnston from Antrim. >> When I get the film back, will post the pictures. >> Deb Logan >> Pittsburgh >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >