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Hi Mike If you google "capt hugh boyd antrim" you will see a link to innishowen. It's a transcript from "300 years in innishowen" by Amy Young that was posted at rootsweb in 2001. In the writeup, there is mention of Capt Hugh Boyd and his wife Margt Rowan (conflicting b. & d. dates, of course). But, it does say that the inscription at the chancel of the church lists several sons and daughters, though they are not listed in this transcript. Also that a family in Dublin has a portrait of Capt Hugh. Also that Hugh was the son of William of Clontifinan. Hope that's progress for you Rick Hutton ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 -------Original Message------- From: Mike Boyd Date: 2/13/2010 7:17:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Captain Hugh Boyd (died 1731) and Margaret Rowan -both buried old Dunaghy graveyard, Clough In the book The Story of St. Patrick's Church, Coleraine, Its History, Heraldry, Sculptured Stones, Stained Glass, Old Families and Alliances, Architecture and Traditions, Sam Henry, about 1941, pait has:- "Other Boyds (apart from the Ballycastle branch, whose story would take too long and who are not immediate relatives (a) of the Route family) are found at Clough. In Dunaghy old graveyard there is a headstone, enclosed by a wall, which bears Boyd Arms and reads: Underneath the chancel of the adjoining church church lie the remains of Captain Hugh Boyd, who departed this life 8th March 1731, aged 75; also Margaret Rowan, his wife, who died March 1717, aged 66; also their son Samuel, who died September 1745, aged 45; and their grandson, who died in 1777." Do any member so this list know of any other children to this couple? I estimate that they were married early 1680's and with Samuel Boyd being born in about 1700, this would make him about their 7 to 10 child.

I have just realized that for some time the search engine I am using in the IGP Archives was skipping a lot of counties. My own fault. I had set up something incorrectly. If you relied on the search engine, then I would ask that you retry your search. There is a lot on the site that was being missed. I am so sorry. I should have realized something was wrong sooner. When I did my monthly search for new data, I became suspicious since counties were not showing up that I knew that had added pages. The url to start is http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ You can search using the drop down box to search your county of interest. Christina the chagrined http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/

My recommendation on paying to view Scottish census records is avoid Ancestry, which only summarizes the information. They do not show the census forms and are incomplete. I photocopied some census records while in Lanarkshire and their summary is missing on Ancestry. djm

Would any of the shipping companies have kept records of who the pasengers were for each trip to both Scotland and England? If so, where might these records be today, as many of these lines would no longer be in operation? Mike Boyd Brisbane, Aust.

Liz, You're going to need some specifics and you may need to pay to view Scottish Census records. I'd try to find each family on 1861, 1871 or 1881 Scottish Census on Ancestry or Scotland's People. What you are looking for is names, ages and birthplaces (hoping that somewhere this is more than just Ireland) Until we get some specifics, it's like a needle in a haystack. Peter in Sydney

Liz What 1861 Census have you looked at for Scotland? And what was the families occupation in Ireland. I understand that quite a number of Irish went to the Ardrossan and Stevenston area and I would not be at all surprised if they did not go to the coal mines east of Kilmarnock as well for work. Then you have the industrial area of Glasgow. Oh when did you pick them up in Scotland and where? Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:48 PM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] irish moving to Scotlands > > hello everyone > would anyone be able to help me trace the Ashwoods and Coyle's,Drummonds,I > have underlined Coyles because it could have been wrote down as Kyle's > leaving Ireland and arriving in Scotland,somewhere around the 1860 > I have tried so hard and I am sad to say feel I am loosing heart > I have to admit at 79 I find it very hard > regards > Liz Hamilton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Dianne, I wrote John 1856 not 1865. He's in both 1871 & 1881 census. You really have to work to milk every ounce of information out of these records. I presume you've used census records other than the free 1881 at Family Search. If you don't have an Ancestry subscription, they may be available at a local library or FHS centre. Otherwise you can pay per view at sites like Find My Past. My guess is that Margaret was still alive in 1901 and possibly 1911. You should check those census records for additional information. The IFHF website has an 1855 marriage in Co Antrim for Hugh Heaney. Unfortunately, I can't tell you the bride because it's a pay site and would cost five pounds. Besides, as a professional researcher, there is only so much help that I can offer free of charge. A detailed answer to a tricky list posting does not come without a deal of research and looking up BDM, census and similar records. And most of the time, we are starting from scratch. Peter

Hi again Peter Have found one Cosgrove birth of Alice Jane in Auckland 1872 that seems to fit but I don't think Margaret and John Cosgrove were married though by the looks of it. Dianna

Hi Peter Thanks for that, it's a confusing lot isn't it. When you say Census indicates they had John in 1865 which census is it you are referring to and how can I view this thanks. I couldn't find a marriage for Margaret, I looked under Heany etc which is both her maiden name and married name. Why the name goes from Cormick, Cosgrove the only thing I can suggest is that John anglisced his name don't know only guessing. And seeing as some of the kids were called Heaney even after Hugh died I think it may have been a mistake and assumption perhaps by the person taking down the particulars?? Again only a stab in the dark. I tried to find births census etc. on Freebdm for Cosgrove, Cormick, McCormick for the children but had no luck of . It makes things very difficult with all these variants of names etc. I even looked for the Heaney's/Haneys on FreeCen and nothing came up and I know they were there because someone else kindly sent me that information. So I'm here still scratching my head and hoping someone can give me a bit more information from Spennymoor where Hugh senior died. Anyway thanks again Dianna

Dianna, I think you've a bit more work to do or you've failed to include all you know. There's a few red herrings in there. But your original question about Irish migration to England c1865 is quite valid, although I think you probably know all the children. Hugh Haney looks to have married Margaret c1855 in Ireland. Census indicates they had John 1856, William 1859 and James 1862 in Ireland, before migrating to England, where Hugh is born c1865. I can't find this on FreeBMD. You say father Hugh died in 1867. It looks like Margaret then married John Cosgrove. Then it gets tricky. I can't find the marriage. Then there is a son Francis born c1868. I can't find the birth registration. Just who is the father might be in question. Was Margaret pregnant to Hugh when he died, or is her new husband John the father. In 1871, they are living at Whitworth in Durham. The first four children are shown as Heaney, and Francis aged 2 is shown as Cosgrove. Then it twists again. Two more children Alice 1872 and Joseph 1875 are born. But in 1881, the husband is shown as John Cormick and all seven children are listed as Heaney. By 1891, the surname is back to Cosgrove. Only Alice and Joseph are still with parents and shown as Cosgrove. It shows the benefits of checking more than one census year and cross checking census data with FreeBMD. Unfortunately, in all that, there is no indication of which county in Ireland they originated from. For the possibility of that information I refer you to the IFHF pay website http://www.irish-roots.ie/ Alternatively, if you can find the second marriage of Margaret or any of the birth registrations of the children born in England, it may show her origins. But you run the risk of it simply being shown as Ireland. You could also see if anything shows in 1901 or 1911 if she was still alive. Peter

Hi Peter Thanks for your reply. No the family are Irish, they went to England I think around 1863 to 1864. Their son James was born in Ireland and there son Hugh was born in Spennymoor, Durham England. It seems as though Hugh senior has died in 1867 and his wife Margaret has remarried as she appears on the 1871 Census and as the family were in Ireland in 1861 I don't think there is anything I can check there. My guess is he could have been a coal miner not sure though. There is one Hugh Haney who died in Spennymoor, Durham age fits with his birth about 1833, and his son Hugh was born in Spennymoor so I just put two and two together. So in 1861 they were in Ireland and in 1871 they were in England seems as though they stayed on in England from then by all the census's I have checked. Kind regards Dianna

David I would start with the English Census for London. I assume that there was a Catholic church in or near the St. Giles, near Oxford Street area of London, so you may wish to contact the Catholic Archbishop's Office in Westminster to see if they can point you right church or where the records might be held these days. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bartley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Irish emigrants to England > Dianna, > > You probably know that in the 18th Century there was a steady flux of the > poor from Ireland into London. An Irish colony of emigrants developed in > the London district, St. Giles, near Oxford Street. I think it became > quite a slum. By the end of the 18th Century, Irish-born were living in > most parts of London. I don't know how to search though; I would like to > find out. > > David > > > > On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:51 PM, dianna charles wrote: > >> Hi >> Are there any records that can be searched for family leaving Ireland >> around 1863/64 to England my Haney/Heaney family moved to Ireland in the >> early 1860's there son Hugh was born in England in 1864/65 and the son >> before him was born in Ireland 1863. Any help much appreciated regards >> Dianna >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hello everyone would anyone be able to help me trace the Ashwoods and Coyle's,Drummonds,I have underlined Coyles because it could have been wrote down as Kyle's leaving Ireland and arriving in Scotland,somewhere around the 1860 I have tried so hard and I am sad to say feel I am loosing heart I have to admit at 79 I find it very hard regards Liz Hamilton

Mike, There is St. Giles in the Field that dominates this area of London---part of the Church of England. I've tried searching records at the London Metropolitan Archives which covers this district. However, the records are entirely disorganized. You'd have to live in London for a month to research. Of course, there are probably experts who could be hired. The reason I'm interested is that I've found a distant DNA cousin (surname Barkley) with ancestry (1759) from London, whereas my immediate ancestors arrived from N. Ireland around 1800. Thanks, David On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:14 PM, Mike Boyd wrote: > David > I would start with the English Census for London. > > I assume that there was a Catholic church in or near the St. Giles, near > Oxford Street area of London, so you may wish to contact the Catholic > Archbishop's Office in Westminster to see if they can point you right church > or where the records might be held these days. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Bartley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:50 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Irish emigrants to England > > >> Dianna, >> >> You probably know that in the 18th Century there was a steady flux of the >> poor from Ireland into London. An Irish colony of emigrants developed in >> the London district, St. Giles, near Oxford Street. I think it became >> quite a slum. By the end of the 18th Century, Irish-born were living in >> most parts of London. I don't know how to search though; I would like to >> find out. >> >> David >> >> >> >> On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:51 PM, dianna charles wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> Are there any records that can be searched for family leaving Ireland >>> around 1863/64 to England my Haney/Heaney family moved to Ireland in the >>> early 1860's there son Hugh was born in England in 1864/65 and the son >>> before him was born in Ireland 1863. Any help much appreciated regards >>> Dianna >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dianna, Are the family English or Irish? It sounds like one son was born on a trip or short term stay in Ireland. Some clues may be in the occupation of the father. Was he a mariner or soldier for example? If they went to Ireland and back, the name of the ship seems of little consequence. I'd list out family members and where they were in 1861 and 1871 census. As for Antrim births try http://www.irish-roots.ie/ Peter in Sydney

Hi I'm trying to find the birth of Hugh HEANEY b Co. Antrim in 1833. Any help much appreciated regards Dianna

Hi Are there any records that can be searched for family leaving Ireland around 1863/64 to England my Haney/Heaney family moved to Ireland in the early 1860's there son Hugh was born in England in 1864/65 and the son before him was born in Ireland 1863. Any help much appreciated regards Dianna

Dianna, You probably know that in the 18th Century there was a steady flux of the poor from Ireland into London. An Irish colony of emigrants developed in the London district, St. Giles, near Oxford Street. I think it became quite a slum. By the end of the 18th Century, Irish-born were living in most parts of London. I don't know how to search though; I would like to find out. David On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:51 PM, dianna charles wrote: > Hi > Are there any records that can be searched for family leaving Ireland > around 1863/64 to England my Haney/Heaney family moved to Ireland in the > early 1860's there son Hugh was born in England in 1864/65 and the son > before him was born in Ireland 1863. Any help much appreciated regards > Dianna > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message