Mary; I don't know if they are still avaiable but years ago I got townland maps for areas just north of Loughguile. These were in the form of an outline of a parish with the townlands in patchwork within the outline. I got them from the local Mormon Family History Centre. - If you have a Centre near you you could ask about them. Alternatively, you try the PRONI site - last time I looked, quite a while ago, their TL maps were not all labelled. A large city library with a genealogy section might be worth a try also. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "marmoto" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:17 PM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Historic townland maps Hello, I will be in County Antrim in a few weeks exploring places my ancestors, The McCrubb's lived prior to immigrating to the US in the late 1830's. On the 1803 agricultural census I have found them living in Corkey and Balleyweany, in Loughghile , County Antrim, but have not been able to get any more specific locations. I was unable to locate any church records (RC) or specific sites where they lived. I am interested in at least seeing the general area. Does anyone have an idea of what would be the best resource for detailed townland maps (this is my first trip to Ireland). I have seen some websites that you can download historic maps from but I am wondering if I should wait and pick one up in Ireland. Any other ideas and suggestions would be welcomed. Sincerely, Mary Yamamoto

Mary, If you want to see the type of townland map Bob is talking about have a look at the following site - of course these are for Co. Down and not Co. Antrim. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/MAPS/CoDownParishes.htm Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Kane" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Historic townland maps > Mary; > > I don't know if they are still avaiable but years ago I got > townland maps for areas just north of Loughguile. > These were in the form of an outline of a parish with the > townlands in patchwork within the outline. I got them from the > local Mormon Family History Centre. - If you have a Centre > near you you could ask about them. > > Alternatively, you try the PRONI site - last time I looked, > quite a while ago, their TL maps were not all labelled. > > A large city library with a genealogy section might be worth a > try also. > > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marmoto" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:17 PM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Historic townland maps > > > Hello, > > I will be in County Antrim in a few weeks exploring places my > ancestors, The McCrubb's lived prior to immigrating to the > US in > the late 1830's. On the 1803 agricultural census I have found > them > living in Corkey and Balleyweany, in Loughghile , County > Antrim, but > have not been able to get any more specific locations. I was > unable > to locate any church records (RC) or specific sites where > they > lived. I am interested in at least seeing the general area. > Does > anyone have an idea of what would be the best resource for > detailed > townland maps (this is my first trip to Ireland). I have > seen some > websites that you can download historic maps from but I am > wondering > if I should wait and pick one up in Ireland. Any other ideas > and > suggestions would be welcomed. > > Sincerely, > > Mary Yamamoto > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary You will need to go to the Local Studies Library at Ballymena. It is up stairs. Where will you be staying. I have not been to Loughguile but just looking at the tourist accomodation book, I think you will need to stay at Ballycastle or Ballymena. Both have an Tourist Office. You will need to add a extra day to what you think you will need in Ballymena - from my experience - as you never cover all that you need to in the time you have . You will need to do as much research before you leave, so you can write down questions you need answers for. Is there a Roman Catholic Church site that may tell you where Church are or where. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "marmoto" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 12:17 PM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Historic townland maps > Hello, > > I will be in County Antrim in a few weeks exploring places my > ancestors, The McCrubb's lived prior to immigrating to the US in > the late 1830's. On the 1803 agricultural census I have found them > living in Corkey and Balleyweany, in Loughghile , County Antrim, but > have not been able to get any more specific locations. I was unable > to locate any church records (RC) or specific sites where they > lived. I am interested in at least seeing the general area. Does > anyone have an idea of what would be the best resource for detailed > townland maps (this is my first trip to Ireland). I have seen some > websites that you can download historic maps from but I am wondering > if I should wait and pick one up in Ireland. Any other ideas and > suggestions would be welcomed. > > Sincerely, > > Mary Yamamoto > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Mary, Is is just a townland map you need? I can send you an A4 size colour scan of the OS 6" map of Loughgile drawn up in 1834. Would that surfice? best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > > Hello, > > I will be in County Antrim in a few weeks exploring places my > ancestors, The McCrubb's lived prior to immigrating to the US in > the late 1830's. On the 1803 agricultural census I have found them > living in Corkey and Balleyweany, in Loughghile , County Antrim, but > have not been able to get any more specific locations. I was unable > to locate any church records (RC) or specific sites where they > lived. I am interested in at least seeing the general area. Does > anyone have an idea of what would be the best resource for detailed > townland maps (this is my first trip to Ireland). I have seen some > websites that you can download historic maps from but I am wondering > if I should wait and pick one up in Ireland. Any other ideas and > suggestions would be welcomed. > _________________________________________________________________ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

The Ordnance Survey has a series of largescale maps with most townlands named, though I don't think the boundaries are marked. Maybe they are, but anyway the name is placed where the townland lies. They are Landranger maps, available in bookshops in NI and I'm sure also online. Old maps are available in local studies sections of libraries. You might also find reprints of old maps available in bigger bookshops or antiquarian bookshops. Also see http://expertgenealogy.com/?x=irishmaps There are many bed and breakfasts available in the Loughguile area; see for instance http://www.discovernorthernireland.com/accomfinder/product.aspx?ProductID=7337 and a full list at http://www.northantrim.com/northantrimbedandbreakfast.htm Linde

Hello, I will be in County Antrim in a few weeks exploring places my ancestors, The McCrubb's lived prior to immigrating to the US in the late 1830's. On the 1803 agricultural census I have found them living in Corkey and Balleyweany, in Loughghile , County Antrim, but have not been able to get any more specific locations. I was unable to locate any church records (RC) or specific sites where they lived. I am interested in at least seeing the general area. Does anyone have an idea of what would be the best resource for detailed townland maps (this is my first trip to Ireland). I have seen some websites that you can download historic maps from but I am wondering if I should wait and pick one up in Ireland. Any other ideas and suggestions would be welcomed. Sincerely, Mary Yamamoto

Forgive me if I'm covering old ground. There are two Carnmoney's - one a city, one a parish. So, saying you're from Carnmoney could mean either. Griffith's Valuation (1861-1862) shows the following in the Parish of Carnmoney: Templeton James Jordanstown Carnmoney Antrim Templeton Mary Monkstown Carnmoney Antrim Templeton Robert Croghfern Carnmoney Antrim Templeton Samuel Jordanstown Carnmoney Antrim Templeton William Monkstown Carnmoney Antrim The Ordnance Survey Memoirs were done beginning in the mid 1830s. (More detail below) Depending upon who did the Memoir for a particular area, some are limited to one page, others much larger. Carnmoney has 1,000 pages. The history of that area should be fairly detailed, tho I've not seen it. What's below is out of the Ulster Historical Foundation site: http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php?ai_books More than worth trying to locate the one for Carnmoney. It's possible that this has been filmed by the LDS LIBRARY. The Ordnance Survey Memoirs Institute of Irish Studies, QUB   The Ordnance Survey Memoirs are a unique source for the history of the northern half of Ireland before the Great Famine, as they document the landscape and situation, buildings and antiquities, land-holdings and population, employment and livelihoods of the parishes. The surveyors recorded the habits of the people, their food, drink, dress and customs. Useful genealogical information can also be found. For many parishes in counties Antrim and Londonderry there are lists of emigrants from the 1830s. Recordings of gravestone in scriptions are also occasionally given. At the time the original Memoirs only one volume was ever published: that for the parish of Templemore (including the city of Derry), County Londonderry. In the 1990s the remaining Memoirs were published in 40 volumes by the Institute of Irish Studies at Queen’s University Belfast. A massive index running to over 100,000 entries for people and places has also been published. For more information on the areas covered and how the volumes may be ordered visit our website

Carnmoney Presbyterian Church might contain records of Templeton family. My Susan Templeton m Sam Giffen Leeburn 1847 in Carnmoney. Terence in Nebraska In a message dated 3/8/2010 08:07:31 Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Pat, I'm afraid I have no other information about Templetons in the area. I'm trying to connect Henry's ancestors with my ancestors who came from the same area. Good luck with your searches. Sheryl -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat Lamont Sent: 2010-03-07 1:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] templeton Sheryl, I am interested in the parish you mention for Henry Doole and Elizabeth Templeton. Were there many families of Templetons living there in the early 1800s? I have a Mary Templeton, father James born 1811. I have not been able to find her christening record. She married Edward Scott Hagan in Carrickfergus. Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat, I'm afraid I have no other information about Templetons in the area. I'm trying to connect Henry's ancestors with my ancestors who came from the same area. Good luck with your searches. Sheryl -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pat Lamont Sent: 2010-03-07 1:13 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] templeton Sheryl, I am interested in the parish you mention for Henry Doole and Elizabeth Templeton. Were there many families of Templetons living there in the early 1800s? I have a Mary Templeton, father James born 1811. I have not been able to find her christening record. She married Edward Scott Hagan in Carrickfergus. Pat ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sheryl, I am interested in the parish you mention for Henry Doole and Elizabeth Templeton. Were there many families of Templetons living there in the early 1800s? I have a Mary Templeton, father James born 1811. I have not been able to find her christening record. She married Edward Scott Hagan in Carrickfergus. Pat

I'm looking for descendents of Henry Doole, son of John Doole (died 1906, buried in Templemoyle Buring Ground, Templebridge, Artrim, Ireland) and Elizabeth Templeton (born 2 Aug. 1833 in Ardnaglass, Ballyscullion, Antrim, Ireland; died 23 August, 1919). Henry was born in 1863 and baptised on 20 Oct. 1863, in Grange Presbyterian Church, Toomebridge, Antrim, Ireland.

Mary, Try this and see if this is what you need. Start with http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/antrimrc.htm Then click on 'Dunloy'. Under the Catholic Parish info, in small print, you will see 'click HERE for a listings of placenames within this parish.' Click on 'here'. You will then see the civil parish name of Killagan, then click on it. You will then see the townland of Loughill. This might be what you are looking for. If not, try playing around with the original RC parish map, until you find what you need. Good luck. Mary Elizabeth RESEARCHING: McKernan/McKiernan in Co. Antrim and Co. Leitrim; McAllister in Co. Antrim; Muldowney in Co. Kilkenny; and Kearney in Co. Louth

Hi Mary You might have a look at Murry Lynn's site for a map of Co Antrim RC parishes. http://family.kiwicelts.com I have a book that states that the civil parish of Killagan was partly in the RC parish of Braid and part in Dunloy. Murray shows an actual RC parish of Loughguile. It may depend on the time in history that is being researched, in your case 1830s. You can contact Murray for clarification Good luck Rick Hutton ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -------Original Message------- From: marmoto Date: 3/6/2010 9:59:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] R.C. PARISH FOR KILLAGAN? Hello all, I am trying to locate what Roman Catholic parish the townland of Loughhill in the Civil Parish of Killagan is in. The townland name is from 1830-I am researching the McCrubb family. There seems to be three possibilities: Connor, Dunloy or Finvoy--I am having trouble narrowing it down. Thank you! Mary Yamamoto ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2726 - Release Date: 03/06/10 07:39:00

Hello all, I am trying to locate what Roman Catholic parish the townland of Loughhill in the Civil Parish of Killagan is in. The townland name is from 1830-I am researching the McCrubb family. There seems to be three possibilities: Connor, Dunloy or Finvoy--I am having trouble narrowing it down. Thank you! Mary Yamamoto

Hello all, On my ancestor Alexander McCrubb's tombstone it reads that he was born in 1834 in Loch Geal, County Antrim, Ireland. I can find no such place but I suspect it is Loughghile. Do any of you have any other ideas of other places it might be? Thank you, Mary

Robert, I'm sure Ivy thanks you for your added response. Google has it Armagh, and Wikipedia says near Armagh town of Lurgan. So you'll excuse a poor boy from Down Under. Looks like on of those situations where either the border has changed regularly or it depends which side of the street you're on. My advice to Ivy is to check both counties when looking for BDM data. At least we have given her the corrected spelling. She should be able to find it on any map from there. Just watch those narrow roads when driving around Ireland. Peter

Norman I have just tried to send a letter to you on [email protected] but it has bounced. Can you advise what your new Email address is please? Thank you Mike Boyd Brisbane

Ivy, Looking at Google maps, the correct spelling of the place looks to be Aghagallon in County Armagh. Try that on Google maps to see the exact location. Then try Google for "Parishes in Armagh". It should bring up the Irish Times website, but this may only show Catholic Parishes. You could also look at Genuki to see all the various resources available for Armagh. For BDM type data, you could see what's available at http://www.irish-roots.ie/ It's a pay site, but you can register and search for free. Just click on the map and then on Armagh to search. I've used it with good effect for Antrim. Another place to look is the LDS site, Family Search. Have a look what they have in their pilot program under the Search option. Also search their library catalogue for Aghagallon. It will show what fiche or film you may be able to order through your local LDS centre. Peter in Sydney

Peter and Robert, Yes, I do thank you both for the location information. Regardless of whether borders changed or not, I see it as a good idea to check both counties. People don't usually bother too much about borders when doing business, finding work or romance, etc. I have mostly looked in Antrim, so Armagh gives me a new place to go. Also, thank you Peter for all the other tips. That should keep me busy for awhile. Ivy

Hello Peter, The Parish of Aghagallon is in County Antrim although on the Armagh border. The closest towns in Armagh are Lurgan and Moira, the closest in Antrim are Lisburn and Crumlin Here is a link to an 1834 map of County Antrim http://www.ulsterancestry.com/Map-Antrim.html You will find Aghagallon down at the extreme right hand corner of Lough Neagh. best regards Robert > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:58:59 +1100 > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Brigan, Breakins, Braddin and Quin > > Ivy, > > Looking at Google maps, the correct spelling of the place looks to be > Aghagallon in County Armagh. Try that on Google maps to see the exact > location. > > Then try Google for "Parishes in Armagh". It should bring up the Irish > Times website, but this may only show Catholic Parishes. > > You could also look at Genuki to see all the various resources available > for Armagh. > > For BDM type data, you could see what's available at > http://www.irish-roots.ie/ It's a pay site, but you can register and > search for free. Just click on the map and then on Armagh to search. I've > used it with good effect for Antrim. > > Another place to look is the LDS site, Family Search. > Have a look what they have in their pilot program under the Search option. > Also search their library catalogue for Aghagallon. It will show what fiche > or film you may be able to order through your local LDS centre. > > Peter in Sydney > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/