Maree What spelling variations have you looked at in the shipping records of NZ for McFall? That may be one reason that you have not found the children? Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maree Bowen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Maggie McFall > Hi Peter, > > Thanks for the web addresses, have looked at the family search but no luck > apart from John arriving in 1891 on the ship "Aorangi", which I did have. > The Irish Family History Foundation has Maggie McFall in marriage and > death records, but I would want to be sure I have the right one before > parting out. Was hoping that maybe that Maggie married and there are > descendants out there and maybe still in Ireland. > > According to death certs as to how long lived in N.Z., Edward and Margaret > McFALL came out about 1884/1885 but have not been able to find them on > shipping lists. > Edward died in 1889 and was living alone so the family had split up. > > Anne had come to N.Z. then went back to Ireland and married Robert Gordon > in 1893, Larne, Ireland, had 4 children. Found them on 1901 census, they > then come out as a family in 1909 ship "McLaughlan". > Ellen married in N.Z. and died in 1912 (according to death details she had > lived in N.Z. about 20 years). > Have not been able to find the rest of family on shipping lists, so > presume they came out with parents. I have info. of marriages and deaths > etc here in New Zealand. > > Maree > Timaru > NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maree, Details of arrivals in NZ would be a big help. You don't say when or if parents brought the entire family, or they all migrated as adults. If parents and any younger children migrated before 1875 for example, one would assume Maggie died, as she would be only 13. Conversely, if migration was after 1885, she would most likely be married. Dates of deaths of parents may also be helpful. As the eldest child, she would probably be called on to look after her parents, so may not marry or leave home until after their deaths. Having said all the, civil registration in Ireland started 1864. So those records should be available. Try http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#r=5;p=allCollections http://fsbeta.familysearch.org/s/collection/list http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/ (PAY site but Free Search) If any family were still in Ireland at the time you might also check free 1901 and 1911 Irish census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ Peter in Sydney

Looking for information on Maggie McFALL born 1 August 1864 at Carrickfergus, Antrim. Did she marry? Did she die young? Did she move away?? Her parents were Edward McFALL and Margaret LYLE who were married at the Presbyterian Meeting House, Raloo on 6 January 1862. Maggie had siblings, John, Anne, Ellen, Edward, James, Georgina, William, Thomas and Charles. Edward, Margaret and the rest of the family at different times came out to New Zealand where they are all buried. Maggie is my brick wall, what happened to her?? Any help would be appreciated. Maree

Can you identify what it is you want a copy of? There are several of us "Linda's" on the list, all of whom have offered copies of something from time to time. Linda from WA

Hi Linda, I would also very much appreciate a copy. Many thanks! Alice Cochrane [email protected]

Nancy Froma website that I was sent some years ago, it has four columns Surname; First name Parish/Barony County So this would suggest it MAY BE THE PARISH OF BALLYMONEY. You may need to contact the Ballymoney Council to see if they have that townland or a name that mihgt be similar. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy C" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] RAMSEY , MASON, GIBSON and EWEING "Ballyholly",Antrim Many thanks to all who responded. Gleened some good suggestions, sites and alternate townland possiblilities.Meanwhile,a new clue has been unearthed....the RAMSEY family grew flax according to the letter written in 1775. My friend even had an actual Irish spinning wheel which was handed down through his mother's line--he donated it to a local museum 2 years ago. I checked the Flaxgrowers List of 1796 and did find a Wm RAMSEY listed in Ballymoney....now would that be the townland or the parish? Again, Much appreciated, Nancy --- On Wed, 7/14/10, John Montgomery <[email protected]> wrote: From: John Montgomery <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] RAMSEY , MASON, GIBSON and EWEING "Ballyholly", Antrim To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 11:36 AM You might be looking for Ballybogey, this is a village north of Ballymoney or alternatively Ballyboley which is a townland between Ballymena and Larne. I suggest you look at http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html . Along the top below adds by google select from each dropdown list From "County", select a county insert "Antrim", townland select either of the above. You will see exactly where each place is. If you have any problems please contact me direct. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy C Sent: 14 July 2010 19:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] RAMSEY , MASON, GIBSON and EWEING "Ballyholly", Antrim Good Day, I am assisting a friend in solving a mystery re the townland for a Samuel RAMSEY who was known to have been in America in 1775. A type-written transcription of an old letter dated Sept 5 1775 is in his possession--the original has long been lost. The letter is from Samuel's father who is also named Samuel---"Ballyholly, Antrim" is noted before the date. Seanraud does not note any townland in Antrim with this name. Other names mentioned in this letter are Benjamin MASON and Thomas EWEING and Robert GIBSON. Any ideas on how to proceed would be welcommed. I tried a search of the 1766 Religous census without any luck. Thanks, Nancy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If I unsubscribe from the digest list will I also be unsubscribed from the list list ? I seem to be getting both - are there different messages on the two different lists ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Email Sent: Friday, 23 April 2010 7:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] IRL-ANTRIM Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 Am I confused or did linda post the list in an email? Sent from my iPhone Anne Klintworth On Apr 22, 2010, at 4:57 PM, [email protected] wrote: Hi Linda, Looks like you have a best seller. If it is not too much trouble I would like a copy too please. Ray Jones, Ontario Quoting Ron Wingrove <[email protected]>: Linda I toll would like a copy> thanks for your offer. Elaine [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cliff. Johnston Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] IRL-ANTRIM Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 Linda, Ditto on wanting and appreciating a copy. Thank you :-) Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Adles" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] IRL-ANTRIM Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 I would appreciate a copy. Thank you. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 5:35 AM, Ronald Chesney <[email protected]>wrote: hi Linda I would like a copy of the list Thanks Ron Chesney ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:07:49 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Adam Boyd- Ballymena or Ballymoney To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" One of the files at PRONI is the Adair family archives. Originals are held at the Suffolk Record Office, Lowestoft Branch in England. The indexes have been filmed by the LDS Library on FHL BRITISH Film 258761. I was so excited when I found the file, I closed my eyes and asked that the entire file be photocopied. :D $55 later and I took the file home. While the main focus of the files are the Adair family, quite a large section is devoted to rentals they had in the Ballymena area 1600 - 1700's. Listings in those indexes can include 3 generations of family. It takes mass time to go through these indexes because there is no order to the way they are listed but the payoff can be fantastic. Worth the time to do some research there. The items included are fairly long but I will email that list to anyone who is interested. Linda Linda No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2827 - Release Date: 04/22/10 04:31:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2827 - Release Date: 04/22/10 04:31:00

Many thanks to all who responded.  Gleened some good suggestions, sites and alternate townland possiblilities.Meanwhile,a new clue has been unearthed....the RAMSEY family grew flax according to the letter written in 1775.  My friend even had an actual Irish spinning wheel which was handed down through his mother's line--he donated it to a local museum 2 years ago.  I checked the Flaxgrowers List of 1796 and did find a Wm RAMSEY listed in Ballymoney....now would that be the townland or the parish?   Again, Much appreciated, Nancy   --- On Wed, 7/14/10, John Montgomery <[email protected]> wrote: From: John Montgomery <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] RAMSEY , MASON, GIBSON and EWEING "Ballyholly", Antrim To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 11:36 AM You might be looking for Ballybogey, this is a village north of Ballymoney or alternatively Ballyboley which is a townland between Ballymena and Larne. I suggest you look at http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html . Along the top below adds by google select from each dropdown list From "County", select a county insert "Antrim", townland select either of the above. You will see exactly where each place is. If you have any problems please contact me direct. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy C Sent: 14 July 2010 19:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] RAMSEY , MASON, GIBSON and EWEING "Ballyholly", Antrim Good Day, I am assisting a friend in solving a mystery re the townland for a Samuel RAMSEY who was known to have been in America in 1775. A type-written transcription of an old letter dated Sept 5 1775 is in his possession--the original has long been lost.  The letter is from Samuel's father who is also named Samuel---"Ballyholly, Antrim" is noted before the date.  Seanraud does not note any townland in Antrim with this name.  Other names mentioned in this letter are Benjamin MASON and Thomas EWEING and Robert GIBSON. Any ideas on how to proceed would be welcommed.  I tried a search of the 1766 Religous census without any luck. Thanks, Nancy       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy Can you friend come at it from the US end. For example where in 1775 was Samuel Ramsey living - town and County at that time? And what religion was he in 1775. And does the County history for the 1775 location give any indication as to where prople came from to settle in that location before 1775. And was he married and had any children? Perhaps the answers to these question may help to identify which part of Antrim he came from. While you may need to see what alternate words or spellings can be given to "HOLLY" to see if that may match a modern spelling of an current townland. So years ago, when I was getting material form the Ballymena Local Studies Library, I think it was from the 1666 Cencus or hearth tax listing that they had the old spelling listed along with the modern spelling of the townland. So that may also help your friend Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy C" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:16 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] RAMSEY , MASON, GIBSON and EWEING "Ballyholly", Antrim Good Day, I am assisting a friend in solving a mystery re the townland for a Samuel RAMSEY who was known to have been in America in 1775.

Hi - Found this: Ballyholly Cumber Upper Londonderry at this site: http://www.ballynagarrick.net/ulsterancestors/townlands%20b.htm I have Gibson ancestors from the Deer Park area and would be interested in any Gibson information you could share. Pat -----Original Message----- From: Nancy C <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Jul 14, 2010 2:16 pm Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] RAMSEY , MASON, GIBSON and EWEING "Ballyholly", Antrim Good Day, am assisting a friend in solving a mystery re the townland for a Samuel RAMSEY ho was known to have been in America in 1775. A type-written transcription of an old letter dated Sept 5 1775 is in his ossession--the original has long been lost. The letter is from Samuel's father ho is also named Samuel---"Ballyholly, Antrim" is noted before the date. eanraud does not note any townland in Antrim with this name. ther names mentioned in this letter are Benjamin MASON and Thomas EWEING and obert GIBSON. ny ideas on how to proceed would be welcommed. I tried a search of the 1766 eligous census without any luck. hanks, ancy ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

You might be looking for Ballybogey, this is a village north of Ballymoney or alternatively Ballyboley which is a townland between Ballymena and Larne. I suggest you look at http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html . Along the top below adds by google select from each dropdown list From "County", select a county insert "Antrim", townland select either of the above. You will see exactly where each place is. If you have any problems please contact me direct. John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nancy C Sent: 14 July 2010 19:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] RAMSEY , MASON, GIBSON and EWEING "Ballyholly", Antrim Good Day, I am assisting a friend in solving a mystery re the townland for a Samuel RAMSEY who was known to have been in America in 1775. A type-written transcription of an old letter dated Sept 5 1775 is in his possession--the original has long been lost. The letter is from Samuel's father who is also named Samuel---"Ballyholly, Antrim" is noted before the date. Seanraud does not note any townland in Antrim with this name. Other names mentioned in this letter are Benjamin MASON and Thomas EWEING and Robert GIBSON. Any ideas on how to proceed would be welcommed. I tried a search of the 1766 Religous census without any luck. Thanks, Nancy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Day,   I am assisting a friend in solving a mystery re the townland for a Samuel RAMSEY who was known to have been in America in 1775.     A type-written transcription of an old letter dated Sept 5 1775 is in his possession--the original has long been lost.  The letter is from Samuel's father who is also named Samuel---"Ballyholly, Antrim" is noted before the date.  Seanraud does not note any townland in Antrim with this name.    Other names mentioned in this letter are Benjamin MASON and Thomas EWEING and Robert GIBSON.   Any ideas on how to proceed would be welcommed.  I tried a search of the 1766 Religous census without any luck.   Thanks, Nancy

Many thanks Mary, Mavis -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Elizabeth Wagner Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Limnaharry - Ahoghill Try this link: http://www.seanruad.com/ Just put in Co. Antrim and all townland names will come up. The townland you are looking for is listed. Mary Elizabeth --- On Wed, 6/23/10, Mavis Barrett <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Mavis Barrett <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Limnaharry - Ahoghill > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 10:39 PM > My gt gt grandfather (Robert Craig) > was down as a farmer of Limnaharry in > the 1800's, 1825 - 1887.  What sort of farmer would he > be, crops or dairy? > What sort of crops? Agricultural or flax? > > Trying to find some back ground information on Robert & > family. > > Have searched the web for information on Limnaharry, > nothing, has it now > been swallowed up by another village. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Mavis, New Zealand > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks for your help, Mavis from a very wet Whangaparaoa, NZ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Limnaharry - Ahoghill Mavis Limnaharry is about 2 to 3 kms west of Ahoghill. You may need to look for the history of Ahoghill rather than Limnaharry, to see what short of farming was taken place in the early 1800's. It is 386 acres in size, but you may need to look at a Griffith Valuation record. But that will be for the 1860's which will give you a break up of sub-titles within. They could be Flax, grains, potatoes and other food crops plus some livestock like a milking cow, pigs, etc. It is just north of the A42 Raod if you have a good motoring map. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mavis Barrett" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 12:39 PM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Limnaharry - Ahoghill > My gt gt grandfather (Robert Craig) was down as a farmer of Limnaharry in > the 1800's, 1825 - 1887. What sort of farmer would he be, crops or dairy? > What sort of crops? Agricultural or flax? > > Trying to find some back ground information on Robert & family. > > Have searched the web for information on Limnaharry, nothing, has it now > been swallowed up by another village. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Mavis, New Zealand > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Peter, I have looked at some of these sites already The genforum on was great but unfortunately the person who put it in Is no longer at that email address, so I don't know how else to contact them. Leonie

Leonie, Found this which may be of interest if you haven't seen it already. http://genforum.genealogy.com/rainey/messages/2095.html Also this http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/civilparish/index.cfm?fuseaction=GetMap&CityCounty=Antrim It looks like Connor is a civil Parish. I don't know whether people from Scotland would be Catholic or not. There are sites for Catholic and Non Catholic Parish maps, but I can't find them via Google at the moment. They should come up in Genuki. Peter

Leonie, Ireland is complicated because there is so much to know. First you need county, parish and townland, and then you need religion and timeframe. So there's half a dozen websites you have to look at. And to answer your question I'd have to check every one of them. So I'll give you some sites and then it's over to you. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/index.html http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/ireatlas/ http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/ http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=allCollections&r=1 http://fsbeta.familysearch.org/s/collection/list There just isn't a one stop shop. So you need to go through a series of steps. Civil Registration commenced around 1845 for non Catholics and 1864 for Catholics. Before that you're looking at Church records, so you need religion. Then it's a case of if they survived. I'd basically have to check all those sites to answer your question. Unfortunately, nobody is going to go through all that in order to assist. So it's a case of learning the technique unless you want to pay a researcher. And even they can't guarantee results Peter in Sydney

I am hoping someone can help me in the best way to research my Irish Ancestors. In the last 2 weeks I have made a huge breakthrough. I was stuck in Scotland and could not find where my direct ancestor was born. I knew his parents names and could not find the marriage or birth in Scotland. But with closer look at the 1861,71. 81.91 census and obtaining Scottish marriages and deaths and records from the LDS website have been able to piece the puzzle together. As shown below. If anyone can help me with the Irish records. I know I need the marriage of Robert Rainey and Mary O'Neill (her parents are Roger O'Neill and Nancy Mc Nichol) But where do I find it and of their children's births, there could be others too that I don't know of. Is Parish of Connor searchable? I have looked at the Griffith Valuation online and found possible people but I am not sure. The son Roger Rainey was a soldier and I have his details. Mary's father was also a soldier but I did not find his. There was a Tithe Applotment book 1824 - 1837 index on Ancestry of Robert Rainey Antrim, Connor, Ferniskey 1835 Does anyone know of more details for this. I would like to research on Mary O'Neill's side too. 1 David RENNIE/RAINEY (shoemaker) .. +Jane BOYD ..... 2 Robert RENNIE/RAINEY b: 1810 in Parish of Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland ......... +Mary O'NEILL b: 1810 in Parish of Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland m: in Possible Parish Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland d: 1897 in Old Kilpatrick, Dumbarton, Scotland ............3 Roger RENNIE/RAINEY b: 1832 in Parish of Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland +Emma ATKINS m: 1859 in Dover ............ *2nd Wife of Roger RENNIE/RAINEY: ................ +Mary SLOSS m: 1873 in Old Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire, Scotland ............3 David RENNIE/RAINEY b: 1835 in Parish of Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland +Maria LANG m: Abt. 1853 in Antrim, Northern Ireland ............3 Richard RENNIE/RAINEY b: 1837 in Parish of Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland d: 1901 in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia ................ +Elizabeth MUIR m: 1861 in Glasgow Scotland d: 1905 in South Melbourne, Victoria ............3 Matilda RENNIE/RAINEY b: 1840 in Parish of Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland +John BROWN m: 1863 in Old Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire, Scotland ............3 Robert RENNIE/RAINEY b: 1845 in Parish of Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland d: 28 July 1919 in Castle Hill, Victoria, Australia ................ +Sarah COOMB/COOMBE b: 1854 in Gwennapp, Cornwall, Eng m: 1875 in Newstead, Victoria, Australia d: 1894 in Echuica Hospital, Victoria, Australia ............3 Thomas RENNIE/RAINEY b: 1850 in Parish of Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland +Rose Ann BOYD m: 1869 in Old Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire, Scotland ............3 James RENNIE/RAINEY b: 1852 in Parish of Connor, Antrim, Northern Ireland +Mary SPENCE m: 1875 in Old Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire, Scotland ............3 William RENNIE/RAINEY b: Abt. 1861 Thank you Leonie

Desley, You might also check out this and other pages for Dronmore at Raymonds County Down Website http://www.raymondscountydownwebsite.com/html/index2.htm But you need to do some homework to understand the availability. It's not as simple as looking up a 20th century record on NSW BDM or FreeBMD. Those people on "Who Do You Think You Are" have a lot to answer for. A tribe of researchers do the work and the celebrity just turns up. It doesn't work like that. Peter

Desley, The answer will probably be Dublin or possibly Belfast. But it's not that simple. Civil Registration started in 1864, but for non catholics it was 1845. So you need to know religion. If he's catholic, you will be looking at church records, which will be different to civil records. As Mike suggested, it may be easier to look first for his marriage or death. If they are after 1864 there should be a record. Did you check IFHF, Family Search and FSBeta? I'd also look at Genuki. There is a good rundown of available records, where to look, costs and addresses. Peter