I have found the above family on the 1911 census, but cannot locate John Glenn as a 20yr old, born in Ballycairn & presumably single on the 1901 census. Can anyone help me please? Warm Wishes Angela

Sue, Try http://www.rootsireland.ie/ While it's a pay site, searching is free and you only pay for detailed information. Peter

I am trying to gather family information on my great great grandfather Hugh Alexander. He was born in Larne, County Antrim, Ireland in 1827. He came to American in 1846 aboard the ship Wyoming and settled in Wellsville, Ohio. I'm hoping someone on the list can provide information on his parents, etc. I have a picture of his sister, but unfortunately it says Miss Alexander. Thanks in advance for any information or suggestions on how I can learn more about his family. Susan Mansfield Columbus, Ohio USA

Hi to all on the List. Could someone please tell me where I can search for information on Prison staff or persons that may have worked in or for the Prison system during the mid 1800s in Ireland. Any help would be appreciated Kind regards Johnno

Does anyone have either Nancy Craig b 1836, or Isabella Craig b 1838 Limnaharry, Ahoghill, Antrim in their trees. Their parents were Ellen & Robert Craig. I have info on the others in the family but nothing on these two ladies. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Mavis

Hello Susan My John GRAHAM was a labourer. This info is from his daughter's marriage certificate 1858, which also states that the Grahams were living in Claremore, Clogher, County Tyrone. I haven't looked at Griffith's but in the Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838 there are 26 John Grahams listed altogether, including 7 John Grahams in the Parish of Clogher. It is not easy to narrow down the field! I will let you know if I find out anything that may help. Regards Susan Wann Subiaco is the Home of Wembley Ware -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Burton Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 9:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM Dear Susan, I believe my John Grahm family is protestant as well. On William's death (1869 in Kilpatrick, Scotland) certificate it stated that John Graham, b Ireland was his father, now deceased, and no mother was listed, indicating that perhaps there was an earlier marriage and the witness, a brother-in-law, George Blades, could not supply the name. Do you know your John's occupation? Have you looked for him on the Griffiths Valuation? The plot thickens. Susan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Wann Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM Hello Susan B Is it possible that your John Graham born abt.1800, could be the father of my John Graham? Do you know the religion of your Grahams? And do you know the names of any of William Graham's siblings? Regards Susan W Subiaco is the Home of Wembley Ware -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 9:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM Susan You will need to keep a list of all the John Ggraham's in County Tyrone. And then as you find more data put them below the line of possibles for your John Graham Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Burton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > Dear Susan, My John Graham's wife, Elizabeth was born in Antrim. She > married > John Graham (fruiterer) and they lived in Tyrone. There are so many John > Grahams there; I don't know how we will ever sort it out, especially with > so > few records. Thanks for your input. 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Thank you, Susan and likewise! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Wann Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM Hello Susan My John GRAHAM was a labourer. This info is from his daughter's marriage certificate 1858, which also states that the Grahams were living in Claremore, Clogher, County Tyrone. I haven't looked at Griffith's but in the Tithe Applotment Books 1823-1838 there are 26 John Grahams listed altogether, including 7 John Grahams in the Parish of Clogher. It is not easy to narrow down the field! I will let you know if I find out anything that may help. Regards Susan Wann Subiaco is the Home of Wembley Ware -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Burton Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 9:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM Dear Susan, I believe my John Grahm family is protestant as well. On William's death (1869 in Kilpatrick, Scotland) certificate it stated that John Graham, b Ireland was his father, now deceased, and no mother was listed, indicating that perhaps there was an earlier marriage and the witness, a brother-in-law, George Blades, could not supply the name. Do you know your John's occupation? Have you looked for him on the Griffiths Valuation? The plot thickens. Susan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Wann Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM Hello Susan B Is it possible that your John Graham born abt.1800, could be the father of my John Graham? Do you know the religion of your Grahams? And do you know the names of any of William Graham's siblings? Regards Susan W Subiaco is the Home of Wembley Ware -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 9:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM Susan You will need to keep a list of all the John Ggraham's in County Tyrone. And then as you find more data put them below the line of possibles for your John Graham Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Burton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > Dear Susan, My John Graham's wife, Elizabeth was born in Antrim. She > married > John Graham (fruiterer) and they lived in Tyrone. There are so many John > Grahams there; I don't know how we will ever sort it out, especially with > so > few records. Thanks for your input. Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Wann > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > > Hello Susan > You say your GRAHAMs are from Antrim, but you are searching Griffiths > Valuation in Tyrone? > > I have GRAHAM family living in Co Tyrone (Clogher) about 1830s. John > GRAHAM > married Jane MCCLUNG. Known children are Harry, Mary Jane, Catherine, > Margaret born about 1845,and Thomas. I believe they were a protestant > family. > If interested I am happy to share more information. > Regards > Susan > > > Subiaco is the Home of Wembley Ware > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Burton > Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 11:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > > I am new to the list and hoping someone has connections to my GRAHAM > family. > I have John GRAHAM (abt 1800) married to Elizabeth (born Antrim) with > William born abt 1834. William married Ann Blades in 1851 in Cumbernauld, > Dunbarton, Scotland where they raised a family. 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Susan You will need to keep a list of all the John Ggraham's in County Tyrone. And then as you find more data put them below the line of possibles for your John Graham Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Burton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > Dear Susan, My John Graham's wife, Elizabeth was born in Antrim. She > married > John Graham (fruiterer) and they lived in Tyrone. There are so many John > Grahams there; I don't know how we will ever sort it out, especially with > so > few records. Thanks for your input. Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Wann > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > > Hello Susan > You say your GRAHAMs are from Antrim, but you are searching Griffiths > Valuation in Tyrone? > > I have GRAHAM family living in Co Tyrone (Clogher) about 1830s. John > GRAHAM > married Jane MCCLUNG. Known children are Harry, Mary Jane, Catherine, > Margaret born about 1845,and Thomas. I believe they were a protestant > family. > If interested I am happy to share more information. > Regards > Susan > > > Subiaco is the Home of Wembley Ware > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Burton > Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 11:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > > I am new to the list and hoping someone has connections to my GRAHAM > family. > I have John GRAHAM (abt 1800) married to Elizabeth (born Antrim) with > William born abt 1834. William married Ann Blades in 1851 in Cumbernauld, > Dunbarton, Scotland where they raised a family. Recently I found 37 John > GRAHAMS on the Griffith Valuation in Tyrone so I know this is difficult. > Thanks, Susan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3026 - Release Date: 07/25/10 > 18:36:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Susan B Is it possible that your John Graham born abt.1800, could be the father of my John Graham? Do you know the religion of your Grahams? And do you know the names of any of William Graham's siblings? Regards Susan W Subiaco is the Home of Wembley Ware -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 9:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM Susan You will need to keep a list of all the John Ggraham's in County Tyrone. And then as you find more data put them below the line of possibles for your John Graham Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Burton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > Dear Susan, My John Graham's wife, Elizabeth was born in Antrim. She > married > John Graham (fruiterer) and they lived in Tyrone. There are so many John > Grahams there; I don't know how we will ever sort it out, especially with > so > few records. Thanks for your input. Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Wann > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > > Hello Susan > You say your GRAHAMs are from Antrim, but you are searching Griffiths > Valuation in Tyrone? > > I have GRAHAM family living in Co Tyrone (Clogher) about 1830s. John > GRAHAM > married Jane MCCLUNG. Known children are Harry, Mary Jane, Catherine, > Margaret born about 1845,and Thomas. I believe they were a protestant > family. > If interested I am happy to share more information. > Regards > Susan > > > Subiaco is the Home of Wembley Ware > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Burton > Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 11:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > > I am new to the list and hoping someone has connections to my GRAHAM > family. > I have John GRAHAM (abt 1800) married to Elizabeth (born Antrim) with > William born abt 1834. William married Ann Blades in 1851 in Cumbernauld, > Dunbarton, Scotland where they raised a family. Recently I found 37 John > GRAHAMS on the Griffith Valuation in Tyrone so I know this is difficult. > Thanks, Susan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3026 - Release Date: 07/25/10 > 18:36:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Susan, I believe my John Grahm family is protestant as well. On William's death (1869 in Kilpatrick, Scotland) certificate it stated that John Graham, b Ireland was his father, now deceased, and no mother was listed, indicating that perhaps there was an earlier marriage and the witness, a brother-in-law, George Blades, could not supply the name. Do you know your John's occupation? Have you looked for him on the Griffiths Valuation? The plot thickens. Susan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Wann Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:23 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM Hello Susan B Is it possible that your John Graham born abt.1800, could be the father of my John Graham? Do you know the religion of your Grahams? And do you know the names of any of William Graham's siblings? Regards Susan W Subiaco is the Home of Wembley Ware -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 9:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM Susan You will need to keep a list of all the John Ggraham's in County Tyrone. And then as you find more data put them below the line of possibles for your John Graham Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Burton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > Dear Susan, My John Graham's wife, Elizabeth was born in Antrim. She > married > John Graham (fruiterer) and they lived in Tyrone. There are so many John > Grahams there; I don't know how we will ever sort it out, especially with > so > few records. Thanks for your input. Susan > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Wann > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > > Hello Susan > You say your GRAHAMs are from Antrim, but you are searching Griffiths > Valuation in Tyrone? > > I have GRAHAM family living in Co Tyrone (Clogher) about 1830s. John > GRAHAM > married Jane MCCLUNG. Known children are Harry, Mary Jane, Catherine, > Margaret born about 1845,and Thomas. I believe they were a protestant > family. > If interested I am happy to share more information. > Regards > Susan > > > Subiaco is the Home of Wembley Ware > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Burton > Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 11:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM > > I am new to the list and hoping someone has connections to my GRAHAM > family. > I have John GRAHAM (abt 1800) married to Elizabeth (born Antrim) with > William born abt 1834. William married Ann Blades in 1851 in Cumbernauld, > Dunbarton, Scotland where they raised a family. Recently I found 37 John > GRAHAMS on the Griffith Valuation in Tyrone so I know this is difficult. > Thanks, Susan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3026 - Release Date: 07/25/10 > 18:36:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3026 - Release Date: 07/26/10 18:34:00

Dear Susan, My John Graham's wife, Elizabeth was born in Antrim. She married John Graham (fruiterer) and they lived in Tyrone. There are so many John Grahams there; I don't know how we will ever sort it out, especially with so few records. Thanks for your input. Susan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Wann Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM Hello Susan You say your GRAHAMs are from Antrim, but you are searching Griffiths Valuation in Tyrone? I have GRAHAM family living in Co Tyrone (Clogher) about 1830s. John GRAHAM married Jane MCCLUNG. Known children are Harry, Mary Jane, Catherine, Margaret born about 1845,and Thomas. I believe they were a protestant family. If interested I am happy to share more information. Regards Susan Subiaco is the Home of Wembley Ware -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Burton Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 11:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM I am new to the list and hoping someone has connections to my GRAHAM family. I have John GRAHAM (abt 1800) married to Elizabeth (born Antrim) with William born abt 1834. William married Ann Blades in 1851 in Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland where they raised a family. Recently I found 37 John GRAHAMS on the Griffith Valuation in Tyrone so I know this is difficult. Thanks, Susan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3026 - Release Date: 07/25/10 18:36:00

Thanks Peter for your input, I was so stuck on Antrim, was not looking clearly. Next chance I get I will have to order in some films at our local LDS library or have a trip to Christchurch, to look at the indexes for births of the later children and possible marriage of Maggie. I have not been able to locate any indexes on the internet. Edward's occupation was a farmer. I will endeavour to keep searching shipping records. Maree

Hello Susan You say your GRAHAMs are from Antrim, but you are searching Griffiths Valuation in Tyrone? I have GRAHAM family living in Co Tyrone (Clogher) about 1830s. John GRAHAM married Jane MCCLUNG. Known children are Harry, Mary Jane, Catherine, Margaret born about 1845,and Thomas. I believe they were a protestant family. If interested I am happy to share more information. Regards Susan Subiaco is the Home of Wembley Ware -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Burton Sent: Monday, 26 July 2010 11:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] GRAHAM I am new to the list and hoping someone has connections to my GRAHAM family. I have John GRAHAM (abt 1800) married to Elizabeth (born Antrim) with William born abt 1834. William married Ann Blades in 1851 in Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland where they raised a family. Recently I found 37 John GRAHAMS on the Griffith Valuation in Tyrone so I know this is difficult. Thanks, Susan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter The earliest event BDM event is death of Edward McFall died 24 Dec 1889, according to death cert. he lived N.Z. 5 years. Margaret died 26 February 1914, according to death cert. lived N.Z. 29 years, so making their arrival around 1884/1885. Edward and Margaret were Presbyterians and married in the parish of Raloo. Maggie born 1 Aug. 1864, Carrickfergus ( I have looked at many N.Z. records and don't feel that Maggie came to N.Z. unless she was married in Ireland then came out.) John born 28 May 1866, Carrickfergus - on shipping record was a land steward, on his marriage cert. he was a gardener. Married 15 May 1900 N.Z., died 6 Jun 1950 in N.Z.. Anne born 14 Aug. 1868, Carrickfergus, died 1945 Ellen born 26 Jul 1870, Carrickfergus, On intentions to marry Ellen had been in N.Z. 4 years, which would have had her coming out about 1891 Edward born 4 March 1872, Carrickfergus, m. 1904 N.Z., died 3 Oct. 1959 (my grandfather) on death cert. he had lived in N.Z. 75 years, coming out about 1884 James born 1 Feb. 1874, Coolrain, Queens, Ireland, m. 1908, died 1948 Georgina born abt 1876 in Belfast according to first marriage cert.; died in 1942, lived 58 years in N.Z. (also making her come out about 1884) William (according to an old people's home he had been admitted to was born 1 January 1882 in Queens, Ireland) died aged 75 in May 1958 (according to death cert. was born Mountrath, Leix, Eire and lived here 60 years) Not sure who gave this info. for death cert. but I don't think the 60 years is correct!!) Thomas Arthur according to death cert, died 1958, aged 75, so was born about 1883, in Cty. Antrim. Charles according to Army records was born on 8 March 1888 in Ireland, but according to death certificate, Charles died 6 Dec 1949 (death registered 1950), aged 65 which would have him born about 1884 and had lived in N.Z. 50 years which would have him coming out in 1899. To confuse things more on Charles Army records signed 12 September 1917 in the questions and answers, as to how long he had been in N.Z. he answered 28 years How long his father had been in N.Z. 13 years How long his mother had been in N.Z. 26 years So as you can see I have a lot of different variations as to when they may have come out, also information on death certificates can be wrong depending who is giving the info. at the time. William and Charles were both bachelors and my father was named William Charles after them. I have been to Archives in Wellington and checked out shipping to no avail, and have gone through many shipping lists that I have found on the internet. Maree

I am new to the list and hoping someone has connections to my GRAHAM family. I have John GRAHAM (abt 1800) married to Elizabeth (born Antrim) with William born abt 1834. William married Ann Blades in 1851 in Cumbernauld, Dunbarton, Scotland where they raised a family. Recently I found 37 John GRAHAMS on the Griffith Valuation in Tyrone so I know this is difficult. Thanks, Susan

Maree, Sometimes the father preceded the rest of the family to find and prepare a new home. So there is that possibility. But more than likely the parents and younger children came together. Given that parents and the majority of younger children point to an arrival around 1884, I think we can assume that they came together. The key seems to be Charles, but his data is the most misleading of all. I can't believe an 1888 birth in Antrim if his mother was here in 1884. Have you been able to find a birth record that could verify the exact date? I can see Margaret delaying a voyage due to pregnancy, but in that case Edward wouldn't travel with four children under 10. So I'm pretty convinced of the 1884 arrival with at least the six youngest children. The next question is if and when did the four eldest Maggie, John, Ann and Ellen migrate. Your evidence suggests both John and Ann arrived 1891. Your earlier message also suggested Anne was here but returned to Ireland to marry in 1891. Which brings us back to Maggie, which was your original question. When the family left home in 1884 she would be 22 and probably married. Perhaps the others lived with her between 1884 and 1891 while the boys finished and apprenticeship or tour of duty for example. But you've got us looking in the wrong county. By 1874 James is born in Coolrain, Queens and in 1882 William is born in the same county at Mountrath. That's where I think you should be looking. Queens County or Leix is now County Laois. So that were I think I'd be checking for later births and also the marriage of Maggie. You said they were Presbyterian. That why the early births are not on IFHF. There are no Presbyterian records on IFHF for Carrickfergus. Do you know father Edward's occupation? That might explain the move. Peter

Maree, After more than an hour looking, I'm afraid there are a whole lot of little clues out there that I don't have and it's developing into extended research. Firstly, make sure you have the children in the right order. If this is correct, it looks like Charles was the youngest born c1875, if I found the right death in NZ. What is the earliest BDM event you've found for the family in NZ? If it's the 1889 death of the father Edward, we can put the arrival down to between 1875 and 1889. That's a bit broad. Try to narrow it down by looking at any death certificates for how long in colony. Looking at shipping records, I see John arrived in 1891. That date seems to fit with Ellen's 20 years in colony, but my guess is that younger children would have travelled with parents. I also see that the Aorangi originated in London and travelled to Wellington. I'm a little surprised at a London departure. I'd be looking more at an Irish port or perhaps Liverpool. I'd also be concentrating on arrivals in Wellington. As for the IFHF site, I can't find any McFall possibilities with father Edward in Carrickfergus RC records. Do you have their religion? Could it be a nearby parish or religion that the records for which aren't on the site. Sorry, Peter

Hi Mike, Thanks for your reply. Growing up my surname was often mispelt so I do try and keep an open mind as to different spelling variations like McFaul and McPhail. I have heard others here in NZ have not been able to find their families, and it is sometimes easier to find them if they were assisted immigrants, maybe some of mine paid their own way?? Maree

Hi Peter, Thanks for the web addresses, have looked at the family search but no luck apart from John arriving in 1891 on the ship "Aorangi", which I did have. The Irish Family History Foundation has Maggie McFall in marriage and death records, but I would want to be sure I have the right one before parting out. Was hoping that maybe that Maggie married and there are descendants out there and maybe still in Ireland. According to death certs as to how long lived in N.Z., Edward and Margaret McFALL came out about 1884/1885 but have not been able to find them on shipping lists. Edward died in 1889 and was living alone so the family had split up. Anne had come to N.Z. then went back to Ireland and married Robert Gordon in 1893, Larne, Ireland, had 4 children. Found them on 1901 census, they then come out as a family in 1909 ship "McLaughlan". Ellen married in N.Z. and died in 1912 (according to death details she had lived in N.Z. about 20 years). Have not been able to find the rest of family on shipping lists, so presume they came out with parents. I have info. of marriages and deaths etc here in New Zealand. Maree Timaru NZ