That's great! Thanks very much John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Waugh" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick > Hi Elizabeth > > try this link > > www.ucs.louisiana.edu/cgi-bin/belfst/QueryForm1.cgi > > John > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Elizabeth Abbott" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 6:25 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick > >> I tried the link included with your email (below) but I wasn't able >> to >> get past the first page. Do you have any other way to access John >> Barber's name on this website? >> >> Thanks Linde, >> >> Elizabeth >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "DIB" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick >> >> >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> the index to the Belfast News Letter at >>> http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/cgi-bin/belfst/Search.cgi has several >>> John Barbers (or the same individual) in late eighteenth century >>> south Antrim; in the parish of Killead and near Muckamore; both of >>> these places could be said to be near Templepatrick. A mile or two >>> away. Lisburn also listed is a bit further away, 10 miles perhaps, >>> but of course he could have been from between Lisburn and >>> Templepatrick. There are of course even more entries for Barbers not >>> John; I didn't check all the names, but certainly there seem to have >>> been Barbers in Killead for several generations. The word "British" >>> used in the index puzzled me, but it turns out there is a townland >>> in >>> Killead called British. Have a look at the lists of names listed >>> along with John Barber from Killead and see how many of them >>> re-occur >>> in the area in Canada in which he settled. I know of at least one >>> other family from Muckamore which emigrated to Ontario in 1845; >>> Refords >>> >>> Linde Lunney >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth the index to the Belfast News Letter at http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/cgi-bin/belfst/Search.cgi has several John Barbers (or the same individual) in late eighteenth century south Antrim; in the parish of Killead and near Muckamore; both of these places could be said to be near Templepatrick. A mile or two away. Lisburn also listed is a bit further away, 10 miles perhaps, but of course he could have been from between Lisburn and Templepatrick. There are of course even more entries for Barbers not John; I didn't check all the names, but certainly there seem to have been Barbers in Killead for several generations. The word "British" used in the index puzzled me, but it turns out there is a townland in Killead called British. Have a look at the lists of names listed along with John Barber from Killead and see how many of them re-occur in the area in Canada in which he settled. I know of at least one other family from Muckamore which emigrated to Ontario in 1845; Refords Linde Lunney

I tried the link included with your email (below) but I wasn't able to get past the first page. Do you have any other way to access John Barber's name on this website? Thanks Linde, Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "DIB" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick > Elizabeth > > the index to the Belfast News Letter at > http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/cgi-bin/belfst/Search.cgi has several > John Barbers (or the same individual) in late eighteenth century > south Antrim; in the parish of Killead and near Muckamore; both of > these places could be said to be near Templepatrick. A mile or two > away. Lisburn also listed is a bit further away, 10 miles perhaps, > but of course he could have been from between Lisburn and > Templepatrick. There are of course even more entries for Barbers not > John; I didn't check all the names, but certainly there seem to have > been Barbers in Killead for several generations. The word "British" > used in the index puzzled me, but it turns out there is a townland in > Killead called British. Have a look at the lists of names listed > along with John Barber from Killead and see how many of them re-occur > in the area in Canada in which he settled. I know of at least one > other family from Muckamore which emigrated to Ontario in 1845; > Refords > > Linde Lunney > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ann, It shouldn't be that hard. The trouble is it would take an hour or two for me to look at all the places that I can think of. So I'll have to leave that to you. Firstly, I would make sure that his age and parent names are accurate. That means testing the reliability of the informant at either his marriage or death. He's born after 1864, so the first thing that comes to mind is Civil Registrations of both his birth and the marriage of his parents. Start with Family Search, and then check Family Search Beta. The next place to look is IFHF which has lots of records for Antrim. That's a pay site, so spend judiciously. You can also check 1901 and 1911 census of Ireland for parents or possible Allison siblings living in the Randalstown area. I'm not sure about records for Assisted Immigrants to Victoria . The online records only go to 1871. It would be interesting to see if he came alone or with other family members. You might like to check Vic BDM records for occurrences of the surname. And finally, you should check for possible submitted trees at places like Rootsweb and Ancestry and also search surname mailing lists and message boards. Sorry, nothing specific. But a lot of room for checking. Peter in Sydney PS!! Any of those websites will appear by simply putting the name into Google.

I am trying to trace Alexander Allison born abt 1872 at Randalstown, Antrim. His parents were John and Jane Allison. He came to Australia prior to 1898, possibly in 1889 at the age of 17. He married Mary Ann CORNFORD in Victoria, Australia in 1898. Most of his life was spent as a Farmer at Numurkah, Victoria. Does anyone know of this person?? Thank you Ann Menzies Cairns, Australia

Hi Shirlee He probably meant to say Tithe List for the 1830's Pauline www.irishhomesteads.com On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Shirlee Cantwell <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi > > What is the Title List for County Antrim for the 1820's? Mike mentioned it > in his response re John Barber in Templepatrick. > > Shirlee > Wellington, NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi What is the Title List for County Antrim for the 1820's? Mike mentioned it in his response re John Barber in Templepatrick. Shirlee Wellington, NZ

Hello Shirlee To get around the problem of having no 19th century census records we use what we term “census substitutes” Among these substitutes for the early part of the 19th century are the Tithe Applotment Books. They are a vital resource in any family research as they identify the presence of a particular family in a townland and gives the names of the head of those families, people who could have been born in the 1760-1800 time period. TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOKS 1823 - 1837: Tithe was a tax on all agricultural land (originally a tenth of the produce) excepting only church lands and glebes and urban areas and it was paid by leaseholders and occupiers of all religious denominations to the clergy of the Established Church of Ireland. There was growing resentment against this tax, particularly in the period of distress after 1815 and the government was forced to give way and introduce a Tithe Composition Act 1823 which replaced payment in kind by payment in cash by landlords. In order to effect this change, all the agricultural land and the names of those who occupied it, which was liable to pay the tithe had to be surveyed and apploted or valued. During the period 1823 to 1837 a Tithe Applotment Survey was made in each civil parish for the whole of Ireland to determine the value of tithe payable by different landlords. The material was arranged by civil parish and townland in volumes known as TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOKS. In some parishes more than one survey was taken. These books, compiled between 1823 and 1837 for the 9 Ulster Counties, are now deposited in the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland berst regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 08:28:51 +1300 > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Title List for County Antrim for the 1820's > > Hi > > What is the Title List for County Antrim for the 1820's? Mike mentioned it in his response re John Barber in Templepatrick. > > Shirlee > Wellington, NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

He may have been talking about the Tithe List. Linda On Nov 20, 2010, at 2:28 PM, Shirlee Cantwell wrote: > Hi > > What is the Title List for County Antrim for the 1820's? Mike mentioned it in his response re John Barber in Templepatrick. > > Shirlee > Wellington, NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth, Looks like you are doing all the right things. I've never seen a Canadian certificate, but presumed like Australia, they would follow the British system. What a pity they don't provide the required clues. I was leaning towards an earlier marriage, and I think eldest son John proves it. Unfortunately the one thing you left out was John's birth year. Have you tried looking for him in later censuses or BDM records to see what he gives as birthplace. It may be worthwhile finding his marriage and death records. While it's possible that the first wife died in Ireland, I'm theorising that a father would not travel across the globe with a young son, but look to family and relatives at home for support. I'd be looking for a possible death of the first Mrs Barber in Canada between 1830-1839. I was also wondering if any convicts may have been sent to Canada. But if that was the case he wouldn't have his son with him. Peter

Elizabeth As you are probably aware, Saint John, New Brunswick was a major port for Irish immigrants into Canada. In May of this year, The Provincial Archives launched "The New Brunswick Irish Portal" http://archives.gnb.ca Since you are considering the oldest son John may have been born in Ireland, perhaps he came to live with his father after he had established himself in Canada. Here is a unaccompanied child from the Passenger Lists database in the portal that may be worth following up on... A 12 year old may move marriage up on one's priority list. :-) Name BARBER, JOHN Age 12 Occupation CHILD >From MUFF County -- Country IRELAND Port Sailed From LONDONDERRY Vessel SUSAN Port of Entry SAINT JOHN Year 1838 Note PASSENGER Microfilm F9799 Archival Reference RS23 E1/1838h9 http://archives.gnb.ca/Irish/databases_en.html Muff is a post town and a civil parish in Co. Donegal. Happy Hunting Bill Hazelton -Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:08:21 -0800 From: "Elizabeth Abbott" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick SNIP Unfortunately none of the children's baptisms refer to his year of immigration. I haven't been able to find a baptism for his oldest son (also John) so perhaps he was also born in Ireland and came to Canada with his father. I suppose there is a possibility of a prior marriage especially since his marriage record does not refer to him as a "bachelor" although Mary Prentice is a "spinster." My g-grandfather (Adam) was the youngest in the family and he was born January 6, 1846, son "of the late John Barber of Goulbourn". SNIP Elizabeth

Hello Elizabeth I have just read back to your original query and now realise that the place names are common to both Australia and Canada. I'm sorry my suggestion will be of no help in this case! Please ignore my reply. Regards Susan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:irl-antrim-[email protected]] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Abbott Sent: Friday, 19 November 2010 10:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick Hi Peter, My mistake - Jane's age was 28 when she died, not 18. I must be tired! Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick > Elizabeth, > > IGI records show extracted or submitted. Extracted are generally > reliable, but for submitted you are relying on the accuracy of the > user. > However, I make the point that they usually have found some record on > which > to base their submission. > > In this case, the only likely records on IGI are all user > submissions. > As we know, records for Ireland were generally not available, so to > seize on > this one could be a mistake. I'd suggest there are hundreds that you > can't > see. > > What you need is some certainty of his age, birthplace and parents. > I'd > be starting at the places you know. Try getting certificates for his > marriage, death or birth of any children. If these follow British > convention, each should show age, origin and parents. Some may say how > long > in the colony. These will give you more reliable information to > continue > your search. > > I note he married at age 34 which is quite late. And I think 1839 > is a > bit early to be leaving Ireland because of the Potato Famine. It > suggest he > may have come alone. I'd also look for his occupation. Was it perhaps > military? > > I'd also try looking at submitted trees at Rootsweb and Ancestry. > Perhaps there are other Barber's who die in similar locations in > Canada. > > You might also try Irish Family History Foundation or Family Search > Beta, but they are largely post civil registration from 1864. > > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bill, The oldest son John appears on the 1851 census for Goulbourn with his sister Mariah and his mother Mary "Polly" Prentice Barber, widow. He is 11 years old on that census which makes his dob about 1840. John from Muff should have been born about 1826 so I think there is too much of an age difference here. Thanks for the link though. I use the New Brunswick Provincial Archives for other branches of my tree but I wasn't aware of this new launch. This is a big help. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Hazelton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick > Elizabeth > > As you are probably aware, Saint John, New Brunswick was a major port > for > Irish immigrants into Canada. > In May of this year, The Provincial Archives launched "The New > Brunswick > Irish Portal" > http://archives.gnb.ca > > > Since you are considering the oldest son John may have been born in > Ireland, > perhaps he came to live with his father after he had established > himself in > Canada. > Here is a unaccompanied child from the Passenger Lists database in the > portal that may be worth following up on... A 12 year old may move > marriage > up on one's priority list. :-) > > Name BARBER, JOHN > Age 12 > Occupation CHILD >>From MUFF > County -- > Country IRELAND > Port Sailed From LONDONDERRY > Vessel SUSAN > Port of Entry SAINT JOHN > Year 1838 > Note PASSENGER > Microfilm F9799 > Archival Reference RS23 E1/1838h9 > > http://archives.gnb.ca/Irish/databases_en.html > > Muff is a post town and a civil parish in Co. Donegal. > Happy Hunting > Bill Hazelton > > > -Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:08:21 -0800 > From: "Elizabeth Abbott" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick > > SNIP > Unfortunately none of the children's baptisms refer to > his year of immigration. I haven't been able to find a baptism for > his > oldest son (also John) so perhaps he was also born in Ireland and came > to Canada with his father. I suppose there is a possibility of a > prior > marriage especially since his marriage record does not refer to him as > a > "bachelor" although Mary Prentice is a "spinster." My g-grandfather > (Adam) was the youngest in the family and he was born January 6, 1846, > son "of the late John Barber of Goulbourn". > SNIP > > Elizabeth > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Elizabeth, The places you mention NEPEAN and BATHURST are in New South Wales in Australia. Do you think they may have travelled to Canada via Australia? If so it would be worth taking a look at BDM indexes for NSW which you can do on line at: http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm I hope this helps Regards Susan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Abbott Sent: Friday, 19 November 2010 10:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick Hi Mike, The church record for his death or burial simply says that on Aug. 2, 1845, John Barber of Goulbourn was interred at Young's "schoolyard"... the church also being used as a school at that time. I think John was one of the first to be buried there. The record is handwritten and very difficult to read... two lines in total. I have been to the cemetery and have the dates from his headstone as well as the church record, so I feel reasonably confident of his dates of birth and death (1805-1845). His marriage record only refers to him as "John Barber of Nepean, District of Bathurst, Blacksmith". I thought he might have followed his father's trade and I have tried to find apprenticeship papers for him but no luck. Unfortunately none of the children's baptisms refer to his year of immigration. I haven't been able to find a baptism for his oldest son (also John) so perhaps he was also born in Ireland and came to Canada with his father. I suppose there is a possibility of a prior marriage especially since his marriage record does not refer to him as a "bachelor" although Mary Prentice is a "spinster." My g-grandfather (Adam) was the youngest in the family and he was born January 6, 1846, son "of the late John Barber of Goulbourn". The 1842 census shows he came from Ireland - nothing more specific than that. There was a John Barber (farmer) who immigrated to Canada in 1817. The record says there were 3 in the family - no details as to his age or the names of the other two in the family. I brought the film into our library and it refers to the "Total of Protestant families preparing to emigrate from the counties of Carlow and Wexford in the ensuing spring..." I have photocopied all the names from the ship's list. He certainly arrived in Canada prior to his marriage in 1839. There is an excellent book "Irish Migrants in the Canadas" written by Dr. Bruce Elliott. A large number of families from Tipperary settled in the Ottawa Valley about that time, but I haven't been able to connect my family to Tipperary. So my next line of attack was the John Barber who was born in Templeton on May 16, 1805. I wasn't aware of the Local Studies Library at Ballymena. Thank you for that lead. I will follow up on it. Elizabeth

Elizabeth, IGI records show extracted or submitted. Extracted are generally reliable, but for submitted you are relying on the accuracy of the user. However, I make the point that they usually have found some record on which to base their submission. In this case, the only likely records on IGI are all user submissions. As we know, records for Ireland were generally not available, so to seize on this one could be a mistake. I'd suggest there are hundreds that you can't see. What you need is some certainty of his age, birthplace and parents. I'd be starting at the places you know. Try getting certificates for his marriage, death or birth of any children. If these follow British convention, each should show age, origin and parents. Some may say how long in the colony. These will give you more reliable information to continue your search. I note he married at age 34 which is quite late. And I think 1839 is a bit early to be leaving Ireland because of the Potato Famine. It suggest he may have come alone. I'd also look for his occupation. Was it perhaps military? I'd also try looking at submitted trees at Rootsweb and Ancestry. Perhaps there are other Barber's who die in similar locations in Canada. You might also try Irish Family History Foundation or Family Search Beta, but they are largely post civil registration from 1864. Peter

Elizabeth Does John's death certificate, say how long he was living in Ontatio? That would give you a year to look for his arriving and perhaps a shipping list. When the Griffith Valuation was done, I understand that an written account was also undertaken called something like "Memoirs, etc". The one for County Antrim, I understand was quite well done. So have you contacted the Local Studies Library at Ballymena. They should be able to tell you of an John Barber comes up in the Index. They should also be able to look at the Title List for County Antrim for hte 1820's to see if Thomas Barber is listed for that area. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Abbott" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:08 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick > I'm new to the list and would appreciate any help at all with the > following. > > John Barber was my gg-grandfather. He was born in Ireland and emigrated > to Canada (year unknown). > > He married Mary Prentice on May 4, 1839 in Nepean, Ontario. He died on > July 25, 1845 at the age of 40 which gives me 1805 as his year of birth. > His marriage and burial records are held at the Ottawa Anglican Church > Archives. The 1842 Canadian census indicates he belonged to the "Church > of England" and his three of his childrens' baptisms are also on record at > the Ottawa Anglican Church Archives. > > The IGI has a John Barber who was born May 16, 1805 in Templepatrick, > Antrim. The father was Thomas Barber. I'm aware that the IGI is not > always accurate but I'm at a dead end trying to find my gg-grandfather's > roots in Ireland. > > Does anyone have more information or suggestions? > Many thanks, > > Elizabeth > Canada >

Hi Peter, Thanks for your reply. As mentioned, he was 40 years old when he died in 1845 which gives me his birth year as 1805. Also his headstone says 1805-1845. His birth or baptism must have been in Ireland. He does appear on the 1842 census for Ontario (then Upper Canada) where it gives his place of birth as Ireland. The next census in 1851 was after his death. His wife is listed as a widow of Irish origin. Three of the baptisms for his four children refer to him simply as "John Barber, Blacksmith, of Goulbourn" which is where he lived after his marriage. Goulbourn is a township just outside Ottawa. Because the John Barber on the IGI matched his name and year of birth, I thought it was worth exploring further. Thanks again Peter. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick > Elizabeth, > > Looks like you are doing all the right things. > > I've never seen a Canadian certificate, but presumed like > Australia, > they would follow the British system. What a pity they don't provide > the > required clues. > > I was leaning towards an earlier marriage, and I think eldest son > John > proves it. Unfortunately the one thing you left out was John's birth > year. > Have you tried looking for him in later censuses or BDM records to see > what > he gives as birthplace. It may be worthwhile finding his marriage and > death > records. > > While it's possible that the first wife died in Ireland, I'm > theorising > that a father would not travel across the globe with a young son, but > look > to family and relatives at home for support. I'd be looking for a > possible > death of the first Mrs Barber in Canada between 1830-1839. > > I was also wondering if any convicts may have been sent to Canada. > But > if that was the case he wouldn't have his son with him. > > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peter, My mistake - Jane's age was 28 when she died, not 18. I must be tired! Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick > Elizabeth, > > IGI records show extracted or submitted. Extracted are generally > reliable, but for submitted you are relying on the accuracy of the > user. > However, I make the point that they usually have found some record on > which > to base their submission. > > In this case, the only likely records on IGI are all user > submissions. > As we know, records for Ireland were generally not available, so to > seize on > this one could be a mistake. I'd suggest there are hundreds that you > can't > see. > > What you need is some certainty of his age, birthplace and parents. > I'd > be starting at the places you know. Try getting certificates for his > marriage, death or birth of any children. If these follow British > convention, each should show age, origin and parents. Some may say how > long > in the colony. These will give you more reliable information to > continue > your search. > > I note he married at age 34 which is quite late. And I think 1839 > is a > bit early to be leaving Ireland because of the Potato Famine. It > suggest he > may have come alone. I'd also look for his occupation. Was it perhaps > military? > > I'd also try looking at submitted trees at Rootsweb and Ancestry. > Perhaps there are other Barber's who die in similar locations in > Canada. > > You might also try Irish Family History Foundation or Family Search > Beta, but they are largely post civil registration from 1864. > > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Peter, I have just replied to Mike, also on this mailing list, so I have probably answered some of your questions already. You are correct, this IGI record is submitted, not extracted. I have been searching for my gg-grandfather's roots for many years now and have used this record as a last resource. I am certain of his dates of birth and death as mentioned in my previous message to the list - John Barber lived from 1805 to1845. Unfortunately, the early Ontario records are not as complete as we would like. Your suggestion that age 34 is rather late for marriage has made me think about the possibility this might have been a second marriage. It's also interesting that his marriage record does not mention he was a bachelor. His occupation was blacksmith although he might also have been involved in the military. I have searched the family trees on Ancestry and Rootsweb and noted there is a possibility he might have had a sister Jane who was born in 1802 in Ireland and died in 1830, at the age of 18, in the Montreal General Hospital. There seems to be similar family names that connect with my gg-grandfather through marriage. Her death record says nothing about her parents or where she was born. Thank you so much for all your suggestions Peter. This is a great list. I have had two replies in one day, both with excellent ideas. Thanks again, Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick > Elizabeth, > > IGI records show extracted or submitted. Extracted are generally > reliable, but for submitted you are relying on the accuracy of the > user. > However, I make the point that they usually have found some record on > which > to base their submission. > > In this case, the only likely records on IGI are all user > submissions. > As we know, records for Ireland were generally not available, so to > seize on > this one could be a mistake. I'd suggest there are hundreds that you > can't > see. > > What you need is some certainty of his age, birthplace and parents. > I'd > be starting at the places you know. Try getting certificates for his > marriage, death or birth of any children. If these follow British > convention, each should show age, origin and parents. Some may say how > long > in the colony. These will give you more reliable information to > continue > your search. > > I note he married at age 34 which is quite late. And I think 1839 > is a > bit early to be leaving Ireland because of the Potato Famine. It > suggest he > may have come alone. I'd also look for his occupation. Was it perhaps > military? > > I'd also try looking at submitted trees at Rootsweb and Ancestry. > Perhaps there are other Barber's who die in similar locations in > Canada. > > You might also try Irish Family History Foundation or Family Search > Beta, but they are largely post civil registration from 1864. > > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike, The church record for his death or burial simply says that on Aug. 2, 1845, John Barber of Goulbourn was interred at Young's "schoolyard"... the church also being used as a school at that time. I think John was one of the first to be buried there. The record is handwritten and very difficult to read... two lines in total. I have been to the cemetery and have the dates from his headstone as well as the church record, so I feel reasonably confident of his dates of birth and death (1805-1845). His marriage record only refers to him as "John Barber of Nepean, District of Bathurst, Blacksmith". I thought he might have followed his father's trade and I have tried to find apprenticeship papers for him but no luck. Unfortunately none of the children's baptisms refer to his year of immigration. I haven't been able to find a baptism for his oldest son (also John) so perhaps he was also born in Ireland and came to Canada with his father. I suppose there is a possibility of a prior marriage especially since his marriage record does not refer to him as a "bachelor" although Mary Prentice is a "spinster." My g-grandfather (Adam) was the youngest in the family and he was born January 6, 1846, son "of the late John Barber of Goulbourn". The 1842 census shows he came from Ireland - nothing more specific than that. There was a John Barber (farmer) who immigrated to Canada in 1817. The record says there were 3 in the family - no details as to his age or the names of the other two in the family. I brought the film into our library and it refers to the "Total of Protestant families preparing to emigrate from the counties of Carlow and Wexford in the ensuing spring..." I have photocopied all the names from the ship's list. He certainly arrived in Canada prior to his marriage in 1839. There is an excellent book "Irish Migrants in the Canadas" written by Dr. Bruce Elliott. A large number of families from Tipperary settled in the Ottawa Valley about that time, but I haven't been able to connect my family to Tipperary. So my next line of attack was the John Barber who was born in Templeton on May 16, 1805. I wasn't aware of the Local Studies Library at Ballymena. Thank you for that lead. I will follow up on it. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick > Elizabeth > Does John's death certificate, say how long he was living in Ontatio? > That > would give you a year to look for his arriving and perhaps a shipping > list. > > When the Griffith Valuation was done, I understand that an written > account > was also undertaken called something like "Memoirs, etc". The one for > County > Antrim, I understand was quite well done. So have you contacted the > Local > Studies Library at Ballymena. They should be able to tell you of an > John > Barber comes up in the Index. > > They should also be able to look at the Title List for County Antrim > for hte > 1820's to see if Thomas Barber is listed for that area. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Abbott" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:08 AM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] John Barber in Templepatrick > > >> I'm new to the list and would appreciate any help at all with the >> following. >> >> John Barber was my gg-grandfather. He was born in Ireland and >> emigrated >> to Canada (year unknown). >> >> He married Mary Prentice on May 4, 1839 in Nepean, Ontario. He died >> on >> July 25, 1845 at the age of 40 which gives me 1805 as his year of >> birth. >> His marriage and burial records are held at the Ottawa Anglican >> Church >> Archives. The 1842 Canadian census indicates he belonged to the >> "Church >> of England" and his three of his childrens' baptisms are also on >> record at >> the Ottawa Anglican Church Archives. >> >> The IGI has a John Barber who was born May 16, 1805 in Templepatrick, >> Antrim. The father was Thomas Barber. I'm aware that the IGI is not >> always accurate but I'm at a dead end trying to find my >> gg-grandfather's >> roots in Ireland. >> >> Does anyone have more information or suggestions? >> Many thanks, >> >> Elizabeth >> Canada >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message