Hi Pat - could you tell me a little more about your McERLEAN family. My grandmother was Margaret (Maggie) McErlean who married Own McCOMB. Maggie was born in 1878 and was the daughter of John McERLEAN and Elizabeth HAMILL. Although not verified family stories say she had had least two sisters with whom she walked into Belfast for work at the linen mills. She also had a brother George. Do you think there may be a connection. I do know that many relatives of the McERLEAN and McCOMB families went to the USA. Kind regards. Macha in NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Windseye@aol.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 3:17 AM Subject: Re: [Antrim] Emigration/leaving children > Leaving children behind when emigrating may have been fairly common: > My great grandfather, Hugh McQuillan, (born in Mullaghsandal, married > Elizabeth McErlean in Cruck in 1875)left my grandmother and younger siblings with > great grandparents when he emigrated to US. My grandmother came to US later > but her youngest sister was left in Ireland and raised there. > > My great grandmother, Maria Green Fox (Ballina, Co Mayo) brought her older > children to the United States in 1891, and later went back to Ireland for the > younger children. > Spouses of both of these great grandparents had died prior to their > emigration, so that was probably a factor in their decision to bring just their older > children with them initially. > Pat > > > __________ NOD32 1.1469 (20060404) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

What sort of Stevensons are you looking at, Wendy? I am currently working my way through the Stevensons of Knockan, Feeny, co Derry. They apepar in Burke's Irish Family Records/Landed Gentry of Ireland which is where I am working from at the moment Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:43 AM Subject: Re: [Antrim] Tithe Applotments Stevenson > Anne, > How does one access these Tithe Applotments? Are they available online. > I am interested in Stevenson. > Thanks, >

Try your local library. There are several editions of Burke's, and you may need to check more than one. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Woodvaledrive@aol.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [Antrim] Tithe Applotments Stevenson > My ancestors hailed from the Kilrea area of Derry. Where do I find the > "Burke's Irish Family Records." And please don't say PRONI!! > > Marion. > >

Oh Charles, I am so glad to hear from you - especially as you are a Clark!! My Robert Stevenson was born 1798 to John Stevenson and Mary Rankin. Other children were William Clatworthy Stevenson, born c. 1800, Phillip and John. There was a sister Margaret. The children were all born near Galgorm/Ahogill, near Ballymena. But John came from somewhere else, as he wasn't listed in the parish registers as born or married there. (Perhaps Belfast area??) They were apparently neighbours in Ireland of the CLARKS and SLOANS, as the three families, together with Russells came to Canada in 1840's. Any links?? Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Clark" <Charles.Clark@xtra.co.nz> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Antrim] Tithe Applotments Stevenson > What sort of Stevensons are you looking at, Wendy? I am currently working > my way through the Stevensons of Knockan, Feeny, co Derry. They apepar in > Burke's Irish Family Records/Landed Gentry of Ireland which is where I am > working from at the moment > Charlie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> > To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 5:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Antrim] Tithe Applotments Stevenson > > >> Anne, >> How does one access these Tithe Applotments? Are they available online. >> I am interested in Stevenson. >> Thanks, >> > >

Thanks, Anne, I didn't think that it was readily available! My John Stevenson married Mary Rankin, and they had Robert, William, John and Phillip all born between 1794 and 1802. The children were all born in Galgorm, near Ballymena, but the father John came from somewhere else, as he was neither born nor married in the area. One legend is that the Stevensons came from near Belfast. Most of the sons came to Canada after 1845 or so. Thanks. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Shier Klintworth" <ashierk@yahoo.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: RE: [Antrim] Tithe Applotments Stevenson > They are available as part of a subscription to genealogy.com > > What Stevensons and where? > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robt & Wendy Stevenson [mailto:stevensons@odyssey.on.ca] > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:44 PM > To: IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Antrim] Tithe Applotments Stevenson > > Anne, > How does one access these Tithe Applotments? Are they available online. > I > am interested in Stevenson. > Thanks, > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Shier Klintworth" <ashierk@yahoo.com> > To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:17 PM > Subject: [Antrim] Cunningham - Tithe Applotments > > >> The following are from the index to the Tithe Applotments 1823-1838: >> >> William Cunningham in the following places: >> >> Co. Antrim, Conner Parish, Connor Townland, 1835 >> >> Co. Down, Drumbeg Parish, Townland Ballydunkillmuck, 1830 >> >> Co. Down, Clonduff Parish, Carquillan Townland, 1834 (William Jr.) >> >> Co. Tyrone, Ardstraw Parrish, Cladyholliday Townland, 1834 >> >> Co Londonderry/Derry, Dungiven Parish, Derryork Townland, 1834 >> >> Co. Down, Doromore Parish, Skillyscolban, 1834 >> >> Co. Down, Dromore Parish, Balleny Townland, 1834 >> >> Co. Down, Clonduff Parish, Carquillan Townland, 1834 >> >> Co. Down, Clonallan Parish, Aughavilla Townland, 1834 >> >> Co. Antrim, Finvoy Parish, Townland, Glengad, 1834 >> >> Co. Londonderry/Derry, Dunboe Parish, Ballywiderick Lower, 1828 >> >> Co. Down, Dromara Parish, Finnis Townland, 1828 >> >> Co. Antrim Portglenone, Craigs Townland, 1825 >> >> Co. Antrim Ballymoney Parish, Glanyloughs Townland, 1825 >> >> Co. Antrim Ballymoney Parish, Craigatimpan Townland, 1825 >> >> Co. Armagh, Loughgilly Parish, Maymawhillan Townland, 1834 >> >> Co. Antrim Finvoy Parish, Glengad Townland, 1834 >> >> Co. Tyrone, Pomeroy Parish, Cleggin Townland, 1829 >> >> Co. Down, Donaghmore Parish, Killysavin Townland, 1829 >> >> Co. Londonderry/Derr, Maghera Parish, Grillagh Townland, 1828 >> >> Co. Down, Dromara Parish, Finnis townland, 1828 >> >> Co. Antrim,. Portgenone Parish, Ballylummin Townland, 1825 >> >> Co. Antrim, Ahoghill Parish, Moylarg townland, 1825 >> >> Co. Antrim, Billy Parish, Carnan Townland, 1824 >> >> >> Andrew Cunningham in the following places: >> >> Co. Tyrone, Errigal Keerogue Parish, Braegh Townland, 1833 >> >> Co. Londonderry/Derry, Derry Deanery/Templemore Parish, Castle Cooley >> Townland, no date (Individuals from Templemore were recorded with > Derry >> Deanery and may be in either location) This one indexed Andw. >> Cunningham, one later on indexed as Andrew Cunningham. >> >> Co Armagh, Killevy Parish, Clonlum Townland, 1835 >> >> Co. Armagh, Killeavy Parish, Clonlum Townland, 1834 >> >> Co. Tyrone, Errigal Keerogue Parish, Brackagh Townland, 1832 >> >> Co. Armagh, Ballymore Parish, Ballysheilbeg Townland, 1830 >> >> Co. Antrim Derry Deanery/Templemore Parish, Castle Cooley Townland, no >> date (Individuals from Templemore were recorded with Derry Deanery and >> may be in either location) indexed full name Andrew. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Anne Klintworth >> >> > > >

Thank you! I will eventually find which is the correct one! John

My ancestors hailed from the Kilrea area of Derry. Where do I find the "Burke's Irish Family Records." And please don't say PRONI!! Marion.

They are available as part of a subscription to genealogy.com What Stevensons and where? Anne -----Original Message----- From: Robt & Wendy Stevenson [mailto:stevensons@odyssey.on.ca] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 1:44 PM To: IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Antrim] Tithe Applotments Stevenson Anne, How does one access these Tithe Applotments? Are they available online. I am interested in Stevenson. Thanks, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Shier Klintworth" <ashierk@yahoo.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: [Antrim] Cunningham - Tithe Applotments > The following are from the index to the Tithe Applotments 1823-1838: > > William Cunningham in the following places: > > Co. Antrim, Conner Parish, Connor Townland, 1835 > > Co. Down, Drumbeg Parish, Townland Ballydunkillmuck, 1830 > > Co. Down, Clonduff Parish, Carquillan Townland, 1834 (William Jr.) > > Co. Tyrone, Ardstraw Parrish, Cladyholliday Townland, 1834 > > Co Londonderry/Derry, Dungiven Parish, Derryork Townland, 1834 > > Co. Down, Doromore Parish, Skillyscolban, 1834 > > Co. Down, Dromore Parish, Balleny Townland, 1834 > > Co. Down, Clonduff Parish, Carquillan Townland, 1834 > > Co. Down, Clonallan Parish, Aughavilla Townland, 1834 > > Co. Antrim, Finvoy Parish, Townland, Glengad, 1834 > > Co. Londonderry/Derry, Dunboe Parish, Ballywiderick Lower, 1828 > > Co. Down, Dromara Parish, Finnis Townland, 1828 > > Co. Antrim Portglenone, Craigs Townland, 1825 > > Co. Antrim Ballymoney Parish, Glanyloughs Townland, 1825 > > Co. Antrim Ballymoney Parish, Craigatimpan Townland, 1825 > > Co. Armagh, Loughgilly Parish, Maymawhillan Townland, 1834 > > Co. Antrim Finvoy Parish, Glengad Townland, 1834 > > Co. Tyrone, Pomeroy Parish, Cleggin Townland, 1829 > > Co. Down, Donaghmore Parish, Killysavin Townland, 1829 > > Co. Londonderry/Derr, Maghera Parish, Grillagh Townland, 1828 > > Co. Down, Dromara Parish, Finnis townland, 1828 > > Co. Antrim,. Portgenone Parish, Ballylummin Townland, 1825 > > Co. Antrim, Ahoghill Parish, Moylarg townland, 1825 > > Co. Antrim, Billy Parish, Carnan Townland, 1824 > > > Andrew Cunningham in the following places: > > Co. Tyrone, Errigal Keerogue Parish, Braegh Townland, 1833 > > Co. Londonderry/Derry, Derry Deanery/Templemore Parish, Castle Cooley > Townland, no date (Individuals from Templemore were recorded with Derry > Deanery and may be in either location) This one indexed Andw. > Cunningham, one later on indexed as Andrew Cunningham. > > Co Armagh, Killevy Parish, Clonlum Townland, 1835 > > Co. Armagh, Killeavy Parish, Clonlum Townland, 1834 > > Co. Tyrone, Errigal Keerogue Parish, Brackagh Townland, 1832 > > Co. Armagh, Ballymore Parish, Ballysheilbeg Townland, 1830 > > Co. Antrim Derry Deanery/Templemore Parish, Castle Cooley Townland, no > date (Individuals from Templemore were recorded with Derry Deanery and > may be in either location) indexed full name Andrew. > > Hope this helps. > > Anne Klintworth > >

Anne, How does one access these Tithe Applotments? Are they available online. I am interested in Stevenson. Thanks, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Shier Klintworth" <ashierk@yahoo.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:17 PM Subject: [Antrim] Cunningham - Tithe Applotments > The following are from the index to the Tithe Applotments 1823-1838: > > William Cunningham in the following places: > > Co. Antrim, Conner Parish, Connor Townland, 1835 > > Co. Down, Drumbeg Parish, Townland Ballydunkillmuck, 1830 > > Co. Down, Clonduff Parish, Carquillan Townland, 1834 (William Jr.) > > Co. Tyrone, Ardstraw Parrish, Cladyholliday Townland, 1834 > > Co Londonderry/Derry, Dungiven Parish, Derryork Townland, 1834 > > Co. Down, Doromore Parish, Skillyscolban, 1834 > > Co. Down, Dromore Parish, Balleny Townland, 1834 > > Co. Down, Clonduff Parish, Carquillan Townland, 1834 > > Co. Down, Clonallan Parish, Aughavilla Townland, 1834 > > Co. Antrim, Finvoy Parish, Townland, Glengad, 1834 > > Co. Londonderry/Derry, Dunboe Parish, Ballywiderick Lower, 1828 > > Co. Down, Dromara Parish, Finnis Townland, 1828 > > Co. Antrim Portglenone, Craigs Townland, 1825 > > Co. Antrim Ballymoney Parish, Glanyloughs Townland, 1825 > > Co. Antrim Ballymoney Parish, Craigatimpan Townland, 1825 > > Co. Armagh, Loughgilly Parish, Maymawhillan Townland, 1834 > > Co. Antrim Finvoy Parish, Glengad Townland, 1834 > > Co. Tyrone, Pomeroy Parish, Cleggin Townland, 1829 > > Co. Down, Donaghmore Parish, Killysavin Townland, 1829 > > Co. Londonderry/Derr, Maghera Parish, Grillagh Townland, 1828 > > Co. Down, Dromara Parish, Finnis townland, 1828 > > Co. Antrim,. Portgenone Parish, Ballylummin Townland, 1825 > > Co. Antrim, Ahoghill Parish, Moylarg townland, 1825 > > Co. Antrim, Billy Parish, Carnan Townland, 1824 > > > Andrew Cunningham in the following places: > > Co. Tyrone, Errigal Keerogue Parish, Braegh Townland, 1833 > > Co. Londonderry/Derry, Derry Deanery/Templemore Parish, Castle Cooley > Townland, no date (Individuals from Templemore were recorded with Derry > Deanery and may be in either location) This one indexed Andw. > Cunningham, one later on indexed as Andrew Cunningham. > > Co Armagh, Killevy Parish, Clonlum Townland, 1835 > > Co. Armagh, Killeavy Parish, Clonlum Townland, 1834 > > Co. Tyrone, Errigal Keerogue Parish, Brackagh Townland, 1832 > > Co. Armagh, Ballymore Parish, Ballysheilbeg Townland, 1830 > > Co. Antrim Derry Deanery/Templemore Parish, Castle Cooley Townland, no > date (Individuals from Templemore were recorded with Derry Deanery and > may be in either location) indexed full name Andrew. > > Hope this helps. > > Anne Klintworth > >

The following are from the index to the Tithe Applotments 1823-1838: William Cunningham in the following places: Co. Antrim, Conner Parish, Connor Townland, 1835 Co. Down, Drumbeg Parish, Townland Ballydunkillmuck, 1830 Co. Down, Clonduff Parish, Carquillan Townland, 1834 (William Jr.) Co. Tyrone, Ardstraw Parrish, Cladyholliday Townland, 1834 Co Londonderry/Derry, Dungiven Parish, Derryork Townland, 1834 Co. Down, Doromore Parish, Skillyscolban, 1834 Co. Down, Dromore Parish, Balleny Townland, 1834 Co. Down, Clonduff Parish, Carquillan Townland, 1834 Co. Down, Clonallan Parish, Aughavilla Townland, 1834 Co. Antrim, Finvoy Parish, Townland, Glengad, 1834 Co. Londonderry/Derry, Dunboe Parish, Ballywiderick Lower, 1828 Co. Down, Dromara Parish, Finnis Townland, 1828 Co. Antrim Portglenone, Craigs Townland, 1825 Co. Antrim Ballymoney Parish, Glanyloughs Townland, 1825 Co. Antrim Ballymoney Parish, Craigatimpan Townland, 1825 Co. Armagh, Loughgilly Parish, Maymawhillan Townland, 1834 Co. Antrim Finvoy Parish, Glengad Townland, 1834 Co. Tyrone, Pomeroy Parish, Cleggin Townland, 1829 Co. Down, Donaghmore Parish, Killysavin Townland, 1829 Co. Londonderry/Derr, Maghera Parish, Grillagh Townland, 1828 Co. Down, Dromara Parish, Finnis townland, 1828 Co. Antrim,. Portgenone Parish, Ballylummin Townland, 1825 Co. Antrim, Ahoghill Parish, Moylarg townland, 1825 Co. Antrim, Billy Parish, Carnan Townland, 1824 Andrew Cunningham in the following places: Co. Tyrone, Errigal Keerogue Parish, Braegh Townland, 1833 Co. Londonderry/Derry, Derry Deanery/Templemore Parish, Castle Cooley Townland, no date (Individuals from Templemore were recorded with Derry Deanery and may be in either location) This one indexed Andw. Cunningham, one later on indexed as Andrew Cunningham. Co Armagh, Killevy Parish, Clonlum Townland, 1835 Co. Armagh, Killeavy Parish, Clonlum Townland, 1834 Co. Tyrone, Errigal Keerogue Parish, Brackagh Townland, 1832 Co. Armagh, Ballymore Parish, Ballysheilbeg Townland, 1830 Co. Antrim Derry Deanery/Templemore Parish, Castle Cooley Townland, no date (Individuals from Templemore were recorded with Derry Deanery and may be in either location) indexed full name Andrew. Hope this helps. Anne Klintworth

Mark No sorry. I have just observed it. I know sometimes it was because they could not raise enough money to bring out all the children. How would you make the choice? I have been transcribing a trip on the "Helen" to Sydney in 1841 and several of the married couples had noted they did not bring all of their children, one because of that reason. Perhaps from 11 they had to pay full fare or perhaps they were considered old enough to help elderly grandparents. Children as young as 8 used to work in the mines in UK My the way, there were McBrides on the ship. Do you want me to send you a copy when I have completed it. Jennifer ----- Original Message ----- > >

What spellings have you tried. For example, I have a family of Conyngham which may or maynot be the same. They changed to Lenox-Conyngham100 years before your time frame, however. Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Blair" <jcblair77@btinternet.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:46 PM Subject: [Antrim] Early 1800's resources?? > I'm just beginning to trace my wife's Cunningham families that moved from > Ireland (not sure of location) to Ontario Canada somewhere between 1810 > and 1830's. One of them married a Jane Jackson who was born in Antrim in > 1813. I'm hoping someone can give me a couple leads on what's available as > far as research for the time period of 1800-1830 ??? I've done several > searches on Origins Network, but no leads for an Andrew Cunningham and a > William Cunningham. Any suggestions?? Thanks, John > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 28/07/2006 > >

Dear Jennifer You wrote about the practice of leaving children with relatives to emigrate to Australia: > They may have > left the children with grandparents or other relatives. I know from going > through the shipping to Australia that a number of people left children with > relatives even to come to Australia Do you know anything more of this practice? My gg grandparents John McBride (b1831) and Elizabeth (Lamont, b 1828) came from Ballymena to Fremantle, Australia, in 1860 with their two eldest boys, James (my g grandfather, 8) and William (4). They left their daughter Rose Mary (6) and youngest son Daniel (2) in Ireland. These two children followed individually to Australia at around the age of 11. This must have been an extraordinary experience for the two left behind, particularly for Daniel who would only have known his parents through stories from relatives. And I wonder how being left behind at tht age affected Rose Mary. Both parents were illiterate (or at least signed their marriage certificate with Xs), so presumably relied on others to write for them. By the time Rose Mary and Daniel had arrived in Australia, they had two younger brothers, both born in Australia. Was there a particular significance about the age of 11? From the shipping lists, these children appear to have travelled alone to Australia. Would they not have been chaperoned? I have been unable to find out about the families of John or Elizabeth, particularly about siblings, cousins, uncles or aunts to know who their children were likely to have stayed with. I have read that there was a settlement of Lamonts in Ballymarlow (which is where Elizabeth came from) but have not been able to identify where she or her father William fitted in. Perhaps someone from this list can help? Any thoughts would be welcome. All the best Mark Snell Woy Woy NSW Australia

David Sounds a bit unusual but as Cheshire and Staffordshire share a border they might have been working over there, or it may be someone else. Unfortunately Michael and Bridget are quite common Irish names. I have the same problem with William and Mary in the UK. If you think they were in Uk try the 1851 as well and you can probably get to that at an LDS or your local library/genealogical society. I think I am correct in saying that many of the Irish went to Uk to work. They may have left the children with grandparents or other relatives. I know from going through the shipping to Australia that a number of people left children with relatives even to come to Australia which is a much bigger call than leaving them to hop across to England which you can see on a clear day. On the other hand you do now have a towland or two to research and it might be worthwhile following up the churches in the areas. Good luck Irish research is so much more difficult than English Jennifer >

Try www. family search.org Lots of other possibilities, also.

Yes Jennifer, I know this to be a fact with other ancestors who came to America in 1848 and their daughters ages 5 and 3 came in 1850 with an Aunt. David Nicholson

Robert, again Thanks! I will probably do your Initial Report search as soon as I can get a better idea of when they arrived in Canada/US and if possible where exactly in Ireland they came from. I've got Canadian records on order, though not sure if they will give me that information. Ancestry.com gives me 2 or 3 possible hits of an Andrew Cunningham coming from Ireland. John Blair

Hi John , Sorry I cannot say if they have been filmed or not.(There are 80 books) Maybe some one else might be able to advise you on that. We use the original books at PRONi best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com >From: "John Blair" <jcblair77@btinternet.com> >Reply-To: IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Antrim] Early 1800's resources?? >Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 10:08:14 +0100 > >Robert, I'm an US citizen living in Scotland, would I be able to use an >interlibrary loan on those records, and order them to view in Scotland? >Are they microfilmed? HOw would I go about doing such? Thanks for your >help. John > >Title Applotment books > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb

Leaving children behind when emigrating may have been fairly common: My great grandfather, Hugh McQuillan, (born in Mullaghsandal, married Elizabeth McErlean in Cruck in 1875)left my grandmother and younger siblings with great grandparents when he emigrated to US. My grandmother came to US later but her youngest sister was left in Ireland and raised there. My great grandmother, Maria Green Fox (Ballina, Co Mayo) brought her older children to the United States in 1891, and later went back to Ireland for the younger children. Spouses of both of these great grandparents had died prior to their emigration, so that was probably a factor in their decision to bring just their older children with them initially. Pat

Charlie, Right now I've only seen Cunningham and once in a great while Cuningham, the spelling was always used that way in Canada. John