Thank you so much. I went to the website, found an e-mail address for the Presbyterian Historical Society and have already written to them. Of interest to me was that the present Chairman of the Society was Rev.W.D. Bailie (my g grandmother's maiden name was Bailia). He could be related to me!. Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay & Jean" <jaynjean@mnsi.net> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [Antrim] MULHOLLANDs in Ireland - location of headstone >I had good luck several years ago with my Presbyterian Herbison family in >Cullybackey, Ballymena, thru contacting the Presbyterian Historical Society >by s-mail. . Their web address is http://www.presbyterianireland.org/phsi/ >their s-mail address is posted there. I found that a donation expedited the >search :-) JayS > > p&rgordon wrote: > >> I am very interested in this posting. My gg grandparents were married in >> Templepatrick, the first son was born Umgall, and several of the younger >> ones were christened in Lylehill. I am presuming that is really Lyles >> Hill Presbyterian Church as they were presbyterian. Maybe all their >> records are there prior to emigration to Ontario. Do you have any >> contact addresses so that I could possibly get verification of all this >> family. Parents were William Spence born May 1805, Baraba Bailia (now >> transcribed as Bailey) born Nov 1815 , marriage Mar 27, 1832 >> Templepatrick, Son William Spence Jr. born Umgall, then Finley, Margaret, >> Barbara, then the rest I have Lylehill for, and they are Robert Clarke >> Spence, Hannah, Mary A., Jane Russell (my g grandmother), and Elizabeth >> Magill (McGill) Spence. If I could get the marriage record, I could >> verify place of birth, parents etc. as they are supposed to be of Scotch >> descent but born in Ireland. I can hardly wait for a reply. >> Thanks so much >> Peggy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Mulholland" >> <libearywolf@shaw.ca> >> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 8:13 AM >> Subject: [Antrim] MULHOLLANDs in Ireland - location of headstone >> >> >>> >>> Further to my posting last week which included the following: >>> They had 6 children (all six are listed on a large headstone in a very >>> small >>> cemetery just north of Belfast (I don't have the name of the place but >>> could >>> locate it if it will assist others) >>> >>> >>> >>> I was able to locate the location of the cemetery through a cousin. He >>> sends the following information: >>> >>> The cemetry is at Ballyoutoag and I know that they had some sort of >>> connection with Lyles Hill Presbyterian Church. It is near the Grange >>> of >>> Umgall. >>> >>> >>> Also in the cemetery near the headstone is a small stone with William >>> MULHOLLAND (late of Ballyutoag) 02 Feb 1844. >>> >>> >>> I hope this helps someone out there. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Rick >>> Surrey, BC, Canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: >>> 8/18/2006 >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 > >

I had good luck several years ago with my Presbyterian Herbison family in Cullybackey, Ballymena, thru contacting the Presbyterian Historical Society by s-mail. . Their web address is http://www.presbyterianireland.org/phsi/ their s-mail address is posted there. I found that a donation expedited the search :-) JayS p&rgordon wrote: > I am very interested in this posting. My gg grandparents were married > in Templepatrick, the first son was born Umgall, and several of the > younger ones were christened in Lylehill. I am presuming that is > really Lyles Hill Presbyterian Church as they were presbyterian. Maybe > all their records are there prior to emigration to Ontario. Do you > have any contact addresses so that I could possibly get verification > of all this family. Parents were William Spence born May 1805, Baraba > Bailia (now transcribed as Bailey) born Nov 1815 , marriage Mar 27, > 1832 Templepatrick, Son William Spence Jr. born Umgall, then Finley, > Margaret, Barbara, then the rest I have Lylehill for, and they are > Robert Clarke Spence, Hannah, Mary A., Jane Russell (my g > grandmother), and Elizabeth Magill (McGill) Spence. If I could get > the marriage record, I could verify place of birth, parents etc. as > they are supposed to be of Scotch descent but born in Ireland. I can > hardly wait for a reply. > Thanks so much > Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Mulholland" > <libearywolf@shaw.ca> > To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 8:13 AM > Subject: [Antrim] MULHOLLANDs in Ireland - location of headstone > > >> >> Further to my posting last week which included the following: >> They had 6 children (all six are listed on a large headstone in a >> very small >> cemetery just north of Belfast (I don't have the name of the place >> but could >> locate it if it will assist others) >> >> >> >> I was able to locate the location of the cemetery through a cousin. He >> sends the following information: >> >> The cemetry is at Ballyoutoag and I know that they had some sort of >> connection with Lyles Hill Presbyterian Church. It is near the >> Grange of >> Umgall. >> >> >> Also in the cemetery near the headstone is a small stone with William >> MULHOLLAND (late of Ballyutoag) 02 Feb 1844. >> >> >> I hope this helps someone out there. >> >> Cheers, >> Rick >> Surrey, BC, Canada >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: >> 8/18/2006 >> >> > >

Peggy, I have nothing but the names on the stones. When I did a search for Lyles Hill Presbyterian Church earlier, I came up with nothing. I am hoping that someone out there knows more. I am suspecting my cousin is incorrect with the name of the church. Perhaps that is another posting for the listserv. I did a search on Google and found a link to the Presbyterian Church of Ireland. I have been busy with other things today to check out which church is around there. I have plans to check this out in detail in the next few days. I will contact you if I find anything interesting. Good luck with your search. Cheers, Rick -----Original Message----- From: p&rgordon [mailto:p&rgordon@telus.net] Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 5:37 PM To: IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Antrim] MULHOLLANDs in Ireland - location of headstone I am very interested in this posting. My gg grandparents were married in Templepatrick, the first son was born Umgall, and several of the younger ones were christened in Lylehill. I am presuming that is really Lyles Hill Presbyterian Church as they were presbyterian. Maybe all their records are there prior to emigration to Ontario. Do you have any contact addresses so that I could possibly get verification of all this family. Parents were William Spence born May 1805, Baraba Bailia (now transcribed as Bailey) born Nov 1815 , marriage Mar 27, 1832 Templepatrick, Son William Spence Jr. born Umgall, then Finley, Margaret, Barbara, then the rest I have Lylehill for, and they are Robert Clarke Spence, Hannah, Mary A., Jane Russell (my g grandmother), and Elizabeth Magill (McGill) Spence. If I could get the marriage record, I could verify place of birth, parents etc. as they are supposed to be of Scotch descent but born in Ireland. I can hardly wait for a reply. Thanks so much Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Mulholland" <libearywolf@shaw.ca> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: [Antrim] MULHOLLANDs in Ireland - location of headstone > > Further to my posting last week which included the following: > They had 6 children (all six are listed on a large headstone in a very > small > cemetery just north of Belfast (I don't have the name of the place but > could > locate it if it will assist others) > > > > I was able to locate the location of the cemetery through a cousin. He > sends the following information: > > The cemetry is at Ballyoutoag and I know that they had some sort of > connection with Lyles Hill Presbyterian Church. It is near the Grange of > Umgall. > > > Also in the cemetery near the headstone is a small stone with William > MULHOLLAND (late of Ballyutoag) 02 Feb 1844. > > > I hope this helps someone out there. > > Cheers, > Rick > Surrey, BC, Canada > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 > >

I am very interested in this posting. My gg grandparents were married in Templepatrick, the first son was born Umgall, and several of the younger ones were christened in Lylehill. I am presuming that is really Lyles Hill Presbyterian Church as they were presbyterian. Maybe all their records are there prior to emigration to Ontario. Do you have any contact addresses so that I could possibly get verification of all this family. Parents were William Spence born May 1805, Baraba Bailia (now transcribed as Bailey) born Nov 1815 , marriage Mar 27, 1832 Templepatrick, Son William Spence Jr. born Umgall, then Finley, Margaret, Barbara, then the rest I have Lylehill for, and they are Robert Clarke Spence, Hannah, Mary A., Jane Russell (my g grandmother), and Elizabeth Magill (McGill) Spence. If I could get the marriage record, I could verify place of birth, parents etc. as they are supposed to be of Scotch descent but born in Ireland. I can hardly wait for a reply. Thanks so much Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Mulholland" <libearywolf@shaw.ca> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: [Antrim] MULHOLLANDs in Ireland - location of headstone > > Further to my posting last week which included the following: > They had 6 children (all six are listed on a large headstone in a very > small > cemetery just north of Belfast (I don't have the name of the place but > could > locate it if it will assist others) > > > > I was able to locate the location of the cemetery through a cousin. He > sends the following information: > > The cemetry is at Ballyoutoag and I know that they had some sort of > connection with Lyles Hill Presbyterian Church. It is near the Grange of > Umgall. > > > Also in the cemetery near the headstone is a small stone with William > MULHOLLAND (late of Ballyutoag) 02 Feb 1844. > > > I hope this helps someone out there. > > Cheers, > Rick > Surrey, BC, Canada > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 > >

Further to my posting last week which included the following: They had 6 children (all six are listed on a large headstone in a very small cemetery just north of Belfast (I don't have the name of the place but could locate it if it will assist others) I was able to locate the location of the cemetery through a cousin. He sends the following information: The cemetry is at Ballyoutoag and I know that they had some sort of connection with Lyles Hill Presbyterian Church. It is near the Grange of Umgall. Also in the cemetery near the headstone is a small stone with William MULHOLLAND (late of Ballyutoag) 02 Feb 1844. I hope this helps someone out there. Cheers, Rick Surrey, BC, Canada

Hi all, I didn't really expect to generate so many replies! To those who are curious about where the marriage record was found: I found it at the Ulster Historical Foundation website: http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php They've recently made some birth and marriage indexes for Antrim and Down available and I got lucky. The indexes are free to search (they don't tell you much and the search criteria are very limited) but you can view up to 5 full entries within your search results for 6 British pounds. I searched under Martha Robinson (because there are not as many spelling variations for Robinson as McKendry/McHenry) and it was the third entry I looked at. I also looked for the birth of my John McKendry around 1833 but the only records were Catholic so I guess Presbyterian pre-1864 births are not included in the available records yet. The site tells you what records are there, anyway. If anyone is looking for a Catholic John McHenry/McKendry born between 1828 and 1838 just let me know - I have about seven, none of them mine... Thanks, everyone, for your interest - good luck! Loretta

Hi Lorraine Thanks for the info. I suppose any of these could be brothers of Martha Graham. Don't know any details of siblings, apart from the sister Agnes. I actually found details of the marriage of William Duff and Martha Graham on the "Ulster Historical Foundation" site. Witnesses listed were not obviously family members - George and James McCloy. Thanks again. Jen

Hi Brenda Thanks for the email. Can't be sure if there is any connection. The only actual information that I have is the wedding of William Duff and Martha Graham. (My GGGrandparents) The witnesses to their marriage were George and James McCloy. So no family clues there. From family stories, I believe that Martha was born in Antrim, but think that William was born in Fowlis Wester, Perthshire. Census descriptions of birthplace is inconsistent in the censuses. The names James, William, John and Robert occur throughout the generations, as well as Thomas, and later Samuel. The only Mary Duff I have found was born in 1863. Any thoughts? Cheers Jen

Hi Wendy The British Isles Vital Records index is a set of CD's put out by the LDS. I bought mine a couple of years ago cost $AUS25.00. Marriage index for Ireland starts 1845-1860, Births 1864-1875c. Regards Lorraine -----Original Message----- From: Robt & Wendy Stevenson [mailto:stevensons@odyssey.on.ca] Sent: Friday, 18 August 2006 12:03 AM To: IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Antrim] Re: [Antrim) STEVENSON in Ballymena Lorraine, Is this info available on line?

The certificate I was able to find had the names of fathers and their occupations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne mclean" <hnamclean@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:12 PM Subject: [Antrim] Marriage Certificates in Ulster > Can anyone tell me what information I would be likely to find on an Irish > marriage certificate if I ordered one from GRONI? > I already have the dates of my great grandparents wedding in Ballymoney, > however would it state the parents names etc? > Anne > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.2/422 - Release Date: 8/17/2006 > >

Thank Lorraine, it looks like I need records before the CD's. given the dates, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine & Tim Weaver" <twe38573@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 6:51 PM Subject: RE: [Antrim] Re: [Antrim) STEVENSON in Ballymena > Hi Wendy > > The British Isles Vital Records index is a set of CD's put out by the LDS. > I > bought mine a couple of years ago cost $AUS25.00. > > Marriage index for Ireland starts 1845-1860, Births 1864-1875c. > > Regards Lorraine > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robt & Wendy Stevenson [mailto:stevensons@odyssey.on.ca] > Sent: Friday, 18 August 2006 12:03 AM > To: IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Antrim] Re: [Antrim) STEVENSON in Ballymena > > Lorraine, > Is this info available on line? > > >

Hi Anne: Any certificates I have received have included (sometimes their age) their fathers names, where they lived and their father's occupation. It was great because I could do a parent check on Family Search Site -IGI's and sometimes come up the more brothers and sisters I didn't know about. It's worth ordering these certificates. Brenda Brampton, Ontario Anne mclean wrote: > Can anyone tell me what information I would be likely to find on an > Irish marriage certificate if I ordered one from GRONI? > I already have the dates of my great grandparents wedding in > Ballymoney, however would it state the parents names etc? > Anne >

Can anyone tell me what information I would be likely to find on an Irish marriage certificate if I ordered one from GRONI? I already have the dates of my great grandparents wedding in Ballymoney, however would it state the parents names etc? Anne

Do you find anything on Hutchinson? Bettye

Hi Jen: I believe I have a Duff in my family charts - not proven beyond absolute - but pretty sure there is a connection - now wondering if any connection to your family. I have a births of a children - James - 1864, Hugh - 1866, William - 1868, John -1871, Robert 1873 to James Cameron and Mary Duff in Ballymena, Antrim. Their marriage took place in 1852 in Kirkrinola, Ballymena. Kirkrinola is just outside of Ballymena and James's father was Thomas Cameron a weaver. Does any of this match with what you might have. Brenda Anderson Jen Watson wrote: >Hi. I'm new to lists. > >I also have weavers in Ballymena. > >What I know. >William DUFF (full age), weaver and son of Thomas DUFF married Martha Jane >GRAHAM (full age), servant and daughter of Samuel GRAHAM, weaver, in Craigs, >Church of Ireland, Ballymena on 13 May 1846. > >William and Martha had a couple of children, probably in Ireland (Lily and >Margaret) before moving to Crieff, Scotland, sometime between 1850 and 1855. > >>From Martha's death entry in 1910, age 85, her parents listed as were Samuel >GRAHAM and Margaret McLEAN. Samuel and Margaret had 5 chn but I have only >been able to find Martha and Agnes, who also moved to Crieff. Agnes never >married. > >What I would like to find out... > >When and where was Martha Jane Graham born. >When and where were Samuel GRAHAM and Margaret McLEAN married. >The list goes on... > >Thanks. >Jen. > > > > >

Hi Jen, A few marriages from Bellymena with father listed as Samuel Graham. Couldn't find any with father Thomas Duff. From the British Isles Vital Records Index 2nd ed. GRAHAM, David Age: 22 Marriage Wife: Betty DUNCAN Age: 26 Marriage Date: 11 Feb 1853 Recorded in: Ballymena, Antrim, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: Samuel GRAHAM Wife's Father: John DUNCAN Source: FHL Film 101343 Dates: 1853 - 1853 GRAHAM, David Age: 26 Marriage Wife: Ann MC CREA Age: 21 Marriage Date: 30 Jun 1856 Recorded in: Ballymena, Antrim, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: Samuel GRAHAM Wife's Father: Samuel MC CREA Source: FHL Film 101373 Dates: 1856 - 1856 GRAHAMS, John Age: 27 Marriage Wife: Rose GILMOUR Age: 22 Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1860 Recorded in: Ballymena, Antrim, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: Samuel GRAHAMS Wife's Father: Alexander GILMOUR Source: FHL Film 101413 Dates: 1860 - 1860 GRAHAM, Archibald Age: 21 Marriage Wife: Jane BELL Age: 19 Marriage Date: 29 Nov 1862 Recorded in: Ballymena, Antrim, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: Samuel GRAHAM Wife's Father: Robert BELL Source: FHL Film 101433 Dates: 1862 - 1862 Regards Lorraine -----Original Message----- From: Jen Watson [mailto:jenwatson@dodo.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 1:39 PM To: IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Antrim] GRAHAM and DUFF in Ballymena

Hi Bill, Have you thought about sending away for Annie's marriage certificate? http://www.groni.gov.uk/index.htm They will do a search 2 years either side of the date you give. Costs 10 GBP. Or I came across this web site, a user pays, not sure how good it is. There are a number of Annie Robinson marriages in Antrim for the time frame http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php?ai_home Regards Lorraine My Grandmother was Annie Robinson born about 1861- 1864 in County Antrim and possibly believe it was Ballymena . She married a McIntyre and they had 6 Children .

Hi, I also have Robinson in my database. Neil Robinson married Agnes or Nancy Curry. Their daughter Esther Jane Robinson born about 1834/35 in Parish of Racavan, Antrim, Ireland., married Robert Taggart 6/9/1855 in Buckna Presbyterian Church, Racavan, N.I. My wife is descended from this family. Do any of the names ring any bells with anyone? Take care All the best John TVFHS 3192 Livingston Scotland www.geocities.com/waddell1uk to find out about one Waddell family. www.angelfire.com/wv2/waddell1uk the story of a horse thief (GGGrandfather) who was transported to Australia in 1833. Family Tree at http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jbw and at http://www.gencircles.com/users/waddell1uk/1

. Could you put me on the right path for the Armstrong's. My grandfather came from a town in Ireland called Five Mile Town. We always thought it was a town 5 miles out of town but have found out it is actually a town in Antrim County. His family lived on an estate where they cared for the wealthy owners dogs. Being the oldest son he would have inherited the position. However, his dad passed when grandpa was 14 and the owner felt he was to young to take on the position so they lost their happy home. As far as we know he came to this country when he was about 17/18. He settled in MA. He married Susan who was, we think, 4 years his senior. He worked going from house to house stoking peoples furnaces in the early mornings. He passed away in MA in 1955/56. His name was William F. Armstrong. We think the F stood for Francis?? They had four children, Gordon, William, Leonard and Lavinia who passed away at age 16/17. William and Susan Armstrong left Ireland, in 1889. William became naturalized in 1897. And they lived in Boston, Massachusetts Any help would be appreciated. .Scott

Hi. I'm new to lists. I also have weavers in Ballymena. What I know. William DUFF (full age), weaver and son of Thomas DUFF married Martha Jane GRAHAM (full age), servant and daughter of Samuel GRAHAM, weaver, in Craigs, Church of Ireland, Ballymena on 13 May 1846. William and Martha had a couple of children, probably in Ireland (Lily and Margaret) before moving to Crieff, Scotland, sometime between 1850 and 1855. From Martha's death entry in 1910, age 85, her parents listed as were Samuel GRAHAM and Margaret McLEAN. Samuel and Margaret had 5 chn but I have only been able to find Martha and Agnes, who also moved to Crieff. Agnes never married. What I would like to find out... When and where was Martha Jane Graham born. When and where were Samuel GRAHAM and Margaret McLEAN married. The list goes on... Thanks. Jen.