Wouldn't it be nice if someone would be willing to fund that for a project? Or put together a plan and take up a collection to get it done. I'd help out... -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier Klintworth Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:43 PM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Yes, I have done that. I think I have looked at or had someone look at what there is at PRONI. I have been working more on finding things locally. Just in case someone needs to know, the records for the cemetery at Clough and Kirkinriola cemetery are kept at the Borough Council office in Ballymena. They will look in the book for a specific date, but not search it for a general family name. They will not let you look through the book. But sometimes sweet talking gets them to look for names :) The books should be transcribed or microfilmed because they are coming apart, but they said there is no money to do anything with them. -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Craven Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:20 PM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Sorry no-one mentioned dates for PRONI so was not aware you needed a much earlier period. Not sure what else PRONI has that you could look at? Maybe the freeholder's records they start 1700's I think. You can search those online? Regards Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier Klintworth Sent: 14 November 2006 16:22 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Thanks Pam. I have been to PRONI and the film for Clough starts at 1865. I was hoping you had found information from earlier than that some place else. Anne -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Craven Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:16 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Anne If you go on to PRONI site you can see what records they have Eg http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/private/presindx.htm Will give you their number for Clough church. Records were burned or pulped but many churches took a copy before sending to Dublin so fortunately in these cases the church records were saved. Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier Klintworth Sent: 14 November 2006 11:59 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Rhonda, I am curious about the marriage below. You say married at Clough - I had been told that the church records there were burned. Is that not correct? Anne -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:53 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Wendy Can you tell me if your Sloans have any link with James Sloan who married Jane? abt 1825 (at Clough) and whose children were Joseph, Jane, Margaret, Ann, Eliz, Martha, William and Robert. Regards, Ronda Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, I have done that. I think I have looked at or had someone look at what there is at PRONI. I have been working more on finding things locally. Just in case someone needs to know, the records for the cemetery at Clough and Kirkinriola cemetery are kept at the Borough Council office in Ballymena. They will look in the book for a specific date, but not search it for a general family name. They will not let you look through the book. But sometimes sweet talking gets them to look for names :) The books should be transcribed or microfilmed because they are coming apart, but they said there is no money to do anything with them. -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Craven Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:20 PM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Sorry no-one mentioned dates for PRONI so was not aware you needed a much earlier period. Not sure what else PRONI has that you could look at? Maybe the freeholder's records they start 1700's I think. You can search those online? Regards Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier Klintworth Sent: 14 November 2006 16:22 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Thanks Pam. I have been to PRONI and the film for Clough starts at 1865. I was hoping you had found information from earlier than that some place else. Anne -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Craven Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:16 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Anne If you go on to PRONI site you can see what records they have Eg http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/private/presindx.htm Will give you their number for Clough church. Records were burned or pulped but many churches took a copy before sending to Dublin so fortunately in these cases the church records were saved. Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier Klintworth Sent: 14 November 2006 11:59 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Rhonda, I am curious about the marriage below. You say married at Clough - I had been told that the church records there were burned. Is that not correct? Anne -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:53 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Wendy Can you tell me if your Sloans have any link with James Sloan who married Jane? abt 1825 (at Clough) and whose children were Joseph, Jane, Margaret, Ann, Eliz, Martha, William and Robert. Regards, Ronda Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gordon, I should have added that some of my recently found Y-DNA Johnston/e cousins had ancestors come to the States - the Carolinas and Pennsylvania...not sure about a James. I do have a Johnston Family Newsletter that I write every so often - not so often recently because of a move, but I can ask in the next one. Cliff. 'May the best you've ever seen Be the worst you'll ever see...' from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > Do you by any chance have a James Johnston who came to American about 1730 > from Antrim? > > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > > >> Denise, >> >> I've read some of the responses to your question and would like to add >> (correct) a few items. >> >> The Presbyterian Church and the Church of Ireland are two separate and >> distinct Protestant denominations with significant organizational and >> theological differences. Some Presbyterians prefer the use of the word >> Restoration to Reformation when referring to the great movement, although >> technically it is a Reformation Church. The Presbyterian Church was >> originally known as the Church of Scotland. The name was changed for a >> more >> universal appeal/application. Our Johnston/e family goes back to the >> Church >> of Scotland. >> >> The British Crown at one time discriminated against both the Roman >> Catholic >> and Presbyterian Churches in Ireland so that a rather peculiar situation >> arose. Religious Presbyterian Scots who went to Ireland became C. of I. >> members to avoid the discrimination (as reportedly did a very few Roman >> Catholics), but they quietly returned to Scotland and the Presbyterian >> Church for important events such as baptisms, marriages, etc.. Such was >> the >> case with our Johnston/e family. My ggggrandfather was born in Scotland, >> went to Ireland, married and had children in Ireland. Our oral family >> history indicates that the whole family would go through the expected >> religious ceremonies at the local C. of I. Church in Ireland and then go >> back to Scotland and a Presbyterian Church for second baptisms, marriages >> (love is better the second time around?...lol..., etc.. The net result >> is >> a >> real nightmare for any of my family trying to trace our "roots". Others >> have the same problem too. >> >> As for which denomination has how many members - check out the census >> records or whatever is available. My understanding was that the >> Protestants >> were in the majority in Northern Ireland, but that the Roman Catholics >> were >> "catching up"...dunno for certain. >> >> Cliff. Johnston >> 'May the best you've ever seen >> Be the worst you'll ever see...' >> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <DSNJ004@aol.com> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:30 PM >> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion >> >> >>> Hello Listers, >>> >>> It's great to see all of the activity lately. >>> >>> Pardon my ignorance but I need to ask. I was raised Roman Catholic. I >>> asked >>> my father what his father was raised and he told me Protestant. I have >>> reading a lot on the list about the Presbyterians. >>> >>> Which is more prevelant in Northern Ireland? Is it the Presbyterians >>> that >>> are connected to the Church of Ireland? >>> >>> My maiden name is LOAN. I have a torn copy of my supposed great, great >>> grandfather's Naturalization Paper from Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, >>> Ohio, >>> USA. >>> Apparently he could not write as there is an X on the signature line and >>> someone >>> wrote out his name as JOHN LONE. >>> >>> My Aunt tells me that the family was from Londonderry but noone like to >>> mention London so they all said Derry. She also states that the family >>> name used >>> to be O'LOANE and the O was dropped and then the E. I found a site that >>> has an >>> old form of the name as O'LUANE or O'LUAIN, the english version being >>> LAMB. >>> >>> I have no other papers and no proof of where this family is from. I am >>> having a hard time tracing any family. >>> >>> My grandfather, Charles LOAN has been gone since 1975, he was born in >>> Cleveland, Ohio in 1900. There is a possibility that there may be some >>> Scottish on >>> his father's side. >>> >>> If anyone can clarify my religion questions it would be a big help. If >>> you >>> have ever come across the LOAN/LONE name I would love to hear from you. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Denise S. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: >>> 11/13/2006 >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 11/13/2006 > >

Gordon, Not that I'm aware of. I had my Y-DNA tested a year ago. We had some oral family history that said that our Johnston/e family was "different" from the other Scottish Johnston/es, but no one knew what the difference was. I expected my Y-DNA test to be Rb2, Celtic, like most Johnston/es; however, it came back I1c (since revised to someother alphabet soup designation), Danish Viking - definately different from most of the other Johnston/es. It did put me in touch with a handful of other genetic "cousins", one of whom has his genealogy traced back to Poldean and the Old Gang of Wamphray. Of the handful of my recently discovered genetic cousins we all seem to have had our Scottish ancestors leave Scotland about the same time - the sale of Poldean in the 1740's or within a generation of the sale. A recently discovered Y-DNA cousin does have a James Johnston, b. 1798 in Co. Antrim and married to Margaret Groves. His James went to Upper Canada as did my gggrandfather, Robert "Red Robin" Johnston, b. 1807 in Ireland, and bought a farm in the adjacent county to where our homestead was. I do not know where in Ireland my Red Robin was born. He did have a brother, Archibald Johnston, b. 1815 in Ireland, again no location. If anything looks familiar, let's see what we can come up with. If you have a male Johnston still alive I'd suggest having him test his Y-DNA. It has been invaluable to many of us. Cliff. 'May the best you've ever seen Be the worst you'll ever see...' from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > Do you by any chance have a James Johnston who came to American about 1730 > from Antrim? > > Gordon

Do you by any chance have a James Johnston who came to American about 1730 from Antrim? Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > Denise, > > I've read some of the responses to your question and would like to add > (correct) a few items. > > The Presbyterian Church and the Church of Ireland are two separate and > distinct Protestant denominations with significant organizational and > theological differences. Some Presbyterians prefer the use of the word > Restoration to Reformation when referring to the great movement, although > technically it is a Reformation Church. The Presbyterian Church was > originally known as the Church of Scotland. The name was changed for a > more > universal appeal/application. Our Johnston/e family goes back to the > Church > of Scotland. > > The British Crown at one time discriminated against both the Roman > Catholic > and Presbyterian Churches in Ireland so that a rather peculiar situation > arose. Religious Presbyterian Scots who went to Ireland became C. of I. > members to avoid the discrimination (as reportedly did a very few Roman > Catholics), but they quietly returned to Scotland and the Presbyterian > Church for important events such as baptisms, marriages, etc.. Such was > the > case with our Johnston/e family. My ggggrandfather was born in Scotland, > went to Ireland, married and had children in Ireland. Our oral family > history indicates that the whole family would go through the expected > religious ceremonies at the local C. of I. Church in Ireland and then go > back to Scotland and a Presbyterian Church for second baptisms, marriages > (love is better the second time around?...lol..., etc.. The net result is > a > real nightmare for any of my family trying to trace our "roots". Others > have the same problem too. > > As for which denomination has how many members - check out the census > records or whatever is available. My understanding was that the > Protestants > were in the majority in Northern Ireland, but that the Roman Catholics > were > "catching up"...dunno for certain. > > Cliff. Johnston > 'May the best you've ever seen > Be the worst you'll ever see...' > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <DSNJ004@aol.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:30 PM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > > >> Hello Listers, >> >> It's great to see all of the activity lately. >> >> Pardon my ignorance but I need to ask. I was raised Roman Catholic. I >> asked >> my father what his father was raised and he told me Protestant. I have >> reading a lot on the list about the Presbyterians. >> >> Which is more prevelant in Northern Ireland? Is it the Presbyterians >> that >> are connected to the Church of Ireland? >> >> My maiden name is LOAN. I have a torn copy of my supposed great, great >> grandfather's Naturalization Paper from Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio, >> USA. >> Apparently he could not write as there is an X on the signature line and >> someone >> wrote out his name as JOHN LONE. >> >> My Aunt tells me that the family was from Londonderry but noone like to >> mention London so they all said Derry. She also states that the family >> name used >> to be O'LOANE and the O was dropped and then the E. I found a site that >> has an >> old form of the name as O'LUANE or O'LUAIN, the english version being >> LAMB. >> >> I have no other papers and no proof of where this family is from. I am >> having a hard time tracing any family. >> >> My grandfather, Charles LOAN has been gone since 1975, he was born in >> Cleveland, Ohio in 1900. There is a possibility that there may be some >> Scottish on >> his father's side. >> >> If anyone can clarify my religion questions it would be a big help. If >> you >> have ever come across the LOAN/LONE name I would love to hear from you. >> >> Thank you, >> Denise S. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: >> 11/13/2006 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Going by memory The Church of Scotland would be the Presbyterians, however there were several changes over the centuries and name changes, so sometimes its hard to tell, but if they used the term Kirk or Convenanter you can be sure they were Presbyterians.It maybe of interest to the Ireland readers, but the settlers in the USA did use use the word Kirk, they call them churches which is interesting as they brought over such names as Greencastle Antrim, Scotland, Letterkenny, Lurgan and many more. Lower Pennsylvania is today studed with such names. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "jennifer lawson" <jelawson@bigpond.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > Not sure if this helps but when I have been going through Australian > shipping lists even members of the same family travelling together gave a > variety of answers to the question of their religion. One family in > particular had several members (siblings and cousins) and their wives and > children and although most said "Presbyterian" some said "Church of > Scotland" and others "Protestant". I imagine, like many things, the > terms > became interchangeable. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:32 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > > >> Denise, >> >> I've read some of the responses to your question and would like to add >> (correct) a few items. >> >> The Presbyterian Church and the Church of Ireland are two separate and >> distinct Protestant denominations with significant organizational and >> theological differences. Some Presbyterians prefer the use of the word >> Restoration to Reformation when referring to the great movement, although >> technically it is a Reformation Church. The Presbyterian Church was >> originally known as the Church of Scotland. The name was changed for a >> more >> universal appeal/application. Our Johnston/e family goes back to the >> Church >> of Scotland. >> >> The British Crown at one time discriminated against both the Roman >> Catholic >> and Presbyterian Churches in Ireland so that a rather peculiar situation >> arose. Religious Presbyterian Scots who went to Ireland became C. of I. >> members to avoid the discrimination (as reportedly did a very few Roman >> Catholics), but they quietly returned to Scotland and the Presbyterian >> Church for important events such as baptisms, marriages, etc.. Such was >> the >> case with our Johnston/e family. My ggggrandfather was born in Scotland, >> went to Ireland, married and had children in Ireland. Our oral family >> history indicates that the whole family would go through the expected >> religious ceremonies at the local C. of I. Church in Ireland and then go >> back to Scotland and a Presbyterian Church for second baptisms, marriages >> (love is better the second time around?...lol..., etc.. The net result >> is >> a >> real nightmare for any of my family trying to trace our "roots". Others >> have the same problem too. >> >> As for which denomination has how many members - check out the census >> records or whatever is available. My understanding was that the >> Protestants >> were in the majority in Northern Ireland, but that the Roman Catholics >> were >> "catching up"...dunno for certain. >> >> Cliff. Johnston >> 'May the best you've ever seen >> Be the worst you'll ever see...' >> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <DSNJ004@aol.com> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:30 PM >> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion >> >> >>> Hello Listers, >>> >>> It's great to see all of the activity lately. >>> >>> Pardon my ignorance but I need to ask. I was raised Roman Catholic. I >>> asked >>> my father what his father was raised and he told me Protestant. I have >>> reading a lot on the list about the Presbyterians. >>> >>> Which is more prevelant in Northern Ireland? Is it the Presbyterians >>> that >>> are connected to the Church of Ireland? >>> >>> My maiden name is LOAN. I have a torn copy of my supposed great, great >>> grandfather's Naturalization Paper from Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, >>> Ohio, >>> USA. >>> Apparently he could not write as there is an X on the signature line and >>> someone >>> wrote out his name as JOHN LONE. >>> >>> My Aunt tells me that the family was from Londonderry but noone like to >>> mention London so they all said Derry. She also states that the family >>> name used >>> to be O'LOANE and the O was dropped and then the E. I found a site that >>> has an >>> old form of the name as O'LUANE or O'LUAIN, the english version being >>> LAMB. >>> >>> I have no other papers and no proof of where this family is from. I am >>> having a hard time tracing any family. >>> >>> My grandfather, Charles LOAN has been gone since 1975, he was born in >>> Cleveland, Ohio in 1900. There is a possibility that there may be some >>> Scottish on >>> his father's side. >>> >>> If anyone can clarify my religion questions it would be a big help. If >>> you >>> have ever come across the LOAN/LONE name I would love to hear from you. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Denise S. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: >>> 11/13/2006 >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anne, I would love a copy of the report, if you don't mind. Thanks. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Shier Klintworth" <ashierk@yahoo.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks > My Stevensons were from Carnlea and Kildowney. Mary lived in the town of > Ballymena because she married John Smith. He had been married to her > cousin > Margaret who died quite young. He was a very wealthy man. When Mary's > parents and all of her siblings left for America in 1860 or so, Mary > stayed > behind. I have a theory that she was left behind to care for her uncle > John > Morton. She was not married at that time. She didn't marry John Smith > until > 1871. > > I have never been able to connect my Stevensons to the Stevensons that > lived > in town. But I also know I don't know who all of them were. I have > tracked > down a few of the people in the generations before my William, but I am > sure > there must be other ones I don't know about. > > The original farm where my William Stevenson was born is on Kildowney Rd. > and is owned by a descendant of the Stevensons. I can send you a report > on > what I have for this family if you would like. > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robt & Wendy > Stevenson > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:31 PM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks > > Anne, > I believe we have corresponded before but I didn't realise that you were > connected to STEVENSON. My family is also from Ballymena! And we are > connected to RUSSELL. We have John and Mary Rankin Stevenson living in > Ahoghill/Galgorm area, but apparently one of the family ran the > haberdashering shop on the main street in Ballymena (it was still there in > late 1970's when I visited). John and Mary had sons Robert born 1798 > (mine); Philip; John; and William Clatworthy. Another son stayed in > Ireland. A daughter Margaret took care of the parents when the first 4 > brothers emigrated to Canada between 1825 and 1848. Our family apparently > came with neighbours from either Ahoghill area, or where they had lived > previously: Sloan, Clark and Russell. > Can you find a connection? Your letter was written from William Street, > Ballymena. My bet that is near or is actually the shop! > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Shier Klintworth" <ashierk@yahoo.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:52 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks > > >> Possibly you would be interested in the little bit of Park information in >> letter at the bottom of this. My Stevenson family was from Carlea. I >> have >> been there twice and also to Killymurris church and graveyard. Let me >> know >> if there is anything I could help you with. I met a woman named Irene >> Park >> when I was there but I don't have her address. The last I knew, she was >> still alive as was her sister. She knew a lot about the people from >> Carlea, >> but when I was there that time I didn't know enough about my Stevensons >> and >> Mortons to even ask the right questions. She was quite old and may not >> be >> alive anymore. She lived on Carnlea Rd. But I could ask my cousin to >> find >> out. She isn't listed in the directory anymore. There are a couple >> Parks >> listed in the directory that live in Glarryford which is where >> Killymurris >> church is. >> >> >> I know some of the people from Carlea went to the Clough Pres. Church in >> Clough. There is a very old graveyard there. On the 1864 Stipend list >> of >> Clough Presbyterian Church there is a John Park - Pew #16, and Patrick >> Park >> pew #71. Wm. Russell pew #29, Alexander Russle pew #72 (he is buried in >> Clough Cemetery with wife Jane and daughter in law Jane and son Wm.),and >> Thomas Russle pew #76. >> >> There is an Alexander Park buried at Clough cemetery - he died age 74 in >> 1907 and Magaret his wife died 1917 age 80, James who died 1908 age 33 >> and >> another Alexander son of the above one died 1968 ae 89, and his wife >> Annie. >> Also a Robert who died in 1979. Probably none that you care about. I >> have >> a partial transcription of Clough cemetery. >> >> >> LETTER FROM MARY STEVENSON SMITH TO HER BROTHER ADAM IN IOWA. MARY IS >> THE >> DAUGHTER OF WILLIAM AND LYDIA MORTON STEVENSON. >> >> "William St. >> Ballymena >> >> June 10th, 1904 >> >> My Dear Brother, >> >> We were very glad to have your kind and welcome letter and to see from it >> you are all quite well. You will think us very long of replying to it, >> but >> you must not think I appreciated it any the less, but as I am not so good >> at >> writing myself as I want to, I have to be more or less dependent on >> someone >> else. This is your cousin Adam Stevenson's eldest daughter that is >> writing >> you now but of course you don't know anything about his family. >> >> We are both quite well at present but indeed the past Winter has been >> pretty >> severe on me. I am hobbled with rheumatism and you yourself have a fair >> idea what damp, wet weather means to those who are. We are enjoying >> beautiful weather now and it makes me feel so much better. We have a >> little >> pony and trap and we drive out quite often to the country which is very >> refreshing. >> >> You asked about some of our neighbors. Indeed there are so many changes, >> it >> would be difficult for me to tell you about them all. I will however do >> my >> best to remember all that I think would interest you. >> >> Andrew Kerr is still alive and has been enjoying (I should judge from his >> robust appearance) excellent health up till a month or two ago when he >> was >> ill for some time, but I think he is quite well again. He is living at >> present in Casemento Castle with people named Calderwood who have part of >> it >> rented. He sold his farm some years ago and has been living on his means >> since. His old sister Jane who used to live with him died 9 or 10 years >> ago. James and William his brothers are also both dead. A son of James >> died last February, Adam Stevenson Kerr. There is only one more son and >> daughter left who still live in the old place. William's family are all >> married but one son who lives at home, a widow sister keeps house for >> him. >> She was married to cousin James Stevenson, who died four years ago. >> Uncle >> and Aunt Stevenson are both dead some years ago. Their farm was sold >> after >> young James died and John Adams, a brother in law of Adam's bought it. >> >> Robert Hanna died this Spring and his son John is living on the farm. >> Mary >> Jane Harbinson was married to a man named Campbell, who died shortly >> after >> they were married. She has two of a family, little girls the eldest is >> about 11 years of age. She lives on her Grandfather's farm in the >> Cabrogh. >> Lydia is married in America. I think she is in New York State. Susan >> was >> married to Adam Harbinson, her cousin, but is dead and he is married >> again >> to Annie Morton. >> >> James Cumming is still alive and looks quite fresh for a man of his age. >> David Park is dead six or seven years ago and a son of Robert Guy's lives >> on >> his farm. His family live in coffer houses through the country and work >> for >> the farmers. >> >> We received your photos alright, and I need not tell you how glad I was >> to >> have it. John and I will have ours taken sometime soon and will send you >> ours soon as we get them. >> >> I hope this will find you all quite well, as it leaves us at present. >> >> Your affect. Sister, >> >> Mary Smith." >> >> >> Anne Shier Klintworth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg >> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:05 PM >> To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks >> >> Thankyou Nevin for your reply. >> The Parks all seem to come from Carnlea. >> Though they mainly married at Killymurris >> they are not all buried there, although some may have >> moved away. >> Can anyone tell me where the Presbyterian Church in >> the Parish of Kirkinriola is? >> >> Regards, Ronda >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm trying to respond to several enquiries. I have in my 'old fashioned file' system a letter from a church with our birth dates, and will check it out later and advise. Our family at one time attended the Grace Moravian Church near Ahoghill, and we visited the church in the late 70's. Parish registers and diaries were still there. Our family names are as follows: John STEVENSON and Mary RANKIN lived in Ahogill and had children (although family lore says they were from Ballymena, and there was till a shop there in 1970's): William STEVENSON born 1795, married HOPKINS, emigrated Canada; Robert STEVENSON born 1798 married Elizabeth Conaughty (more later to connect to SLOAN),emigrated to Canada 1848; John STEVENSON Margaret STEVENSON, Jan 4, 1804 Philip Henry STEVENSON b. Dec 21 1805 Samuel STEVENSON twin to Philip Sarah STEVENSON, born Jan 15 08 Mary STEVENSON, born Mar 29 1810 Anne STEVENSON, born april 26, 1812 (William, Robert,John and Philip emigrated to Canada. Apparently their mother, who ran the 'shop' gave each of the brothers a cup and saucer which we still have. William and father John were tailors. One of the daughters emigrated to New York area, and one stayed home to take care of the aging parents) Robert (above, bor 1798) STEVENSON and Elizabeth had 8 children, some of whom married in Ireland before emigrating to Canada as a group: John James STEVENSON born 1824, in Gloonan; Sam STEVENSON born1827 in Ballyminstra married Mary Keown (born 1844); Sarah Jane STEVENSON born Greenhill 1829 m. Robert Clare; Eliza Margaret, bor 1832, married Taylor? Mary STEVENSON, born Cardonaghan 1834, married Hugh Clark (born 1821 Antrim); Nancy STEVENSON, born Cardonaghan, 1837 married David SLOAN (born 1835 Antrim), Rose STEVENSON, born 1839 also married a SLOAN; Hugh STEVENSON, born 1842, married Dorothea SOMERVILLE. I'll get the church info from the 'archives' upstairs and maybe some more names/dates and forward. Wendy

Hello Morag, One of my ancestors Mary Campbell married a Robert Patton in Ballycastle in 1872 and moved to Port Glasgow about 1879. Can you see any connection to this couple. Mary.

Denise, I've read some of the responses to your question and would like to add (correct) a few items. The Presbyterian Church and the Church of Ireland are two separate and distinct Protestant denominations with significant organizational and theological differences. Some Presbyterians prefer the use of the word Restoration to Reformation when referring to the great movement, although technically it is a Reformation Church. The Presbyterian Church was originally known as the Church of Scotland. The name was changed for a more universal appeal/application. Our Johnston/e family goes back to the Church of Scotland. The British Crown at one time discriminated against both the Roman Catholic and Presbyterian Churches in Ireland so that a rather peculiar situation arose. Religious Presbyterian Scots who went to Ireland became C. of I. members to avoid the discrimination (as reportedly did a very few Roman Catholics), but they quietly returned to Scotland and the Presbyterian Church for important events such as baptisms, marriages, etc.. Such was the case with our Johnston/e family. My ggggrandfather was born in Scotland, went to Ireland, married and had children in Ireland. Our oral family history indicates that the whole family would go through the expected religious ceremonies at the local C. of I. Church in Ireland and then go back to Scotland and a Presbyterian Church for second baptisms, marriages (love is better the second time around?...lol..., etc.. The net result is a real nightmare for any of my family trying to trace our "roots". Others have the same problem too. As for which denomination has how many members - check out the census records or whatever is available. My understanding was that the Protestants were in the majority in Northern Ireland, but that the Roman Catholics were "catching up"...dunno for certain. Cliff. Johnston 'May the best you've ever seen Be the worst you'll ever see...' from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: <DSNJ004@aol.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:30 PM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > Hello Listers, > > It's great to see all of the activity lately. > > Pardon my ignorance but I need to ask. I was raised Roman Catholic. I > asked > my father what his father was raised and he told me Protestant. I have > reading a lot on the list about the Presbyterians. > > Which is more prevelant in Northern Ireland? Is it the Presbyterians that > are connected to the Church of Ireland? > > My maiden name is LOAN. I have a torn copy of my supposed great, great > grandfather's Naturalization Paper from Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio, > USA. > Apparently he could not write as there is an X on the signature line and > someone > wrote out his name as JOHN LONE. > > My Aunt tells me that the family was from Londonderry but noone like to > mention London so they all said Derry. She also states that the family > name used > to be O'LOANE and the O was dropped and then the E. I found a site that > has an > old form of the name as O'LUANE or O'LUAIN, the english version being > LAMB. > > I have no other papers and no proof of where this family is from. I am > having a hard time tracing any family. > > My grandfather, Charles LOAN has been gone since 1975, he was born in > Cleveland, Ohio in 1900. There is a possibility that there may be some > Scottish on > his father's side. > > If anyone can clarify my religion questions it would be a big help. If > you > have ever come across the LOAN/LONE name I would love to hear from you. > > Thank you, > Denise S. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 11/13/2006 > >

Gordon There is Ahoghill 1st, Trinity and Brookside according to PRONI's records also just down the road is Grange Presbyterian. Grange certainly has a cemetery still used today not sure about the others? Regards Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gordon crooks Sent: 14 November 2006 14:35 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Does anyone know if there is a old Presbyterian Church in or near Ahoghill, Glagorm estate and if it has a cemetery? Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > Ronda > > I have a Jane SLOAN who married John CUNNINGHAM in 1824 they were my gt gt > gt grandparents. I wonder if she could be a sister to your James? Not > sure > where Clough is - if it is by Newcastle then probably not same one as my > family was married at Ballyscullion/Grange Presbyterian church which is > near > to Ballymena/Randlestown. > > Regards Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg > Sent: 14 November 2006 05:53 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Wendy > > Can you tell me if your Sloans have any link with > James Sloan who married Jane? abt 1825 (at Clough) and > whose children were Joseph, Jane, Margaret, Ann, Eliz, > Martha, William and Robert. > > Regards, Ronda > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Denise, Here is a link to the religious denominational statistics for Northern Ireland _http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/ni/religion.htm_ (http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/ni/religion.htm) The term Protestant is often used for all those Christians who are not Catholic but, in the term 'Protestant, Catholic and Dissenter', Protestant usually means a member of the episcopalian Church of Ireland. In the Griffith's Valuations 1848-1864 O'Loan, O'Loan and O'Lone are mostly to be found in Co Antrim. Loan is most common in Co Londonderry with some in Cos Tyrone and Antrim. Loane is more commonly found in Fermanagh and Cork but exists in the already named counties. Lone is most common in Co Tyrone. Regards Nevin

Hi Denise, I can't help you with most of this...but I thought it interesting that you said: "My Aunt tells me that the family was from Londonderry but noone like to mention London so they all said Derry." My father was named "Dermont Arlington" (anyone know the origin of "Arlington?), and his father's middle name was "Dermont", and his grandfather's name was "Dermont Arlington". Does anyone know the origination of "Dermont" as a name? And I know that my father was called "Derry" (instead of Dermont) by everyone when he was growing up (anyone who knew him as a baby/boy/young adult knew im as "Derry", but professionally he went by "Del", which is what my mother always called him). I had been told his grandfather, whom he was named after, was "Big Derry" and he was "Little Derry." He was always "Dad" and "Del" to me. I just was prompted by this email to comment on that, since I had always wondered. As far as I can tell, my father's side hailed from Antrium, Ulster, Ireland (he is a descendent of Andrew REED and Jane MURRAY REED) circa 1730-ish (if anyone knows more, please, fill me in, because that's really all I know, except that they ended up in Townsend, Lincoln, Maine (later Boothbay, Maine). In what seems a strange co-incidence, my father's mother's side (McLaughlin's) seem to have come from Coleraine, Ireland, on the ship "Hercules", in 1634 (though I haven't been able to proof-positive that yet), and that's only 25-30 miles from Antrium (maybe 40 kilometers?), and 100 years earlier...To the best of my knowledge, the ancestor that came over on that ship was George McLaughlin, or possibly his father, Phillip McLaughlin. In what might be, if it all pulls together, an even stranger co-incidence, that ship was partially owned (so I've heard) by a Hatch, and his family sailed with him on that voyage...and my mother is a Hatch, and they have been here a "very long time", but I can't confirm anything. I'm willing to bet a number of people who read this will either be able to confirm or deny any of these speculations...if anyone can, anything that gets me further to the true history is appreciated!!! :-) Thanks so much!!! -David Reed David (me!) / Dermont Arlington Reed / Clifton Dermont Reed / Dermont Arlington Reed / David Alvin Reed / Washington Reed / David Reed / Joseph Reed / Andrew Reed ------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DSNJ004@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:30 PM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion Hello Listers, It's great to see all of the activity lately. Pardon my ignorance but I need to ask. I was raised Roman Catholic. I asked my father what his father was raised and he told me Protestant. I have reading a lot on the list about the Presbyterians. Which is more prevelant in Northern Ireland? Is it the Presbyterians that are connected to the Church of Ireland? My maiden name is LOAN. I have a torn copy of my supposed great, great grandfather's Naturalization Paper from Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio, USA. Apparently he could not write as there is an X on the signature line and someone wrote out his name as JOHN LONE. My Aunt tells me that the family was from Londonderry but noone like to mention London so they all said Derry. She also states that the family name used to be O'LOANE and the O was dropped and then the E. I found a site that has an old form of the name as O'LUANE or O'LUAIN, the english version being LAMB. I have no other papers and no proof of where this family is from. I am having a hard time tracing any family. My grandfather, Charles LOAN has been gone since 1975, he was born in Cleveland, Ohio in 1900. There is a possibility that there may be some Scottish on his father's side. If anyone can clarify my religion questions it would be a big help. If you have ever come across the LOAN/LONE name I would love to hear from you. Thank you, Denise S. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Denise S. wrote: <Which is more prevelant in Northern Ireland? Is it the Presbyterians that are connected to the Church of Ireland?> As I understand it in Ulster (NI) Protestants are the majority, closely followed by the minority Roman Catholics. Among the Protestants the Presbyterian Denomination is the largest. Most of these folks are descendents from Scot Presbyterians settled during the clearances in th 1600's. The next largest Protestant Denomination would be the Church of Ireland (Anglican) composed mostly of English settlers and converts from the Roman Catholic church. The Church of Ireland was the state supported church in all of Ireland while it was under English rule. There are exceptions of course but basically it is and was so. David Nicholson "When they ask why we died, tell them because our father's lied" Rudyard Kipling upon his son's death in WWI

Hello Listers, It's great to see all of the activity lately. Pardon my ignorance but I need to ask. I was raised Roman Catholic. I asked my father what his father was raised and he told me Protestant. I have reading a lot on the list about the Presbyterians. Which is more prevelant in Northern Ireland? Is it the Presbyterians that are connected to the Church of Ireland? My maiden name is LOAN. I have a torn copy of my supposed great, great grandfather's Naturalization Paper from Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio, USA. Apparently he could not write as there is an X on the signature line and someone wrote out his name as JOHN LONE. My Aunt tells me that the family was from Londonderry but noone like to mention London so they all said Derry. She also states that the family name used to be O'LOANE and the O was dropped and then the E. I found a site that has an old form of the name as O'LUANE or O'LUAIN, the english version being LAMB. I have no other papers and no proof of where this family is from. I am having a hard time tracing any family. My grandfather, Charles LOAN has been gone since 1975, he was born in Cleveland, Ohio in 1900. There is a possibility that there may be some Scottish on his father's side. If anyone can clarify my religion questions it would be a big help. If you have ever come across the LOAN/LONE name I would love to hear from you. Thank you, Denise S.

Anne If you go on to PRONI site you can see what records they have Eg http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/private/presindx.htm Will give you their number for Clough church. Records were burned or pulped but many churches took a copy before sending to Dublin so fortunately in these cases the church records were saved. Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier Klintworth Sent: 14 November 2006 11:59 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Rhonda, I am curious about the marriage below. You say married at Clough - I had been told that the church records there were burned. Is that not correct? Anne -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:53 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Wendy Can you tell me if your Sloans have any link with James Sloan who married Jane? abt 1825 (at Clough) and whose children were Joseph, Jane, Margaret, Ann, Eliz, Martha, William and Robert. Regards, Ronda Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Denise. Ireland north and south were historically (and still are) majorially Catholic. Presbyterians (several faiths) are more closely associated with the churches of England and Ireland. As with everywhere we look, there are many exceptions. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <DSNJ004@aol.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:30 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > Hello Listers, > > It's great to see all of the activity lately. > > Pardon my ignorance but I need to ask. I was raised Roman Catholic. I > asked > my father what his father was raised and he told me Protestant. I have > reading a lot on the list about the Presbyterians. > > Which is more prevelant in Northern Ireland? Is it the Presbyterians that > are connected to the Church of Ireland? > > My maiden name is LOAN. I have a torn copy of my supposed great, great > grandfather's Naturalization Paper from Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio, > USA. > Apparently he could not write as there is an X on the signature line and > someone > wrote out his name as JOHN LONE. > > My Aunt tells me that the family was from Londonderry but noone like to > mention London so they all said Derry. She also states that the family > name used > to be O'LOANE and the O was dropped and then the E. I found a site that > has an > old form of the name as O'LUANE or O'LUAIN, the english version being > LAMB. > > I have no other papers and no proof of where this family is from. I am > having a hard time tracing any family. > > My grandfather, Charles LOAN has been gone since 1975, he was born in > Cleveland, Ohio in 1900. There is a possibility that there may be some > Scottish on > his father's side. > > If anyone can clarify my religion questions it would be a big help. If > you > have ever come across the LOAN/LONE name I would love to hear from you. > > Thank you, > Denise S. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 11/14/2006 > >

Ronda I have a Jane SLOAN who married John CUNNINGHAM in 1824 they were my gt gt gt grandparents. I wonder if she could be a sister to your James? Not sure where Clough is - if it is by Newcastle then probably not same one as my family was married at Ballyscullion/Grange Presbyterian church which is near to Ballymena/Randlestown. Regards Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg Sent: 14 November 2006 05:53 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Wendy Can you tell me if your Sloans have any link with James Sloan who married Jane? abt 1825 (at Clough) and whose children were Joseph, Jane, Margaret, Ann, Eliz, Martha, William and Robert. Regards, Ronda Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The following link lists the earliest dates for the films at PRONI for Presbyterian church records: http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/antrim/antpres.html -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gordon crooks Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:45 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Pam: How far back are these church records at PRONI? The reason I ask is that in trying to find my ancestors in 1709 and especially in Dr. Alexander Colville's tenant records - that they do NOT exist until well into the 1800's and the reason I was trying to find this out is that I was told long ago no church records existed. I find this hard to understand as the Ulsterscots who came to Franklin Co., Pa.around 1730 and later kept marriage and baptism records even before they had a church, so the lack of them in Antrim is hard to understand, in spite of the four courts fires. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > Gordon > > There is Ahoghill 1st, Trinity and Brookside according to PRONI's records > also just down the road is Grange Presbyterian. Grange certainly has a > cemetery still used today not sure about the others? > > Regards Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gordon crooks > Sent: 14 November 2006 14:35 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Does anyone know if there is a old Presbyterian Church in or near > Ahoghill, > Glagorm estate and if it has a cemetery? > > Gordon Crooks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:09 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > >> Ronda >> >> I have a Jane SLOAN who married John CUNNINGHAM in 1824 they were my gt >> gt >> gt grandparents. I wonder if she could be a sister to your James? Not >> sure >> where Clough is - if it is by Newcastle then probably not same one as my >> family was married at Ballyscullion/Grange Presbyterian church which is >> near >> to Ballymena/Randlestown. >> >> Regards Pam >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg >> Sent: 14 November 2006 05:53 >> To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan >> >> Wendy >> >> Can you tell me if your Sloans have any link with >> James Sloan who married Jane? abt 1825 (at Clough) and >> whose children were Joseph, Jane, Margaret, Ann, Eliz, >> Martha, William and Robert. >> >> Regards, Ronda >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pam: How far back are these church records at PRONI? The reason I ask is that in trying to find my ancestors in 1709 and especially in Dr. Alexander Colville's tenant records - that they do NOT exist until well into the 1800's and the reason I was trying to find this out is that I was told long ago no church records existed. I find this hard to understand as the Ulsterscots who came to Franklin Co., Pa.around 1730 and later kept marriage and baptism records even before they had a church, so the lack of them in Antrim is hard to understand, in spite of the four courts fires. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > Gordon > > There is Ahoghill 1st, Trinity and Brookside according to PRONI's records > also just down the road is Grange Presbyterian. Grange certainly has a > cemetery still used today not sure about the others? > > Regards Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gordon crooks > Sent: 14 November 2006 14:35 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Does anyone know if there is a old Presbyterian Church in or near > Ahoghill, > Glagorm estate and if it has a cemetery? > > Gordon Crooks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:09 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > >> Ronda >> >> I have a Jane SLOAN who married John CUNNINGHAM in 1824 they were my gt >> gt >> gt grandparents. I wonder if she could be a sister to your James? Not >> sure >> where Clough is - if it is by Newcastle then probably not same one as my >> family was married at Ballyscullion/Grange Presbyterian church which is >> near >> to Ballymena/Randlestown. >> >> Regards Pam >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg >> Sent: 14 November 2006 05:53 >> To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan >> >> Wendy >> >> Can you tell me if your Sloans have any link with >> James Sloan who married Jane? abt 1825 (at Clough) and >> whose children were Joseph, Jane, Margaret, Ann, Eliz, >> Martha, William and Robert. >> >> Regards, Ronda >> >> Send instant messages to your online friends >> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >