She is in Vancouver, now making a movie...... come on back! R ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Reed" <DaveReed@midmaine.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > Pamela Anderson and I share the same birthday...hehehehe...same year, same > day. Hey, it's as close to famous as I'll ever get! :) (It's also as > close to Pamela Anderson as I'll ever get!!!) *LOL* > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Enns > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:56 AM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > > Yes, I can believe the beer story, as Canadians can drink at 19 years & > our > beer is stronger. I believe you came for one of these 2 reasons. ( and the > girls are cuter... ie Pamela Anderson!) > > Ruth > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:18 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > > >> Yes I agree with you on researchers etc. I know two in Dublin and >> hesitate >> to ask them much and take up their time, but by the same token I have >> supplied both of them with American info which seems to fascinate them. >> Do you really live between a Amish & Mennonite community? Exactly what is >> a >> Mexican Mennonite? I have never heard of them. It's funny I am agnostic >> towards ALL organized religion, I believe in God and it ends there. When >> I >> am in the area of Mercersburg, Pa. I stop in and talk to the Pastor of a >> large Mennonite church, they have a wall covered with a model of the >> Brethern's from the year 1000 on the Swiss/German border till today and >> all >> of the off shoots. The Amish started it all. What part of Canada do you >> live >> in ? I am very familar with the maritime provinces and Quebec. Can you >> believe I once made a trip there just to drink Canadian beer!!! >> >> Gordon >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches >> >> >>> Sorry to disappoint you Gordon, I live in between a strict sect of Amish >>> and >>> Mexican Mennonites!!!! Small world. >>> I am going to make your day, and give you half of what you wished in >>> your >>> wish list. This is the address of the Representative Church Body at >>> Braemar >>> Park in Dublin (you were supposed to do a google search!), Dr. Susan >>> Hood. >>> She can give you a list of churches with contacts for the Galgorm area. >>> These are Church of Ireland churches. >>> For Presbyterian churches, you will need to google to find an online >>> address >>> in Belfast. >>> Can you forward to me your list of churches if you get them from Susan? >>> I >>> don't like to inundate her with personal requests, in case she becomes >>> overwhelmed and eliminates the service. Thank you. >>> Wendy >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches >>> >>> >>>>O you are a font of info. Yes you are correct that I am mis-using the >>>>proper >>>> term, but I do that all the time, yes Glagorm was a townland, I >>>> confess!!!! >>>> Now I will fowl up you mind. In Pennsylvania they use the terminology >>>> of >>>> "Township" (where no ships are in sight!!). So for example Greencastle, >>>> Pa. >>>> is listed as: Greencastle, Bourgh of, Antrim Township, Franklin >>>> County, >>>> Pennsylvania. Now isn't that a mouthfull!!I am off for research >>>> tomorrow >>>> (actually to badger friends and pick their minds). What I need is some >>>> genius to say here Gordon are the e mail addresses of ALL of the >>>> Protestant >>>> church with Ahoghill Townland, so that I can bug them for their old >>>> records. >>>> Here is one for you which you will enjoy.Little by little I have been >>>> photographing and recording all of the old churches in Franklin Co., >>>> Pa. >>>> as >>>> such I was looking for Mt. Zion Church and cemetery which goes back >>>> into >>>> the >>>> 1700's. After getting lost several times (I am good at that) I found >>>> the >>>> entrance to the cemetery and there was a house with lots of people in >>>> the >>>> back yard. One look at them made me think they were Mennonites, so I >>>> got >>>> out >>>> of my car to talk to them and a "Elder" came over to talk to me, they >>>> were >>>> German Baptists and are between Amish and Mennonites (in strictness) >>>> Bet >>>> you >>>> never heard of them. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> >>>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:27 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches >>>> >>>> >>>>> Several Tidbits to Gordon, Pam, etc. >>>>> Re Parks....was it the name of a House? I have Margaret Stevenson >>>>> living >>>>> at >>>>> Parks. I also have Parks at Greenhill, Farm. Mr. Wilson was listed >>>>> as >>>>> the >>>>> occupant of both in 1849. >>>>> Gordon refers to Galgorm as a property, whereas I think it is a >>>>> townland. >>>>> Margaret Stevenson is listed as living at Gloonan, Ballyminstra, >>>>> Galgorm, >>>>> The Parke. >>>>> My John and Mary Stevenson had a shop, probably in Ballymena in 1848, >>>>> but >>>>> prior to that they lived at Galgorm. >>>>> Re Churches: >>>>> I have a letter in 1978 from Moravian Manse, 25 Church Road, >>>>> Gracehill, >>>>> Ballymena BT42 2NL. Partly...."we are the only Church in the Galgorm >>>>> area >>>>> and have been since our Church was founded here in 1759. The name >>>>> 'Moravian' Church may sound strange to you, but it is just a simple >>>>> Protestant Church which began in Cechoslovakia in 1457." People from >>>>> Gracehill, Cardonaghan, Greenhill, Gloonan attended this church. The >>>>> registers from 1759 were in the church in 1978, so not burned or >>>>> destroyed >>>>> in 'the fires'. >>>>> There was also a Moravian School, with student lists, also available >>>>> through >>>>> the rector. >>>>> There is a Gracehill Cemetery, as well as an Old Ahoghill cemetery, >>>>> and >>>>> headstones' info is available from "History from Headstones" >>>>> Other churches in the neighbourhood (sorry, I didn't always mark the >>>>> denomination): >>>>> ? Presb or C of I >>>>> Old Galgorm Road >>>>> High Kirk Manse >>>>> Old Church on High Street, >>>>> Ballymena >>>>> >>>>> 1st Ballymena Presb.,Meetinghouse Lane, Ballymena (records to 1837) >>>>> West Church, 3 Grange Rd.,Ballymena >>>>> >>>>> Ahoghill Presb Church >>>>> >>>>> Presb Church, Connor, Kells (records to 1658) >>>>> >>>>> Wellington St Church, 48 Moorfields Road (from 1828) >>>>> >>>>> Presbyterian Church in Ireland, >>>>> Church House, >>>>> Fishwick lace, >>>>> Belfast, Ireland >>>>> If you type Presbyterian churches Ireland into Google you will get >>>>> their >>>>> home site. I am sure they would be able to help as to what is >>>>> available >>>>> but >>>>> you could also try http://www.nidex.com/churches.htm. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Addresses for Church of Ireland churches from Representative Church >>>>> Body, >>>>> Braemar Park, Dublin (try google for online address) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm assuming you have also checked Griffiths, flax rolls, etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you find any STEVENSON, please let me know! >>>>> >>>>> Wendy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, I can believe the beer story, as Canadians can drink at 19 years & our beer is stronger. I believe you came for one of these 2 reasons. ( and the girls are cuter... ie Pamela Anderson!) Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:18 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > Yes I agree with you on researchers etc. I know two in Dublin and hesitate > to ask them much and take up their time, but by the same token I have > supplied both of them with American info which seems to fascinate them. > Do you really live between a Amish & Mennonite community? Exactly what is > a > Mexican Mennonite? I have never heard of them. It's funny I am agnostic > towards ALL organized religion, I believe in God and it ends there. When I > am in the area of Mercersburg, Pa. I stop in and talk to the Pastor of a > large Mennonite church, they have a wall covered with a model of the > Brethern's from the year 1000 on the Swiss/German border till today and > all > of the off shoots. The Amish started it all. What part of Canada do you > live > in ? I am very familar with the maritime provinces and Quebec. Can you > believe I once made a trip there just to drink Canadian beer!!! > > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:14 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > > >> Sorry to disappoint you Gordon, I live in between a strict sect of Amish >> and >> Mexican Mennonites!!!! Small world. >> I am going to make your day, and give you half of what you wished in your >> wish list. This is the address of the Representative Church Body at >> Braemar >> Park in Dublin (you were supposed to do a google search!), Dr. Susan >> Hood. >> She can give you a list of churches with contacts for the Galgorm area. >> These are Church of Ireland churches. >> For Presbyterian churches, you will need to google to find an online >> address >> in Belfast. >> Can you forward to me your list of churches if you get them from Susan? >> I >> don't like to inundate her with personal requests, in case she becomes >> overwhelmed and eliminates the service. Thank you. >> Wendy >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches >> >> >>>O you are a font of info. Yes you are correct that I am mis-using the >>>proper >>> term, but I do that all the time, yes Glagorm was a townland, I >>> confess!!!! >>> Now I will fowl up you mind. In Pennsylvania they use the terminology of >>> "Township" (where no ships are in sight!!). So for example Greencastle, >>> Pa. >>> is listed as: Greencastle, Bourgh of, Antrim Township, Franklin County, >>> Pennsylvania. Now isn't that a mouthfull!!I am off for research tomorrow >>> (actually to badger friends and pick their minds). What I need is some >>> genius to say here Gordon are the e mail addresses of ALL of the >>> Protestant >>> church with Ahoghill Townland, so that I can bug them for their old >>> records. >>> Here is one for you which you will enjoy.Little by little I have been >>> photographing and recording all of the old churches in Franklin Co., Pa. >>> as >>> such I was looking for Mt. Zion Church and cemetery which goes back into >>> the >>> 1700's. After getting lost several times (I am good at that) I found the >>> entrance to the cemetery and there was a house with lots of people in >>> the >>> back yard. One look at them made me think they were Mennonites, so I got >>> out >>> of my car to talk to them and a "Elder" came over to talk to me, they >>> were >>> German Baptists and are between Amish and Mennonites (in strictness) Bet >>> you >>> never heard of them. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> >>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches >>> >>> >>>> Several Tidbits to Gordon, Pam, etc. >>>> Re Parks....was it the name of a House? I have Margaret Stevenson >>>> living >>>> at >>>> Parks. I also have Parks at Greenhill, Farm. Mr. Wilson was listed as >>>> the >>>> occupant of both in 1849. >>>> Gordon refers to Galgorm as a property, whereas I think it is a >>>> townland. >>>> Margaret Stevenson is listed as living at Gloonan, Ballyminstra, >>>> Galgorm, >>>> The Parke. >>>> My John and Mary Stevenson had a shop, probably in Ballymena in 1848, >>>> but >>>> prior to that they lived at Galgorm. >>>> Re Churches: >>>> I have a letter in 1978 from Moravian Manse, 25 Church Road, Gracehill, >>>> Ballymena BT42 2NL. Partly...."we are the only Church in the Galgorm >>>> area >>>> and have been since our Church was founded here in 1759. The name >>>> 'Moravian' Church may sound strange to you, but it is just a simple >>>> Protestant Church which began in Cechoslovakia in 1457." People from >>>> Gracehill, Cardonaghan, Greenhill, Gloonan attended this church. The >>>> registers from 1759 were in the church in 1978, so not burned or >>>> destroyed >>>> in 'the fires'. >>>> There was also a Moravian School, with student lists, also available >>>> through >>>> the rector. >>>> There is a Gracehill Cemetery, as well as an Old Ahoghill cemetery, and >>>> headstones' info is available from "History from Headstones" >>>> Other churches in the neighbourhood (sorry, I didn't always mark the >>>> denomination): >>>> ? Presb or C of I >>>> Old Galgorm Road >>>> High Kirk Manse >>>> Old Church on High Street, >>>> Ballymena >>>> >>>> 1st Ballymena Presb.,Meetinghouse Lane, Ballymena (records to 1837) >>>> West Church, 3 Grange Rd.,Ballymena >>>> >>>> Ahoghill Presb Church >>>> >>>> Presb Church, Connor, Kells (records to 1658) >>>> >>>> Wellington St Church, 48 Moorfields Road (from 1828) >>>> >>>> Presbyterian Church in Ireland, >>>> Church House, >>>> Fishwick lace, >>>> Belfast, Ireland >>>> If you type Presbyterian churches Ireland into Google you will get >>>> their >>>> home site. I am sure they would be able to help as to what is >>>> available >>>> but >>>> you could also try http://www.nidex.com/churches.htm. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Addresses for Church of Ireland churches from Representative Church >>>> Body, >>>> Braemar Park, Dublin (try google for online address) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm assuming you have also checked Griffiths, flax rolls, etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> If you find any STEVENSON, please let me know! >>>> >>>> Wendy >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Galgorm is likely to have been an estate rather than a townland, and the landlords were the Youngs. see for example http://explorion.net/m.d.mcdougall-letters-norah-tour-through-ireland/page-55.html Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > Several Tidbits to Gordon, Pam, etc. > Re Parks....was it the name of a House? I have Margaret Stevenson living > at > Parks. I also have Parks at Greenhill, Farm. Mr. Wilson was listed as > the > occupant of both in 1849. > Gordon refers to Galgorm as a property, whereas I think it is a townland. > Margaret Stevenson is listed as living at Gloonan, Ballyminstra, Galgorm, > The Parke. > My John and Mary Stevenson had a shop, probably in Ballymena in 1848, but > prior to that they lived at Galgorm. > Re Churches: > I have a letter in 1978 from Moravian Manse, 25 Church Road, Gracehill, > Ballymena BT42 2NL. Partly...."we are the only Church in the Galgorm > area > and have been since our Church was founded here in 1759. The name > 'Moravian' Church may sound strange to you, but it is just a simple > Protestant Church which began in Cechoslovakia in 1457." People from > Gracehill, Cardonaghan, Greenhill, Gloonan attended this church. The > registers from 1759 were in the church in 1978, so not burned or destroyed > in 'the fires'. > There was also a Moravian School, with student lists, also available > through > the rector. > There is a Gracehill Cemetery, as well as an Old Ahoghill cemetery, and > headstones' info is available from "History from Headstones" > Other churches in the neighbourhood (sorry, I didn't always mark the > denomination): > ? Presb or C of I > Old Galgorm Road > High Kirk Manse > Old Church on High Street, > Ballymena > > 1st Ballymena Presb.,Meetinghouse Lane, Ballymena (records to 1837) > West Church, 3 Grange Rd.,Ballymena > > Ahoghill Presb Church > > Presb Church, Connor, Kells (records to 1658) > > Wellington St Church, 48 Moorfields Road (from 1828) > > Presbyterian Church in Ireland, > Church House, > Fishwick lace, > Belfast, Ireland > If you type Presbyterian churches Ireland into Google you will get their > home site. I am sure they would be able to help as to what is available > but > you could also try http://www.nidex.com/churches.htm. > > > > Addresses for Church of Ireland churches from Representative Church Body, > Braemar Park, Dublin (try google for online address) > > > > I'm assuming you have also checked Griffiths, flax rolls, etc. > > > > If you find any STEVENSON, please let me know! > > Wendy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 14/11/2006 > >

Yes I agree with you on researchers etc. I know two in Dublin and hesitate to ask them much and take up their time, but by the same token I have supplied both of them with American info which seems to fascinate them. Do you really live between a Amish & Mennonite community? Exactly what is a Mexican Mennonite? I have never heard of them. It's funny I am agnostic towards ALL organized religion, I believe in God and it ends there. When I am in the area of Mercersburg, Pa. I stop in and talk to the Pastor of a large Mennonite church, they have a wall covered with a model of the Brethern's from the year 1000 on the Swiss/German border till today and all of the off shoots. The Amish started it all. What part of Canada do you live in ? I am very familar with the maritime provinces and Quebec. Can you believe I once made a trip there just to drink Canadian beer!!! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > Sorry to disappoint you Gordon, I live in between a strict sect of Amish > and > Mexican Mennonites!!!! Small world. > I am going to make your day, and give you half of what you wished in your > wish list. This is the address of the Representative Church Body at > Braemar > Park in Dublin (you were supposed to do a google search!), Dr. Susan Hood. > She can give you a list of churches with contacts for the Galgorm area. > These are Church of Ireland churches. > For Presbyterian churches, you will need to google to find an online > address > in Belfast. > Can you forward to me your list of churches if you get them from Susan? > I > don't like to inundate her with personal requests, in case she becomes > overwhelmed and eliminates the service. Thank you. > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:28 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > > >>O you are a font of info. Yes you are correct that I am mis-using the >>proper >> term, but I do that all the time, yes Glagorm was a townland, I >> confess!!!! >> Now I will fowl up you mind. In Pennsylvania they use the terminology of >> "Township" (where no ships are in sight!!). So for example Greencastle, >> Pa. >> is listed as: Greencastle, Bourgh of, Antrim Township, Franklin County, >> Pennsylvania. Now isn't that a mouthfull!!I am off for research tomorrow >> (actually to badger friends and pick their minds). What I need is some >> genius to say here Gordon are the e mail addresses of ALL of the >> Protestant >> church with Ahoghill Townland, so that I can bug them for their old >> records. >> Here is one for you which you will enjoy.Little by little I have been >> photographing and recording all of the old churches in Franklin Co., Pa. >> as >> such I was looking for Mt. Zion Church and cemetery which goes back into >> the >> 1700's. After getting lost several times (I am good at that) I found the >> entrance to the cemetery and there was a house with lots of people in the >> back yard. One look at them made me think they were Mennonites, so I got >> out >> of my car to talk to them and a "Elder" came over to talk to me, they >> were >> German Baptists and are between Amish and Mennonites (in strictness) Bet >> you >> never heard of them. >> >> Gordon >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches >> >> >>> Several Tidbits to Gordon, Pam, etc. >>> Re Parks....was it the name of a House? I have Margaret Stevenson >>> living >>> at >>> Parks. I also have Parks at Greenhill, Farm. Mr. Wilson was listed as >>> the >>> occupant of both in 1849. >>> Gordon refers to Galgorm as a property, whereas I think it is a >>> townland. >>> Margaret Stevenson is listed as living at Gloonan, Ballyminstra, >>> Galgorm, >>> The Parke. >>> My John and Mary Stevenson had a shop, probably in Ballymena in 1848, >>> but >>> prior to that they lived at Galgorm. >>> Re Churches: >>> I have a letter in 1978 from Moravian Manse, 25 Church Road, Gracehill, >>> Ballymena BT42 2NL. Partly...."we are the only Church in the Galgorm >>> area >>> and have been since our Church was founded here in 1759. The name >>> 'Moravian' Church may sound strange to you, but it is just a simple >>> Protestant Church which began in Cechoslovakia in 1457." People from >>> Gracehill, Cardonaghan, Greenhill, Gloonan attended this church. The >>> registers from 1759 were in the church in 1978, so not burned or >>> destroyed >>> in 'the fires'. >>> There was also a Moravian School, with student lists, also available >>> through >>> the rector. >>> There is a Gracehill Cemetery, as well as an Old Ahoghill cemetery, and >>> headstones' info is available from "History from Headstones" >>> Other churches in the neighbourhood (sorry, I didn't always mark the >>> denomination): >>> ? Presb or C of I >>> Old Galgorm Road >>> High Kirk Manse >>> Old Church on High Street, >>> Ballymena >>> >>> 1st Ballymena Presb.,Meetinghouse Lane, Ballymena (records to 1837) >>> West Church, 3 Grange Rd.,Ballymena >>> >>> Ahoghill Presb Church >>> >>> Presb Church, Connor, Kells (records to 1658) >>> >>> Wellington St Church, 48 Moorfields Road (from 1828) >>> >>> Presbyterian Church in Ireland, >>> Church House, >>> Fishwick lace, >>> Belfast, Ireland >>> If you type Presbyterian churches Ireland into Google you will get their >>> home site. I am sure they would be able to help as to what is available >>> but >>> you could also try http://www.nidex.com/churches.htm. >>> >>> >>> >>> Addresses for Church of Ireland churches from Representative Church >>> Body, >>> Braemar Park, Dublin (try google for online address) >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm assuming you have also checked Griffiths, flax rolls, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> If you find any STEVENSON, please let me know! >>> >>> Wendy >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Sorry to disappoint you Gordon, I live in between a strict sect of Amish and Mexican Mennonites!!!! Small world. I am going to make your day, and give you half of what you wished in your wish list. This is the address of the Representative Church Body at Braemar Park in Dublin (you were supposed to do a google search!), Dr. Susan Hood. She can give you a list of churches with contacts for the Galgorm area. These are Church of Ireland churches. For Presbyterian churches, you will need to google to find an online address in Belfast. Can you forward to me your list of churches if you get them from Susan? I don't like to inundate her with personal requests, in case she becomes overwhelmed and eliminates the service. Thank you. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches >O you are a font of info. Yes you are correct that I am mis-using the >proper > term, but I do that all the time, yes Glagorm was a townland, I > confess!!!! > Now I will fowl up you mind. In Pennsylvania they use the terminology of > "Township" (where no ships are in sight!!). So for example Greencastle, > Pa. > is listed as: Greencastle, Bourgh of, Antrim Township, Franklin County, > Pennsylvania. Now isn't that a mouthfull!!I am off for research tomorrow > (actually to badger friends and pick their minds). What I need is some > genius to say here Gordon are the e mail addresses of ALL of the > Protestant > church with Ahoghill Townland, so that I can bug them for their old > records. > Here is one for you which you will enjoy.Little by little I have been > photographing and recording all of the old churches in Franklin Co., Pa. > as > such I was looking for Mt. Zion Church and cemetery which goes back into > the > 1700's. After getting lost several times (I am good at that) I found the > entrance to the cemetery and there was a house with lots of people in the > back yard. One look at them made me think they were Mennonites, so I got > out > of my car to talk to them and a "Elder" came over to talk to me, they were > German Baptists and are between Amish and Mennonites (in strictness) Bet > you > never heard of them. > > Gordon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > > >> Several Tidbits to Gordon, Pam, etc. >> Re Parks....was it the name of a House? I have Margaret Stevenson living >> at >> Parks. I also have Parks at Greenhill, Farm. Mr. Wilson was listed as >> the >> occupant of both in 1849. >> Gordon refers to Galgorm as a property, whereas I think it is a townland. >> Margaret Stevenson is listed as living at Gloonan, Ballyminstra, Galgorm, >> The Parke. >> My John and Mary Stevenson had a shop, probably in Ballymena in 1848, but >> prior to that they lived at Galgorm. >> Re Churches: >> I have a letter in 1978 from Moravian Manse, 25 Church Road, Gracehill, >> Ballymena BT42 2NL. Partly...."we are the only Church in the Galgorm >> area >> and have been since our Church was founded here in 1759. The name >> 'Moravian' Church may sound strange to you, but it is just a simple >> Protestant Church which began in Cechoslovakia in 1457." People from >> Gracehill, Cardonaghan, Greenhill, Gloonan attended this church. The >> registers from 1759 were in the church in 1978, so not burned or >> destroyed >> in 'the fires'. >> There was also a Moravian School, with student lists, also available >> through >> the rector. >> There is a Gracehill Cemetery, as well as an Old Ahoghill cemetery, and >> headstones' info is available from "History from Headstones" >> Other churches in the neighbourhood (sorry, I didn't always mark the >> denomination): >> ? Presb or C of I >> Old Galgorm Road >> High Kirk Manse >> Old Church on High Street, >> Ballymena >> >> 1st Ballymena Presb.,Meetinghouse Lane, Ballymena (records to 1837) >> West Church, 3 Grange Rd.,Ballymena >> >> Ahoghill Presb Church >> >> Presb Church, Connor, Kells (records to 1658) >> >> Wellington St Church, 48 Moorfields Road (from 1828) >> >> Presbyterian Church in Ireland, >> Church House, >> Fishwick lace, >> Belfast, Ireland >> If you type Presbyterian churches Ireland into Google you will get their >> home site. I am sure they would be able to help as to what is available >> but >> you could also try http://www.nidex.com/churches.htm. >> >> >> >> Addresses for Church of Ireland churches from Representative Church Body, >> Braemar Park, Dublin (try google for online address) >> >> >> >> I'm assuming you have also checked Griffiths, flax rolls, etc. >> >> >> >> If you find any STEVENSON, please let me know! >> >> Wendy >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

O you are a font of info. Yes you are correct that I am mis-using the proper term, but I do that all the time, yes Glagorm was a townland, I confess!!!! Now I will fowl up you mind. In Pennsylvania they use the terminology of "Township" (where no ships are in sight!!). So for example Greencastle, Pa. is listed as: Greencastle, Bourgh of, Antrim Township, Franklin County, Pennsylvania. Now isn't that a mouthfull!!I am off for research tomorrow (actually to badger friends and pick their minds). What I need is some genius to say here Gordon are the e mail addresses of ALL of the Protestant church with Ahoghill Townland, so that I can bug them for their old records. Here is one for you which you will enjoy.Little by little I have been photographing and recording all of the old churches in Franklin Co., Pa. as such I was looking for Mt. Zion Church and cemetery which goes back into the 1700's. After getting lost several times (I am good at that) I found the entrance to the cemetery and there was a house with lots of people in the back yard. One look at them made me think they were Mennonites, so I got out of my car to talk to them and a "Elder" came over to talk to me, they were German Baptists and are between Amish and Mennonites (in strictness) Bet you never heard of them. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > Several Tidbits to Gordon, Pam, etc. > Re Parks....was it the name of a House? I have Margaret Stevenson living > at > Parks. I also have Parks at Greenhill, Farm. Mr. Wilson was listed as > the > occupant of both in 1849. > Gordon refers to Galgorm as a property, whereas I think it is a townland. > Margaret Stevenson is listed as living at Gloonan, Ballyminstra, Galgorm, > The Parke. > My John and Mary Stevenson had a shop, probably in Ballymena in 1848, but > prior to that they lived at Galgorm. > Re Churches: > I have a letter in 1978 from Moravian Manse, 25 Church Road, Gracehill, > Ballymena BT42 2NL. Partly...."we are the only Church in the Galgorm > area > and have been since our Church was founded here in 1759. The name > 'Moravian' Church may sound strange to you, but it is just a simple > Protestant Church which began in Cechoslovakia in 1457." People from > Gracehill, Cardonaghan, Greenhill, Gloonan attended this church. The > registers from 1759 were in the church in 1978, so not burned or destroyed > in 'the fires'. > There was also a Moravian School, with student lists, also available > through > the rector. > There is a Gracehill Cemetery, as well as an Old Ahoghill cemetery, and > headstones' info is available from "History from Headstones" > Other churches in the neighbourhood (sorry, I didn't always mark the > denomination): > ? Presb or C of I > Old Galgorm Road > High Kirk Manse > Old Church on High Street, > Ballymena > > 1st Ballymena Presb.,Meetinghouse Lane, Ballymena (records to 1837) > West Church, 3 Grange Rd.,Ballymena > > Ahoghill Presb Church > > Presb Church, Connor, Kells (records to 1658) > > Wellington St Church, 48 Moorfields Road (from 1828) > > Presbyterian Church in Ireland, > Church House, > Fishwick lace, > Belfast, Ireland > If you type Presbyterian churches Ireland into Google you will get their > home site. I am sure they would be able to help as to what is available > but > you could also try http://www.nidex.com/churches.htm. > > > > Addresses for Church of Ireland churches from Representative Church Body, > Braemar Park, Dublin (try google for online address) > > > > I'm assuming you have also checked Griffiths, flax rolls, etc. > > > > If you find any STEVENSON, please let me know! > > Wendy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Frank: I pretty much know all of this, what I was trying to find out is if there were any tenant records. According to PRONI there aren't which seems a little strange to me as there is considerable info available on the Colville's the 2nd owners and the period of time that I am interested in 1660-1720, so I am trying to see if there are any possible local Protestant (Presbyterian) church records for that period of time. Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Kernohan" <frank_kernohan@rogers.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > Gordon, Pam, and others: For your general information, Galgorm has been a > townland in the Parish of Ahoghill since 1569 when it was associated with > Galgorm Castle. Galgorn means blue/black rock or castle. Galgorm Parks > is > a hybrid name of the manor of Fortesque with 1000 acres in demesne. It > was > first established in 1618. This is supposed to have been a grant in 1618 > to > Sir Faithful Fortesque, a nephew of Sir William Chichester, Lord Deputy of > Ireland. One of its original names was Deerpark of Galgorm. Frank > Kernohan > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Clark > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:32 PM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > > Galgorm is likely to have been an estate rather than a townland, and the > landlords were the Youngs. > see for example > http://explorion.net/m.d.mcdougall-letters-norah-tour-through-ireland/page-5 > 5.html > Charlie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:27 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > > >> Several Tidbits to Gordon, Pam, etc. >> Re Parks....was it the name of a House? I have Margaret Stevenson living >> at >> Parks. I also have Parks at Greenhill, Farm. Mr. Wilson was listed as >> the >> occupant of both in 1849. >> Gordon refers to Galgorm as a property, whereas I think it is a townland. >> Margaret Stevenson is listed as living at Gloonan, Ballyminstra, Galgorm, >> The Parke. >> My John and Mary Stevenson had a shop, probably in Ballymena in 1848, but >> prior to that they lived at Galgorm. >> Re Churches: >> I have a letter in 1978 from Moravian Manse, 25 Church Road, Gracehill, >> Ballymena BT42 2NL. Partly...."we are the only Church in the Galgorm >> area >> and have been since our Church was founded here in 1759. The name >> 'Moravian' Church may sound strange to you, but it is just a simple >> Protestant Church which began in Cechoslovakia in 1457." People from >> Gracehill, Cardonaghan, Greenhill, Gloonan attended this church. The >> registers from 1759 were in the church in 1978, so not burned or >> destroyed >> in 'the fires'. >> There was also a Moravian School, with student lists, also available >> through >> the rector. >> There is a Gracehill Cemetery, as well as an Old Ahoghill cemetery, and >> headstones' info is available from "History from Headstones" >> Other churches in the neighbourhood (sorry, I didn't always mark the >> denomination): >> ? Presb or C of I >> Old Galgorm Road >> High Kirk Manse >> Old Church on High Street, >> Ballymena >> >> 1st Ballymena Presb.,Meetinghouse Lane, Ballymena (records to 1837) >> West Church, 3 Grange Rd.,Ballymena >> >> Ahoghill Presb Church >> >> Presb Church, Connor, Kells (records to 1658) >> >> Wellington St Church, 48 Moorfields Road (from 1828) >> >> Presbyterian Church in Ireland, >> Church House, >> Fishwick lace, >> Belfast, Ireland >> If you type Presbyterian churches Ireland into Google you will get their >> home site. I am sure they would be able to help as to what is available >> but >> you could also try http://www.nidex.com/churches.htm. >> >> >> >> Addresses for Church of Ireland churches from Representative Church Body, >> Braemar Park, Dublin (try google for online address) >> >> >> >> I'm assuming you have also checked Griffiths, flax rolls, etc. >> >> >> >> If you find any STEVENSON, please let me know! >> >> Wendy >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: >> 14/11/2006 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Gordon, Pam, and others: For your general information, Galgorm has been a townland in the Parish of Ahoghill since 1569 when it was associated with Galgorm Castle. Galgorn means blue/black rock or castle. Galgorm Parks is a hybrid name of the manor of Fortesque with 1000 acres in demesne. It was first established in 1618. This is supposed to have been a grant in 1618 to Sir Faithful Fortesque, a nephew of Sir William Chichester, Lord Deputy of Ireland. One of its original names was Deerpark of Galgorm. Frank Kernohan -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charles Clark Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:32 PM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches Galgorm is likely to have been an estate rather than a townland, and the landlords were the Youngs. see for example http://explorion.net/m.d.mcdougall-letters-norah-tour-through-ireland/page-5 5.html Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks-Galgorm-churches > Several Tidbits to Gordon, Pam, etc. > Re Parks....was it the name of a House? I have Margaret Stevenson living > at > Parks. I also have Parks at Greenhill, Farm. Mr. Wilson was listed as > the > occupant of both in 1849. > Gordon refers to Galgorm as a property, whereas I think it is a townland. > Margaret Stevenson is listed as living at Gloonan, Ballyminstra, Galgorm, > The Parke. > My John and Mary Stevenson had a shop, probably in Ballymena in 1848, but > prior to that they lived at Galgorm. > Re Churches: > I have a letter in 1978 from Moravian Manse, 25 Church Road, Gracehill, > Ballymena BT42 2NL. Partly...."we are the only Church in the Galgorm > area > and have been since our Church was founded here in 1759. The name > 'Moravian' Church may sound strange to you, but it is just a simple > Protestant Church which began in Cechoslovakia in 1457." People from > Gracehill, Cardonaghan, Greenhill, Gloonan attended this church. The > registers from 1759 were in the church in 1978, so not burned or destroyed > in 'the fires'. > There was also a Moravian School, with student lists, also available > through > the rector. > There is a Gracehill Cemetery, as well as an Old Ahoghill cemetery, and > headstones' info is available from "History from Headstones" > Other churches in the neighbourhood (sorry, I didn't always mark the > denomination): > ? Presb or C of I > Old Galgorm Road > High Kirk Manse > Old Church on High Street, > Ballymena > > 1st Ballymena Presb.,Meetinghouse Lane, Ballymena (records to 1837) > West Church, 3 Grange Rd.,Ballymena > > Ahoghill Presb Church > > Presb Church, Connor, Kells (records to 1658) > > Wellington St Church, 48 Moorfields Road (from 1828) > > Presbyterian Church in Ireland, > Church House, > Fishwick lace, > Belfast, Ireland > If you type Presbyterian churches Ireland into Google you will get their > home site. I am sure they would be able to help as to what is available > but > you could also try http://www.nidex.com/churches.htm. > > > > Addresses for Church of Ireland churches from Representative Church Body, > Braemar Park, Dublin (try google for online address) > > > > I'm assuming you have also checked Griffiths, flax rolls, etc. > > > > If you find any STEVENSON, please let me know! > > Wendy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 14/11/2006 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dr Colville of Galgorm Estate: _http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/Scotch-Irish/2001-11/1005440188_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/Scotch-Irish/2001-11/1005440188) Mary Alice Young _http://www.irelandseye.com/irish/history/photography/mayoung.shtm_ (http://www.irelandseye.com/irish/history/photography/mayoung.shtm) There is also the townland of Galgorm: 446 statute acres in the Civil Parish of Ahoghill, Barony of Lower Toome. _http://www.seanruad.com/_ (http://www.seanruad.com/) If you like your home comforts when you 'return' to County Antrim _http://www.galgorm.com/_ (http://www.galgorm.com/) Regards Nevin

Several Tidbits to Gordon, Pam, etc. Re Parks....was it the name of a House? I have Margaret Stevenson living at Parks. I also have Parks at Greenhill, Farm. Mr. Wilson was listed as the occupant of both in 1849. Gordon refers to Galgorm as a property, whereas I think it is a townland. Margaret Stevenson is listed as living at Gloonan, Ballyminstra, Galgorm, The Parke. My John and Mary Stevenson had a shop, probably in Ballymena in 1848, but prior to that they lived at Galgorm. Re Churches: I have a letter in 1978 from Moravian Manse, 25 Church Road, Gracehill, Ballymena BT42 2NL. Partly...."we are the only Church in the Galgorm area and have been since our Church was founded here in 1759. The name 'Moravian' Church may sound strange to you, but it is just a simple Protestant Church which began in Cechoslovakia in 1457." People from Gracehill, Cardonaghan, Greenhill, Gloonan attended this church. The registers from 1759 were in the church in 1978, so not burned or destroyed in 'the fires'. There was also a Moravian School, with student lists, also available through the rector. There is a Gracehill Cemetery, as well as an Old Ahoghill cemetery, and headstones' info is available from "History from Headstones" Other churches in the neighbourhood (sorry, I didn't always mark the denomination): ? Presb or C of I Old Galgorm Road High Kirk Manse Old Church on High Street, Ballymena 1st Ballymena Presb.,Meetinghouse Lane, Ballymena (records to 1837) West Church, 3 Grange Rd.,Ballymena Ahoghill Presb Church Presb Church, Connor, Kells (records to 1658) Wellington St Church, 48 Moorfields Road (from 1828) Presbyterian Church in Ireland, Church House, Fishwick lace, Belfast, Ireland If you type Presbyterian churches Ireland into Google you will get their home site. I am sure they would be able to help as to what is available but you could also try http://www.nidex.com/churches.htm. Addresses for Church of Ireland churches from Representative Church Body, Braemar Park, Dublin (try google for online address) I'm assuming you have also checked Griffiths, flax rolls, etc. If you find any STEVENSON, please let me know! Wendy

Cliff: Actually I would like to connect with a living Johnston in Franklin Co., especially in or around Waynesboro/Shady Grove area. I have a telephone book for the area and there are about 150 Johnsons and about 30 Johnstons. I am not related to the Johnstons in as far as I know what I am doing is looking at the earliest settlers and finding out what is in their records. In this case land warrants and also someone's will indicated to me that the Crooks and Johnstons knew each other and were friends and neighbors. I am going to Chambersburg tomorrow to do research. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > Gordon, > > I've moved recently and don't have my regular computer up and running, > yet. > I'm working off my wife's laptop. > > I've got a Johnston Family Newsletter that I write every so often, and one > of our Johnstons has ancestors from PA. I'll try to get her in touch with > you as soon as I can. We have only one requirement for receiving our > Johnston Family Newsletter and that is Y-DNA testing confirming an I1c > haplogroup or a genealogy connection to one of us who has tested as I1c. > I've done this in order to make our genealogy research work more > productive/efficient, and it is working for us. Not everyone who contacts > me likes it. I've had a Johnston lady in Michigan get very irrate with me > and refuse to have her husband test. That's life. We, the I1c > Johnston/es, > are only a small portion of Clan Johnston/e - something like 3% perhaps. > Those of us who are really into this have spent countless untold days > chasing red herrings in the past and have found that the Y-DNA test > eliminates most of red herring searches now for us - a real blessing! > > Again, I'd like to encourage you to have a related male Johnston take the > Y-DNA test. It will help you/us immeasurably. I can cite a recent case > of > a Johnston lady in Ireland who thought that she was our kin. A Y-DNA test > disproved that much to her and our dismay; however, it did put her in > touch > with a newfound cousin in the States and has been worth its weight in gold > to her. > > Good hunting, > > Cliff. > > 'May the best you've ever seen > Be the worst you'll ever see...' > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > > >> Cliff: It is believed that James Johnston was one of the very first to >> arrive and settle in Franklin Co., Pa. (then it was part of Lancaster >> Co.). >> He held a Blunston license issued in 1733, but it covered a prior arrival >> and claim to land date as much as 3 years or more. This came about when >> Lord >> Penn died, his sons Thomas, John, and Richard were for some reason unsure >> of >> their legal grounds to continue to sell land and issued deeds, also at >> that >> point of time the Penn's hadn't settled with the Indians for that land, >> so >> John Blunston (a fellow Quaker & friend of Lord Penn) and his son Samuel >> issued these Blunston license's which were in effect promissary notes >> recognizing the settlers prior rights to that parcel of land. While I >> haven't done a lot of research into the Johnston's, it was a large >> family, >> some were neighbors to my Crooks ancestors and they were fellow >> Presbyterians and friends.Blunston was the High Sheriff at the time and >> thus >> had some legal standing. >> >> Gordon >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion >> >> >>> Gordon, >>> >>> I should have added that some of my recently found Y-DNA Johnston/e >>> cousins >>> had ancestors come to the States - the Carolinas and Pennsylvania...not >>> sure >>> about a James. I do have a Johnston Family Newsletter that I write >>> every >>> so >>> often - not so often recently because of a move, but I can ask in the >>> next >>> one. >>> >>> Cliff. >>> 'May the best you've ever seen >>> Be the worst you'll ever see...' >>> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:21 PM >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion >>> >>> >>>> Do you by any chance have a James Johnston who came to American about >>>> 1730 >>>> from Antrim? >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> >>>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:32 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion >>>> >>>> >>>>> Denise, >>>>> >>>>> I've read some of the responses to your question and would like to add >>>>> (correct) a few items. >>>>> >>>>> The Presbyterian Church and the Church of Ireland are two separate and >>>>> distinct Protestant denominations with significant organizational and >>>>> theological differences. Some Presbyterians prefer the use of the >>>>> word >>>>> Restoration to Reformation when referring to the great movement, >>>>> although >>>>> technically it is a Reformation Church. The Presbyterian Church was >>>>> originally known as the Church of Scotland. The name was changed for >>>>> a >>>>> more >>>>> universal appeal/application. Our Johnston/e family goes back to the >>>>> Church >>>>> of Scotland. >>>>> >>>>> The British Crown at one time discriminated against both the Roman >>>>> Catholic >>>>> and Presbyterian Churches in Ireland so that a rather peculiar >>>>> situation >>>>> arose. Religious Presbyterian Scots who went to Ireland became C. of >>>>> I. >>>>> members to avoid the discrimination (as reportedly did a very few >>>>> Roman >>>>> Catholics), but they quietly returned to Scotland and the Presbyterian >>>>> Church for important events such as baptisms, marriages, etc.. Such >>>>> was >>>>> the >>>>> case with our Johnston/e family. My ggggrandfather was born in >>>>> Scotland, >>>>> went to Ireland, married and had children in Ireland. Our oral family >>>>> history indicates that the whole family would go through the expected >>>>> religious ceremonies at the local C. of I. Church in Ireland and then >>>>> go >>>>> back to Scotland and a Presbyterian Church for second baptisms, >>>>> marriages >>>>> (love is better the second time around?...lol..., etc.. The net >>>>> result >>>>> is >>>>> a >>>>> real nightmare for any of my family trying to trace our "roots". >>>>> Others >>>>> have the same problem too. >>>>> >>>>> As for which denomination has how many members - check out the census >>>>> records or whatever is available. My understanding was that the >>>>> Protestants >>>>> were in the majority in Northern Ireland, but that the Roman Catholics >>>>> were >>>>> "catching up"...dunno for certain. >>>>> >>>>> Cliff. Johnston >>>>> 'May the best you've ever seen >>>>> Be the worst you'll ever see...' >>>>> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <DSNJ004@aol.com> >>>>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:30 PM >>>>> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Listers, >>>>>> >>>>>> It's great to see all of the activity lately. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pardon my ignorance but I need to ask. I was raised Roman Catholic. >>>>>> I >>>>>> asked >>>>>> my father what his father was raised and he told me Protestant. I >>>>>> have >>>>>> reading a lot on the list about the Presbyterians. >>>>>> >>>>>> Which is more prevelant in Northern Ireland? Is it the Presbyterians >>>>>> that >>>>>> are connected to the Church of Ireland? >>>>>> >>>>>> My maiden name is LOAN. I have a torn copy of my supposed great, >>>>>> great >>>>>> grandfather's Naturalization Paper from Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, >>>>>> Ohio, >>>>>> USA. >>>>>> Apparently he could not write as there is an X on the signature line >>>>>> and >>>>>> someone >>>>>> wrote out his name as JOHN LONE. >>>>>> >>>>>> My Aunt tells me that the family was from Londonderry but noone like >>>>>> to >>>>>> mention London so they all said Derry. She also states that the >>>>>> family >>>>>> name used >>>>>> to be O'LOANE and the O was dropped and then the E. I found a site >>>>>> that >>>>>> has an >>>>>> old form of the name as O'LUANE or O'LUAIN, the english version being >>>>>> LAMB. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no other papers and no proof of where this family is from. I >>>>>> am >>>>>> having a hard time tracing any family. >>>>>> >>>>>> My grandfather, Charles LOAN has been gone since 1975, he was born in >>>>>> Cleveland, Ohio in 1900. There is a possibility that there may be >>>>>> some >>>>>> Scottish on >>>>>> his father's side. >>>>>> >>>>>> If anyone can clarify my religion questions it would be a big help. >>>>>> If >>>>>> you >>>>>> have ever come across the LOAN/LONE name I would love to hear from >>>>>> you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> Denise S. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>>> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: >>>>>> 11/13/2006 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: >>>> 11/13/2006 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: >> 11/13/2006 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mary, I can't see any connection at the moment. I have only one Robert Patton and he was born Ballycastle in 1876. His was the 2nd youngest son of James Patton and Ellen Kirkpatrick who married 3 Aug 1866 at Croagbeg presbyterian. James on his marriage record is listed as bring resident in Ballyoglagh and Ellen Kirkpatrick from Lisbellanagroagh. They seem to have had there children in the Ballycastle/Ballintoy area. I know very little about my Patton's, I know James's father was a Labourer called John Patton and James his son must have been born around 1845 (very approx). James, Ellen and there youngest Alexander signed there names (im 99%sure it's them) on the Ulster Covenant at Dunsverick Orange Hall and can only assume the family where in that area at that point. Although there eldest son John was in Govan, Glasgow from atleast 1890 as was one of there other son's Thomas (my grt grandfather) who was first recorded in Scotland/Glasgow in 1900. Regards Morag

Gordon, I've moved recently and don't have my regular computer up and running, yet. I'm working off my wife's laptop. I've got a Johnston Family Newsletter that I write every so often, and one of our Johnstons has ancestors from PA. I'll try to get her in touch with you as soon as I can. We have only one requirement for receiving our Johnston Family Newsletter and that is Y-DNA testing confirming an I1c haplogroup or a genealogy connection to one of us who has tested as I1c. I've done this in order to make our genealogy research work more productive/efficient, and it is working for us. Not everyone who contacts me likes it. I've had a Johnston lady in Michigan get very irrate with me and refuse to have her husband test. That's life. We, the I1c Johnston/es, are only a small portion of Clan Johnston/e - something like 3% perhaps. Those of us who are really into this have spent countless untold days chasing red herrings in the past and have found that the Y-DNA test eliminates most of red herring searches now for us - a real blessing! Again, I'd like to encourage you to have a related male Johnston take the Y-DNA test. It will help you/us immeasurably. I can cite a recent case of a Johnston lady in Ireland who thought that she was our kin. A Y-DNA test disproved that much to her and our dismay; however, it did put her in touch with a newfound cousin in the States and has been worth its weight in gold to her. Good hunting, Cliff. 'May the best you've ever seen Be the worst you'll ever see...' from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > Cliff: It is believed that James Johnston was one of the very first to > arrive and settle in Franklin Co., Pa. (then it was part of Lancaster > Co.). > He held a Blunston license issued in 1733, but it covered a prior arrival > and claim to land date as much as 3 years or more. This came about when > Lord > Penn died, his sons Thomas, John, and Richard were for some reason unsure > of > their legal grounds to continue to sell land and issued deeds, also at > that > point of time the Penn's hadn't settled with the Indians for that land, so > John Blunston (a fellow Quaker & friend of Lord Penn) and his son Samuel > issued these Blunston license's which were in effect promissary notes > recognizing the settlers prior rights to that parcel of land. While I > haven't done a lot of research into the Johnston's, it was a large family, > some were neighbors to my Crooks ancestors and they were fellow > Presbyterians and friends.Blunston was the High Sheriff at the time and > thus > had some legal standing. > > Gordon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > > >> Gordon, >> >> I should have added that some of my recently found Y-DNA Johnston/e >> cousins >> had ancestors come to the States - the Carolinas and Pennsylvania...not >> sure >> about a James. I do have a Johnston Family Newsletter that I write every >> so >> often - not so often recently because of a move, but I can ask in the >> next >> one. >> >> Cliff. >> 'May the best you've ever seen >> Be the worst you'll ever see...' >> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion >> >> >>> Do you by any chance have a James Johnston who came to American about >>> 1730 >>> from Antrim? >>> >>> Gordon >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> >>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion >>> >>> >>>> Denise, >>>> >>>> I've read some of the responses to your question and would like to add >>>> (correct) a few items. >>>> >>>> The Presbyterian Church and the Church of Ireland are two separate and >>>> distinct Protestant denominations with significant organizational and >>>> theological differences. Some Presbyterians prefer the use of the word >>>> Restoration to Reformation when referring to the great movement, >>>> although >>>> technically it is a Reformation Church. The Presbyterian Church was >>>> originally known as the Church of Scotland. The name was changed for a >>>> more >>>> universal appeal/application. Our Johnston/e family goes back to the >>>> Church >>>> of Scotland. >>>> >>>> The British Crown at one time discriminated against both the Roman >>>> Catholic >>>> and Presbyterian Churches in Ireland so that a rather peculiar >>>> situation >>>> arose. Religious Presbyterian Scots who went to Ireland became C. of >>>> I. >>>> members to avoid the discrimination (as reportedly did a very few Roman >>>> Catholics), but they quietly returned to Scotland and the Presbyterian >>>> Church for important events such as baptisms, marriages, etc.. Such >>>> was >>>> the >>>> case with our Johnston/e family. My ggggrandfather was born in >>>> Scotland, >>>> went to Ireland, married and had children in Ireland. Our oral family >>>> history indicates that the whole family would go through the expected >>>> religious ceremonies at the local C. of I. Church in Ireland and then >>>> go >>>> back to Scotland and a Presbyterian Church for second baptisms, >>>> marriages >>>> (love is better the second time around?...lol..., etc.. The net result >>>> is >>>> a >>>> real nightmare for any of my family trying to trace our "roots". >>>> Others >>>> have the same problem too. >>>> >>>> As for which denomination has how many members - check out the census >>>> records or whatever is available. My understanding was that the >>>> Protestants >>>> were in the majority in Northern Ireland, but that the Roman Catholics >>>> were >>>> "catching up"...dunno for certain. >>>> >>>> Cliff. Johnston >>>> 'May the best you've ever seen >>>> Be the worst you'll ever see...' >>>> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <DSNJ004@aol.com> >>>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:30 PM >>>> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello Listers, >>>>> >>>>> It's great to see all of the activity lately. >>>>> >>>>> Pardon my ignorance but I need to ask. I was raised Roman Catholic. >>>>> I >>>>> asked >>>>> my father what his father was raised and he told me Protestant. I >>>>> have >>>>> reading a lot on the list about the Presbyterians. >>>>> >>>>> Which is more prevelant in Northern Ireland? Is it the Presbyterians >>>>> that >>>>> are connected to the Church of Ireland? >>>>> >>>>> My maiden name is LOAN. I have a torn copy of my supposed great, >>>>> great >>>>> grandfather's Naturalization Paper from Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, >>>>> Ohio, >>>>> USA. >>>>> Apparently he could not write as there is an X on the signature line >>>>> and >>>>> someone >>>>> wrote out his name as JOHN LONE. >>>>> >>>>> My Aunt tells me that the family was from Londonderry but noone like >>>>> to >>>>> mention London so they all said Derry. She also states that the >>>>> family >>>>> name used >>>>> to be O'LOANE and the O was dropped and then the E. I found a site >>>>> that >>>>> has an >>>>> old form of the name as O'LUANE or O'LUAIN, the english version being >>>>> LAMB. >>>>> >>>>> I have no other papers and no proof of where this family is from. I >>>>> am >>>>> having a hard time tracing any family. >>>>> >>>>> My grandfather, Charles LOAN has been gone since 1975, he was born in >>>>> Cleveland, Ohio in 1900. There is a possibility that there may be >>>>> some >>>>> Scottish on >>>>> his father's side. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone can clarify my religion questions it would be a big help. >>>>> If >>>>> you >>>>> have ever come across the LOAN/LONE name I would love to hear from >>>>> you. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Denise S. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: >>>>> 11/13/2006 >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: >>> 11/13/2006 >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 11/13/2006 > >

Not sure if this helps but when I have been going through Australian shipping lists even members of the same family travelling together gave a variety of answers to the question of their religion. One family in particular had several members (siblings and cousins) and their wives and children and although most said "Presbyterian" some said "Church of Scotland" and others "Protestant". I imagine, like many things, the terms became interchangeable. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > Denise, > > I've read some of the responses to your question and would like to add > (correct) a few items. > > The Presbyterian Church and the Church of Ireland are two separate and > distinct Protestant denominations with significant organizational and > theological differences. Some Presbyterians prefer the use of the word > Restoration to Reformation when referring to the great movement, although > technically it is a Reformation Church. The Presbyterian Church was > originally known as the Church of Scotland. The name was changed for a > more > universal appeal/application. Our Johnston/e family goes back to the > Church > of Scotland. > > The British Crown at one time discriminated against both the Roman > Catholic > and Presbyterian Churches in Ireland so that a rather peculiar situation > arose. Religious Presbyterian Scots who went to Ireland became C. of I. > members to avoid the discrimination (as reportedly did a very few Roman > Catholics), but they quietly returned to Scotland and the Presbyterian > Church for important events such as baptisms, marriages, etc.. Such was > the > case with our Johnston/e family. My ggggrandfather was born in Scotland, > went to Ireland, married and had children in Ireland. Our oral family > history indicates that the whole family would go through the expected > religious ceremonies at the local C. of I. Church in Ireland and then go > back to Scotland and a Presbyterian Church for second baptisms, marriages > (love is better the second time around?...lol..., etc.. The net result is > a > real nightmare for any of my family trying to trace our "roots". Others > have the same problem too. > > As for which denomination has how many members - check out the census > records or whatever is available. My understanding was that the > Protestants > were in the majority in Northern Ireland, but that the Roman Catholics > were > "catching up"...dunno for certain. > > Cliff. Johnston > 'May the best you've ever seen > Be the worst you'll ever see...' > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <DSNJ004@aol.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:30 PM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > > >> Hello Listers, >> >> It's great to see all of the activity lately. >> >> Pardon my ignorance but I need to ask. I was raised Roman Catholic. I >> asked >> my father what his father was raised and he told me Protestant. I have >> reading a lot on the list about the Presbyterians. >> >> Which is more prevelant in Northern Ireland? Is it the Presbyterians >> that >> are connected to the Church of Ireland? >> >> My maiden name is LOAN. I have a torn copy of my supposed great, great >> grandfather's Naturalization Paper from Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio, >> USA. >> Apparently he could not write as there is an X on the signature line and >> someone >> wrote out his name as JOHN LONE. >> >> My Aunt tells me that the family was from Londonderry but noone like to >> mention London so they all said Derry. She also states that the family >> name used >> to be O'LOANE and the O was dropped and then the E. I found a site that >> has an >> old form of the name as O'LUANE or O'LUAIN, the english version being >> LAMB. >> >> I have no other papers and no proof of where this family is from. I am >> having a hard time tracing any family. >> >> My grandfather, Charles LOAN has been gone since 1975, he was born in >> Cleveland, Ohio in 1900. There is a possibility that there may be some >> Scottish on >> his father's side. >> >> If anyone can clarify my religion questions it would be a big help. If >> you >> have ever come across the LOAN/LONE name I would love to hear from you. >> >> Thank you, >> Denise S. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: >> 11/13/2006 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Cliff: It is believed that James Johnston was one of the very first to arrive and settle in Franklin Co., Pa. (then it was part of Lancaster Co.). He held a Blunston license issued in 1733, but it covered a prior arrival and claim to land date as much as 3 years or more. This came about when Lord Penn died, his sons Thomas, John, and Richard were for some reason unsure of their legal grounds to continue to sell land and issued deeds, also at that point of time the Penn's hadn't settled with the Indians for that land, so John Blunston (a fellow Quaker & friend of Lord Penn) and his son Samuel issued these Blunston license's which were in effect promissary notes recognizing the settlers prior rights to that parcel of land. While I haven't done a lot of research into the Johnston's, it was a large family, some were neighbors to my Crooks ancestors and they were fellow Presbyterians and friends.Blunston was the High Sheriff at the time and thus had some legal standing. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > Gordon, > > I should have added that some of my recently found Y-DNA Johnston/e > cousins > had ancestors come to the States - the Carolinas and Pennsylvania...not > sure > about a James. I do have a Johnston Family Newsletter that I write every > so > often - not so often recently because of a move, but I can ask in the next > one. > > Cliff. > 'May the best you've ever seen > Be the worst you'll ever see...' > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion > > >> Do you by any chance have a James Johnston who came to American about >> 1730 >> from Antrim? >> >> Gordon >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion >> >> >>> Denise, >>> >>> I've read some of the responses to your question and would like to add >>> (correct) a few items. >>> >>> The Presbyterian Church and the Church of Ireland are two separate and >>> distinct Protestant denominations with significant organizational and >>> theological differences. Some Presbyterians prefer the use of the word >>> Restoration to Reformation when referring to the great movement, >>> although >>> technically it is a Reformation Church. The Presbyterian Church was >>> originally known as the Church of Scotland. The name was changed for a >>> more >>> universal appeal/application. Our Johnston/e family goes back to the >>> Church >>> of Scotland. >>> >>> The British Crown at one time discriminated against both the Roman >>> Catholic >>> and Presbyterian Churches in Ireland so that a rather peculiar situation >>> arose. Religious Presbyterian Scots who went to Ireland became C. of I. >>> members to avoid the discrimination (as reportedly did a very few Roman >>> Catholics), but they quietly returned to Scotland and the Presbyterian >>> Church for important events such as baptisms, marriages, etc.. Such was >>> the >>> case with our Johnston/e family. My ggggrandfather was born in >>> Scotland, >>> went to Ireland, married and had children in Ireland. Our oral family >>> history indicates that the whole family would go through the expected >>> religious ceremonies at the local C. of I. Church in Ireland and then go >>> back to Scotland and a Presbyterian Church for second baptisms, >>> marriages >>> (love is better the second time around?...lol..., etc.. The net result >>> is >>> a >>> real nightmare for any of my family trying to trace our "roots". Others >>> have the same problem too. >>> >>> As for which denomination has how many members - check out the census >>> records or whatever is available. My understanding was that the >>> Protestants >>> were in the majority in Northern Ireland, but that the Roman Catholics >>> were >>> "catching up"...dunno for certain. >>> >>> Cliff. Johnston >>> 'May the best you've ever seen >>> Be the worst you'll ever see...' >>> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <DSNJ004@aol.com> >>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:30 PM >>> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Religion >>> >>> >>>> Hello Listers, >>>> >>>> It's great to see all of the activity lately. >>>> >>>> Pardon my ignorance but I need to ask. I was raised Roman Catholic. I >>>> asked >>>> my father what his father was raised and he told me Protestant. I have >>>> reading a lot on the list about the Presbyterians. >>>> >>>> Which is more prevelant in Northern Ireland? Is it the Presbyterians >>>> that >>>> are connected to the Church of Ireland? >>>> >>>> My maiden name is LOAN. I have a torn copy of my supposed great, great >>>> grandfather's Naturalization Paper from Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, >>>> Ohio, >>>> USA. >>>> Apparently he could not write as there is an X on the signature line >>>> and >>>> someone >>>> wrote out his name as JOHN LONE. >>>> >>>> My Aunt tells me that the family was from Londonderry but noone like to >>>> mention London so they all said Derry. She also states that the family >>>> name used >>>> to be O'LOANE and the O was dropped and then the E. I found a site >>>> that >>>> has an >>>> old form of the name as O'LUANE or O'LUAIN, the english version being >>>> LAMB. >>>> >>>> I have no other papers and no proof of where this family is from. I am >>>> having a hard time tracing any family. >>>> >>>> My grandfather, Charles LOAN has been gone since 1975, he was born in >>>> Cleveland, Ohio in 1900. There is a possibility that there may be some >>>> Scottish on >>>> his father's side. >>>> >>>> If anyone can clarify my religion questions it would be a big help. If >>>> you >>>> have ever come across the LOAN/LONE name I would love to hear from you. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Denise S. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: >>>> 11/13/2006 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: >> 11/13/2006 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Would your Parks be related to John Parks who went to Pennsylvania, USA either as a child or grown man and settled in what was then Lancaster County? Gordon Crooks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks > Anne, > I would love a copy of the report, if you don't mind. Thanks. > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anne Shier Klintworth" <ashierk@yahoo.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:55 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks > > >> My Stevensons were from Carnlea and Kildowney. Mary lived in the town of >> Ballymena because she married John Smith. He had been married to her >> cousin >> Margaret who died quite young. He was a very wealthy man. When Mary's >> parents and all of her siblings left for America in 1860 or so, Mary >> stayed >> behind. I have a theory that she was left behind to care for her uncle >> John >> Morton. She was not married at that time. She didn't marry John Smith >> until >> 1871. >> >> I have never been able to connect my Stevensons to the Stevensons that >> lived >> in town. But I also know I don't know who all of them were. I have >> tracked >> down a few of the people in the generations before my William, but I am >> sure >> there must be other ones I don't know about. >> >> The original farm where my William Stevenson was born is on Kildowney Rd. >> and is owned by a descendant of the Stevensons. I can send you a report >> on >> what I have for this family if you would like. >> >> Anne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robt & Wendy >> Stevenson >> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:31 PM >> To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks >> >> Anne, >> I believe we have corresponded before but I didn't realise that you were >> connected to STEVENSON. My family is also from Ballymena! And we are >> connected to RUSSELL. We have John and Mary Rankin Stevenson living in >> Ahoghill/Galgorm area, but apparently one of the family ran the >> haberdashering shop on the main street in Ballymena (it was still there >> in >> late 1970's when I visited). John and Mary had sons Robert born 1798 >> (mine); Philip; John; and William Clatworthy. Another son stayed in >> Ireland. A daughter Margaret took care of the parents when the first 4 >> brothers emigrated to Canada between 1825 and 1848. Our family >> apparently >> came with neighbours from either Ahoghill area, or where they had lived >> previously: Sloan, Clark and Russell. >> Can you find a connection? Your letter was written from William Street, >> Ballymena. My bet that is near or is actually the shop! >> Wendy >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anne Shier Klintworth" <ashierk@yahoo.com> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks >> >> >>> Possibly you would be interested in the little bit of Park information >>> in >>> letter at the bottom of this. My Stevenson family was from Carlea. I >>> have >>> been there twice and also to Killymurris church and graveyard. Let me >>> know >>> if there is anything I could help you with. I met a woman named Irene >>> Park >>> when I was there but I don't have her address. The last I knew, she was >>> still alive as was her sister. She knew a lot about the people from >>> Carlea, >>> but when I was there that time I didn't know enough about my Stevensons >>> and >>> Mortons to even ask the right questions. She was quite old and may not >>> be >>> alive anymore. She lived on Carnlea Rd. But I could ask my cousin to >>> find >>> out. She isn't listed in the directory anymore. There are a couple >>> Parks >>> listed in the directory that live in Glarryford which is where >>> Killymurris >>> church is. >>> >>> >>> I know some of the people from Carlea went to the Clough Pres. Church in >>> Clough. There is a very old graveyard there. On the 1864 Stipend list >>> of >>> Clough Presbyterian Church there is a John Park - Pew #16, and Patrick >>> Park >>> pew #71. Wm. Russell pew #29, Alexander Russle pew #72 (he is buried in >>> Clough Cemetery with wife Jane and daughter in law Jane and son Wm.),and >>> Thomas Russle pew #76. >>> >>> There is an Alexander Park buried at Clough cemetery - he died age 74 in >>> 1907 and Magaret his wife died 1917 age 80, James who died 1908 age 33 >>> and >>> another Alexander son of the above one died 1968 ae 89, and his wife >>> Annie. >>> Also a Robert who died in 1979. Probably none that you care about. I >>> have >>> a partial transcription of Clough cemetery. >>> >>> >>> LETTER FROM MARY STEVENSON SMITH TO HER BROTHER ADAM IN IOWA. MARY IS >>> THE >>> DAUGHTER OF WILLIAM AND LYDIA MORTON STEVENSON. >>> >>> "William St. >>> Ballymena >>> >>> June 10th, 1904 >>> >>> My Dear Brother, >>> >>> We were very glad to have your kind and welcome letter and to see from >>> it >>> you are all quite well. You will think us very long of replying to it, >>> but >>> you must not think I appreciated it any the less, but as I am not so >>> good >>> at >>> writing myself as I want to, I have to be more or less dependent on >>> someone >>> else. This is your cousin Adam Stevenson's eldest daughter that is >>> writing >>> you now but of course you don't know anything about his family. >>> >>> We are both quite well at present but indeed the past Winter has been >>> pretty >>> severe on me. I am hobbled with rheumatism and you yourself have a fair >>> idea what damp, wet weather means to those who are. We are enjoying >>> beautiful weather now and it makes me feel so much better. We have a >>> little >>> pony and trap and we drive out quite often to the country which is very >>> refreshing. >>> >>> You asked about some of our neighbors. Indeed there are so many >>> changes, >>> it >>> would be difficult for me to tell you about them all. I will however do >>> my >>> best to remember all that I think would interest you. >>> >>> Andrew Kerr is still alive and has been enjoying (I should judge from >>> his >>> robust appearance) excellent health up till a month or two ago when he >>> was >>> ill for some time, but I think he is quite well again. He is living at >>> present in Casemento Castle with people named Calderwood who have part >>> of >>> it >>> rented. He sold his farm some years ago and has been living on his means >>> since. His old sister Jane who used to live with him died 9 or 10 years >>> ago. James and William his brothers are also both dead. A son of James >>> died last February, Adam Stevenson Kerr. There is only one more son and >>> daughter left who still live in the old place. William's family are all >>> married but one son who lives at home, a widow sister keeps house for >>> him. >>> She was married to cousin James Stevenson, who died four years ago. >>> Uncle >>> and Aunt Stevenson are both dead some years ago. Their farm was sold >>> after >>> young James died and John Adams, a brother in law of Adam's bought it. >>> >>> Robert Hanna died this Spring and his son John is living on the farm. >>> Mary >>> Jane Harbinson was married to a man named Campbell, who died shortly >>> after >>> they were married. She has two of a family, little girls the eldest is >>> about 11 years of age. She lives on her Grandfather's farm in the >>> Cabrogh. >>> Lydia is married in America. I think she is in New York State. Susan >>> was >>> married to Adam Harbinson, her cousin, but is dead and he is married >>> again >>> to Annie Morton. >>> >>> James Cumming is still alive and looks quite fresh for a man of his age. >>> David Park is dead six or seven years ago and a son of Robert Guy's >>> lives >>> on >>> his farm. His family live in coffer houses through the country and work >>> for >>> the farmers. >>> >>> We received your photos alright, and I need not tell you how glad I was >>> to >>> have it. John and I will have ours taken sometime soon and will send >>> you >>> ours soon as we get them. >>> >>> I hope this will find you all quite well, as it leaves us at present. >>> >>> Your affect. Sister, >>> >>> Mary Smith." >>> >>> >>> Anne Shier Klintworth >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg >>> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 8:05 PM >>> To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Carnlea - Parks >>> >>> Thankyou Nevin for your reply. >>> The Parks all seem to come from Carnlea. >>> Though they mainly married at Killymurris >>> they are not all buried there, although some may have >>> moved away. >>> Can anyone tell me where the Presbyterian Church in >>> the Parish of Kirkinriola is? >>> >>> Regards, Ronda >>> >>> Send instant messages to your online friends >>> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry no-one mentioned dates for PRONI so was not aware you needed a much earlier period. Not sure what else PRONI has that you could look at? Maybe the freeholder's records they start 1700's I think. You can search those online? Regards Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier Klintworth Sent: 14 November 2006 16:22 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Thanks Pam. I have been to PRONI and the film for Clough starts at 1865. I was hoping you had found information from earlier than that some place else. Anne -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Craven Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:16 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Anne If you go on to PRONI site you can see what records they have Eg http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/private/presindx.htm Will give you their number for Clough church. Records were burned or pulped but many churches took a copy before sending to Dublin so fortunately in these cases the church records were saved. Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier Klintworth Sent: 14 November 2006 11:59 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Rhonda, I am curious about the marriage below. You say married at Clough - I had been told that the church records there were burned. Is that not correct? Anne -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:53 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan Wendy Can you tell me if your Sloans have any link with James Sloan who married Jane? abt 1825 (at Clough) and whose children were Joseph, Jane, Margaret, Ann, Eliz, Martha, William and Robert. Regards, Ronda Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was more thinking of being photographed, copied, scanned, something...it'd be a shame to see them disappear forever... -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier Klintworth Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:05 PM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan I am not sure they would allow it to be transcribed. My sister and I talked to them about it and they seemed to think the Council would not allow it. But then that was a few years ago. Things may have changed. -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robt & Wendy Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:45 PM To: DaveReed@midmaine.com; irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan me too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Reed" <DaveReed@midmaine.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > Wouldn't it be nice if someone would be willing to fund that for a > project? > Or put together a plan and take up a collection to get it done. I'd help > out... > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier > Klintworth > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:43 PM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Yes, I have done that. I think I have looked at or had someone look at > what > there is at PRONI. I have been working more on finding things locally. > Just in case someone needs to know, the records for the cemetery at Clough > and Kirkinriola cemetery are kept at the Borough Council office in > Ballymena. They will look in the book for a specific date, but not search > it for a general family name. They will not let you look through the > book. > But sometimes sweet talking gets them to look for names :) > > The books should be transcribed or microfilmed because they are coming > apart, but they said there is no money to do anything with them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Craven > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:20 PM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Sorry no-one mentioned dates for PRONI so was not aware you needed a much > earlier period. Not sure what else PRONI has that you could look at? > Maybe > the freeholder's records they start 1700's I think. You can search those > online? > > Regards Pam > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier > Klintworth > Sent: 14 November 2006 16:22 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Thanks Pam. I have been to PRONI and the film for Clough starts at 1865. > I > was hoping you had found information from earlier than that some place > else. > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Craven > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:16 AM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Anne > > If you go on to PRONI site you can see what records they have > > Eg http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/private/presindx.htm > > Will give you their number for Clough church. > > Records were burned or pulped but many churches took a copy before sending > to Dublin so fortunately in these cases the church records were saved. > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier > Klintworth > Sent: 14 November 2006 11:59 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Rhonda, > > I am curious about the marriage below. You say married at Clough - I had > been told that the church records there were burned. Is that not correct? > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:53 AM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Wendy > > Can you tell me if your Sloans have any link with James Sloan who married > Jane? abt 1825 (at Clough) and whose children were Joseph, Jane, Margaret, > Ann, Eliz, Martha, William and Robert. > > Regards, Ronda > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am not sure they would allow it to be transcribed. My sister and I talked to them about it and they seemed to think the Council would not allow it. But then that was a few years ago. Things may have changed. -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robt & Wendy Stevenson Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:45 PM To: DaveReed@midmaine.com; irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan me too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Reed" <DaveReed@midmaine.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > Wouldn't it be nice if someone would be willing to fund that for a > project? > Or put together a plan and take up a collection to get it done. I'd help > out... > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier > Klintworth > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:43 PM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Yes, I have done that. I think I have looked at or had someone look at > what > there is at PRONI. I have been working more on finding things locally. > Just in case someone needs to know, the records for the cemetery at Clough > and Kirkinriola cemetery are kept at the Borough Council office in > Ballymena. They will look in the book for a specific date, but not search > it for a general family name. They will not let you look through the > book. > But sometimes sweet talking gets them to look for names :) > > The books should be transcribed or microfilmed because they are coming > apart, but they said there is no money to do anything with them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Craven > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:20 PM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Sorry no-one mentioned dates for PRONI so was not aware you needed a much > earlier period. Not sure what else PRONI has that you could look at? > Maybe > the freeholder's records they start 1700's I think. You can search those > online? > > Regards Pam > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier > Klintworth > Sent: 14 November 2006 16:22 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Thanks Pam. I have been to PRONI and the film for Clough starts at 1865. > I > was hoping you had found information from earlier than that some place > else. > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Craven > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:16 AM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Anne > > If you go on to PRONI site you can see what records they have > > Eg http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/private/presindx.htm > > Will give you their number for Clough church. > > Records were burned or pulped but many churches took a copy before sending > to Dublin so fortunately in these cases the church records were saved. > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier > Klintworth > Sent: 14 November 2006 11:59 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Rhonda, > > I am curious about the marriage below. You say married at Clough - I had > been told that the church records there were burned. Is that not correct? > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:53 AM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Wendy > > Can you tell me if your Sloans have any link with James Sloan who married > Jane? abt 1825 (at Clough) and whose children were Joseph, Jane, Margaret, > Ann, Eliz, Martha, William and Robert. > > Regards, Ronda > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

me too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Reed" <DaveReed@midmaine.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > Wouldn't it be nice if someone would be willing to fund that for a > project? > Or put together a plan and take up a collection to get it done. I'd help > out... > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier > Klintworth > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:43 PM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Yes, I have done that. I think I have looked at or had someone look at > what > there is at PRONI. I have been working more on finding things locally. > Just in case someone needs to know, the records for the cemetery at Clough > and Kirkinriola cemetery are kept at the Borough Council office in > Ballymena. They will look in the book for a specific date, but not search > it for a general family name. They will not let you look through the > book. > But sometimes sweet talking gets them to look for names :) > > The books should be transcribed or microfilmed because they are coming > apart, but they said there is no money to do anything with them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Craven > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:20 PM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Sorry no-one mentioned dates for PRONI so was not aware you needed a much > earlier period. Not sure what else PRONI has that you could look at? > Maybe > the freeholder's records they start 1700's I think. You can search those > online? > > Regards Pam > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier > Klintworth > Sent: 14 November 2006 16:22 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Thanks Pam. I have been to PRONI and the film for Clough starts at 1865. > I > was hoping you had found information from earlier than that some place > else. > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Craven > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:16 AM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Anne > > If you go on to PRONI site you can see what records they have > > Eg http://www.proni.gov.uk/records/private/presindx.htm > > Will give you their number for Clough church. > > Records were burned or pulped but many churches took a copy before sending > to Dublin so fortunately in these cases the church records were saved. > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Shier > Klintworth > Sent: 14 November 2006 11:59 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Rhonda, > > I am curious about the marriage below. You say married at Clough - I had > been told that the church records there were burned. Is that not correct? > > Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronda Gregg > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:53 AM > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Sloan > > Wendy > > Can you tell me if your Sloans have any link with James Sloan who married > Jane? abt 1825 (at Clough) and whose children were Joseph, Jane, Margaret, > Ann, Eliz, Martha, William and Robert. > > Regards, Ronda > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >