Looking at the various msg. on the subject brings to mind something they have done for centuries in Maryland. The Eastern Shore (of the Chesapeake Bay) is very flat, it is just a few feet above sea level and in addition to that there is a huge aquifer of fresh water just a 100 feet or more below ground level. This is mostly farm land and what they have been doing is piling up the soil of the highest part of the farm, so you see these raised burial grounds rising up in the middle of corn or soy bean fields . This is necessary for most of the Eastern Shore except for a few areas as the buried bodies floated up to the surface. Gordon

I live in Maine (USA), where cemeteries can be very small, but plentiful. I know it sounds a little creepy, but, to me, it's really...something...sentimental, to see so many small family-cemeteries, in the back yards of homes. We have one behind our family home, and it's maybe just twenty people that are identified, and another twenty who were marked only with a piece of flat stone (no markings, just a flat rock). (Time were tough in the old days). As they say "Known only to God now." -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gordon crooks Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 10:37 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery Pam: Your msg. to Ruth interested me also. I knew you allowed two burials per grave, the same as we do here, but I had never heard of the 3 bodies rule. Is this to reduce the number of cemeteries as land is scariest? What would you say is the average size for a cemetery? Here in the U.S., other than the very earliest ones, most are 50 acres or larger, I know of one which is over 200 acres. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery > Ruth > > Not sure what you are alluding to but in the UK including N Ireland as > church graveyards became full the local towns opened up cemeteries. All > denominations were then buried there if their churchyard was full and/or > they did not have a family plot in the church that could take more bodies. > Plots are allowed to hold 3 bodies each, there was an embargo on the > length > of time between first and last burial not sure how long, but if eg someone > had been buried 50 years ago they may then allow 3 more recent burials in > the plot = 4 burials in that plot. Although I think that ruling has now > been abolished and it is 3 burial only regardless of the time between fist > and last. > > Sometimes a cemetery is divided up to allow different denominations to be > buried in the same area. > > Hope this is the answer you are looking for? > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Enns > Sent: 18 November 2006 02:15 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery > > Wondering if there is any rhyme or reason to this place? > > When I was fortunate to have visited there, years ago, before genealogy > study, the local minister gave me to believe it was a bit of a 'catch > all'..........Protestants, RC etc.people from all over the area....... > > Does anyone have any knowledge of this or its records? > > Curious, > > Ruth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pam: Your msg. to Ruth interested me also. I knew you allowed two burials per grave, the same as we do here, but I had never heard of the 3 bodies rule. Is this to reduce the number of cemeteries as land is scariest? What would you say is the average size for a cemetery? Here in the U.S., other than the very earliest ones, most are 50 acres or larger, I know of one which is over 200 acres. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery > Ruth > > Not sure what you are alluding to but in the UK including N Ireland as > church graveyards became full the local towns opened up cemeteries. All > denominations were then buried there if their churchyard was full and/or > they did not have a family plot in the church that could take more bodies. > Plots are allowed to hold 3 bodies each, there was an embargo on the > length > of time between first and last burial not sure how long, but if eg someone > had been buried 50 years ago they may then allow 3 more recent burials in > the plot = 4 burials in that plot. Although I think that ruling has now > been abolished and it is 3 burial only regardless of the time between fist > and last. > > Sometimes a cemetery is divided up to allow different denominations to be > buried in the same area. > > Hope this is the answer you are looking for? > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Enns > Sent: 18 November 2006 02:15 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery > > Wondering if there is any rhyme or reason to this place? > > When I was fortunate to have visited there, years ago, before genealogy > study, the local minister gave me to believe it was a bit of a 'catch > all'..........Protestants, RC etc.people from all over the area....... > > Does anyone have any knowledge of this or its records? > > Curious, > > Ruth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Di: Are you sure of your spelling? I know of a Ballyclaverty which is in the parish of Donegorn, Co. Antrim. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Di Gibbs" <di@the-gibbsonline.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Place name: Ballecragely > Can someone help me please with the name of this place in Co Antrim? I > have > tried to locate it on online maps and websites but to no avail. I am > beginning to wonder if it is the name of a house. > > It is from a marriage certificate, and as the wedding took place in > England > the minister was most probably not familiar with the place name. > > Thanking anyone for any help or suggestions as to where to look for help. > > Regards, > > Di > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I can find no Lisnahigh but there are two Lisnahays in the parish of Carncastle in East Antrim. There are no Cathcarts or Forbes listed in that parish in the 1861 Griffith's Valuation. Might your William Cathcart have gone to Victoria, Australia? Familysearch lists a William Cathcart born 1808 in Clogh, parish of Dunaghy, mid Antrim who died on 9 July 1885 in Victoria. His parents are listed as Robert and Mrs Cathcart. Regards Nevin Taggart

Yes, thanks, Pam, It just seemed to me there was no particular order in the Ballynure Cemetery. I always thought Parishioners were buried in the churchyard of their faith, but this does not seem to be so, there. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery > Ruth > > Not sure what you are alluding to but in the UK including N Ireland as > church graveyards became full the local towns opened up cemeteries. All > denominations were then buried there if their churchyard was full and/or > they did not have a family plot in the church that could take more bodies. > Plots are allowed to hold 3 bodies each, there was an embargo on the > length > of time between first and last burial not sure how long, but if eg someone > had been buried 50 years ago they may then allow 3 more recent burials in > the plot = 4 burials in that plot. Although I think that ruling has now > been abolished and it is 3 burial only regardless of the time between fist > and last. > > Sometimes a cemetery is divided up to allow different denominations to be > buried in the same area. > > Hope this is the answer you are looking for? > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Enns > Sent: 18 November 2006 02:15 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery > > Wondering if there is any rhyme or reason to this place? > > When I was fortunate to have visited there, years ago, before genealogy > study, the local minister gave me to believe it was a bit of a 'catch > all'..........Protestants, RC etc.people from all over the area....... > > Does anyone have any knowledge of this or its records? > > Curious, > > Ruth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery > Ruth > > Not sure what you are alluding to but in the UK including N Ireland as > church graveyards became full the local towns opened up cemeteries. All > denominations were then buried there if their churchyard was full and/or > they did not have a family plot in the church that could take more bodies. > Plots are allowed to hold 3 bodies each, there was an embargo on the > length > of time between first and last burial not sure how long, but if eg someone > had been buried 50 years ago they may then allow 3 more recent burials in > the plot = 4 burials in that plot. Although I think that ruling has now > been abolished and it is 3 burial only regardless of the time between fist > and last. > > Sometimes a cemetery is divided up to allow different denominations to be > buried in the same area. > > Hope this is the answer you are looking for? > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Enns > Sent: 18 November 2006 02:15 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery > > Wondering if there is any rhyme or reason to this place? > > When I was fortunate to have visited there, years ago, before genealogy > study, the local minister gave me to believe it was a bit of a 'catch > all'..........Protestants, RC etc.people from all over the area....... > > Does anyone have any knowledge of this or its records? > > Curious, > > Ruth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If you want Grove, have you checked the pedigree of Campbell-Grove in Burke's Irish Family Records? Begins with THOMAS GROVE m, and had issue, THOMAS GROVE, of Castle Shanahan, co Donegal (living there 1666-77), Sheriff of Donegal 1664, Commr of Assessments for co 1655, Collr of Customs Derry 1643-74, m Margaret (d ante 20 Feb 1677/8), only dau of Peter Benson, of Elagh, Ald of Derry, and d 17 Dec 1681 (Funeral Entry, UO), leaving issue etc etc Charlie ----- Original Message ----- From: <TaggartN@aol.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc > Peggy there are few Groves in Antrim or Derry so perhaps you should follow > the Grovews line in order to identify a possible location. > > Regards > Nevin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/537 - Release Date: 17/11/2006 > 17:56 > >

Steve, families a few generations back 'recycled' earlier first names. Here are the Robert and Henry Purdys in Griffith's Valuation for Co Antrim in 1861 Purdy, Henry Parish : Carrickfergus Location : Middle Division Purdy, Henry Parish : Glynn Location : Newlands Purdy, Robert Parish : Templecorran Location : Knocknagulliagh They're all in south-east Antrim between Larne and Carrickfergus. You can locate these two towns and Bushmills on Multimap.com by selecting Northern Ireland and then the town name. There's additional information about the townlands in seanruad.com. Knocknagulliagh, according to a Google search is just west of Whitehead, a small town. Enter Whitehead in Multimap and it takes you to Knocknaculliagh: _http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=54.7431&lon=-5.7263&scale=25000&ic on=x_ (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=54.7431&lon=-5.7263&scale=25000&icon=x) Newlands in the parish of Glynn is near Larne. _http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=54.8091&lon=-5.7959&scale=25000&ic on=x_ (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=54.8091&lon=-5.7959&scale=25000&icon=x) Middle Division is just north of Carrickfergus: _http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=54.7397&lon=-5.8398&scale=25000&ic on=x_ (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=54.7397&lon=-5.8398&scale=25000&icon=x) Regards Nevin

Hi Karen It's always nice to hear from other Purdy/Purdie relatives. Your gg-grandmother's parents (John and Elizabeth) would be around the same age as my gg-grandfather Robert. Would you know where Bushmills is located in Antrim? Here's some of my info so far, maybe it could help you find a link. 1-1 Robert Purdy m. Jane Bigelow in 1850 in Quebec, Canada children: Eliza, Nancy, Mary, Henry, Margaret, Robert, William, Elizabeth, James, Martha, Alexander, Sarah, Mary. 1-2 Henry Purdy (Brother to Robert) m. Janet Douglas - children: William, Henry 1-3 Nancy Purdy (Sister to Robert) m. John Campbell - 8 children Thanks Steve -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of A & K Hitchcock Sent: November 19, 2006 2:46 AM To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] roll call PURDY/PURDIE Hi Steve My gg-grandmother was Rose Ann(e) Purdy/Purdie, born around 1860 in Bushmills Antrim. Parents are given on her marriage certificate as John Purdy (a farmer) and Elizabeth Kelly. I have no other details. She came to New Zealand in 1875, unaccompanied as far as I can tell. No details of any other family, etc. Perhaps there is a link somewhere? Cheers Karen Hitchcock Auckland, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Purdy" <purdz@ntl.sympatico.ca> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] roll call PURDY/PURDIE > Hello Listers, I'm returning to the list after sometime, and thought > I'd put > out my query. > > I'm looking for any info on Robert Purdy b.abt.1830. Married Jane > Bigelow in > 1850 and had 13 children. > He and a brother Henry and sister Nancy reportedly came over to > Canada with > 2 uncles in 1842 . > No mention of parents. > > Any help would be great > Steve > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peggy, please change the subject line, as it appears that all these emails are about Stevenson, whereas I think you are talking about Johnson. You may miss some responders if they delete messages by subject. Thanks Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc > It's me again with regard to the Johnstons. Also have John Johnston, Aug > 20, 1824, Londonderry to Philadelphia, on the James M. Family number > 192966. James is supposed to have emigrated with cousin John from > Londonderry, but it was supposed to be 1827. Unless it took a while to > get > to Gloucester Township, Carleton County, Ontario. Or this is not my > family. > Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc > > >> Peggy: Do you have an arrival date for the Pa. one? >> >> Gordon >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc >> >> >>> No, my James ended up in Canada. However, I did see on the ships' lists, >>> one >>> going to Pennsylvania. Unless he went there first. >>> Peggy >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:34 AM >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc >>> >>> >>>> Peggy: Did you Jamse Johnston immigrate to the USA? I know of one in >>>> Pennsylvania. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> >>>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:51 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Nevin, >>>>> Would it have the area or parish or town where the tithes were paid? >>>>> I >>>>> don't know exactly where James Johnston was from and would really like >>>>> to >>>>> find out. >>>>> Peggy Gordon >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <TaggartN@aol.com> >>>>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:34 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> There are some Tithe Applottment records for the 1820s but they just >>>>>> name >>>>>> the leaseholder who paid tithes. Johnston is a very common name in Co >>>>>> Antrim. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nevin >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have you seen the Crook and Crooks entries in teh Belfast News Letter online index? Linde Lunney

Minor correction to previous post - generational confusion - Robert Hegan, born about 1817, was my g.g.grandfather, and Mary Jane Gray, born about 1828, was my g.g.grandmother. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Morgan" <chrismorgan4@btinternet.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Hagan/Hagen - also Hegan, Heggan, Higgin, Hagin,etc > Doreen, > > I'm unable to link to any of these details, however I'm also looking for > connections to similarly named ancestors. > > In Ulster the name pronounced like Hagan can be spelled in many ways. > Hagin, > Hegan, Hagen, Higgin, Heggan, Haggan, Haggen - and that's just for > starters! > Literacy wasn't very good until the mid and latter part of the 19th > Century, > particularly amongst the poorer folk. Once away from Ulster the names have > all acquired different pronunciations, of that I'm sure! > > My great-grandmother signed the marriage register at St Anne's in Belfast > as > Mary Hegan when she married Charles Morgan. The minister has written her > name as Mary Hagan, and that's how it appears in all the index records. > Her > mother registered the birth of Mary's children. She signed with an X, but > the surname was recorded as Hagan. > > My grandfather had a friend, although he may well have been a relative, > called Samuel Hegan. I've tracked back on his ancestry with certificates > and > his family spell themselves as Hegan, Hagan, and Heggan. They seem to come > from the area of Ballboley/Ballyeaston/Ballynure/Ballycor in Antrim. > > A 3rd cousin in Armagh reckons, from her family memories, that we have a > related family branch calling itself Hagin - but we can't prove a link. > > My great-grandfather was buried as Robert Hegan, although earlier records > show him as Hagan, or Higgin. He was born about 1817, but I can't discover > where. Nor can I discover where he married Mary Jane Gray. He died in > Belfast in 1881, his wife in 1891. > > Descendants moved to New Jersey, but I've no details of emigration before > the 1890's. It's highly possible that the ones I've traced followed an > earlier generation to the New World. > > Known sons of Robert and Mary Jane Hegan were James, Robert, Thomas, and > William. Daughters were Mary, Margaret, and Eliza Jane. The children who > survived until the 1901 Census say they were all born in Co. Antrim. When > they all arrived in Belfast, or where from, I don't know. Coincidental > that > they are similar names to yours - however they were all very common names > in > the 19th Century. > > I'm not having any success proving any details pre-1860. And I've been > trying for almost 10 years. > > Is there anyone out there who can help us? > > Chris Morgan > Sheffield

Doreen, I'm unable to link to any of these details, however I'm also looking for connections to similarly named ancestors. In Ulster the name pronounced like Hagan can be spelled in many ways. Hagin, Hegan, Hagen, Higgin, Heggan, Haggan, Haggen - and that's just for starters! Literacy wasn't very good until the mid and latter part of the 19th Century, particularly amongst the poorer folk. Once away from Ulster the names have all acquired different pronunciations, of that I'm sure! My great-grandmother signed the marriage register at St Anne's in Belfast as Mary Hegan when she married Charles Morgan. The minister has written her name as Mary Hagan, and that's how it appears in all the index records. Her mother registered the birth of Mary's children. She signed with an X, but the surname was recorded as Hagan. My grandfather had a friend, although he may well have been a relative, called Samuel Hegan. I've tracked back on his ancestry with certificates and his family spell themselves as Hegan, Hagan, and Heggan. They seem to come from the area of Ballboley/Ballyeaston/Ballynure/Ballycor in Antrim. A 3rd cousin in Armagh reckons, from her family memories, that we have a related family branch calling itself Hagin - but we can't prove a link. My great-grandfather was buried as Robert Hegan, although earlier records show him as Hagan, or Higgin. He was born about 1817, but I can't discover where. Nor can I discover where he married Mary Jane Gray. He died in Belfast in 1881, his wife in 1891. Descendants moved to New Jersey, but I've no details of emigration before the 1890's. It's highly possible that the ones I've traced followed an earlier generation to the New World. Known sons of Robert and Mary Jane Hegan were James, Robert, Thomas, and William. Daughters were Mary, Margaret, and Eliza Jane. The children who survived until the 1901 Census say they were all born in Co. Antrim. When they all arrived in Belfast, or where from, I don't know. Coincidental that they are similar names to yours - however they were all very common names in the 19th Century. I'm not having any success proving any details pre-1860. And I've been trying for almost 10 years. Is there anyone out there who can help us? Chris Morgan Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doreen Guerriero" <sadoguerr@shaw.ca> To: <IRL-ANTRIM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 1:35 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Hagan/Hagen > My ancestor Samuel Hagan was born Oct. 1, 1794 , Kilroote, married > Margaret McDonald born 1797, emigrated about 1845 to Huron Co.ON Their > children - James born Belfast, Margaret, Elizabeth, Jane, Robert & Samuel, > all born Carrickfergus also emigrated to Ontario. Looking for ancestors in > Ireland. Like to hear from anyone with a possible connection Doreen > >

Thanks Niven: Didn't work as I need a much earlier period of time between 1690-1741 Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: <TaggartN@aol.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:42 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Belfast Newsletter Index 1737-1800 > Web link > > _http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/bnl/_ (http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/bnl/) > > Regards > Nevin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Linde: No I didn't know about them and would be interested in the web site address. In the USA the name Crooks is fairly rare, but not across the pond . In 1988 I was in Edinburgh and opened the local telephone book up to Crooks and almost fainted at the number of pages of them. Here in the metropolitan telephone book covering about 2 million names are are just 30 Crooks listed. You might be interested to know in June 1621 they were only two male Crooks listed in the Londonderry Muster Roll. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "DIB" <DIB@ucd.ie> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 7:28 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Crooks > Have you seen the Crook and Crooks entries in teh Belfast News Letter > online index? > > Linde Lunney > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Nevin: Boy are you luckt I have 68 e mails in the over night batch, at around 9 a.m. a local batch will come thru, a slow day is around 150 msgs.I once went away for a week and forgot to unsubscribe, I hope never to repeat that nightmare! Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: <TaggartN@aol.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] 24 hours > > In a message dated 20/11/2006 11:48:25 PM GMT Standard Time, > glcrooks@bcpl.net writes: > > you were there before me. Do you ever sleep, eat and knock a few back? > > > > I'm in Co Antrim so maybe there's a time difference!! I just handle up to > about 20 emails a day - some very quickly. And I stay off the booze :) > > Nevin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Peggy: Your Johnston is too late, the James Johnston I am lookinfg for was in Franklin Co., Pa. no later than 1733. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 3:06 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc > Aug 1824, James M (ship name), Londonderry to Philadelphia. However, > don't > know if it is my James.Also have Oct 11, 1824 Liverpool to New York, ship > Hector, James Johnston age 26 which would be his age in 1824. > It is so hard to trace ships, etc. > Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc > > >> Peggy: Do you have an arrival date for the Pa. one? >> >> Gordon >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc >> >> >>> No, my James ended up in Canada. However, I did see on the ships' lists, >>> one >>> going to Pennsylvania. Unless he went there first. >>> Peggy >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "gordon crooks" <glcrooks@bcpl.net> >>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:34 AM >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc >>> >>> >>>> Peggy: Did you Jamse Johnston immigrate to the USA? I know of one in >>>> Pennsylvania. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&rgordon@telus.net> >>>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 11:51 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Nevin, >>>>> Would it have the area or parish or town where the tithes were paid? >>>>> I >>>>> don't know exactly where James Johnston was from and would really like >>>>> to >>>>> find out. >>>>> Peggy Gordon >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: <TaggartN@aol.com> >>>>> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:34 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] STEVENSON - Poll Tax etc >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> There are some Tithe Applottment records for the 1820s but they just >>>>>> name >>>>>> the leaseholder who paid tithes. Johnston is a very common name in Co >>>>>> Antrim. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nevin >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Web link _http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/bnl/_ (http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/bnl/) Regards Nevin

Peggy there are few Groves in Antrim or Derry so perhaps you should follow the Grovews line in order to identify a possible location. Regards Nevin