Ballymena only has details of Protestant marriages from 1845 and Catholic marriages from 1864. In either case you might need to try the local churches. Nevin

Thank you! Ray -------------- Original message -------------- From: TaggartN@aol.com > Ray, the info you want is in this link > > _http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/IRL-ANTRIM.html_ > (http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/IRL-ANTRIM.html) > > Regards > Nevin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Apologies if this is a repeat, but I haven't seen it come up even though I thought I sent it 4 days ago. <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> I'm looking for Cathcarts from Antrim. I have James Cathcart b 1836 Lisnahigh, Antrim, Ireland, son of William , mother Jane Forbes. Married Susannah Dickeson/Dixon/Dickson b Surrey England in 1866 in Australia. James migrated to Australia probably in the 1850s/1860s. Further information on William and Jane would be much appreciated.

Is there a digest form of the Antrim List? I am becoming overwhelmed by the number of individual items. It is great, however, to see such great interest and informative communication. All the Best! Ray MacWilliams

Hi Gordon The cemeteries I have visited have all varied in size with extra land if available alongside being opened up and used, this is both in N Ireland and England. For many, a churchyard burial is not possible as those graveyards have been 'closed' as full. In Antrim my grandparents bought 2 graves alongside each other for themselves and 4 children. This was when my aunt died aged 2. She was buried there 82 years ago alongside my sister the next one 65 years ago then both my grandparents 40 years ago and my aunt in 2004, her husband 1990, and my uncle 2005 so altogether 7 in the 2 graves, this is because two of them were so long ago. I think at one time the 2 earlier ones would have been discounted and there would have been room for one more but those graves are now 'closed' So nothing fixed as far as I can see it depends on where there is land I guess. Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ITS SALES Sent: 22 November 2006 15:54 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery Hi Pam, In Scotland to this day we can have 4 burials in one plot and plots in graveyards are very small. I know this because both my grandparents and great aunt and uncle are buried in the same plot. Regards Sharon -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gordon crooks Sent: 22 November 2006 15:37 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery Pam: Your msg. to Ruth interested me also. I knew you allowed two burials per grave, the same as we do here, but I had never heard of the 3 bodies rule. Is this to reduce the number of cemeteries as land is scariest? What would you say is the average size for a cemetery? Here in the U.S., other than the very earliest ones, most are 50 acres or larger, I know of one which is over 200 acres. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery > Ruth > > Not sure what you are alluding to but in the UK including N Ireland as > church graveyards became full the local towns opened up cemeteries. All > denominations were then buried there if their churchyard was full and/or > they did not have a family plot in the church that could take more bodies. > Plots are allowed to hold 3 bodies each, there was an embargo on the > length > of time between first and last burial not sure how long, but if eg someone > had been buried 50 years ago they may then allow 3 more recent burials in > the plot = 4 burials in that plot. Although I think that ruling has now > been abolished and it is 3 burial only regardless of the time between fist > and last. > > Sometimes a cemetery is divided up to allow different denominations to be > buried in the same area. > > Hope this is the answer you are looking for? > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Enns > Sent: 18 November 2006 02:15 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery > > Wondering if there is any rhyme or reason to this place? > > When I was fortunate to have visited there, years ago, before genealogy > study, the local minister gave me to believe it was a bit of a 'catch > all'..........Protestants, RC etc.people from all over the area....... > > Does anyone have any knowledge of this or its records? > > Curious, > > Ruth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Nevin, My William SHORT married a Margaret DAVIDSON on 31/8/1846 at Portglenone, County Antrim, Ireland they had a son Robert John SHORT who says in Scottish census he was Irish b 1852 (according to census records). Don't know where to start looking is there marriage certs available at this time. Where do I go? This information is available on LDS is there anywhere I can get full certs from this and how do I obtain them. I did not know that Short was an Irish Name. Their son Robert John SHORT was always known as John SHORT. My granny was a SHORT I am really interested. I have no information on any other siblings. Regards Sharon -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TaggartN@aol.com Sent: 22 November 2006 18:27 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Portgelone Sharon, Portglenone is a small town on the River Bann; it's also the name of a parish. Map link _http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=54.8733&lon=-6.4732&scale=25000& ic on=x_ (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=54.8733&lon=-6.4732&scale=25000& icon=x) I see no Shorts there in 1861 (Griffith's Valuation) but there is a James Davidson in the townland of Gortgole, parish of Portglenone. Gortgole is on the east bank of the river just north of Portglenone. Any dates? Regards Nevin Taggart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't see any Kilmurrys in Ulster but there is a Kilcurry in the parish of Portglenone: _http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=54.8216&lon=-6.4247&scale=25000&ic on=x_ (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=54.8216&lon=-6.4247&scale=25000&icon=x) Nevin

Hi Nevin Thank you so much for the details of this website I found school registers for my McFerran's in Crushybracken in the parish of Rasharkin. I have the PRONI reference number can anyone kindly advise how I can obtain copies of these records? - I live in England. Regards Maureen -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TaggartN@aol.com Sent: 20 November 2006 16:09 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymoney Ancestry website _http://www.ballymoneyancestry.com/_ (http://www.ballymoneyancestry.com/) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Listers might be interested in some of the articles that have been published online _http://www.antrimhistory.net/_ (http://www.antrimhistory.net/) Regards Nevin

John Cochan (b 1780) and wife Margaret (maiden name may be Wallace) immigrated in 1811 from Ballymoney, County Antrim to Westmoreland Co., PA. He supposedly had a single brother who stayed in Antrim. They were Presbyterian. Were there many Presbyterian parishes in Ballymoney in the late 1700s and early 1800s? JoAnn Cupp Grass Valley, CA

Ray, the info you want is in this link _http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/IRL-ANTRIM.html_ (http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/NIR/IRL-ANTRIM.html) Regards Nevin

In a message dated 22/11/2006 8:22:38 PM GMT Standard Time, sales@its-limited.co.uk writes: My William SHORT married a Margaret DAVIDSON on 31/8/1846 at Portglenone, County Antrim You should be able to get a copy of the marriage certificate from the Registrar of Births, Marriages and Deaths at Ballymena Borough Council Office _http://www.ballymena.gov.uk/contact.asp_ (http://www.ballymena.gov.uk/contact.asp) This certificate will contain the names of the couple's fathers and their occupations; the (townland) addresses and occupations of the bride and groom at the time of marriage; the name of the church and the clergyman who officiated; the names of the two witnesses. It's easier if you can tell them the name of the church but they may be able to identify the church with the information you can supply. Regards Nevin

Does any know of the history of Portglenone. I have a William Short who married a Margaret Davidson there. Been to Northern Ireland before but never heard of this town. Have only been to Dunigadee and Larne. Kind Regards Sharon

Hi Pam, In Scotland to this day we can have 4 burials in one plot and plots in graveyards are very small. I know this because both my grandparents and great aunt and uncle are buried in the same plot. Regards Sharon -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gordon crooks Sent: 22 November 2006 15:37 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery Pam: Your msg. to Ruth interested me also. I knew you allowed two burials per grave, the same as we do here, but I had never heard of the 3 bodies rule. Is this to reduce the number of cemeteries as land is scariest? What would you say is the average size for a cemetery? Here in the U.S., other than the very earliest ones, most are 50 acres or larger, I know of one which is over 200 acres. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery > Ruth > > Not sure what you are alluding to but in the UK including N Ireland as > church graveyards became full the local towns opened up cemeteries. All > denominations were then buried there if their churchyard was full and/or > they did not have a family plot in the church that could take more bodies. > Plots are allowed to hold 3 bodies each, there was an embargo on the > length > of time between first and last burial not sure how long, but if eg someone > had been buried 50 years ago they may then allow 3 more recent burials in > the plot = 4 burials in that plot. Although I think that ruling has now > been abolished and it is 3 burial only regardless of the time between fist > and last. > > Sometimes a cemetery is divided up to allow different denominations to be > buried in the same area. > > Hope this is the answer you are looking for? > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Enns > Sent: 18 November 2006 02:15 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery > > Wondering if there is any rhyme or reason to this place? > > When I was fortunate to have visited there, years ago, before genealogy > study, the local minister gave me to believe it was a bit of a 'catch > all'..........Protestants, RC etc.people from all over the area....... > > Does anyone have any knowledge of this or its records? > > Curious, > > Ruth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Actually, it did come through Beth, as I was tempted to answer. I know Cathcarts in Co Fermanagh, 1600 and 1700's. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Young" <youngbeth@gmail.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Roll call Cathcart > Apologies if this is a repeat, but I haven't seen it come up even though I > thought I sent it 4 days ago. <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > > I'm looking for Cathcarts from Antrim. I have James Cathcart b 1836 > Lisnahigh, Antrim, Ireland, son of William , mother Jane Forbes. Married > Susannah Dickeson/Dixon/Dickson b Surrey England in 1866 in Australia. > James migrated to Australia probably in the 1850s/1860s. Further > information > on William and Jane would be much appreciated. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lorraine & Tim: I have gone onto Bill Macafee's site as suggested, & found a family name: "Wid McCleverty McClaverty Kilconway Dunaghy" Now, what is the next step, please? Thanks, Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorraine & Tim Weaver" <twe38573@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Another Ballymoney resource > Hi > > http://www.billmacafee.com/index.htm > > Regards Lorraine > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can someone help me please with the name of this place in Co Antrim? I have tried to locate it on online maps and websites but to no avail. I am beginning to wonder if it is the name of a house. It is from a marriage certificate, and as the wedding took place in England the minister was most probably not familiar with the place name. Thanking anyone for any help or suggestions as to where to look for help. Regards, Di

Di: There are 3 possibilities for the name of the townland you are searching. 1. BALLYCRAIGY - In the Parish of CARNMONEY near BELFAST. 2. BALLYCRAIGY - (Same spelling) In the Parish of LARNE. 3. BALLYCREGGY - In the Parish of BALLYCLUG near BALLYMENA. Mike Robinson

Sharon, Portglenone is a small town on the River Bann; it's also the name of a parish. Map link _http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=54.8733&lon=-6.4732&scale=25000&ic on=x_ (http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=54.8733&lon=-6.4732&scale=25000&icon=x) I see no Shorts there in 1861 (Griffith's Valuation) but there is a James Davidson in the townland of Gortgole, parish of Portglenone. Gortgole is on the east bank of the river just north of Portglenone. Any dates? Regards Nevin Taggart

Ruth Not sure what you are alluding to but in the UK including N Ireland as church graveyards became full the local towns opened up cemeteries. All denominations were then buried there if their churchyard was full and/or they did not have a family plot in the church that could take more bodies. Plots are allowed to hold 3 bodies each, there was an embargo on the length of time between first and last burial not sure how long, but if eg someone had been buried 50 years ago they may then allow 3 more recent burials in the plot = 4 burials in that plot. Although I think that ruling has now been abolished and it is 3 burial only regardless of the time between fist and last. Sometimes a cemetery is divided up to allow different denominations to be buried in the same area. Hope this is the answer you are looking for? Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Enns Sent: 18 November 2006 02:15 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ballymena Cemetery Wondering if there is any rhyme or reason to this place? When I was fortunate to have visited there, years ago, before genealogy study, the local minister gave me to believe it was a bit of a 'catch all'..........Protestants, RC etc.people from all over the area....... Does anyone have any knowledge of this or its records? Curious, Ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message