I am so excited to see the Gravestone inscriptions for Newtoncrommelin Presbyterian. My family are the Bells and McCombs. When there is a chance I'd love to see the complete transcriptions. Fran in California irl-antrim-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Gravestone inscriptions atNewtowncrommelin Presbyterian > burying-ground (Colin Liddell) > 2. Erindring of Dom 1733.....once more! (Carolyn "Cari" Thomas) > 3. Re: Antrim Interests - Lynn, O'Kane & Connery (macha) > 4. Re: Gravestone inscriptions at NewtowncrommelinPresbyterian > burying-ground (macha) > 5. Re: Gravestone inscriptions at Newtowncrommelin Presbyterian > burying-ground (Patricia Moosman) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:17:17 +1000 >From: "Colin Liddell" <caplid@optusnet.com.au> >Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Gravestone inscriptions atNewtowncrommelin > Presbyterian burying-ground >To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <01bc01c741d2$6bcb6d60$fc01a8c0@house1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >No sign of any McWilliams/McQuillins etc{;-( > >Colin in a warm Brisbane. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cliff. Johnston > To: N.E.Parkes ; irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Gravestone inscriptions atNewtowncrommelin Presbyterian burying-ground > > > Thanks for your efforts - I'm anxiously awaiting the next list... > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "N.E.Parkes" <N.E.Parkes@btinternet.com> > To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com>; <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:58 PM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Gravestone inscriptions at Newtowncrommelin > Presbyterian burying-ground > > > > List members, > > > > I am pleased to type out the inscriptions on gravestones at > > Newtowncrommelin > > Presbyterian burying ground in County Antrim. > > The inscriptions were published by a Ballymena based group some time ago. > > Only half of the family names found there are in my list below. A > > colleague > > will share the task with me and deal with the early part of the alphabetic > > list. > > > > Norman > > > > The family names are: > > > > MACALISTER > > MACINTYRE > > McALLISTER > > McBURNEY (x2) > > McCALISTER (x2) > > McCARTNEY (x5) > > McCOLLUM > > McCOMB (see BELL #2) > > McILROY (see STEWART #1) > > McINTYRE (x6) > > McKEE (see also SHAW) > > McKEOWN (see KENNEDY #1 and LOWRY) > > McKILLEN (see DARRAGH) > > McWATTERS > > MADILL > > MARK (x2) (in same plot as LOUGHRIDGE, WAIDE and WILSON) > > MARSHALL (x3)(see also HALL) > > MAXWELL > > MILLAR > > MOODY > > MOONEY > > MORRISON (see also KELLY #1) > > MURDOCK > > MURRAY > > NEILL > > NEVIN (x2) > > ORR > > ROSS > > RUSSELL (see also BRADSHAW) > > SCOTT (x2) > > SCULLION > > SHAW > > SIMPSON > > SMYTH (see also STEWART #2) > > STEWART (x2) > > STIRLING (see also McINTYRE #3) > > TAFTS > > TATE (x2) > > TURTLE (see NEVIN #1) > > WAIDE (in same plot as LOUGHRIDGE, MARK and WILSON) > > WALLACE > > WILSON (in same plot as LOUGHRIDGE, MARK and WAIDE) > > YOUNG > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:09:53 -0800 >From: "Carolyn \"Cari\" Thomas" <western37@cox.net> >Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Erindring of Dom 1733.....once more! >To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <C1E01EA1.E374%western37@cox.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:32:14 EST >From: TaggartN@aol.com >Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Fw: 1733 Medallion - THE ANSWER! >In a message dated 26/01/2007 2:29:50 AM GMT Standard Time, >norsky@mtintouch.net writes: > >Erindring af Dom >Reminder of judgement? From Norwegian and Danish > >Webster's online multilingual dictionary >Regards >Nevin > >VERY good point, Nevin... > >perhaps this makes more sense: > >Dom= dies Dominica (Lat) for Sunday. > >Erindring of Dom 29 Novemb?? 1733 >Remembrance of Sunday 29 November 1733 > >According to the perpetual calendar at ><http://calendarhome.com/tyc/download.html> , 29 November 1733 was a Sunday. > >Cari Thomas > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:56:07 +1300 >From: "macha" <macha@callplus.net.nz> >Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Antrim Interests - Lynn, O'Kane & Connery >To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <001b01c741e8$9a189970$0201a8c0@your5139538146> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >Hello Murray > >My McErlean family came from Co. Antrim (I am not sure it matters on the >spelling as before about 1880 "normal" people were unlikely to be able >to read and write. > >Could you tell me a little more about your McERLEAN family. > >I have Maggie McERLEAN (my paternal grandmother) born 1878 Ardnaglass, >Co. Antrim. Daughter of John McERLEAN and Elizabeth HAMILL. > >Maggie married Owen McCOMB and they lived in Belfast. > >It would be fantastic if we have another link. > >Also are you in touch with Vincent Garty from Wellington NZ who also has >similar interests. > >Regards. Macha in Te Aroha, New Zealand. > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Murray Lynn >Sent: Saturday, 27 January 2007 2:54 p.m. >To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com >Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Antrim Interests - Lynn, O'Kane & Connery > >My family came from the area around KILCURRY and CASHELTOWN in southwest > >Antrim. > >Family events (BMD) seemed to occur at the Aughnahoy rather than the >Ahoghill church. > >Family names: >LYNN >O'KANE or KANE >CONNERY > >and from across the border at Ballymaguigan: >WALLS >MCCORMICK >DIMOND / DIAMOND > > >and associated names - witnesses, marriages etc: >GRAFFIN >O'NEILL >MCCORLEY >MCCOURT >MOONEY >MCERLANE >DUGGAN >MOOR >MALLON >O'HARA > >I would be very interested to hear from anyone with any possible >connections. > > >Kind Regards > >Murray Lynn >Christchurch >New Zealand >Web Site <http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mlynn/> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hello list, A while ago, a very generous fellow researcher found my family on the Antrim workhouse registers. First finding my gr-grandfather, Peter Sargent, as a child enabled us to work back to find his mother, Hannah Sargent, as a child on the same registers: 3452 Sargent, Hannah F 35 single labourer Roman Catholic Cranfield 1-Jun-76 6-Jun-76 discharge BG1/GA/6 3453 Sargent, Robert M 7 bastard of 3452 Roman Catholic Cranfield 1-Jun-76 6-Jun-76 discharge BG1/GA/6 3454 Sargent, Peter M 4 bastard of 3452 Roman Catholic Cranfield 1-Jun-76 6-Jun-76 discharge BG1/GA/6 1226 Sargent, Charlotte F 32 married Roman Catholic Randalstown 1-Oct-46 22-May-50 discharge BG1/GA/1 1227 Sargent, William M 13 child of 1226 Roman Catholic Randalstown 1-Oct-46 22-May-50 discharge BG1/GA/1 1228 Sargent, Hannah Jane F 11 child of 1226 Roman Catholic Randalstown 1-Oct-46 22-May-50 discharge BG1/GA/1 1229 Sargent, Margaret F 10 child of 1226 Roman Catholic Randalstown 1-Oct-46 22-May-50 discharge BG1/GA/1 1230 Sargent, Eliza F 4 child of 1226 Roman Catholic Randalstown 1-Oct-46 22-May-50 discharge BG1/GA/1 1231 Sargent, Thomas M 8mon child of 1226 Roman Catholic Randalstown 1-Oct-46 22-May-50 discharge BG1/GA/1 I'm wondering how I should proceed with my research armed with this information. So, I'm asking the group, what would you do next if you had this to work with going forward? I've written to St. MacNissi Church in Randalstown to inquire about baptismal records for my gr-grandfather Peter, and there is not one. Should I write again to inquire about the baptisms of his mother Hannah and her siblings? Are there other resources you would turn to first? I'm first generation American on this side of my family (maternal) so I'm having quite a time understanding the geography, etc... Thank you in advance for your advice. Sincerely, Lisa Hopp Seattle, WA P.S. This surname became Sargeant for the births of Peter's oldest children, my Grandpa's older siblings; however, after moving to Ballymena, the place of my Grandpa's birth, the surname became Surgenor.

Hi Cliff, Can you tell me again what lot Red Robin emigrated to from Ireland when he arrived in Plantagenet, and then what lot did the family move to in Russell? Or what lot Francis may have emigrated to? Or Archibald? Maybe there is a clue there somewhere back to Ireland Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" > Mike, > > Unfortunately the Wee Three lived in what we in Texas would call the > boondocks. In Canada it's referred to as the "bush". They were not totally > isolated by any means, but it wasn't mainstream farm country either. > Records for the 1800's in that part of Prescott Co. are largely incomplete. > I've not yet been able to find a death certificate for my gggrandfather, > Robert "Red Robin" Johnston or Francis Johnston. In fact it wasn't until > last year that we were able to confirm where he is buried as there is no > marker on his grave. > > As for religion, oral family history indicates that Robert "Red Robin" > Johnston's father was Presbyterian, but may have gone to the C. of I. for > political reasons - not sure though. On this side of the Pond he waffled. > I guess that it depended on what denomination was available at the time. > One census has him as a Methodist, another as Plymouth Bretheren, but he > eventually was buried in a Presbyterian Cemetery. Fortunately the Plymouth > Bretheren kept good books. A cousin had access to them and found that Red > Robin may have attended some of their meetings, but he never joined them. > Again, I think that it all goes back to what was available at the time in > his area. What makes our search even more difficult is that the > Presbyterian Church records were destroyed in a fire back in the 1920's or > so. As luck would have it the Church members kept 2 sets of books at > different locations to avoid a total loss should some disaster strike, and > that worked brilliantly until someone had the even brighter idea to bring > both sets to the Church one weekend to "justify" both sets. That's the > weekend that the Church burned down... > > I've searched the Ottawa Journal for obituaries. It was frustrating and > tedious as there was an obituary section on the last page or so, but > prominant people were written up on the earlier pages and then not included > in the obituary section so every page of the paper had to be scrutinized. > Larger surrounding communties and areas had their own "foreign > correspondents" (tic) who kept the Journal up to date with bdm's in the > outlying counties; however, the part of Prescott County where the Wee Three > lived was a "no man's land" with no one covering it. I found no mention of > any of our Johnstons in the 1890's at all in the Ottawa Journal. > > The Census records have been our primary source of records, of course, and > I've made copies of many pertinant pages so that I have them at my > fingertips, so to speak. > > I've checked several history books published by various local societies and > churches. Good information was found on some of our second generation > Canadian-born Johnstons, but coverage is lacking on any of the earlier > generations. I've talked with some people who told me that ommissions on > the early Johnstons may have been done on purpose. I don't know all of the > details, but Red Robin was said to have been very charismatic, tall, > handsome, etc. and many of the area women liked him which made him unpopular > with many of the area men...dunno...I wasn't there. In addition the > Johnston men were all members of the Pendleton Orange Lodge, but I'm told > that they weren't like the flaming Orangemen that we read about in the > newspapers today in Ireland. It was basically a social club as they were > excluded from social activities run by the local RC church. I'm not aware > of any friction there as some of our Johnston's best friends were > French-Canadian RC's and many of our people spoke French fluently. I can > recall meeting some as a child and hearing them laugh and tell stories. > > I thought about checking the land records too. Unfortunately each of the > Wee Three bought his farm from the Canada Company which means that beyond a > description of the land involved and the name of the purchaser there is no > other personal information. To compound matters, records for the year in > which Robert "Red Robin" Johnston acquired his farm are missing...it just > never seems to end...one missing record after another. > > Only Francis left a will that I'm aware of. Robert distributed his land and > assets before he died so none was needed. I don't know about Archibald as > he moved to Melita, Manitoba, and died there. I've got a cousin Brenda from > his line who has very detailed work on his descendants, and I don't recall > her ever mentioning a will for him. He probably did the same thing that > Robert did and distributed his assets before he died. That seems to have > been a very popular thing to do among our Johnston family members. They are > not known for hoarding their money. They bend over backward to help family. > > By the way, I've been at this since 1979. It is only with the rise in > popularity of genealogy and the computer ca. 1995 that I've made significant > progress though. > > So, what other records are there to search? There is a reference book on > the Canada Company. Evidently for some years they acted as a sort of bank > for farmers who bought land from them. The Canada Company would take money > from them and send it back to Ireland and their kin, if they so desired. > Unfortunately I don't have access to that book. There is an outside chance > that they may have sent some money back home to kin in Ireland; however, it > would be an outside chance at best as they all had their own growing > families to feed on this side of the pond. They were all hard working men. > Other than that I'm just about back to the familiar, olde, brick > wall...dunno... That's why I opted for the Y-DNA test, and it has been well > worth the money and effort as I've acquired several newfound cousins over > the past year, and we are moving forward. Now I'm redoubling our search > efforts in Ireland. Surely with all of the dates and names that we have now > something will show up somewhere...may be... ;-) > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee > Three" > > >> Cliff >> What other Canadian information have your found on the three brothers in >> Canada? - Death certificatees, Census entries, newspaper reports of their >> deaths, etc. Even on reports of the 50th or 100th aniversiary of the >> County >> may have something on where the family came from in Ireland. >> >> You did not say what religion they were? Check the local County history >> to >> see if any other famileis or Minister's came in this period. This MAY >> give >> you the general background to see where your family came from. So if the >> county history says that people from Belfast, Ballymoney, etc came in >> certain years, those towns regions maybe an starting point. >> >> Mike Boyd >> Brisbane >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> >> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:25 AM >> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee >> Three" >> >> >>> We have no locations in Ireland for any of the Wee Three; however, >>> various sources of oral family history have them coming from all over the >>> island - Ballymena, Londonderry, Tarra, Co. Donegal and Co. Cork being >>> mentioned. To make matters even more frustrating is that in the 1920's 2 >>> of my Dad's aunts visited Ireland, found all of our Johnston kin buried >>> (none surviving), made a journal containing their burial details, and now >>> no one knows what happened to the journal or where the 2 sisters visited. >>> >>> Ca. 1905-1910 a sailor came to my ggrandfather's farm searching for a >>> Johnston. He had been hired by a solicitor in Ireland. The last of our >>> Johnstons had died leaving no surviving kin in Ireland and a small >>> estate. >>> He may have been a pub owner. My grandfather moved about this time to a >>> better farm in Clarence Twp., Russell Co., Ontario, Canada, on what is >>> now >>> Johnston Road. >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am looking for information on the McBride family from Ballymoney. John, Mary, William and Daniel McBride emigrated to the U.S. in the mid 1850's. Probable siblings Andrew and Samuel McBride, and possibly others, remained in Ballymoney. Death records of some of the siblings who emigrated indicate that the parents were named Samuel and Mary Jane. Does anyone have information on this family or possibly cemetery records etc. for McBrides at Ballymoney? Jim

Hello Nevin, Thank you for the information, the Dublin Lynn seems possible. Best wishes Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <TaggartN@aol.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Antrim Interests - Lynn, O'Kane & Connery > Janet, > > It might be worth checking out these two Simon Lynnes in Griffiths > Valuation: > > Lynne, Simon County : Dublin Parish : Santry Location : Santry c1850 > Lynne, Simon County : Mayo Parish : Kilcummin Location : Ballygarry c1856 > > Regards > Nevin > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would appreciate the gravestones for STEWART. Thank you so much. Eula ----- Original Message ----- From: "N.E.Parkes" <N.E.Parkes@btinternet.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com>; <NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:58 PM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Gravestone inscriptions at NewtowncrommelinPresbyterian burying-ground > List members, > > I am pleased to type out the inscriptions on gravestones at > Newtowncrommelin > Presbyterian burying ground in County Antrim. > The inscriptions were published by a Ballymena based group some time ago. > Only half of the family names found there are in my list below. A > colleague > will share the task with me and deal with the early part of the alphabetic > list. > > Norman > > The family names are: > > MACALISTER > MACINTYRE > McALLISTER > McBURNEY (x2) > McCALISTER (x2) > McCARTNEY (x5) > McCOLLUM > McCOMB (see BELL #2) > McILROY (see STEWART #1) > McINTYRE (x6) > McKEE (see also SHAW) > McKEOWN (see KENNEDY #1 and LOWRY) > McKILLEN (see DARRAGH) > McWATTERS > MADILL > MARK (x2) (in same plot as LOUGHRIDGE, WAIDE and WILSON) > MARSHALL (x3)(see also HALL) > MAXWELL > MILLAR > MOODY > MOONEY > MORRISON (see also KELLY #1) > MURDOCK > MURRAY > NEILL > NEVIN (x2) > ORR > ROSS > RUSSELL (see also BRADSHAW) > SCOTT (x2) > SCULLION > SHAW > SIMPSON > SMYTH (see also STEWART #2) > STEWART (x2) > STIRLING (see also McINTYRE #3) > TAFTS > TATE (x2) > TURTLE (see NEVIN #1) > WAIDE (in same plot as LOUGHRIDGE, MARK and WILSON) > WALLACE > WILSON (in same plot as LOUGHRIDGE, MARK and WAIDE) > YOUNG > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cliff What other Canadian information have your found on the three brothers in Canada? - Death certificatees, Census entries, newspaper reports of their deaths, etc. Even on reports of the 50th or 100th aniversiary of the County may have something on where the family came from in Ireland. You did not say what religion they were? Check the local County history to see if any other famileis or Minister's came in this period. This MAY give you the general background to see where your family came from. So if the county history says that people from Belfast, Ballymoney, etc came in certain years, those towns regions maybe an starting point. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:25 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" > We have no locations in Ireland for any of the Wee Three; however, > various sources of oral family history have them coming from all over the > island - Ballymena, Londonderry, Tarra, Co. Donegal and Co. Cork being > mentioned. To make matters even more frustrating is that in the 1920's 2 > of my Dad's aunts visited Ireland, found all of our Johnston kin buried > (none surviving), made a journal containing their burial details, and now > no one knows what happened to the journal or where the 2 sisters visited. > > Ca. 1905-1910 a sailor came to my ggrandfather's farm searching for a > Johnston. He had been hired by a solicitor in Ireland. The last of our > Johnstons had died leaving no surviving kin in Ireland and a small estate. > He may have been a pub owner. My grandfather moved about this time to a > better farm in Clarence Twp., Russell Co., Ontario, Canada, on what is now > Johnston Road. >

Bob of Beaufort SC have a Dorothy Wiseman b 1794 WV US married to Foreman (Howard)Spencer is that one of your later Wiseman family by chance? Dianne

Pam, There are several considerations in looking for a will in Ireland. First, the oral family history that I have about the sailor visiting my ggrandfather came from his neice who was a girl at the time and visiting her uncle, my ggrandfather. She answered the door and overheard parts of the conversation. She didn't know what happened after as my ggrandfather was away visiting kin at the time. So I don't know if it was our family, or if the sailor returned or went to find my ggrandfather. It is somewhat coincidental and curiosity-raising though that James moved to a significantly better farm shortly thereafter. In addtion when 2 of my Dad's aunts visited Ireland in the 1920's they found all of our kin deceased - no one now knows where though - very frustrating. Secondly, we don't know what the name of the deceased family member in Ireland was or where he lived. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Craven" <pamcraven@mynow.co.uk> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" > If someone came looking via a solicitor then I assume there was maybe a > will. Worth checking to see if any Will exists via Belfast ro Dublin > ecord > office I assume? > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd > Sent: 28 January 2007 00:40 > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The > "Wee > Three" > > Cliff > What other Canadian information have your found on the three brothers in > Canada? - Death certificatees, Census entries, newspaper reports of their > deaths, etc. Even on reports of the 50th or 100th aniversiary of the > County > > may have something on where the family came from in Ireland. > > You did not say what religion they were? Check the local County history > to > see if any other famileis or Minister's came in this period. This MAY > give > you the general background to see where your family came from. So if the > county history says that people from Belfast, Ballymoney, etc came in > certain years, those towns regions maybe an starting point. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:25 AM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee > Three" > > >> We have no locations in Ireland for any of the Wee Three; however, >> various sources of oral family history have them coming from all over the >> island - Ballymena, Londonderry, Tarra, Co. Donegal and Co. Cork being >> mentioned. To make matters even more frustrating is that in the 1920's 2 >> of my Dad's aunts visited Ireland, found all of our Johnston kin buried >> (none surviving), made a journal containing their burial details, and now >> no one knows what happened to the journal or where the 2 sisters visited. >> >> Ca. 1905-1910 a sailor came to my ggrandfather's farm searching for a >> Johnston. He had been hired by a solicitor in Ireland. The last of our >> Johnstons had died leaving no surviving kin in Ireland and a small >> estate. > >> He may have been a pub owner. My grandfather moved about this time to a >> better farm in Clarence Twp., Russell Co., Ontario, Canada, on what is >> now > >> Johnston Road. >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Eireann, PURDYSBURN Hospital. I think part of it may now be called BELVOIR PARK Hospital. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ulster3" <ulster3@gmail.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:51 PM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Help! Belfast Hospitals - 1950s >I am trying to locate a hospital where my great-grandmother died. The death > certificate lists the hospital in Belfast but I cannot make out the name > of > it - the handwriting is too cryptic. She died in 1957. > > It looks like it could be: Lundysbum or Lundysburn - something with "burn" > as a suffix. > > I cannot come up with any combination that comes in in Google searches. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? Have any of the hosptials changed their > names since the 1957? How would I determine what hospital this was? > > HELP! Thanks > > Eireann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mike, Unfortunately the Wee Three lived in what we in Texas would call the boondocks. In Canada it's referred to as the "bush". They were not totally isolated by any means, but it wasn't mainstream farm country either. Records for the 1800's in that part of Prescott Co. are largely incomplete. I've not yet been able to find a death certificate for my gggrandfather, Robert "Red Robin" Johnston or Francis Johnston. In fact it wasn't until last year that we were able to confirm where he is buried as there is no marker on his grave. As for religion, oral family history indicates that Robert "Red Robin" Johnston's father was Presbyterian, but may have gone to the C. of I. for political reasons - not sure though. On this side of the Pond he waffled. I guess that it depended on what denomination was available at the time. One census has him as a Methodist, another as Plymouth Bretheren, but he eventually was buried in a Presbyterian Cemetery. Fortunately the Plymouth Bretheren kept good books. A cousin had access to them and found that Red Robin may have attended some of their meetings, but he never joined them. Again, I think that it all goes back to what was available at the time in his area. What makes our search even more difficult is that the Presbyterian Church records were destroyed in a fire back in the 1920's or so. As luck would have it the Church members kept 2 sets of books at different locations to avoid a total loss should some disaster strike, and that worked brilliantly until someone had the even brighter idea to bring both sets to the Church one weekend to "justify" both sets. That's the weekend that the Church burned down... I've searched the Ottawa Journal for obituaries. It was frustrating and tedious as there was an obituary section on the last page or so, but prominant people were written up on the earlier pages and then not included in the obituary section so every page of the paper had to be scrutinized. Larger surrounding communties and areas had their own "foreign correspondents" (tic) who kept the Journal up to date with bdm's in the outlying counties; however, the part of Prescott County where the Wee Three lived was a "no man's land" with no one covering it. I found no mention of any of our Johnstons in the 1890's at all in the Ottawa Journal. The Census records have been our primary source of records, of course, and I've made copies of many pertinant pages so that I have them at my fingertips, so to speak. I've checked several history books published by various local societies and churches. Good information was found on some of our second generation Canadian-born Johnstons, but coverage is lacking on any of the earlier generations. I've talked with some people who told me that ommissions on the early Johnstons may have been done on purpose. I don't know all of the details, but Red Robin was said to have been very charismatic, tall, handsome, etc. and many of the area women liked him which made him unpopular with many of the area men...dunno...I wasn't there. In addition the Johnston men were all members of the Pendleton Orange Lodge, but I'm told that they weren't like the flaming Orangemen that we read about in the newspapers today in Ireland. It was basically a social club as they were excluded from social activities run by the local RC church. I'm not aware of any friction there as some of our Johnston's best friends were French-Canadian RC's and many of our people spoke French fluently. I can recall meeting some as a child and hearing them laugh and tell stories. I thought about checking the land records too. Unfortunately each of the Wee Three bought his farm from the Canada Company which means that beyond a description of the land involved and the name of the purchaser there is no other personal information. To compound matters, records for the year in which Robert "Red Robin" Johnston acquired his farm are missing...it just never seems to end...one missing record after another. Only Francis left a will that I'm aware of. Robert distributed his land and assets before he died so none was needed. I don't know about Archibald as he moved to Melita, Manitoba, and died there. I've got a cousin Brenda from his line who has very detailed work on his descendants, and I don't recall her ever mentioning a will for him. He probably did the same thing that Robert did and distributed his assets before he died. That seems to have been a very popular thing to do among our Johnston family members. They are not known for hoarding their money. They bend over backward to help family. By the way, I've been at this since 1979. It is only with the rise in popularity of genealogy and the computer ca. 1995 that I've made significant progress though. So, what other records are there to search? There is a reference book on the Canada Company. Evidently for some years they acted as a sort of bank for farmers who bought land from them. The Canada Company would take money from them and send it back to Ireland and their kin, if they so desired. Unfortunately I don't have access to that book. There is an outside chance that they may have sent some money back home to kin in Ireland; however, it would be an outside chance at best as they all had their own growing families to feed on this side of the pond. They were all hard working men. Other than that I'm just about back to the familiar, olde, brick wall...dunno... That's why I opted for the Y-DNA test, and it has been well worth the money and effort as I've acquired several newfound cousins over the past year, and we are moving forward. Now I'm redoubling our search efforts in Ireland. Surely with all of the dates and names that we have now something will show up somewhere...may be... ;-) Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <mikejboyd@bigpond.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" > Cliff > What other Canadian information have your found on the three brothers in > Canada? - Death certificatees, Census entries, newspaper reports of their > deaths, etc. Even on reports of the 50th or 100th aniversiary of the > County > may have something on where the family came from in Ireland. > > You did not say what religion they were? Check the local County history > to > see if any other famileis or Minister's came in this period. This MAY > give > you the general background to see where your family came from. So if the > county history says that people from Belfast, Ballymoney, etc came in > certain years, those towns regions maybe an starting point. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> > To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:25 AM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee > Three" > > >> We have no locations in Ireland for any of the Wee Three; however, >> various sources of oral family history have them coming from all over the >> island - Ballymena, Londonderry, Tarra, Co. Donegal and Co. Cork being >> mentioned. To make matters even more frustrating is that in the 1920's 2 >> of my Dad's aunts visited Ireland, found all of our Johnston kin buried >> (none surviving), made a journal containing their burial details, and now >> no one knows what happened to the journal or where the 2 sisters visited. >> >> Ca. 1905-1910 a sailor came to my ggrandfather's farm searching for a >> Johnston. He had been hired by a solicitor in Ireland. The last of our >> Johnstons had died leaving no surviving kin in Ireland and a small >> estate. >> He may have been a pub owner. My grandfather moved about this time to a >> better farm in Clarence Twp., Russell Co., Ontario, Canada, on what is >> now >> Johnston Road. >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Norm et al - I have booklets number 3 and number 6 from the ones I named below, and would be happy to do any lookups from these resources. I visited these two sites (and a couple of others) with my son and my presumed Ballymena cousin, Wesley Cathcart, last April, looking for Wisemans and Dunlops. Bob of Beaufort SC "N.E.Parkes" <N.E.Parkes@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi Bob and all Inscriptions for the burying grounds at Newtowncrommelin Church of Ireland (Parish Church) and Second Donegore Presbyterian are also available in booklet form. If any list members would like to volunteer to supply lookups from one of these sources, I would be delighted to hear (to my personal email address) from you. Norm (see http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlantbp/ for the inscriptions at Billy Parish Church, North Antrim) Bob said......... >... I am aware of at least six booklets published by and available from the > Ballymena Borough Council (series editor, Eull Dunlop) that document > churchyard gravestone inscriptions at the following burial grounds in the > Ballymena vicinity: > > 1. Kellswater Reformed Presbyterian > 2. Old Ballyclug > 3. CullybackeyUnited Free/Old Methodist > 4. St. Savior's, Connor > 5. Skerry > 6. First and Second Killymurris (...where Patrick Wiseman (d. 1917) is....) "If You Want A Safe Job, Go Sell Shoes! " --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.

If someone came looking via a solicitor then I assume there was maybe a will. Worth checking to see if any Will exists via Belfast ro Dublin ecord office I assume? Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd Sent: 28 January 2007 00:40 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" Cliff What other Canadian information have your found on the three brothers in Canada? - Death certificatees, Census entries, newspaper reports of their deaths, etc. Even on reports of the 50th or 100th aniversiary of the County may have something on where the family came from in Ireland. You did not say what religion they were? Check the local County history to see if any other famileis or Minister's came in this period. This MAY give you the general background to see where your family came from. So if the county history says that people from Belfast, Ballymoney, etc came in certain years, those towns regions maybe an starting point. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:25 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" > We have no locations in Ireland for any of the Wee Three; however, > various sources of oral family history have them coming from all over the > island - Ballymena, Londonderry, Tarra, Co. Donegal and Co. Cork being > mentioned. To make matters even more frustrating is that in the 1920's 2 > of my Dad's aunts visited Ireland, found all of our Johnston kin buried > (none surviving), made a journal containing their burial details, and now > no one knows what happened to the journal or where the 2 sisters visited. > > Ca. 1905-1910 a sailor came to my ggrandfather's farm searching for a > Johnston. He had been hired by a solicitor in Ireland. The last of our > Johnstons had died leaving no surviving kin in Ireland and a small estate. > He may have been a pub owner. My grandfather moved about this time to a > better farm in Clarence Twp., Russell Co., Ontario, Canada, on what is now > Johnston Road. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The hospital could be Purdysburn. This was a large psychiatric hospital on the outskirts of belfast, on the Saintfield Road. The hospital changed it's name in the 90's to Knockbracken Healthcare Park. Patients could have been admitted for any number of reasons, a breakdown, post natal depression etc. Unfortunately in those days an admission even for what nowdays is a treatable and recognised illness could have resulted in a lifetimes stay. Hope this is useful -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ulster3 Sent: 27 January 2007 21:51 To: IRL-ANTRIM@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Help! Belfast Hospitals - 1950s I am trying to locate a hospital where my great-grandmother died. The death certificate lists the hospital in Belfast but I cannot make out the name of it - the handwriting is too cryptic. She died in 1957. It looks like it could be: Lundysbum or Lundysburn - something with "burn" as a suffix. I cannot come up with any combination that comes in in Google searches. Does anyone have any suggestions? Have any of the hosptials changed their names since the 1957? How would I determine what hospital this was? HELP! Thanks Eireann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 26/01/2007 11:11 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: 26/01/2007 11:11

Actually Mike's reply prompted me to suggest you get death certificates I finally found my gt...uncle who died Toronto in 1930s and the info on your death certificates was great if I did not already have the info I would have been given my gt gt parent's info and including their address is in N Ireland, even though they had been dead for some 20 years. So worth getting the Canadian death certificates. Pam -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd Sent: 28 January 2007 00:40 To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" Cliff What other Canadian information have your found on the three brothers in Canada? - Death certificatees, Census entries, newspaper reports of their deaths, etc. Even on reports of the 50th or 100th aniversiary of the County may have something on where the family came from in Ireland. You did not say what religion they were? Check the local County history to see if any other famileis or Minister's came in this period. This MAY give you the general background to see where your family came from. So if the county history says that people from Belfast, Ballymoney, etc came in certain years, those towns regions maybe an starting point. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff. Johnston" <moments-in-time@houston.rr.com> To: <irl-antrim@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:25 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] JOHNSTON/E, Francis,Robert & Archibald - The "Wee Three" > We have no locations in Ireland for any of the Wee Three; however, > various sources of oral family history have them coming from all over the > island - Ballymena, Londonderry, Tarra, Co. Donegal and Co. Cork being > mentioned. To make matters even more frustrating is that in the 1920's 2 > of my Dad's aunts visited Ireland, found all of our Johnston kin buried > (none surviving), made a journal containing their burial details, and now > no one knows what happened to the journal or where the 2 sisters visited. > > Ca. 1905-1910 a sailor came to my ggrandfather's farm searching for a > Johnston. He had been hired by a solicitor in Ireland. The last of our > Johnstons had died leaving no surviving kin in Ireland and a small estate. > He may have been a pub owner. My grandfather moved about this time to a > better farm in Clarence Twp., Russell Co., Ontario, Canada, on what is now > Johnston Road. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Murray, Other posters might also be interested in this website: _http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/ihm/colla.htm_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/ihm/colla.htm) Regards Nevin

Murray, My response was just directed at Janet's query. Have you got ruddy cheeks? ;) _http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/flynn/origins.htm_ (http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/flynn/origins.htm) _http://www.magoo.com/hugh/dalaraide.html_ (http://www.magoo.com/hugh/dalaraide.html) _http://www.magoo.com/hugh/annals.html_ (http://www.magoo.com/hugh/annals.html) Regards Nevin

Most likely it is Purdysburn hospital, it had been a psychiatric hospital as well as a fever hospital in the past, it is in the south Belfast Saintfield road area I believe. Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ulster3" <ulster3@gmail.com> To: <IRL-ANTRIM@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:51 PM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Help! Belfast Hospitals - 1950s >I am trying to locate a hospital where my great-grandmother died. The death > certificate lists the hospital in Belfast but I cannot make out the name > of > it - the handwriting is too cryptic. She died in 1957. > > It looks like it could be: Lundysbum or Lundysburn - something with "burn" > as a suffix. > > I cannot come up with any combination that comes in in Google searches. > > Does anyone have any suggestions? Have any of the hosptials changed their > names since the 1957? How would I determine what hospital this was? > > HELP! Thanks > > Eireann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Not a lot of detail I'm afraid - Catherine McErlane was one of the witnesses at my great-uncle Thomas Lynn's christening at the Aughnahoy church in 1872. Have you heard the ballad "Roddy McCorley"? He was from Antrim and "was hung on the bridge at Toome" in 1800 after the 1798 rebellion. Roddy is supposed to be a relation and I've just been doing some research on him. His mother was a McErlean, probably from Duneane, a Presbyterian (I assume Catherine McErlane was Catholic btw). Ardnaglass is right beside Kilcurry and so there is a good chance of a link. Have a look at this page of my website - http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mlynn/01_Lynn/FT_Lynn_02.html - for what I know of the McErlane / McErleans and my family history in the area. I haven't come across Vincent Garty, what are his connections? Kind Regards Murray Lynn Christchurch New Zealand Web Site <http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mlynn/> macha wrote: > Hello Murray > > My McErlean family came from Co. Antrim (I am not sure it matters on the > spelling as before about 1880 "normal" people were unlikely to be able > to read and write. > > Could you tell me a little more about your McERLEAN family. > > I have Maggie McERLEAN (my paternal grandmother) born 1878 Ardnaglass, > Co. Antrim. Daughter of John McERLEAN and Elizabeth HAMILL. > > Maggie married Owen McCOMB and they lived in Belfast. > > It would be fantastic if we have another link. > > Also are you in touch with Vincent Garty from Wellington NZ who also has > similar interests. > > Regards. Macha in Te Aroha, New Zealand. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Murray Lynn > Sent: Saturday, 27 January 2007 2:54 p.m. > To: irl-antrim@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Antrim Interests - Lynn, O'Kane & Connery > > My family came from the area around KILCURRY and CASHELTOWN in southwest > > Antrim. > > Family events (BMD) seemed to occur at the Aughnahoy rather than the > Ahoghill church. > > Family names: > LYNN > O'KANE or KANE > CONNERY > > and from across the border at Ballymaguigan: > WALLS > MCCORMICK > DIMOND / DIAMOND > > > and associated names - witnesses, marriages etc: > GRAFFIN > O'NEILL > MCCORLEY > MCCOURT > MOONEY > MCERLANE > DUGGAN > MOOR > MALLON > O'HARA > > I would be very interested to hear from anyone with any possible > connections. > > > Kind Regards > > Murray Lynn > Christchurch > New Zealand > Web Site <http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mlynn/> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Thanks for this offer could I have the inscription for MCCOLLUM please Patricia New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-antrim-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of N.E.Parkes Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:59 AM To: IRL-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com; NIR-ANTRIM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Gravestone inscriptions at Newtowncrommelin Presbyterian burying-ground List members, I am pleased to type out the inscriptions on gravestones at Newtowncrommelin Presbyterian burying ground in County Antrim. The inscriptions were published by a Ballymena based group some time ago. Only half of the family names found there are in my list below. A colleague will share the task with me and deal with the early part of the alphabetic list. Norman The family names are: MACALISTER MACINTYRE McALLISTER McBURNEY (x2) McCALISTER (x2) McCARTNEY (x5) McCOLLUM McCOMB (see BELL #2) McILROY (see STEWART #1) McINTYRE (x6) McKEE (see also SHAW) McKEOWN (see KENNEDY #1 and LOWRY) McKILLEN (see DARRAGH) McWATTERS MADILL MARK (x2) (in same plot as LOUGHRIDGE, WAIDE and WILSON) MARSHALL (x3)(see also HALL) MAXWELL MILLAR MOODY MOONEY MORRISON (see also KELLY #1) MURDOCK MURRAY NEILL NEVIN (x2) ORR ROSS RUSSELL (see also BRADSHAW) SCOTT (x2) SCULLION SHAW SIMPSON SMYTH (see also STEWART #2) STEWART (x2) STIRLING (see also McINTYRE #3) TAFTS TATE (x2) TURTLE (see NEVIN #1) WAIDE (in same plot as LOUGHRIDGE, MARK and WILSON) WALLACE WILSON (in same plot as LOUGHRIDGE, MARK and WAIDE) YOUNG ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-ANTRIM-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message