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Hi I am a descendent of a William Smyth born 1844 but in Ontario, Canada. I am in the process of organizing a Smyth family reunion in Aug of this year. My Smyth family came from England and my cousin and I have gathered over 3000 names. There is a branch of Smyth's that eventually came to Manitoba and are buried in Brandon Cemetery. If I can be of any help please let me know. There is also a David Drew Smyth that lives in Australia that has rellies born in Ireland. Lyn from Manitoba ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Eiers-Page" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Thomas Cooper SMYTH and Isabella MAGEE > Hi, > > I have been searching for the birth and the parents of Thomas Cooper > SMYTH > who was born circa 1805 in Belfast. I can not find his parents anywhere. > > Thomas was married in Dromore Cathedral 17 April 1843 to Isabella MAGEE > who was > born ca 1819 in Boardmills, Down. Isabella is the daughter of Alexander > MAGEE > and Ann MCKEE. The The Dromore church register does not show his parents > names. > > Thomas Cooper SMYTH was a school teacher. Thomas and Isabella had four > children: > > Jane SMYTH b. 1844 in Belfast > William John SMYTH b. Mar 14 1846 > Margaret A. SMYTH b. 1849 > Thomas Henry SMYTH b. 1852. > > They emigrated to Canada ca. 1854 and settled in Ontario. > > If any of this sounds familiar or if you know of other SMYTH researchers > who might be connected, please let me know. Any help would be > appreciated. > > Thank you, > > Jean > British Columbia, Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I have been searching for the birth and the parents of Thomas Cooper SMYTH who was born circa 1805 in Belfast. I can not find his parents anywhere. Thomas was married in Dromore Cathedral 17 April 1843 to Isabella MAGEE who was born ca 1819 in Boardmills, Down. Isabella is the daughter of Alexander MAGEE and Ann MCKEE. The The Dromore church register does not show his parents names. Thomas Cooper SMYTH was a school teacher. Thomas and Isabella had four children: Jane SMYTH b. 1844 in Belfast William John SMYTH b. Mar 14 1846 Margaret A. SMYTH b. 1849 Thomas Henry SMYTH b. 1852. They emigrated to Canada ca. 1854 and settled in Ontario. If any of this sounds familiar or if you know of other SMYTH researchers who might be connected, please let me know. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Jean British Columbia, Canada

Thank you for this Nevin Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford Guild of One-Name Studies No: 4825 for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 27 May 2008 6:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] LEENSTER as a middle name ? There are Leinsters but not Leensters in Griffith's Valuation. Leinster is also the name of the south-east Irish province and the Duke of Leinster was a landlord. So perhaps Leenster, Lenster and Linster are variants on Leinster. Nevin _NALIL - North Antrim Local Interest List In a message dated 27/05/2008 04:18:11 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Michael Leenster CULLODEN's admin was found in India in 1814. _ (http://nalil.blogspot.com/) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Michael Leenster CULLODEN's admin was found in India in 1814. Can I have some comments on this name please. I saw the film document myself and it was definitely LEENSTER Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford Guild of One-Name Studies No: 4825 for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON

There are Leinsters but not Leensters in Griffith's Valuation. Leinster is also the name of the south-east Irish province and the Duke of Leinster was a landlord. So perhaps Leenster, Lenster and Linster are variants on Leinster. Nevin _NALIL - North Antrim Local Interest List In a message dated 27/05/2008 04:18:11 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Michael Leenster CULLODEN's admin was found in India in 1814. _ (http://nalil.blogspot.com/)

We have just uploaded two new files from Yvonne Russell: Belfast Telegraph extracts for FORSYTHE Belfast Telegraph extracts for – MORROW, ROBINSON, SHANNON, HUNTER & HAWTHORNE Last weekend we added: Belfast Newsletter extracts.ROBINSON, MORROW, WOODS You can find these from the main index by clicking on General Ireland and then Newspaper. General Ireland is the category where we put items that overlap areas. Hope this is of interest to some on the list. Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/

Hi, Antrim-listers-- I have just become aware of the existence of Daniel BLACK (c. 1854-1925), the son of my great-great grandparents, Charles BLACK and Anne McKENTY of Glenarm and elder brother of my great-grandfather Henry (Harry) BLACK. Apparently, Daniel emigrated to Ontario, Canada and married a woman named Bridget. They are listed with their many childen in Campbellford, Northumberland County, Ontario in the 1901 census. Daniel died in Campbellford in 1925. They were Roman Catholic. Any connections? Mary Ann Grimes Carey Spokane,Washington

What are they ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford Guild of One-Name Studies No: 4825 for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pauline Leonard Sent: Wednesday, 14 May 2008 12:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] B- Special records? Hello, Does anyone know if there are any personnel records for the B-Specials? If there are any how can one go about accessing them? Where might they be? Thanks for any info. Pauline Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, The B- Specials were part of the RUC (Royal Ulster Constabulary) They were the Police Force of Ulster at the time having taken over from the RIC (Royal Irish Constabulary) after the partition of Ireland. Pauline

Hello, Does anyone know if there are any personnel records for the B-Specials? If there are any how can one go about accessing them? Where might they be? Thanks for any info. Pauline Canada

Is there anyone on the list who can assist me with this?.... On Griffiths Valuations of the late 1850's,4 WITHERSPOON's appear in County Antrim and 4 appear in County Down..can anyone tell me what Civil Parishes(Barony) and what Poor Law Unions those Witherspoon's are in..in those counties? Thanks. Danny Ginnane-Gannon in Charleston,SC

Is there anyone on the list who is researching the RAFIELD Surname or its variants in County Antrim? If so,would you please contact me at... [email protected] And I will be more precise about what I'm looking for. Thanks. Danny Ginnane-Gannon in Charleston,SC

Could we please have that information Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford Guild of One-Name Studies No: 4825 for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Linda Holley Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 12:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ancestry Website Is this the list that was talking about Ancestry removing Irish files from their website? If so, I have some info on that. Linda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you have Ancestry world subscription look across the top of the page - directly under the ancestry.com logo you will see a bar that says Home - My Ancestry - Search - and so forth. Click on the "Search" button and that will take you to a page with the heading "Search for records about your ancestors" scroll down until you see "Browse by location" - under 1. Select Region, you will select UK & Ireland click there. Then under 2. you will have a choice of Channel Island, England, Ireland, Isle of Man, Scotland, or Wales. Not easily found in my opinion but at least it is there. Linda On May 6, 2008, at 9:35 AM, Valerie Garton wrote: > Could we please have that information > > Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. > Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Belfast, Dublin, > Wicklow & > Wexford > Guild of One-Name Studies No: 4825 for CULLODEN & HIGGINSON > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Linda Holley > Sent: Wednesday, 7 May 2008 12:30 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ancestry Website > > Is this the list that was talking about Ancestry removing Irish files > from their website? If so, I have some info on that. > > Linda > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

The Ireland Surname Registries on the Ireland GenWeb website has been updated with over 500 new entries. If you submitted a name since the last update, please check it for accuracy. If you find a mistake or if your information or email address has changed, please submit a new form and put 'change' in the field where the change is needed. You can check out the surnames at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ Add you names, make connections! -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Is this the list that was talking about Ancestry removing Irish files from their website? If so, I have some info on that. Linda

I don't think the maps are still up on the site, but in case they are there somewhere, the way to recognise a dodgy map is to look at the pattern of numbering. If the numbers on the map are 'symmetric' - numbered 1 2 3 ... across or down etc - they are wrong. Island Magee is an example of this as it is numbered from south to north. Another thing to watch for is that a few have some un-numbered townlands - usually these actually belong in the adjacent parish. They are fairly inconsistent and so it is hard to be sure which maps are correct. Please feel free to contact me if you are unsure as I have maps showing all of Northern Ireland. (btw if anyone has good [about 1" to the mile or better] townland maps for any other Irish counties I would love to hear from you!). The biggest issue to keep in mind however, is that Proni follows Griffith and so is only relevant for records post about 1860 - the biggest changes occurred in the north east and so be particularly careful using their lists in Down, Antrim and Derry. Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for ... * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand Cemeteries <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> * Our Family History Derek Hawthorne wrote: > I have had the same problem with PRONI. I reported to them that the map on > their website > showing the Townlands in Islandmagee is incorrect, in that many of the > Townlands are shown in the wrong > position. They have never corrected the errors. > > >

Hi Anne Thank you for the information.. I will keep this in case any of them do fit when I break down the brick wall. If Rose Ann GILLESPIE was Elizabeth KENNEY's first child born in 1840 would make Elizabeth's birth somewhere between around 1818 -1823 I would imagine... but then Rose Ann may not have been the first child .. Esther was born 5 years later .. I suspect there are many more either before Rose and after Esther.. Thanks for sending the information...as you say they may have just said Ballymena meaning the area...and not actually the town.. Jan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Shier Klintworth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] GILLESPIE/KENNEY > It is too early for the birth registrations so the only hope would be > church > records. > > It depends on whether they really meant Ballymena or just the area of > Ballymena. There were Kenneys in Ballyhutherland, north of Ballymena. > They > likely went to either Clough or Killymurris to church. The Clough records > are burned for that time period. There is a film at PRONI for Killymurris > and I will be there next week. I will be doing the Killymurris film so > will > watch for Kenney - I don't remember the time span for the Killymurris > film. > > >>From Killymurris cemetery: > > 1887 In memory of David Kenny, Carnlea, who died 1st May 1878, aged 59 > years. Also his wife Margaret, who died 9th Feb. 1907, aged 85 years. > Also > their daughter Elizabeth, who died 28th Nov 1907, aged 53 years. Also > their > son John, who died 10th Sep 1914, aged 65 years. > > Erected by James Kenny of Cornark. In memory of his daughter Sarah Jane > who > departed this life 3rd Octr 1873, aged 15 years. > > In loving memory of my dear parents William Kenny, died 6th March 1979. > Arah Annie, died 11th August 1981. Also my dear grandmother Mary Law, > died > 8th May 1945. Also my dear husband John Marrs, died 22nd May 1990. Loved > and remembered. > > Kenny. Cherished memories of a dear wife, devoted mother and grandmother > Constance (Connie) died 23rd June 1988, aged 67 years, Worthy of > Everlasting > Remebrance. > > In Ballyhutherland in the Griffiths there is a James, Archibald and > Alexander Kenney. James Kenney's daughter Mary Ann married Wilson > Stevenson > - which is my interest in the Kenny's - I have been trying to put together > who his ancestors are. I think Alexander Kenney is her brother. Mary Ann > died in 1871 (b. 1842) and is buried in Clough cemetery. I have a partial > transcription of Clough cemetery but there are no Kenneys listed. There > are > no burial records for Killymurris except the transcription of the > tombstones. The burial records for Clough, although they are not terribly > old, are at the moment in the keeping of the Borough Council in Ballymena. > > Wilson Stevenson later married Jane Hamill and lived in Carnlea. He is > also > buried at Clough. > >>From the Griffiths valuation - about 1862: > > Alexander Kenny Antrim, Kirkinriola, Townparks/(Farm-Lodge) > Alexander Kenny Antrim, Kirkinriola, Townparks/T/Ballymena/Broughshane > Street > David Kenny Antrim, Kirkinriola, Carnlea > David Kenny Antrim, Kirkinriola, Clogher > James Kenny Antrim, Kirkinriola, Clogher > Robert Kenny Antrim, Kirkinriola, Ballygarvey > Robert, Jr. Kenny Antrim, Kirkinriola, Ballygarvey > Thomas Kenny Antrim, Kirkinriola, Dernaveagh > Anne Mc Kenny Antrim, Kirkinriola, Ballygarvey > Anne Mc Kenny Antrim, Kirkinriola, Drumfin > Bernard Mc Kenny Antrim, Kirkinriola, Townparks/T/Ballymena/Ballymoney > Street > David Mc Kenny Antrim, Kirkinriola, Townparks/T/Ballymena/John Street > David Kenny Antrim, Craigs, Kildowney > John Kenny Antrim, Craigs, Ballyclosh > John Kenny Antrim, Craigs, Craigs > John Kenny Antrim, Craigs, Cullybackey > Eliza Mc Kenny Antrim, Craigs, Dunnygarran > > Probably lots of Kenney information that is of no use to you but you never > know. > > Anne > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Doug & Jan > Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 5:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] GILLESPIE/KENNEY > > Good Morning List. > > I have rejoined after a break.....hoping that someone will recognize the > following > > I have found another child for my Robert GILLESPIE.. > here is the Family so Far.. > > Robert GILLESPIE married Elizabeth KENNEY (*KENNY) ???? > Children > Rose Ann born June 1840 > Esther born May 1845 > ************birth dates taken from death certificates.. > >>From Esther's marriage notice it states that her Father was living in > Ballymena in 1867 > > Also from Marriage and death notices the Girls were born in Ballymena as > well.... > > Rose Ann married Alexander GREER in Queensland in Jan. 1865 and Esther was > a > witness.... WHEN they arrived in Australia is yet unknown .....having > only > lately found that Esther had a Sister and that she married in Qld. in 1865 > narrows down the search a little.. > > Alexander GREER was also born in Antrim..about 1838 son of John GREER > and > Esther WEAR. again the year of birth is taken from ages at marriage and > death... > > Esther GILLESPIE married Hugh KELLY in Qld in 1867 Hugh KELLY was born > 1841 in County Amagh son of William KELLY and Sarah WRAY or RAE.. > > Can SKS tell me who I can contact to check on the Births of the two > GILLESPIE GIRLS ..and deaths of their parents.... Im sure there must be > more siblings as well. > > TIA > Jan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.8/1413 - Release Date: 3/05/2008 > 11:22 AM >

I have had the same problem with PRONI. I reported to them that the map on their website showing the Townlands in Islandmagee is incorrect, in that many of the Townlands are shown in the wrong position. They have never corrected the errors. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Murray Sent: 04 May 2008 00:00 To: Al Valentine Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Map update Hi Al Many thanks for the comments! I have tried to contact the ireAtlas people to give them a list of the issues I have found but they have never responded - I'm not sure if it is still being maintained, it would be a great pity if it isn't? Proni is actually the worst of the three as the Townland lists are missing a vast number of entries. I've tried contacting them too, without success. I haven't looked in the last month or two, but there were a number of issues still there after the site was updated. They appear to have suffered from some sort of software 'crash' as there are patterns: - most townlands starting from about "Tu" onwards are missing - in general all but one of groups of townlands with the same name, but split into upper, middle, lower or east, west etc is missing - there are random errors in addition to these - the old lists of Baronies, PLUs etc had many omissions, but these seem to have been corrected with the new Proni website (I haven't done a careful check and so care is needed) - the old townland maps which had vanished last time I looked were all over the place, in many the numbering on the map bears no relationship to the numbering in the list, in others the maps don't match the parishes etc. I totally agree with your comments re accuracy - Irish research is hard enough without misleading info being out there. Kind Regards Murray Christchurch New Zealand Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for ... * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand Cemeteries <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> * Our Family History Al Valentine wrote: > All of us everywhere owe you a debt of extreme gratitude for all your hard > work. Errors in PRONI are dangerous as it should be as near perfect as man > can make it, so please share your corrections with them as I think those > would be welcomed. Yours is a great website. > Three cheers at least > Al Valentine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Murray" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:08 PM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Map update > > > >> I meant to note in my original email that you may notice some >> differences between my database of townlands and parishes and those in >> ireAtlas, irish Ancestors and PRONI. >> >> PRONI differs, as my data and the first 2 of these databases are based >> on the "Index to the Townlands and Towns,Parishes and Baronies of >> Ireland, 1851" which is the index for the 1851 census whereas PRONI, >> despite claims on their website that it is also based on the 1851 >> census, is actually based on definitions that Griffith used for the >> valuation carried out in the 1860s, which are significantly different in >> some places from the census. >> >> An example of a difference is that 1860s and later parishes of Ahoghill, >> Craigs and Portglenone were part of Ahoghill Civil Parish in 1851. >> There are many such differences, more in Antrim than Derry and many more >> again in Down. These include the addition and deletion of both townlands >> and parishes as well as townlands being swapped around parishes. Where I >> have seen these differences, I have included a note which can be seen in >> the popup window you get by clicking on the icons. The census also >> notes a number of other changes which must have occurred just prior to >> the census, these are also noted. >> >> My database also differs from the ireAtlas and irish Ancestors databases >> as both of these contain a number of errors. I have had the luxury of >> being able to double check these databases against each other and to use >> the original census book to arbitrate as to which is correct. >> >> I have found that these two databases contain about 2-3% errors in all >> counties I have looked at so far, ranging from trivial typos to major >> errors where townlands are missing or placed in the wrong parish / >> county - usually as the transcriber crossed a line as they entered the >> data and got the info mixed up with the previous or next entry. The >> original is 1000 pages of very small and often indistinct print and I >> have enormous respect for those who painstakingly transcribed it for >> ireAtlas and irish Ancestors! >> >> As a result however, mine is closer to the original 1851 census data but >> I make no claims that it is perfect! Please let me know if you do spot >> an error :>). >> >> As a researcher of Ireland, it is important to understand that the >> parishes and townlands regularly changed and that there is no 'right' or >> 'wrong' definition. As a result, you need to be aware that, for example, >> the townland you have found in say Griffith in the early 1860s may or >> may not have existed in 1851or may have been part of a different parish. >> The parish it was part of may not even have been the adjacent one, but >> one two or three removed! This probably sounds confusing - it is - but >> it is a fact of life that you need to understand! >> >> As I have mentioned, I feel that the site could be improved to make it >> easier to use and so if you have any bright ideas, please let me know! >> -- >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Murray >> Christchurch >> New Zealand >> >> Visit us at KiwiCelts.com <http://kiwicelts.com> for ... >> >> * The only comprehensive list and map of New Zealand Cemeteries >> <http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cemetery_Map.html> >> * Interactive Administrative District map of Ireland >> <http://ireland.kiwicelts.com/irishMap/ireMap.html> >> * Our Family History >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message