Dear All on the list, I've been researching my Irish Ancestors in Australia and am needing some new thoughts or hints, hence my email. Until recently, I thought my GG Grandfather was James Oliver born in Crum(b)lin, Antrim, Ireland in about 1847. BUT, He has turned out to be far more complicated. His real name is James Oliver Bryans - unfortunately I can't find his arrival in Australia but according to his death certificate, he would have arrived in Australia about 1865 age 17. I found a brother who arrived in January 1863 - who used the name William Oliver Bryans - they don't seem to have been in contact. I'm a bit confused why my GG would have dropped the Bryans from his name. Could this be because he was just called James Oliver - and it stuck?...I've heard it is an Irish "custom" or trend to call people by their first two names. Is this a possibility? Of course he may have just been hiding and didn't want anyone to know his real name. How difficult is it to access Church Records for baptism or christening records? His parents were William Bryans and Mary Coburn according to his marriage certificate. He married Church of England in Australia, so I am unsure of his religion...his brother married in an Anglican church. Look forward to reading your thoughts. He has been a tricky character! Any help or thoughts will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in anticipation. Su Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=other&p2=au&p3=tagline

I need a lesson on researching in Belfast as I've found some information on the family and would like to continue while I'm on a roll. From the IGI I have film numbers for births such as 101090 101135 101160 and 101190. Do these films show parents names, maybe occupations like one finds on the films for English records or do they give a reference number for ordering certificates? Also there is a marriage in 1857 but no film number because it'e a patron submission. Would this be available on film or do I need to order the certificate? Also are there films for baptisms pre 1864? On ancestryireland I found a baptism for 1827 but I don't know if there is a film for this or similar records. regards Barbara

----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Cocker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] wills > Thanks Chris > I didn't find a will on either site but I did find a baptism on the > ancestryireland - very pleasant surprise as I didn't expect to find this > particular person's baptism. Surname Smith but luckily he had 2 middle > initials which gave him away. > Barbara >> Two places to start. >> >> PRONI - see; >> http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm they >> have most of the wills, or extracts, that still exist. >> >> UHF - see; http://www.ancestryireland.com/database.php - there site is >> expensive, even if you are a member. >> >> Chris Morgan >> Sheffield >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Barbara Cocker" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:19 AM >> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] wills >> >> >> >>> I would like to know if there is a way to search for wills for Ireland >>> around 1890. Hopefully there is an online source or films that I can >>> order. >>> >>> regards >>> Barbara >>> Perth Australia >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Chris I didn't find a will on either site but I did find a baptism on the ancestryireland - very pleasant surprise as I didn't expect to find this particular person's baptism. Surname Smith but luckily he had 2 middle initials which gave him away. Barbara > Two places to start. > > PRONI - see; > http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm they > have most of the wills, or extracts, that still exist. > > UHF - see; http://www.ancestryireland.com/database.php - there site is > expensive, even if you are a member. > > Chris Morgan > Sheffield > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Cocker" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:19 AM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] wills > > > >> I would like to know if there is a way to search for wills for Ireland >> around 1890. Hopefully there is an online source or films that I can >> order. >> >> regards >> Barbara >> Perth Australia >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

If you go to google.co.uk, click on maps, type kingsmoss rd (Kingsmoss Road) in the box you will find the area where Kings Moss is located. It is really only a hamlet with a few houses so Kings Moss is perhaps only a townland. John > Hello Terence >   > The information regarding King's Moss comes from a genealogist in the Belfast area who is believed to have found a birthplace of "King's Moss" for my great-grandfather, James Irvine, born in 1846.  His parents married > in Carnmoney Parish (Presbyterian) Church in 1844.  >   > James and his sisters (Margaret, Catharine, Gertrude) and brother, Samuel, > all emigrated to the Philadelphia area in the mid-to late 1800's.  James was a coachman by trade. >   > Are you saying that Stanley Irvine was from King's Moss?  At this point, my family and I are hopeful and thankful for any and all clues as to our "homeplace" and kin. >   > Thank you very kindly, >   > SallyAnn McChesney > Ohio > > --- On Tue, 12/2/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] King's Moss Co. Antrim Irvines?? > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 8:04 AM > > > In a message dated 12/1/2008 5:29:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > Hi > > Could anyone tell me if a town named "Kings Moss" still exists, and, if so, > are any Irvines living there still? I have traced my great-grandfather, > James Irvine, to Carnmoney Parish and this town. > > Also, any Irvines related to John and Elizabeth Irvine, married in 1844 at > Carnmoney Parish, Antrim? > > Thank you for your time. > > SallyAnn McChesney > > > Stanley Irvine had a furniture store in Belfast. He died about 20 years > ago > in Belfast. > His ancestors were from Scotland, but I do not know how many generations were in County Antrim > > Stanley was born about 1915---he married Rita Emmett in 1943. > > [Rita descends from James > Hamill > of County Tyrone] > > Son, Robin, born 1945 in/near Belfast. Grandson Jeremy born 1968 Belfast. > > Robin lives today in United States. Jeremy lives in London.. > > Carnmoney was a small community a century ago. Now, I am told, the expansion of Belfast has absorbed Carnmoney. You state your source names > "Kings > Moss"...was that source published in 1980's or 1920's or > 1880's ? > > I am in Nebraska, and have visited Belfast in past years. I have been told > that it is only a few miles from downtown Belfast to Carnmoney . > > Terence Kelley {descendant of James Hamill} > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 12/1/2008 5:29:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Could anyone tell me if a town named "Kings Moss" still exists, and, if so, are any Irvines living there still? I have traced my great-grandfather, James Irvine, to Carnmoney Parish and this town. Also, any Irvines related to John and Elizabeth Irvine, married in 1844 at Carnmoney Parish, Antrim? Thank you for your time. SallyAnn McChesney Stanley Irvine had a furniture store in Belfast. He died about 20 years ago in Belfast. His ancestors were from Scotland, but I do not know how many generations were in County Antrim Stanley was born about 1915---he married Rita Emmett in 1943. [Rita descends from James Hamill of County Tyrone] Son, Robin, born 1945 in/near Belfast. Grandson Jeremy born 1968 Belfast. Robin lives today in United States. Jeremy lives in London.. Carnmoney was a small community a century ago. Now, I am told, the expansion of Belfast has absorbed Carnmoney. You state your source names "Kings Moss"...was that source published in 1980's or 1920's or 1880's ? I am in Nebraska, and have visited Belfast in past years. I have been told that it is only a few miles from downtown Belfast to Carnmoney . Terence Kelley {descendant of James Hamill} **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

Hello Terence   The information regarding King's Moss comes from a genealogist in the Belfast area who is believed to have found a birthplace of "King's Moss" for my great-grandfather, James Irvine, born in 1846.  His parents married in Carnmoney Parish (Presbyterian) Church in 1844.    James and his sisters (Margaret, Catharine, Gertrude) and brother, Samuel, all emigrated to the Philadelphia area in the mid-to late 1800's.  James was a coachman by trade.   Are you saying that Stanley Irvine was from King's Moss?  At this point, my family and I are hopeful and thankful for any and all clues as to our "homeplace" and kin.   Thank you very kindly,   SallyAnn McChesney Ohio --- On Tue, 12/2/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] King's Moss Co. Antrim Irvines?? To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 8:04 AM In a message dated 12/1/2008 5:29:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Could anyone tell me if a town named "Kings Moss" still exists, and, if so, are any Irvines living there still? I have traced my great-grandfather, James Irvine, to Carnmoney Parish and this town. Also, any Irvines related to John and Elizabeth Irvine, married in 1844 at Carnmoney Parish, Antrim? Thank you for your time. SallyAnn McChesney Stanley Irvine had a furniture store in Belfast. He died about 20 years ago in Belfast. His ancestors were from Scotland, but I do not know how many generations were in County Antrim Stanley was born about 1915---he married Rita Emmett in 1943. [Rita descends from James Hamill of County Tyrone] Son, Robin, born 1945 in/near Belfast. Grandson Jeremy born 1968 Belfast. Robin lives today in United States. Jeremy lives in London.. Carnmoney was a small community a century ago. Now, I am told, the expansion of Belfast has absorbed Carnmoney. You state your source names "Kings Moss"...was that source published in 1980's or 1920's or 1880's ? I am in Nebraska, and have visited Belfast in past years. I have been told that it is only a few miles from downtown Belfast to Carnmoney . Terence Kelley {descendant of James Hamill} **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Two places to start. PRONI - see; http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm they have most of the wills, or extracts, that still exist. UHF - see; http://www.ancestryireland.com/database.php - there site is expensive, even if you are a member. Chris Morgan Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Cocker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] wills > > I would like to know if there is a way to search for wills for Ireland > around 1890. Hopefully there is an online source or films that I can > order. > > regards > Barbara > Perth Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ann I join the UHF Guild in October and got my password no problem. Did you receive a confirmation email that your payment had gone through and confirmation of you joining the guild? This was on the bottom of mine hope it helps: If you forget your password at any time, please use the reminder facility on the Guild web page. If you have any queries regarding your membership, or other aspects of the Ulster Historical Foundation, please contact the Guild Secretary Miss Aoife Moore. [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Our full postal address is: Ulster Historical Foundation Cotton Court 30-42 Waring Street Belfast BT1 6DD Northern Ireland John -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ann Lackey" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 6:29 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Ulster Historical Foundation > I paid to join the Ulster Historical Foundation and was told that I > would receive a password, but so far I have not. Has anyone else had > better luck. I joined in October. > > Ann Lackey > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi to all on the list I read with excitement yesterday the emails between Barbara and Mike Boyd of Brisbane, AUS, in relation to these Obituaries. Can I ask for contact details (snail or email) so I can get in touch with the Newspaper Library in relation to finding an OBIT in relation to my GG Grandfather Hugh McCAMBRIDGE. He was entombed whilst building the railway in Co Antrim but details as to where are sketchy. His son ran to tell his mother the sad news - apparently father and son both worked to build the railway. Thanks Kind regards Cherylanne -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE

Hi Could anyone tell me if a town named "Kings Moss" still exists, and, if so, are any Irvines living there still? I have traced my great-grandfather, James Irvine, to Carnmoney Parish and this town. Also, any Irvines related to John and Elizabeth Irvine, married in 1844 at Carnmoney Parish, Antrim? Thank you for your time. SallyAnn McChesney

Some notes on my family show that an Alexander LAUGHLIN born about 1815 married a Grayzetta DOUGLAS. The notes also show that the couple had three children: Anna, Agnes, and Henry. If these names look familiar to anyone I would like to hear from you. I do not know who wrote the notes or their source of information on the wife's name. According to the notes, Alexander was the oldest child of Thomas Laughlin and Agnes (Nancy) Clark. There were 11 other children all of whom migrated to Canada/US or were born there. I have considerable information on much of the family that emigrated but have not found a lead on Alexander. I am not new to genealogy but am new to Ireland sources and records. Any tidbits will be appreciated. IAnne in Aurora IL USA **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

Following a family story regarding a relative Sir Charles BRETT I have found a marriage between Margaret NEILL (My father's great aunt) and Charles Henry BRETT. Charles and Margaret had at least 5 chn - 2 daughters - names unknown and 3 sons - Charles Wills 1864 (died age 2) Alfred Edward 1865 and George Henry 1871. Charles Brett was a solicitor in Belfast - L'Estrange & Brett - and later generations have followed in his footsteps. It would be great to make contact with others researching this family. regards Barbara Perth Australia

I would like to know if there is a way to search for wills for Ireland around 1890. Hopefully there is an online source or films that I can order. regards Barbara Perth Australia

I paid to join the Ulster Historical Foundation and was told that I would receive a password, but so far I have not. Has anyone else had better luck. I joined in October. Ann Lackey

Did you get my message with the death certificate references ? Cheers for now from Valerie in sunny Sydney -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara Cocker Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2008 11:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] death notices/obituaries Thanks to everyone who helped me find information about Dr James W T Smith. I had very little information on the family but I've learnt a lot about him this week. Some of the information came from the Belfast Central Library - Newspaper Library http://www.ni-libraries.net/libraries/belb/belfast-central-library-newspaper -library/ I rang them and they gave me an email address to write to - [email protected] Maybe that will help someone else with their research. regards Barbara Perth australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Valerie No I didn't get that message. I had one re your visit to the LDS (which I meant to reply to) but it was too late to catch you before you left. thanks Barbara > Did you get my message with the death certificate references ? > > Cheers for now from Valerie in sunny Sydney > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara Cocker > Sent: Wednesday, 26 November 2008 11:51 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] death notices/obituaries > > > Thanks to everyone who helped me find information about Dr James W T > Smith. I had very little information on the family but I've learnt a lot > about him this week. > Some of the information came from the Belfast Central Library - > Newspaper Library > > http://www.ni-libraries.net/libraries/belb/belfast-central-library-newspaper > -library/ > > I rang them and they gave me an email address to write to - > [email protected] > Maybe that will help someone else with their research. > > regards > Barbara > Perth australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I could look it up at the Parramatta LDS to-day BUT I notice that there is no information in this e-mail. I hope you can get back to me before I leave. Cheers for now from Valerie in sunny Sydney -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barbara Cocker Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 2:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] death notices/obituaries Thanks Valerie That would be great. Not easy looking for Smith but this has been a brick wall knocked down. Where do you look it up? must be late in sydney - it's after midnight here. Barbara > Hi again Barbara > > If you want to get his death certificate I could look up the reference for > you. > > Cheers for now from Valerie in sunny Sydney - no it is dark now > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Boyd > Sent: Monday, 24 November 2008 9:06 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] death notices/obituaries > > Barbara > > Behind the Belfast Central Library is the Newspaper Library about 50 yards > away - sorry I do not have an Email address for them - so as you have his > dateof death, etc, they should be able to do a quick look up for you to tell > > you if there was an article in the local Newspaper. > > Hopefully, they can tell how how you may be able to get an copy of the > article. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Cocker" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:46 PM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] death notices/obituaries > > > >> I have just been lucky enough to find an obituary for my ggrandfather, >> Dr James WT Smith, in The Lancet 1890. I was hoping that there might be >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to everyone who helped me find information about Dr James W T Smith. I had very little information on the family but I've learnt a lot about him this week. Some of the information came from the Belfast Central Library - Newspaper Library http://www.ni-libraries.net/libraries/belb/belfast-central-library-newspaper-library/ I rang them and they gave me an email address to write to - [email protected] Maybe that will help someone else with their research. regards Barbara Perth australia

Hi Mike Thanks very much for the information about the newspaper library. I rang them and they have sent me some information. regards Barbara > Barbara > > Behind the Belfast Central Library is the Newspaper Library about 50 yards > away - sorry I do not have an Email address for them - so as you have his > dateof death, etc, they should be able to do a quick look up for you to tell > you if there was an article in the local Newspaper. > > Hopefully, they can tell how how you may be able to get an copy of the > article. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Cocker" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 4:46 PM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] death notices/obituaries > > > >> I have just been lucky enough to find an obituary for my ggrandfather, >> Dr James WT Smith, in The Lancet 1890. I was hoping that there might be >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >