I surely did not intend for Sharon to think that I felt she was stupid or that I was 'talking down' to her. On her 2nd posting she gave the data on Elizabeth Bowles' marriage. Therefore, I thought that she might have the same information for Elizabeth's siblings. It still is not clear if the family of Robert Bowles moved to Manchester with him or if they stayed in Ireland. I sincerely apologize for any ill feelings. I do stand by my requesting people to use WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE when they post a query seeking help. It makes it much easier to assist them. I realize that many people cannot supply all of the data for those catagories but every piece of information helps us help them. Regards, Bettye

If I had more to go on I would have mentioned it, as I wrote in first message to begin with pretty much that was all I had. As for th siblings I dont know anything about them other then names. You shouldnt talk to people like they are stupid either, if you read what I wrote, you should have understood my problem with my Uncle not being able to read and write. If this list has people that sarcastic, please remove me from the list. Thank You Sorry members I didnt mean to pose a problem Sharon Bettye Heinrich <[email protected]> wrote: Sharon needs to post what info she has on the Bowles family. Does she know if the children of Robert Bowles were born in Co Antrim or after he moved to Manchester, England. Does she know the names of the spouses of Elizabeth's siblings. It appears from her last posting that Elizabeth married in Ireland and resided there. People need to use WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE when they post a query seeking help. I enjoy trying to help other researchers but I don't like getting information 'piece meal'. That is like pulling teeth. Regards, Bettye ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon needs to post what info she has on the Bowles family. Does she know if the children of Robert Bowles were born in Co Antrim or after he moved to Manchester, England. Does she know the names of the spouses of Elizabeth's siblings. It appears from her last posting that Elizabeth married in Ireland and resided there. People need to use WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE when they post a query seeking help. I enjoy trying to help other researchers but I don't like getting information 'piece meal'. That is like pulling teeth. Regards, Bettye

Well from what my Uncle had mentioned was that Robert Bowles and his brother came from Germany, and were Iron Horse Dealers, then opened shop as boot makers. But not knowing the spellings of the last names makes it almost impossible to find anything. I do know Elizabeth Bowles? married John "Jack" Fullerton maybe around 1932 or slightly before that and they lived in Dungannon. I guess I will have to try pry more information out of my Uncle. This is so tough to try to research at a distance with no Census available to search through. Thanks for trying. I appreciate it> . Sharon David Bartley <[email protected]> wrote: Sharon, One place to search is the Belfast Street Dirrectory: http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1880ab.htm In the 1901 Dirrectory are listed: Costello, Mrs., 85 Wellington Park Costello, Robert, box maker, 9 Brook Street (No. 2) Costello, Shirley, horse dealer, 16 Dunvegan Street I know there was a James Boal shoemaker. David On Dec 29, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Sharon Smith wrote: > Hi list members, > > I have hit a brick wall and was wondering if anyone might be > able to help. I will explain as best as I can, but without much > information, I might not find any help. My Grandmother was > Elizabeth Bowles?? Spelling of last name is uncertain, but she was > born about 1897, and her father was Robert Bowles and mother was > either Costley or Costello first name unknown. All the information > that I know is that Robert had a shoe repair business for a time > before leaving for Manchester England. Sorry to say I cant get > exact spellings of last names as my Uncle cant read or write so any > record would be a guess with him being informant. There were 4 > other childern to Robert and his wife, a Nellie, Bella, Johnny, and > Robert. I just dont know where to find anything to help me. I am > hoping maybe someone on the list might find something to help me. > I'm totally out of ideas. Really sorry not much to go on here. If > anyone has Ideas to help, let me know. > > Happy New Year to all > > Sharon > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'll second that. It's like trying to find Joe in Houston because a grandfather was born in the U.S., and I should know him - no other information given...aaargh! Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettye Heinrich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Wright surname - Portglenone Parish, County Antrim > It would be so nice if people would use Who What When and Where when > they > post a query asking for assistance. It makes it much easier to help > someone > if you have more details. > > The posting seeking information on Richard Crawford Wright is confusing. > What does Portglenone, Co Antrim, Ireland have to do with his being born > circa 1907 in New York ? WHAT were the names of his parents or his > spouse? WHERE did he live ? WHEN did he marry ? > > Regards, Bettye > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list members, I have hit a brick wall and was wondering if anyone might be able to help. I will explain as best as I can, but without much information, I might not find any help. My Grandmother was Elizabeth Bowles?? Spelling of last name is uncertain, but she was born about 1897, and her father was Robert Bowles and mother was either Costley or Costello first name unknown. All the information that I know is that Robert had a shoe repair business for a time before leaving for Manchester England. Sorry to say I cant get exact spellings of last names as my Uncle cant read or write so any record would be a guess with him being informant. There were 4 other childern to Robert and his wife, a Nellie, Bella, Johnny, and Robert. I just dont know where to find anything to help me. I am hoping maybe someone on the list might find something to help me. I'm totally out of ideas. Really sorry not much to go on here. If anyone has Ideas to help, let me know. Happy New Year to all Sharon

It would be so nice if people would use Who What When and Where when they post a query asking for assistance. It makes it much easier to help someone if you have more details. The posting seeking information on Richard Crawford Wright is confusing. What does Portglenone, Co Antrim, Ireland have to do with his being born circa 1907 in New York ? WHAT were the names of his parents or his spouse? WHERE did he live ? WHEN did he marry ? Regards, Bettye

Hello Listers: Is anyone on the list researching the Wright surname? I am interested in a Robert (Bob) Crawford WRIGHT, Portglenone, County Antrim, born c1907 in New York. Any help in this regard will be very much appreciated Thanks for your time. Alice Cochrane Interests in County Antrim: Crawford, Cochran, Gamble, Stewart

Linda There is still an Kells Reformed Presbyterian Church a little west of the town of Kells. Connor is only a few kms away form it, so they may know what happened to the Church in the Parish of Connor. The Minister at the Presbyterian Church in Kells, it self, was a Rev Boyd, whom I meet in early 2007. He may also be a second contact for you to point you in the right direction. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Holley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 2:14 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] 1911 Census > James Burnside, 68, his wife Ester, 60, and daughters, Hannagh, 35, > and Agnes, 27. James, Ester, and Agnes were born in Co. Antrim but > Hannagh was born in Canada. They lived in the Townland of Kildrum, > the Barony of Lower Antrim, the Parish of Connor, and the Dist. Elec. > Division of Kells. They were Reformed Presbyterians. > > With the above info am I able to search for church records? > > Thank you for any help, Linda >

Barbara What odds that after Robert's death that his wife re-married. If so, where might that have been - Belfast or somewhere else? Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Cocker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] 1911 census place search > Hi John > > Thanks for your suggestion but I now have information about his death. > I'm waiting for the English 1911 census to see if she moved back to > England after Strafford died. > > regards > Barbara >> Hi Barbara

Thanks for that idea but Nevin sent me a death for Margaret Black Smith and now I think that I've found her living with her father in 1911. I found a tree on ancestry giving her father's name and that fits with a family in Co Down in 1911. Seems she lost her husband and son in 1900 and lived for another 33 years. Barbara > Barbara > What odds that after Robert's death that his wife re-married. > > If so, where might that have been - Belfast or somewhere else? > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Cocker" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 10:35 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] 1911 census place search > > > >> Hi John >> >> Thanks for your suggestion but I now have information about his death. >> I'm waiting for the English 1911 census to see if she moved back to >> England after Strafford died. >> >> regards >> Barbara >> >>> Hi Barbara >>> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi John Thanks for the details of Robert Strafford's will. I knew very little about him but thanks to the list I've had a very successful evening learning about Strafford. regards Barbara > HI all > > Found the following from the Wills database on the Public Records Office for > Northern Ireland (PRONI) > > > Forename: Robert Strafford > Surname: Smith > Alt Surname: > Date Of Death: 05/10/1900 > Date Of Grant: 05/12/1900 > Effects: Effects £5,262 11s. 1d. > Registry: Belfast > > > Full Abstract: > Administration of the estate of Robert Strafford Smith late of 23 Great > Victoria-street Belfast M.D. who died 5 October 1900 granted at Belfast to > Margaret Black Smith the Widow > > > Hope this helps > > John > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:02 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] 1911 census place search > > >> Barbara, might this be him? >> >> >> "LEGAL NOTICE. >> Re Dr. ROBERT STRAFFORD SMITH, late of Great Victoria Street, Belfast, >> Deceased. >> ALL PERSONS HAVING CLAIMS ON the Estate of the above Deceased, who died >> 5th >> inst., will please send particulars thereof (in writing) to the >> undersigned, >> on or before the 18th inst. >> Dated 9th October, 1900 L'ESTRANGE & BREET, Solicitors 9, Chichester >> Street, >> Belfast." >> The notice appears in the Belfast Newsletter, Tuesday, 16 October, 1900. >> There would probably be a report of his death in an earlier edition of >> that >> newspaper. >> >> Nevin >> >> >> _NALIL - North Antrim Local Interest List >> >> >> In a message dated 26/12/2008 04:30:11 GMT Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> I'm unable to find Strafford Smith on the 1911 census >> >> _ (http://nalil.blogspot.com/) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi John Thanks for your suggestion but I now have information about his death. I'm waiting for the English 1911 census to see if she moved back to England after Strafford died. regards Barbara > Hi Barbara > > Are you sure about the spelling of Strafford Smith? I have found on Emerald > Ancestors a marriage for a Stafford Smyth to a Sarah Jane HENDERSON at > Donegall Street Congregational Church, Shankill, Belfast on 23 December > 1880. > Looked for a death on Emerald Ancestors but none found. > > To search the 1911 Census Marlborough park is in the Windsor Ward, DED If > you type in the street as Marlborough and DED as Windsor with no surname at > the top you should get all Marlborough park entries. No sign of Smith or > Smyth. > > John > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Barbara Cocker" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 4:29 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] 1911 census place search > > >> I'm unable to find Strafford Smith on the 1911 census - he may have died >> by then but I don't know where to look for deaths without paying for a >> search. Any suggestions? I haven't found a marriage so I can't search >> for Mrs Smith by her christian name. >> >> In the 1907 phone books on ancestry Mrs Strafford Smith is living at >> "Shandon" Marlborough Park. I've tried doing a place search on the >> census to see who was living there but can't I find Marlborough Park. >> Any suggestions on how to search - there are heaps of sections to search >> and I've tried a few but no luck. >> >> Barbara >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Nevin Thankyou very much for the legal notice and obituary. After I'd posted the email I also came across the legal notice, after finding out from another article in the Belfast News that he was actually Robert Strafford Smith but he seemed to be known by both names. I'm interested to know where you found the obituary. His father was a very well known doctor in Belfast and had his obituary in The Lancet. I also came across Strafford's marriage in London in 1899 so I've had a successful evening. Thanks for your help Barbara Perth Australia > OBITUARY, > R. STRAFFORD SMITH, M D., > Physician to the Royal Victoria Hospital, Belfast. > THE intelligence of the death of Dr. Strafford Smith has > caused the keenest regret, not only among the profession. > but also among a large section of the public in the north of Ireland. About > three to four weeks ago Dr. Smith suffered > from a carbuncle. From this, however, he had recovered, and > was congratulating himself on the prospect of a well-deserved > holiday when, about September 24th, he was seized with a > sharp pain in the course of the sciatic nerve. Symptoms of > a general intense septicaemia set in, which chiefly manifested > themselves in a low form of pneumonia and in spinal irritation, > probably meningeal, but the whole system was evidently > affected, and he sank rapidlv, and died on the morning of October 5th. > Dr. Smith was the elder son of the late Dr. J. W. T. Smith > (Belfast), one of its leading physicians, well known as an > indefatigable worker and an acute clinician. He inherited > many of his father's qualitiess; the excellent sense of humour, the gentle > touch of irony, his marked enthusiasm, and what may be termed his delight in > his professional work. He > was 40 years old, and had studied medicine in Belfast, London, > and Vienna. His connection with the old Royal Hospital, > now the Royal Victoria Hospital, was lifelong. He was > in succession Resident Pupil, House Physician, Assistant Physician, and in > 1895 he became Visiting Physician in succession > to the late Dr. Ross. Amongst the students he was a > general favourite, and his sound practical clinical teaching > was clear and precise, and of that quality which stands to the > practitioner in after-life. At the time of his death he was also > Consulting Physician to the Belfast Charitable Society, > Honorary Physician to Nurses Home, the Lord Cbancellor's > Visitor in Lunacy, and the Honorary Secretary to the Medical > and Surgical Staff of the Royal Victoria Hospital. He also > enjoyed a large practice amongst the better class, and, like his > father, he gained the warm friendship of his patients as well > as their entire professional confidence. Apart from the many > close and life-long personal friends who so deeply regret the > loss, everyone must deplore the death of one who had just > reached his zenith of usefulness, and will extend to his widow > and child their deepest sympathy. > > Nevin > > _NALIL - North Antrim Local Interest List > > > In a message dated 26/12/2008 04:30:11 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Strafford Smith > > _ (http://nalil.blogspot.com/) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Mike, How might I be able to contact the minister at the Presbyterian Church in Kells? I have friends in the UK so I have 2 free hours of calls there each month with 8 cents a minute after that - I could call him. Thank you so much for the information! Linda On Dec 26, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Mike Boyd wrote: > Linda > There is still an Kells Reformed Presbyterian Church a little west > of the > town of Kells. > > Connor is only a few kms away form it, so they may know what > happened to the > Church in the Parish of Connor. > > The Minister at the Presbyterian Church in Kells, it self, was a Rev > Boyd, > whom I meet in early 2007. He may also be a second contact for you > to point > you in the right direction. > > Mike Boyd > Brisbane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Holley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 2:14 AM > Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] 1911 Census > > >> James Burnside, 68, his wife Ester, 60, and daughters, Hannagh, 35, >> and Agnes, 27. James, Ester, and Agnes were born in Co. Antrim but >> Hannagh was born in Canada. They lived in the Townland of Kildrum, >> the Barony of Lower Antrim, the Parish of Connor, and the Dist. Elec. >> Division of Kells. They were Reformed Presbyterians. >> >> With the above info am I able to search for church records? >> >> Thank you for any help, Linda >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I'm unable to find Strafford Smith on the 1911 census - he may have died by then but I don't know where to look for deaths without paying for a search. Any suggestions? I haven't found a marriage so I can't search for Mrs Smith by her christian name. In the 1907 phone books on ancestry Mrs Strafford Smith is living at "Shandon" Marlborough Park. I've tried doing a place search on the census to see who was living there but can't I find Marlborough Park. Any suggestions on how to search - there are heaps of sections to search and I've tried a few but no luck. Barbara

Mike; Anyone doing Irish genealogy research should have this 'arrow in his quiver'. http://www.seanruad.com/ Gleaned from there: Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Rathmore 67 Antrim Upper Antrim Donegore Antrim Ulster * Rathmore 298 Antrim Upper Antrim Nilteen Grange Antrim Ulster Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Boyd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Where is Rathmore

HI all Found the following from the Wills database on the Public Records Office for Northern Ireland (PRONI) Forename: Robert Strafford Surname: Smith Alt Surname: Date Of Death: 05/10/1900 Date Of Grant: 05/12/1900 Effects: Effects £5,262 11s. 1d. Registry: Belfast Full Abstract: Administration of the estate of Robert Strafford Smith late of 23 Great Victoria-street Belfast M.D. who died 5 October 1900 granted at Belfast to Margaret Black Smith the Widow Hope this helps John -------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 11:02 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] 1911 census place search > > Barbara, might this be him? > > > "LEGAL NOTICE. > Re Dr. ROBERT STRAFFORD SMITH, late of Great Victoria Street, Belfast, > Deceased. > ALL PERSONS HAVING CLAIMS ON the Estate of the above Deceased, who died > 5th > inst., will please send particulars thereof (in writing) to the > undersigned, > on or before the 18th inst. > Dated 9th October, 1900 L'ESTRANGE & BREET, Solicitors 9, Chichester > Street, > Belfast." > The notice appears in the Belfast Newsletter, Tuesday, 16 October, 1900. > There would probably be a report of his death in an earlier edition of > that > newspaper. > > Nevin > > > _NALIL - North Antrim Local Interest List > > > In a message dated 26/12/2008 04:30:11 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I'm unable to find Strafford Smith on the 1911 census > > _ (http://nalil.blogspot.com/) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Barbara Are you sure about the spelling of Strafford Smith? I have found on Emerald Ancestors a marriage for a Stafford Smyth to a Sarah Jane HENDERSON at Donegall Street Congregational Church, Shankill, Belfast on 23 December 1880. Looked for a death on Emerald Ancestors but none found. To search the 1911 Census Marlborough park is in the Windsor Ward, DED If you type in the street as Marlborough and DED as Windsor with no surname at the top you should get all Marlborough park entries. No sign of Smith or Smyth. John -------------------------------------------------- From: "Barbara Cocker" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 4:29 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] 1911 census place search > I'm unable to find Strafford Smith on the 1911 census - he may have died > by then but I don't know where to look for deaths without paying for a > search. Any suggestions? I haven't found a marriage so I can't search > for Mrs Smith by her christian name. > > In the 1907 phone books on ancestry Mrs Strafford Smith is living at > "Shandon" Marlborough Park. I've tried doing a place search on the > census to see who was living there but can't I find Marlborough Park. > Any suggestions on how to search - there are heaps of sections to search > and I've tried a few but no luck. > > Barbara > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone have free access to either the Belfast Newsletter or any other Belfast newspaper from 1898 and 1913? I am looking for the obits on my husband's great-grandparents who were both born in Belfast and died in Chicago, IL.   Matthew King, born about 1854  ~ died: 03-13-1898 Sarah Jane Mawhinney King, born: 08-15-1854  ~  died: 01-28-1913   In their Chicago Tribune obits it was stated ... "Belfast papers please copy".   I'm hoping their obits shed some light on their families in Ireland especially siblings.   They were married on 08-15-1874, in the Reformed Presbyterian church in Doagh Parish, county of Antrim.  From their marriage record I found out that Matthew's father's name was Hugh King and Sarah's father's name was Samuel Mawhinney.  That's all I know about them going backwards.    Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.   Sandy Oddie/Orland Park, IL - USA