Can anyone here confirm that the following John McClellan is actually the father of William McClelland (1733 - 1815) and Lt. Colonel John B McClelland (1734 - 1782)? According to my notes, John B McClellan(d), father of William and John, was born abt 1710 in Antrim, Ulster, Northern Ireland. York County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1749-1819 about John McClellan Name: John McClellan Description: Son Date: 21 Apr 1755 Prove Date: 2 May 1755 Remarks: McClellan, William. Apr. 21, 1755. Executor: William McClellen. Cumberland Township. Children: William, Elizabeth, John, Jacob, David, and Mary. Source Information: Lineages, Inc., comp.. York County, Pennsylvania Wills, 1749-1819 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000. Original data: York County Wills. Originals housed at the York County Archives. Thanks, John McClellan

I would like to hear from anyone with a Jane Berryman born ca 1810 and from Ballymena in their ancestry? Ray Jones

Hello - Looking for CHAPMAN & HARPER from Lambeg. Pre-1855.

I am searching for information about the above couple - Mr and Mrs J. H Wann who lived in Cushendall in the 1900s. Mrs Wann is said to have owned the picture house in Cushendall at one time, and I have an old address for Mr J H Wann, The Chateau, Cushendall. This is not much to go on, but I am hoping that someone on the List might know about the picture house or the chateau - and any details at all concerning Mr and Mrs Wann would be much appreciated. Thank you Susan

Best wishes to all on the list for 2009. Hope it is a year of successes with all of our research! Jane Australia

From: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] 1911 Census for Ireland >I have been using the above Census over the past week or so and found it useful as much of my ancestry is located in the counties released up to now. >For anyone who has not used the facility it may be of interest to know that the entries show Forename, Surname, Relationship to Head of Family, Religious Denomination, Ability to Read & Write, Trade or Profession, Age, Marital Status, County of Birth and , for married women, how long married, Number of children born and how many still alive. Hi Ian and Listers.... On Page 1 of the Household Return (Form A) one can also, besides what Ian listed, discover those who only spoke the Irish or those who spoke both Irish and English. Also whether a member of the household is Deaf and Dumb; Dumb only; Blind; Imbecile or Idiot; or Lunatic. IF you go on, to Page 2 of Form A, you can read the census taker's instructions and some really neat specifics about a variety of professions and instructions about that category. You will also see the appropriate geographic and governmental info for this family: County, Poor Law Union, District Electoral Division, Barony, Parish, Townland, City, Parliamentary Borough or Division, Urban District, Town or Village, Street & with # of House, and Name of the Head of Family. THIS ALSO SHOWS the # of the family for Form B. PAY ATTENTION to this #; you'll need it for other pages! The "Other original census images available" on this fantastic 1910 online Irish Census: €€€€€ENUMERATOR'S ABSTRACT (Form N) and Additional Pages: 2, which include, in numerical information: # on Form B; Dwelling Houses: Inhabited, Uninhabited, and Buildings Families: # in each House Persons: Males, Females; Total Specifics about Religious Profession (religion/faith one professed, that is) Roman Catholics: Males, Females Protestant Episcopalians: with two categories, both M/F Presbyterians, Methodists, Independents, Baptists, Friends/Quakers, Jews, All other Persuasions, AND "Information refused": all with M & F listed. REMEMBER the "# of the family for Form B" found at the far right of Form A? You'll need to know that # to find your family on this Form N, since all info is numerical. Page 1 of Form N is households #1-11; Pg 2 is #12-->. €€€€€HOUSE AND BUILDING RETURN (Form B1) and Additional Pages: 2 Again, you need to remember the "# of the family for Form B" for this Form B1, although each line/listing also has a (double check) "Head of household listing. You will find this info on these pages: ABOUT HOUSES: # of House or Building Whether Built or Building What type of building, ie Private, Public, School, Manufactory, Hotel, etc. # of Out-offices and Farm-steadings as returned on Form B2 If house is inhabited AND particulars about inhabited houses: Walls, Roof, Rooms, Windows (in front); total of those 4 columns Class of House, according to total, ie 12 or above=1st class, 1-2=4th class. ABOUT FAMILIES: # of distinct families in each house Name of Head (this is a double check for you to know if you've got the correct listing!) # of rooms occupied by each family Date on which Form A was collected. # of persons in each family who were sick on 2 Apr 1911 Name of Landholder (if any) on whose holding the House is situated. # on Form M1 if house is on holding of Landholder. (this Form M is not included, at least so far in the online census images.) €€€€€OUT-OFFICES AND FARM-STEADINGS RETURN (Form B2) and Additional Pages: 2 Form B2 includes 18 categories of "Out-Offices and Farm-Steadings" such as Stables, Coach Houses, Dairy, Piggery, Barn, Potato House, Forge, and Laundry. The 1st column is the # on Form B1 to which these out buildings belong; the last column is the total of the out buildings for that listing. There are 15 listings on Page 1, and the remaining on Page 2. How to find these other pages? When you click on the forename of your desired person in the search results, a page appears - showing all the residents in the household. The title of the page will be something like this: "Residents of house number 18 in Lismaree (Banbridge Rural, Down)" Below the list of residents you will see: "View census images" with all four Forms listed and linked to their images, along with the 2nd pages also linked to images. Note too, that the search page for this census <http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/> includes helps, esp: "What information does the census contain?" and the "detailed guide to the 1911 census" tells you of NINE other forms that were included in this census. I'm assuming one has to go to the originals in/from the National Archives of Ireland....since I do not know if they're accessible elsewhere. By the way, if you copy and paste the listings above onto your own word template, it will be a start toward a full template where you can easily insert the information from your desired listings. Good luck! And enjoy..... (unfortunately all my known Irish came to America in the 1700s) Cari McQuaid Thomas <western37(at)cox(dot)net>

Wow! John you seem to have broken Sharon's wall.....and she was right with the assumed spellings, and Costley names too. It just shows that family lore often pans out! Thanks for helping a new lister! Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Waugh" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Birth in Belfast > Hi Sharon > > I have found a possible marriage > > Entry Details > Record Type Civil Marriage > Date of Marriage 2 Jun 1893 > Groom Name Robert L BOAL > Bride Name ellen jane COSTLEY > Church Belfast Civil Registrars Office > Parish Shankill > Civil District Belfast > County Antrim > > I was able to find this on Emerald Ancestors > http://www.emeraldancestors.com > > Also a few web sites you could try. Some you might know. > http://www.familysearch.org > http://www.groni.gov.uk/ For Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates > http://www.proni.gov.uk/ Public Records Office for Northern Ireland > http://www.rootschat.com A family history forum website with lots of > helpful people > > Hope this helps > John > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Sharon Smith" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:24 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Birth in Belfast > >> If I had more to go on I would have mentioned it, as I wrote in first >> message to begin with pretty much that was all I had. As for th siblings >> I dont know anything about them other then names. You shouldnt talk to >> people like they are stupid either, if you read what I wrote, you should >> have understood my problem with my Uncle not being able to read and >> write. If this list has people that sarcastic, please remove me from the >> list. >> >> Thank You >> Sorry members I didnt mean to pose a problem >> >> Sharon >> >> Bettye Heinrich <[email protected]> wrote: >> Sharon needs to post what info she has on the Bowles family. Does she >> know if the children of Robert Bowles were born in Co Antrim or after he >> moved to Manchester, England. Does she know the names of the spouses of >> Elizabeth's siblings. It appears from her last posting that Elizabeth >> married in Ireland and resided there. >> >> People need to use WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE when they post a query >> seeking help. I enjoy trying to help other researchers but I don't like >> getting information 'piece meal'. That is like pulling teeth. >> >> Regards, Bettye >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1869 - Release Date: 12/30/2008 12:06 PM

Hi Sharon, There are people on the Fermangh Gold list who have done a lot of research on Boles/Bowles. You might want to check out that list - and it's a good one! Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 4:21 PM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Birth in Belfast > Hi list members, > > I have hit a brick wall and was wondering if anyone might be able to > help. I will explain as best as I can, but without much information, I > might not find any help. My Grandmother was Elizabeth Bowles?? Spelling > of last name is uncertain, but she was born about 1897, and her father was > Robert Bowles and mother was either Costley or Costello first name > unknown. All the information that I know is that Robert had a shoe repair > business for a time before leaving for Manchester England. Sorry to say I > cant get exact spellings of last names as my Uncle cant read or write so > any record would be a guess with him being informant. There were 4 other > childern to Robert and his wife, a Nellie, Bella, Johnny, and Robert. I > just dont know where to find anything to help me. I am hoping maybe > someone on the list might find something to help me. I'm totally out of > ideas. Really sorry not much to go on here. If anyone has Ideas to help, > let me know. > > Happy New Year to all > > Sharon > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1869 - Release Date: 12/30/2008 12:06 PM

Sharon wrote .. > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:05:50 -0800 (PST) > From: Sharon Smith <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Birth in Belfast > To: [email protected] > .. > But not knowing the spellings of the last names makes it almost impossible to > find anything. I do know Elizabeth Bowles? married John "Jack" Fullerton maybe around 1932 or slightly before that and > they lived in Dungannon. I guess I will have to try pry more information out of my Uncle. > This is so tough to try to research at a distance with no Census available to search through. You might like to know, Sharon, that if you surf to http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/ you can now [from 22 Dec 2008] search the 1911 Census of Ireland, (Counties Antrim, Down, Dublin, Kerry ONLY - so far) for FREE! On the search page, you can search by names; I *think* you can use 'wildcards' [* character] to search for incomplete names or spelling variations. [Mail me off-list if you need help with 'wildcards'] You can put it 'Antrim' or 'Down' in the county box, to limit the amount returned. On the Search Page, there is a button labelled "Browse Census", which allows you to work from County [eg Antrim], down to DED [Electoral district], down to townland, down to street (if any), down to households. You can get output as [typed] transcripts or as [manuscript] page images of the original forms, (with more detail than the transcripts). All for FREE! Best offer on any online census I've ever seen! Happy New Year and Good Luck with your search. Brian in mild, sunny England

I have been using the above Census over the past week or so and found it useful as much of my ancestry is located in the counties released up to now. However, I had difficulty in finding information regarding my grandfather's brother James Conway although I had managed to find the rest of his siblings. Fortunately I had managed previously to find the details of some of James and his wife Matilda's children one of whom was born in 1909 at 16 Glenwherry Street, Belfast. Using Glenwherry as the search parameter I was able to find an entry fort the address and was surprised to find a family with matching forenames and ages at the address but with the name CONNELLY. Having found this information I then checked the image for the summary of the enumerators entries and found that the name of the occupier of 16 Glenwherry Street was in fact James Conway. The ability to search for different elements in the Census makes this a useful tool for anyone searching for ancestors who could possibly be alive at the time it was taken and will be of increasing benefit as the other counties are added but be prepared to search using all the alternatives. For anyone who has not used the facility it may be of interest to know that the entries show Forename, Surname, Relationship to Head of Family, Religious Denomination, Ability to Read & Write, Trade or Profession, Age, Marital Status, County of Birth and , for married women, how long married, Number of children born and how many still alive. With that information available I have been able to complete the records for my grandfather's parents (from 1840) and all his siblings and their families up to those born prior to the Census date. Ian A C Scott

Looking for James Reid [born abt 1853] wife unknown and two children. Elizabeth "Lizzie" born 7/10/1878 and Thomas Reid born abt 1878 Believed all were living in Unshingagh-Dunloy-Antrim Elizabeth married George Lamont abt 1898 Any help will be appreciated. Happy New Year to All. Barry Hornell New Zealand -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.8 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1894 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Sharon I think your first task is to find the correct spelling of Elizabeth Bowles name. You can ask the Belfast Newspaper Library, if they have an notice for her around 1897. Secondly, you can check the 1901 Census for Belfast. If you do not live in Belfast these two tasks may be a little tricky, but I am sure that others on the list can help you with how to get access to both. Mike Boyd Brisbane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Birth in Belfast > Hi list members, > > I have hit a brick wall and was wondering if anyone might be able to > help. I will explain as best as I can, but without much information, I > might not find any help. My Grandmother was Elizabeth Bowles?? Spelling > of last name is uncertain, but she was born about 1897, and her father was > Robert Bowles and mother was either Costley or Costello first name > unknown. All the information that I know is that Robert had a shoe repair > business for a time before leaving for Manchester England. Sorry to say I > cant get exact spellings of last names as my Uncle cant read or write so > any record would be a guess with him being informant. There were 4 other > childern to Robert and his wife, a Nellie, Bella, Johnny, and Robert. I > just dont know where to find anything to help me. I am hoping maybe > someone on the list might find something to help me. I'm totally out of > ideas. Really sorry not much to go on here. If anyone has Ideas to help, > let me know. > > Happy New Year to all > > Sharon

Hi Sharon I have found a possible marriage Entry Details Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 2 Jun 1893 Groom Name Robert L BOAL Bride Name ellen jane COSTLEY Church Belfast Civil Registrars Office Parish Shankill Civil District Belfast County Antrim I was able to find this on Emerald Ancestors http://www.emeraldancestors.com Also a few web sites you could try. Some you might know. http://www.familysearch.org http://www.groni.gov.uk/ For Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates http://www.proni.gov.uk/ Public Records Office for Northern Ireland http://www.rootschat.com A family history forum website with lots of helpful people Hope this helps John -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sharon Smith" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:24 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Birth in Belfast > If I had more to go on I would have mentioned it, as I wrote in first message to begin with pretty much that was all I had. As for th siblings I dont know anything about them other then names. You shouldnt talk to people like they are stupid either, if you read what I wrote, you should have understood my problem with my Uncle not being able to read and write. If this list has people that sarcastic, please remove me from the list. > > Thank You > Sorry members I didnt mean to pose a problem > > Sharon > > Bettye Heinrich <[email protected]> wrote: > Sharon needs to post what info she has on the Bowles family. Does she > know if the children of Robert Bowles were born in Co Antrim or after he > moved to Manchester, England. Does she know the names of the spouses of > Elizabeth's siblings. It appears from her last posting that Elizabeth > married in Ireland and resided there. > > People need to use WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE when they post a query > seeking help. I enjoy trying to help other researchers but I don't like > getting information 'piece meal'. That is like pulling teeth. > > Regards, Bettye > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Sharon, I found this index entry pre 1898 Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 18 Jul 1892 Groom Name Robert BOLES Bride Name Jennie Elizabeth STUART Church Augher Methodist Church Parish Clogher County Tyrone It is not a Costello bride . Also the name Robert is generally very rare in Bowles families and I can find only 2 in 1864 Bowles Robert Knockmanoul Magheracross Fermanagh Bowles Robert Ballydoolagh Magheracross Fermanagh What you really need is a GRONi search to locate the correct marriage certificate. best regards Robert www.ulsterancestry.com > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:05:50 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Birth in Belfast > > Well from what my Uncle had mentioned was that Robert Bowles and his brother came from Germany, and were Iron Horse Dealers, then opened shop as boot makers. But not knowing the spellings of the last names makes it almost impossible to find anything. I do know Elizabeth Bowles? married John "Jack" Fullerton maybe around 1932 or slightly before that and they lived in Dungannon. I guess I will have to try pry more information out of my Uncle. This is so tough to try to research at a distance with no Census available to search through. Thanks for trying. I appreciate it> . > > Sharon > > > David Bartley wrote: > Sharon, > > One place to search is the Belfast Street Dirrectory: > > http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1880ab.htm > > In the 1901 Dirrectory are listed: > > Costello, Mrs., 85 Wellington Park > Costello, Robert, box maker, 9 Brook Street (No. 2) > Costello, Shirley, horse dealer, 16 Dunvegan Street > > I know there was a James Boal shoemaker. > > David > > > > On Dec 29, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Sharon Smith wrote: > >> Hi list members, >> >> I have hit a brick wall and was wondering if anyone might be >> able to help. I will explain as best as I can, but without much >> information, I might not find any help. My Grandmother was >> Elizabeth Bowles?? Spelling of last name is uncertain, but she was >> born about 1897, and her father was Robert Bowles and mother was >> either Costley or Costello first name unknown. All the information >> that I know is that Robert had a shoe repair business for a time >> before leaving for Manchester England. Sorry to say I cant get >> exact spellings of last names as my Uncle cant read or write so any >> record would be a guess with him being informant. There were 4 >> other childern to Robert and his wife, a Nellie, Bella, Johnny, and >> Robert. I just dont know where to find anything to help me. I am >> hoping maybe someone on the list might find something to help me. >> I'm totally out of ideas. Really sorry not much to go on here. If >> anyone has Ideas to help, let me know. >> >> Happy New Year to all >> >> Sharon >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get a bird’s eye view of the world with Multimap http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/115454059/direct/01/

I think these could belong to you ?as you gave no dates WRIGHT, William Crawford Bir 1870 Irel Antr Fa: James WRIGHT Mo: Hannah CRAWFORD WRIGHT, Amy Bir 1871 Irel Antr Fa: James WRIGHT Mo: Hannah CRAWFORD WRIGHT, James Cox Bir 1872 Irel Antr Fa: James WRIGHT Mo: Hannah CRAWFORD WRIGHT, Milford Bir 1875 Irel Antr Fa: James WRIGHT Mo: Hannah CRAWFORD Audrey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alice Sent: 29 December 2008 17:53 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-ANTRIM] Wright surname - Portglenone Parish, County Antrim Hello Listers: Is anyone on the list researching the Wright surname? I am interested in a Robert (Bob) Crawford WRIGHT, Portglenone, County Antrim, born c1907 in New York. Any help in this regard will be very much appreciated Thanks for your time. Alice Cochrane Interests in County Antrim: Crawford, Cochran, Gamble, Stewart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1867 - Release Date: 28/12/2008 14:23

Hi Sharon, Another way you might find what your are looking for is to check the following website for other possible spellings of the surname you are researching: http://www.namethesaurus.com/Thesaurus/Search.aspx Once you have the year of birth, you might want to try check the Civil Registration Index of Births of Ireland, for that particular year. They can be found at your local LDS (Latter-Day-Saints) Family History Center. Then go through the year you have, looking for various spellings you have, which are listed in Belfast. You may also have to check the years before and after what you have. Sometimes the births were not recorded immediately, so depending on the time of year of birth, the birth could have been recorded the following year. If you locate what you are looking for, then you can get a copy of the record you found. Just write down the vol. and page number, along with the District of Belfast. A copy of the certificate will give you the names of the parents, along with the area/townland where the parents lived. Hope this is of some help. Mary Elizabeth RESEARCHING: McKIERNAN/McKERNAN in Co. Antrim; and in Co. Leitrim; McALLISTER in Co. Antrim; MULDOWNEY in Co. Kilkenny; KEARNEY in Co. Louth --- Sharon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > Wow John Thank you!!!! I have bets that might be > the right one !! My uncle is 80 years old and he > couldnt remember Robert's wife's name, but he said > he knew it at one time. When I talk to him Sunday I > will mention that name, and hopefully it will ring a > bell to him. I thank you so much, at least its > worth a shot. Thank you everyone for bearing with > me on this, I do understand it wasnt much to go on, > but sometimes very little others help and it turns > into alot. Thanks again and I will try those sites > aswell!!!!! Awesome guys !!!! > > Sharon > > John Waugh <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sharon > > I have found a possible marriage > > Entry Details > Record Type Civil Marriage > Date of Marriage 2 Jun 1893 > Groom Name Robert L BOAL > Bride Name ellen jane COSTLEY > Church Belfast Civil Registrars Office > Parish Shankill > Civil District Belfast > County Antrim > > I was able to find this on Emerald Ancestors > http://www.emeraldancestors.com > > Also a few web sites you could try. Some you might > know. > http://www.familysearch.org > http://www.groni.gov.uk/ For Birth, Marriage and > Death Certificates > http://www.proni.gov.uk/ Public Records Office for > Northern Ireland > http://www.rootschat.com A family history forum > website with lots of helpful people > > Hope this helps > John > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Sharon Smith" > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:24 PM > To: > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Birth in Belfast > > > If I had more to go on I would have mentioned it, > as I wrote in first message to begin with pretty > much that was all I had. As for th siblings I dont > know anything about them other then names. You > shouldnt talk to people like they are stupid either, > if you read what I wrote, you should have understood > my problem with my Uncle not being able to read and > write. If this list has people that sarcastic, > please remove me from the list. > > > > Thank You > > Sorry members I didnt mean to pose a problem > > > > Sharon > > > > Bettye Heinrich wrote: > > Sharon needs to post what info she has on the > Bowles family. Does she > > know if the children of Robert Bowles were born in > Co Antrim or after he > > moved to Manchester, England. Does she know the > names of the spouses of > > Elizabeth's siblings. It appears from her last > posting that Elizabeth > > married in Ireland and resided there. > > > > People need to use WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE when > they post a query > > seeking help. I enjoy trying to help other > researchers but I don't like > > getting information 'piece meal'. That is like > pulling teeth. > > > > Regards, Bettye > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Agreed; the problem with e-mail! Also, there's an enormous variety of experience amongst the users of this list. i'd guess the most experienced here would have trouble if she were suddenly to need info from a particular county in England. Given the energy, the most experienced here are able to help those unfamiliar with the problems of Irish genealogy. No need to leave the list, Sharon. David On Dec 29, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Anne Klintworth wrote: > Sorry, but I agree. This list is supposed to be about help - it is > like a conversation with a friend. You might consider that before > you post such replies. > > Not everyone spends their life posting to a list and has all the > "procedures" down pat. Might be good to think before you post. The > difference between a conversation in person and a conversation on a > list is there is no way to read the nuances. What you post can > sound nice or not, and still be the same words. > > Anne Klintworth > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Sharon Smith <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:24:15 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Birth in Belfast > > If I had more to go on I would have mentioned it, as I wrote in > first message to begin with pretty much that was all I had. As for > th siblings I dont know anything about them other then names. You > shouldnt talk to people like they are stupid either, if you read > what I wrote, you should have understood my problem with my Uncle > not being able to read and write. If this list has people that > sarcastic, please remove me from the list. > > Thank You > Sorry members I didnt mean to pose a problem > > Sharon > > Bettye Heinrich <[email protected]> wrote: > Sharon needs to post what info she has on the Bowles family. Does > she > know if the children of Robert Bowles were born in Co Antrim or > after he > moved to Manchester, England. Does she know the names of the spouses > of > Elizabeth's siblings. It appears from her last posting that Elizabeth > married in Ireland and resided there. > > People need to use WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE when they post a query > seeking help. I enjoy trying to help other researchers but I don't > like > getting information 'piece meal'. That is like pulling teeth. > > Regards, Bettye > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Sharon, One place to search is the Belfast Street Dirrectory: http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/alphanames1880ab.htm In the 1901 Dirrectory are listed: Costello, Mrs., 85 Wellington Park Costello, Robert, box maker, 9 Brook Street (No. 2) Costello, Shirley, horse dealer, 16 Dunvegan Street I know there was a James Boal shoemaker. David On Dec 29, 2008, at 4:21 PM, Sharon Smith wrote: > Hi list members, > > I have hit a brick wall and was wondering if anyone might be > able to help. I will explain as best as I can, but without much > information, I might not find any help. My Grandmother was > Elizabeth Bowles?? Spelling of last name is uncertain, but she was > born about 1897, and her father was Robert Bowles and mother was > either Costley or Costello first name unknown. All the information > that I know is that Robert had a shoe repair business for a time > before leaving for Manchester England. Sorry to say I cant get > exact spellings of last names as my Uncle cant read or write so any > record would be a guess with him being informant. There were 4 > other childern to Robert and his wife, a Nellie, Bella, Johnny, and > Robert. I just dont know where to find anything to help me. I am > hoping maybe someone on the list might find something to help me. > I'm totally out of ideas. Really sorry not much to go on here. If > anyone has Ideas to help, let me know. > > Happy New Year to all > > Sharon > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Wow John Thank you!!!! I have bets that might be the right one !! My uncle is 80 years old and he couldnt remember Robert's wife's name, but he said he knew it at one time. When I talk to him Sunday I will mention that name, and hopefully it will ring a bell to him. I thank you so much, at least its worth a shot. Thank you everyone for bearing with me on this, I do understand it wasnt much to go on, but sometimes very little others help and it turns into alot. Thanks again and I will try those sites aswell!!!!! Awesome guys !!!! Sharon John Waugh <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Sharon I have found a possible marriage Entry Details Record Type Civil Marriage Date of Marriage 2 Jun 1893 Groom Name Robert L BOAL Bride Name ellen jane COSTLEY Church Belfast Civil Registrars Office Parish Shankill Civil District Belfast County Antrim I was able to find this on Emerald Ancestors http://www.emeraldancestors.com Also a few web sites you could try. Some you might know. http://www.familysearch.org http://www.groni.gov.uk/ For Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates http://www.proni.gov.uk/ Public Records Office for Northern Ireland http://www.rootschat.com A family history forum website with lots of helpful people Hope this helps John -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sharon Smith" Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:24 PM To: Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Birth in Belfast > If I had more to go on I would have mentioned it, as I wrote in first message to begin with pretty much that was all I had. As for th siblings I dont know anything about them other then names. You shouldnt talk to people like they are stupid either, if you read what I wrote, you should have understood my problem with my Uncle not being able to read and write. If this list has people that sarcastic, please remove me from the list. > > Thank You > Sorry members I didnt mean to pose a problem > > Sharon > > Bettye Heinrich wrote: > Sharon needs to post what info she has on the Bowles family. Does she > know if the children of Robert Bowles were born in Co Antrim or after he > moved to Manchester, England. Does she know the names of the spouses of > Elizabeth's siblings. It appears from her last posting that Elizabeth > married in Ireland and resided there. > > People need to use WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE when they post a query > seeking help. I enjoy trying to help other researchers but I don't like > getting information 'piece meal'. That is like pulling teeth. > > Regards, Bettye > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, but I agree.  This list is supposed to be about help - it is like a conversation with a friend.  You might consider that before you post such replies. Not everyone spends their life posting to a list and has all the "procedures" down pat.  Might be good to think before you post.  The difference between a conversation in person and a conversation on a list is there is no way to read the nuances.  What you post can sound nice or not, and still be the same words. Anne Klintworth ----- Original Message ---- From: Sharon Smith <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:24:15 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-ANTRIM] Birth in Belfast If I had more to go on I would have mentioned it, as I wrote in first message to begin with pretty much that was all I had.  As for th siblings I dont know anything about them other then names.  You shouldnt talk to people like they are stupid either, if you read what I wrote, you should have understood my problem with my Uncle not being able to read and write.  If this list has people that sarcastic, please remove me from the list.     Thank You   Sorry members I didnt mean to pose a problem     Sharon Bettye Heinrich <[email protected]> wrote:   Sharon needs to post what info she has on the Bowles family. Does she know if the children of Robert Bowles were born in Co Antrim or after he moved to Manchester, England. Does she know the names of the spouses of Elizabeth's siblings. It appears from her last posting that Elizabeth married in Ireland and resided there. People need to use WHO WHAT WHEN and WHERE when they post a query seeking help. I enjoy trying to help other researchers but I don't like getting information 'piece meal'. That is like pulling teeth. Regards, Bettye ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message