Kathleen, St. Vincent's Home data can be found on a Google search. I lived in Brooklyn (born in Red Hook) from 1823 to 1886. All the policemen on NYPD were "Irish" ncluding my uncle, Thomas Francis Walsh. I suggest you obtain a map of Brooklyn (address below). The NY State location is Bolton Landing on Lake George ( spent many summers there with my wife and children). 89th Street is in the Bay Ridge Section of Brooklyn. Fort Hamilton Avenue is now Fort Hamilton Parkway. Vince Hagstrom Map Company, Inc. 46-35 54th Road Maspeth, NY 11378 718 784 0055 To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] O'Donnell , Creen, Kerner, Miner, Harriagan > Greetings, > > In case I haven't introduced myself as I joined a couple new list due to encouagement and help my name is Kathleen O'Donnell Grone and I live in the beautiful Black Hills of SD. I am trying to learn a LOT more about my family-- Thank you in advance for any help and if I can be of assistance, please ask. > > My father was raised in St. Vincent's orphanage, along with two of his brothers. My Dad entered the orphanage at the age of 7 when his mother died. His father was a NY policeman at the time and felt he couldn't handle 6 children. The girls and youngest son went to live with family and/or friends. He left the orpanage when he was 16, entering the Air Force. His name is Edwin Allen "Allen" O'Donnell. His brothers Eugene and Kenny also lived at St. Vincents. Kenny spent much of his time in the hospital. In the service my Dad got the nickname "OD". He was in the AF for 20 years, then taught college for 25 years. > > I want to learn more about the orphanage, how my father grew up, see if there were census records, other records on my Dad. My Dad was born in 1931 in Brooklyn. > > One of the things my Dad loved was the movies- ""I must admit that when I was a boy, and a young man, I was a true movie "buff"... every weekend when I had a few nickels and the time, > I was in the local movie house! It was called the Boro Hall Theater; in the Borough Hall section of Brooklyn, New York. And my heroes ---- Jimmy Cagney, Bette Davis, > Spencer Tracy, Lana Turner, and on and on and on. The great movies > were the one's that had Cagney as the good guy, and Bogart as the bad guy!" Do any of you know where I could find a picture of the theatre?? I am not sure I spelled it right. > > My grandfather Lester A. O'D was born in the Flatbush section of Brooklyn, but I don't know which street. Sometime after he retired from the NYPD he moved to Yonkers. He also worked for Lake George Camping Company, Dolton Landing. Do you know where that is? I know he had a home in the Catskills as well, more of a cabin with no running water or electricity. > > I know my great grandfather, James J. was born on Presidents Street. Do you know which part of Brooklyn that is in? His first wife Mary Harriagan (my great grandmother died on "216 Hoyt Street, a tenement in Brooklyn") as a very young woman as well, four days after childbirth. James died on his way home from work. He and his second wife Charlotte lived at - 265 89th Street in Brooklyn. Charlotte was Isabell's mother. > > Mother and daughter married Father and son- This confused me for years when I was young. It was James and Charlotte second marriages. > > For a short while Lester and Isabell lived in Queens, as this is where my Dad's mother died, on Colfax Street. > > My great grand grandparents Michael and Mary Dineen O'Donnell lived on Whitehall Street according to his naturalization papers. I am told Whitehall is in Brooklyn?? > > I do have some pictures of the family if any on the list might be related or interested. According to family lore Michael and Mary came with family- brothers and sisters. Mary had 7 children and two lived. Some family said that some of the children died on the way over. This is confirmed by a census and I must admit it really surprised me to find it. > _______________________________________ > > The 1900 census, Brooklyn, Ward 29, Ft Hamilton Ave in NY has the following > entry: > Eli A. Kellem, 29 yrs old, born Sept 1870 in NJ, Father born in NJ, mother > born in SC, occupation-pipe fitter > Alice F., wife, 28 yrs old, born Dec 1871 in NY, father born in Ireland, > mother born in Ireland, married for 8 yrs, had 8 children with 3 living > Alice F., daughter, age 6, born Oct 1893 in NY > Albert J., son, age 3, born Nov 1896 in NY > Ethel M., daughter, age 1, born Oct 1898 > Mary E. O'Donnell, mother-in-law, age 58, born April 1842 in Ireland, father > born in Ireland, mother born in Ireland, widow, had 7 children with 2 living; > to the United States in 1863, in this county for 37 years. (These dates tie in perfectly with the ships records!) > > Irish to America, 1846-1865 (Thank you to Lindel!) > O'Donnell, Michael Age : 25 > O'Donnell, Mary Age : 23 > Country of Origin : Ireland > Date of Arrival : May 20, 1863 > Final Destination : USA > Port of Debarkation : New York > Ship's Name : Bridgewater > Manifest ID Number : 901923 > Port of Embarkation : Liverpool > Purpose for Travel : Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA > Mode of Travel : Steerage > > Descendants of Michael O'Donnell > > 1 Michael O'DONNELL b: Abt. 1837 in Inishkeel Parish, County Donegal, Ireland d: in New York > .. +Mary E. DINEEN b: April 1842 in Limerick, Ireland d: Aft. 1910 in New York m: in Donegal, Ireland -- (I am not sure if she was born in Limerick. There are a few Dineens near where Michael lived. ) > ... 2 Alice Faye O'DONNELL b: December 1871 in County Donegal, Ireland d: in New York (Her father-in-law signed Michael O'D's naturalization papers). > ....... +Eli A. KILLEM b: 1870 > ......... 3 Alice KELLEM > ......... 3 Albert KELLEM > ......... 3 Ethel KELLEM > ... 2 James J. O'DONNELL b: July 17, 1880 in President Street, New York City, New York d: December 8, 1931 in Brooklyn, New York > ....... +Mary HARRIGAN b: 1881 in Brooklyn, New York d: January 28, 1914 in Brooklyn, New York m: Abt. 1900 in New York (Father John, they lived near the O'D's). > ......... 3 Edwin O'DONNELL b: 1905 in New York d: in New York > ............. +LOUISE > ......... 3 Lester Aloyisius O'DONNELL b: August 30, 1908 in Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York d: March 2, 1992 in Yonkers, New York > ............. +Isabell M. CREEN b: October 5, 1905 in Brooklyn, New York d: October 1, 1938 in Queens County, New York m: 1923 in Brooklyn, New York > ......... *2nd Wife of Lester Aloyisius O'Donnell: > ............. +Dorothy Mary SCHULTZ b: May 3, 1918 in New York City, New York m: March 18, 1940 in New York City, New York > ......... 3 James George O'DONNELL b: February 8, 1909 in Brooklyn, New York d: in New York > ............. +Isabelle CARBERRY b: November 25, 1907 in Helensburgh, Scotland d: February 1989 in Brooklyn, New York > ......... 3 Leroy O'DONNELL b: January 23, 1914 in New York d: Aft. 1984 in New York > ... *2nd Wife of James J. O'Donnell: > ....... +Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER b: November 27, 1886 in Brooklyn, New York d: March 13, 1959 in New York m: 1923 in New York > ......... 3 Charlotte Louise O'DONNELL b: January 20, 1927 > ............. +VASSALLO > ......... 3 Albert O'DONNELL b: 1929 > ......... 3 John "Jack" O'DONNELL b: 1931 > > Descendants of Rufus Joseph Creen-- I would also like to find out anything about the extremely elusive Rufus-- on some census it is spelled Ruffus. Rufus' father was John Creen and his mother Annie Miner. The lived in Manhatten in 1904 census. Rufus was married to Charlotte at the time. Rufus was known as a "philanthropist, a real rogue" and Charlotte dispite her Catholic faith divorced him. He sometimes went by Joseph instead of Rufus. I hope to find where in Ireland he came from. > > 1 Rufus Joseph CREEN b: Abt. 1880 in New York City, New York d: Abt. 1940 in New York > .. +Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER b: November 27, 1886 in Brooklyn, New York d: March 13, 1959 in New York m: October 26, 1904 in New York > ... 2 Jessica CREEN b: 1911 > ... 2 Joseph CREEN > ... 2 Isabell M. CREEN b: October 5, 1905 in Brooklyn, New York d: October 1, 1938 in Catskills, New York > ....... +Lester Aloyisius O'DONNELL b: August 30, 1908 in Flatbush, Brooklyn, New York d: March 2, 1992 in Yonkers, New York m: 1923 in Brooklyn, New York > ... 2 Rufus Joseph CREEN, Jr. b: December 15, 1908 in New York d: January 1985 in Riverhead, New York > ....... +Eleanor A. m: October 2, 1910 > > Descendants of Frederick Kerner > > 1 Frederick KERNER b: 1822 in Germany > .. +SOPHIE b: 1823 in Germany > ... 2 Johan KERNER b: 1854 > ... 2 Friedrick KERNER b: 1856 > ... 2 Paul KERNER b: 1858 > ... 2 Emilie KERNER b: 1860 > ... 2 Philipp KERNER b: June 15, 1861 in Germany d: in New York > ....... +Jennie JAMES b: November 8, 1861 in Glascow, Scotland d: Aft. 1940 in New York m: 1880 in Frankfurt, Germany or NY > ......... 3 May KERNER > ......... 3 Jessica May KERNER > ............. +John J. ROLSTON > ......... 3 Charlotte "Lottie" KERNER b: November 27, 1886 in Brooklyn, New York d: March 13, 1959 in New York > ............. +Rufus Joseph CREEN b: Abt. 1880 in New York City, New York (no proof of this- some think he was born in Ireland) d: Abt. 1940 in New York m: October 26, 1904 in New York > ......... *2nd Husband of Charlotte "Lottie" Kerner: > ............. +James J. O'DONNELL b: July 17, 1880 in President Street, New York City, New York d: December 8, 1931 in Brooklyn, New York m: 1923 in New York > ... 2 Alois KERNER b: 1866 > ... 2 Barbara KERNER b: 1871 > ... 2 Anna KERNER b: 1874 > > I know the Kerners owned a bakery and a pub. Not sure where though. A distant cousin said he recalls a picture of the pub. > > Thank you for your help. Kathleen Grone > > > > > For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. 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