I am beginning to think, according to the maps that when my Uncle mentioned family living in Hell's Kitchen, he must have meant the Five Points area instead. Anyway, I did find the family who lived on Elm, although it wasn't the Kerners who I thought. It is today (thanks to wonderful researchers) LaFayette Street, very near the Five Points. From the looks of things I think I would feel better if they lived near Hell's Kitchen. Here is some info I found. Thank you! Kathleen O'Donnell Grone The Five Points Site http://r2.gsa.gov/fivept/fphome.htm Archaeologists and historians rediscover a famous nineteenth-century New York neighborhood-The worst slum in the city stood at the intersection of Park, Worth, and Baxter Streets.http://www.picturehistory.com/find/p/1958/mcms.html http://r2.gsa.gov/fivept/wifp.htm http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/html/3100/retro.html (has a picture of police)It looks as if Five Points was near Brooklyn or is just the map that makes it look that way? LaFayette is in South Brooklyn? Looks that way on the map- It seems to be in Lower Manhatten? History's Mysteries: Five Point Gangs The Five Points is to Organized Crime what Plymouth Rock is to America. From the worst slum in New York City springs a steady stream of Irish thugs, Jewish racketeers and Italian hit men who would make organized crime a permanent part of the American scene. The new influx of Italian families in the early 1900s breeds what becomes the most dominant group in American crime. Paul Kelly, aka Paolo Antonio Vacarelli, forms a mixed ethnic gang called "The Five Pointers." From this gang, and its farm team, "The Five Points Juniors," come some of the most infamous names in American crime - Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel. Gang influence recedes during World War I, but Prohibition inadvertently brings their power back to new heights. Lucky Luciano puts "The Five Pointers" in the bootlegging business and consolidates mob power by wiping out his enemies. He reinvents American organized crime into the Mafia that we know today. Prohibition's repeal ends the reign ! of the rum-runners, and Italian gangs move their headquarters to Brooklyn. Atop the old Five Points now rests a federal court building, an ironic and perhaps fitting tribute to this single corner that gave birth to the American gangster. Premiere: March 13th, 2005 Five Points The 19th-Century New York City Neighborhood That Invented Tap Dance, Stole Elections, and Became the World's Most Notorious Slum by Tyler Anbinder 0-452-28361-2 Paperback, $16.00 Plume, Sept. 2002 New York State http://urbanography.com/5_points/http://urbanography.com/5_points/5p3.html- This site list Newspaper police reports and lists a lot of names, advertisements, article -- amazing what went on! For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out!

Kathleen, There is a Lafayette Street in both Brooklyn and in Manhattan. Brooklyn was a city until incorporated into NYC. Now, NYC consisted of Kings County (Borough of Brooklyn), The (and don't forget to use the "The") Bronx (Bronx County) Borough of Queens ( Queens County), Staten Island (Richmond County) Borough of Manhattan (New York County.) Each county is also a borough. Vince P.S. Brooklyn is separated from Manhattan by the East River and connected thereto by the Brooklyn Bridge and the Manhattan Bridge. From: "Kathleen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Five Points Info and Questions > > I am beginning to think, according to the maps that when my Uncle mentioned family living in Hell's Kitchen, he must have meant the Five Points area instead. Anyway, I did find the family who lived on Elm, although it wasn't the Kerners who I thought. It is today (thanks to wonderful researchers) LaFayette Street, very near the Five Points. From the looks of things I think I would feel better if they lived near Hell's Kitchen. Here is some info I found. > > Thank you! Kathleen O'Donnell Grone > > The Five Points Site http://r2.gsa.gov/fivept/fphome.htm > Archaeologists and historians rediscover a famous nineteenth-century New York neighborhood-The worst slum in the city stood at the intersection of Park, Worth, and Baxter Streets.http://www.picturehistory.com/find/p/1958/mcms.html > http://r2.gsa.gov/fivept/wifp.htm > http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/html/3100/retro.html (has a picture of police)It looks as if Five Points was near Brooklyn or is just the map that makes it look that way? LaFayette is in South Brooklyn? Looks that way on the map- It seems to be in Lower Manhatten? > History's Mysteries: Five Point Gangs > The Five Points is to Organized Crime what Plymouth Rock is to America. From the worst slum in New York City springs a steady stream of Irish thugs, Jewish racketeers and Italian hit men who would make organized crime a permanent part of the American scene. The new influx of Italian families in the early 1900s breeds what becomes the most dominant group in American crime. Paul Kelly, aka Paolo Antonio Vacarelli, forms a mixed ethnic gang called "The Five Pointers." From this gang, and its farm team, "The Five Points Juniors," come some of the most infamous names in American crime - Al Capone, Lucky Luciano, Meyer Lansky and Bugsy Siegel. Gang influence recedes during World War I, but Prohibition inadvertently brings their power back to new heights. Lucky Luciano puts "The Five Pointers" in the bootlegging business and consolidates mob power by wiping out his enemies. He reinvents American organized crime into the Mafia that we know today. Prohibition's repeal ends the reign ! > of the > rum-runners, and Italian gangs move their headquarters to Brooklyn. Atop the old Five Points now rests a federal court building, an ironic and perhaps fitting tribute to this single corner that gave birth to the American gangster. > Premiere: March 13th, 2005 > Five Points > The 19th-Century New York City Neighborhood That Invented Tap Dance, > Stole Elections, and Became the World's Most Notorious Slum > by Tyler Anbinder 0-452-28361-2 Paperback, $16.00 Plume, Sept. 2002 New York State > > http://urbanography.com/5_points/http://urbanography.com/5_points/5p3.html- This site list Newspaper police reports and lists a lot of names, advertisements, article -- amazing what went on! > > > For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 > > > > > --------------------------------- > Discover Yahoo! > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To unsub, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) to either: > [email protected] (List Version) > [email protected] (Digest Version) > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >