My Kerner family lived on Elm Street. I am told this was near "Hell's Kitchen". Where exactly is "Hell's Kitchen"? My Michael and Mary Dineen O'Donnell's lived at 37 Whitehall for a time (1860's-1870's) - this was listed on the Naturalization paper. Later they moved to Hamilton Ave. 1900 Census has them at - Ward 29, Ft Hamilton Ave in NY I have Rufus Creen, father of Isabell M. Creen O'Donnell renting at 65 Green Street Brooklyn. Charlotte hadn't divorced him yet. 1910 Census There is an Elm Ave and an Elm Place in Brooklyn, do not see an Elm Place in Manhattan but that does mean it was not there is 1860ish. I believe Hell's Kitchen is Manhattan - west side up around 59th St. Try googling it and you may get a better perspective. I just have Elm St.? At the following site you can get a glimpse of a house on Elm circa 1880 and an old map. Click here: sgreenfield Elm Avenue is close to Brooklyn College which is near Flatbush. Elm Place is in downtown Brooklyn. If you have any other information about this address, I could help you place it more closely. The only Whitehall I know is in lower Manhattan near Battery Park and Staten Island Ferry. The recruiting station 1876 my Mulvey's lived at 89 Hamilton Avenue. (6th Ward) James J. O'D lived on Hoyt Street. I was told this was a horrible area as well - tenement housing. His first wife, Mary Harrigan O'D - died there (my great grandmother). Later in life he moved to 265 89th Street in Brooklyn. He was born on Presidents Street. It was not a great area, very poor, very Irish. I would say that 89th St was quite a step up. My father was born at 106 President St in 1903. and later 17 Hausman Street, Brooklyn, NY What kind of Neighborhood was Flatbush? My grandfather Lester was born there. Was President St in Flatbush? President Street is Red Hook. Is this in Brooklyn? What time frame are you talking about for Flatbush. My folks came to Flatbush from Ireland in 1860. And I lived there until 1970 s0 I know a lot about Flatbush. Do you know where in Flatbush the family lived. On his Soc Sec application he put Flatbush, Brooklyn, NY. His wife Isabell Creen lists 59th Street as one of their addresses Thank you for your time and trouble! Kathleen For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Tracy's Irish New York city website, fantastic information! Here's the link to Neighborhoods Pt. 2, Hell's Kitchen just over half way down the page but all of it is an excellent read and very informative http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com/catalog.html Yvonne Happy reading Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:21 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Re: [Bklyn] Hell's Kitchen?? > > My Kerner family lived on Elm Street. I am told this was near "Hell's > Kitchen". Where exactly is "Hell's Kitchen"? My Michael and Mary Dineen > O'Donnell's lived at 37 Whitehall for a time (1860's-1870's) - this was > listed on the Naturalization paper. Later they moved to Hamilton Ave. > > 1900 Census has them at - Ward 29, Ft Hamilton Ave in NY > > I have Rufus Creen, father of Isabell M. Creen O'Donnell renting at 65 > Green Street Brooklyn. Charlotte hadn't divorced him yet. 1910 Census > There is an Elm Ave and an Elm Place in Brooklyn, do not see an Elm Place > in Manhattan but that does mean it was not there is 1860ish. I believe > Hell's Kitchen is Manhattan - west side up around 59th St. Try googling > it and you may get a better perspective. > I just have Elm St.? > At the following site you can get a glimpse of a house on Elm circa 1880 > and an old map. Click here: sgreenfield Elm Avenue is close to Brooklyn > College which is near Flatbush. > > Elm Place is in downtown Brooklyn. > > If you have any other information about this address, I could help you > place it more closely. > > The only Whitehall I know is in lower Manhattan near Battery Park and > Staten Island Ferry. The recruiting station > > 1876 my Mulvey's lived at 89 Hamilton Avenue. (6th Ward) > > > James J. O'D lived on Hoyt Street. I was told this was a horrible area as > well - tenement housing. His first wife, Mary Harrigan O'D - died there > (my great grandmother). Later in life he moved to 265 89th Street in > Brooklyn. He was born on Presidents Street. > It was not a great area, very poor, very Irish. I would say that 89th St > was quite a step up. My father was born at 106 President St in 1903. > > and later 17 Hausman Street, Brooklyn, NY > > > What kind of Neighborhood was Flatbush? My grandfather Lester was born > there. Was President St in Flatbush? President Street is Red Hook. Is > this in Brooklyn? > > What time frame are you talking about for Flatbush. My folks came to > Flatbush from Ireland in 1860. And I lived there until 1970 s0 I know a > lot about Flatbush. Do you know where in Flatbush the family lived. On > his Soc Sec application he put Flatbush, Brooklyn, NY. His wife Isabell > Creen lists 59th Street as one of their addresses > > Thank you for your time and trouble! Kathleen > > > > For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast > love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be > removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >