In a message dated 6/11/2005, [email protected] writes: Can anyone tell me if the old Irish of New York City ( pre-potato famine) lived on the Upper East side of Manhatthan? Where Harlem is now? And was it supposed to be a fashionable place to live in the 1850's? Hi Genie, Yes, there was a one time a large Irish and German population living in Harlem. The area was home to many moneyed families, and immigrants could find employment as domestic servants. There was one particular part of Harlem that was, and still is, quite exclusive. It's called Sugar Hill. We did a profile on Harlem during the Neighborhood series. You can read the history of the area at: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com/custom.html Take care, Tracy IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list admin http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com http://www.inyc.freeservers.com