Tracy, You are so right -- the writing on Hell's Kitchen and the Five Points in fascinating. My Dad is opening up a bit to about his childhood, stories of his father and Grandfather (mean ol' goat I must say!)-- The last story my Dad shared was in being in a gang- a group of the boys from the orphanage and according to my step-grandmother who lives in Yonkers it seems there was a death and trouble so my Dad left, went into the Air Force at 16. He used his brother Eugene's birth certificate so for his first stint (he spent 20 years in the AF)- he was Eugene instead of Allen. Thank you so much! Kathleen O'Donnell Grone For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.