Wendy, I live in South Dakota, in the Black Hills outside of Deadwood and their in NO resource center here so I rely heavly on the internet. I have tried getting things inter-library loan but it doesn't always work out. The nearest city of decent is Denver and it is about 6 hours away. But, thank you for the suggestion. Yes, please send the census for Michael and Mary. I know they had seven children with only two surviving. I was told this by family but then I saw it on a census for Mary who was living with her daughter Alice's family. I was told some children died on the voyage over from Ireland but I am not sure. James and Alice where the two that survived to adulthood and they were born in 1871 and 1880, after the children you mentioned. According to the ships records they came with no children or at least arrived with no children. Would it say on the ships records (below) if they traveled with children but the children died before arrival? I also found Whitehall St on a map, it is very near the Staten Island Ferry. I take it that is NYC Manhatten area. Do you know what kind of area it was? Or a knickname for the area? 37 Whitehall Street was where Michael and Mary lived when Michael got his Naturalization Papers in October 1868. His daughter Alice married Eli Kellem who lived at 37 Whitehall. Eli's father signed the Naturalization papers. I thought or was told Kellem was a German name but when I did a look-up there were a lot of Kellem's in Ireland. The 1900 census, Brooklyn, Ward 29, Ft Hamilton Ave in NY has the following entry: Eli A. Kellem, 29 yrs old, born Sept 1870 in NJ, Father born in NJ, mother born in SC, occupation-pipe fitter Alice F., wife, 28 yrs old, born Dec 1871 in NY, father born in Ireland, mother born in Ireland, married for 8 yrs, had 8 children with 3 living Alice F., daughter, age 6, born Oct 1893 in NY Albert J., son, age 3, born Nov 1896 in NY Ethel M., daughter, age 1, born Oct 1898 Mary E. (Dineen) O'Donnell, mother-in-law, age 58, born April 1842 in Ireland, father born in Ireland, mother born in Ireland, widow, had 7 children with 2 living; to the United States in 1863, in this county for 37 years. From what I have found out, Michael and Mary came from Mulnamin Beg, Inishkeel Parish, County Donegal. Irish to America, 1846-1865 O'Donnell, Michael Age : 25 O'Donnell, Mary Age : 23 Country of Origin : Ireland Date of Arrival : May 20, 1863 Final Destination : USA Port of Debarkation : New York Ship's Name : Bridgewater Manifest ID Number : 901923 Port of Embarkation : Liverpool Purpose for Travel : Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA Mode of Travel : Steerage I couldn't find any couple, named either Michael/Mary or James/Mary arriving in the US with any children :-( Lindel Thank you so much for your time and effort! Kathleen O'Donnell Grone >>>I can't help you with the marriage lookup, you need to go to the baptism records and marriage records and that is by going to the family resource center in your area and looking them up. You need to kind of know where they were born and married in. In 1870, there is a Michael and Mary who had children in New York. He was a shoemaker and the children were Kate, Thomas & William. Kate and Thomas were born in Ireland and William who was only 1 was born in New York. If these are the ones, I can send you the census image. If James was born in 1881, there is a possible social security for him on the death record and it would give you more information. Wendy Thank you so much! Kathleen For the mountains may depart and the hills be removed, but my steadfast love shall not depart from you, and my covenant of peace shall not be removed, says the LORD, who has compassion on you. Isaiah 54:10 --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online & more. Check it out!