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    1. RE: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Irish
    2. Keleher, Pat

    3. Frank, A google search (occupation cartman census)gives many examples Known children of WILLIAM BRYAN and MARTHA (unknown): 1. Rose Ann born about 1812 Ireland; died 31 Jan 1890 Geneva NY; married before 1845 in Ireland Abraham Thornton as his second wife; born about 1804; died 23 Mar 1869. They migrated to America arriving at New York City 2 Dec 1846 on ship ST. GEORGE with their family which included children from Abraham's prior marriage. Abraham is buried in Washington Street Cemetery, Geneva NY. +2. WILLIAM born about 1825 North Ireland; died between 29 July 1870 and 24 June 1875; his burial place is not known; married SARAH JANE WILSON born 11 May 1833 Scotland; died 8 May 1889; daughter of John Wilson and Sarah (unknown). It is not known if they married in Ireland or if William found romance soon after arriving in America. William worked as a laborer and one of his occupations was as a cartman delivering goods with a horse and cart. Sarah, commonly called Jane, is buried in Glenwood Cemetery, Geneva NY. Sarah left a will dated 23 Feb 1889 recorded in Ontario County, copy attached. By deed dated 10 Oct 1865, Lot 5 and 6 on the north side of Cortland Street, Geneva NY was purchased for $175. Liber 133; P 319. It is a bit mysterious as the deed was executed by only "Jane Bryan" and from the census of 1870, we know that William was still living no 2 extracted example Thomas H Parker Born: 1881 Spouse: Children: Occupation: 1901 Census shows that he was a Cartman for a Grocer. 1881 Census shows that he was 2 months of age, born in Allendale, Northumberland and living in High Stobb, Allendale, Northumberland. 1901 Census shows that he was 20 years of age, born in Allendale, Northumberland and living in Allendale, Northumberland. Regards Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Frank McCullough [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 22 March 2005 15:07 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Irish Hello List, Does anyone have a good definition of what exactly a "Cartman" was in the mid 1800s ? Thank You Frank ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== List Administrators: Tracy Cassidy [email protected] Jim McCarthy [email protected] ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

    03/22/2005 08:59:54
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Irish
    2. Frank McCullough

    3. I'm not so sure that a horse came into the equation. Frank > From: "Keleher, Pat" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:59:54 -0000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Irish > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:01:01 -0700 > > Frank, > A google search (occupation cartman census)gives many examples > > Known children of WILLIAM BRYAN and MARTHA (unknown): > 1. Rose Ann born about 1812 Ireland; died 31 Jan 1890 Geneva NY; married > before 1845 in Ireland Abraham Thornton as his second wife; born about 1804; > died 23 Mar 1869. They migrated to America arriving at New York City 2 Dec > 1846 on ship ST. GEORGE with their family which included children from > Abraham's prior marriage. Abraham is buried in Washington Street Cemetery, > Geneva NY. > +2. WILLIAM born about 1825 North Ireland; died between 29 July 1870 and 24 > June 1875; his burial place is not known; married SARAH JANE WILSON born 11 > May 1833 Scotland; died 8 May 1889; daughter of John Wilson and Sarah > (unknown). It is not known if they married in Ireland or if William found > romance soon after arriving in America. William worked as a laborer and one > of his occupations was as a cartman delivering goods with a horse and cart. > Sarah, commonly called Jane, is buried in Glenwood Cemetery, Geneva NY. > Sarah left a will dated 23 Feb 1889 recorded in Ontario County, copy > attached. By deed dated 10 Oct 1865, Lot 5 and 6 on the north side of > Cortland Street, Geneva NY was purchased for $175. Liber 133; P 319. It is a > bit mysterious as the deed was executed by only "Jane Bryan" and from the > census of 1870, we know that William was still living > > no 2 extracted example > Thomas H Parker > > Born: 1881 > Spouse: > Children: > > Occupation: 1901 Census shows that he was a Cartman for a Grocer. > 1881 Census shows that he was 2 months of age, born in Allendale, > Northumberland and living in High Stobb, Allendale, Northumberland. > 1901 Census shows that he was 20 years of age, born in Allendale, > Northumberland and living in Allendale, Northumberland. > > Regards Patrick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank McCullough [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 22 March 2005 15:07 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Irish > > Hello List, > > Does anyone have a good definition of what exactly a "Cartman" was in the > mid 1800s ? > > Thank You > > Frank > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy [email protected] > Jim McCarthy [email protected] > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To post a message to the Irish-New-York-City list, please send your email to: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

    03/22/2005 01:08:58
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Irish

    3. ROFL! I suppose its open to debate, but my GGF was a cartman with a team of horses. -----Original Message----- From: Frank McCullough <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:08:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Irish I'm not so sure that a horse came into the equation. Frank > From: "Keleher, Pat" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:59:54 -0000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Irish > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:01:01 -0700 > > Frank, > A google search (occupation cartman census)gives many examples > > Known children of WILLIAM BRYAN and MARTHA (unknown): > 1. Rose Ann born about 1812 Ireland; died 31 Jan 1890 Geneva NY; married > before 1845 in Ireland Abraham Thornton as his second wife; born about 1804; > died 23 Mar 1869. They migrated to America arriving at New York City 2 Dec > 1846 on ship ST. GEORGE with their family which included children from > Abraham's prior marriage. Abraham is buried in Washington Street Cemetery, > Geneva NY. > +2. WILLIAM born about 1825 North Ireland; died between 29 July 1870 and 24 > June 1875; his burial place is not known; married SARAH JANE WILSON born 11 > May 1833 Scotland; died 8 May 1889; daughter of John Wilson and Sarah > (unknown). It is not known if they married in Ireland or if William found > romance soon after arriving in America. William worked as a laborer and one > of his occupations was as a cartman delivering goods with a horse and cart. > Sarah, commonly called Jane, is buried in Glenwood Cemetery, Geneva NY. > Sarah left a will dated 23 Feb 1889 recorded in Ontario County, copy > attached. By deed dated 10 Oct 1865, Lot 5 and 6 on the north side of > Cortland Street, Geneva NY was purchased for $175. Liber 133; P 319. It is a > bit mysterious as the deed was executed by only "Jane Bryan" and from the > census of 1870, we know that William was still living > > no 2 extracted example > Thomas H Parker > > Born: 1881 > Spouse: > Children: > > Occupation: 1901 Census shows that he was a Cartman for a Grocer. > 1881 Census shows that he was 2 months of age, born in Allendale, > Northumberland and living in High Stobb, Allendale, Northumberland. > 1901 Census shows that he was 20 years of age, born in Allendale, > Northumberland and living in Allendale, Northumberland. > > Regards Patrick > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank McCullough [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 22 March 2005 15:07 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] NYC Irish > > Hello List, > > Does anyone have a good definition of what exactly a "Cartman" was in the > mid 1800s ? > > Thank You > > Frank > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy [email protected] > Jim McCarthy [email protected] > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To post a message to the Irish-New-York-City list, please send your email to: > [email protected] > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== List Administrators: Tracy Cassidy [email protected] Jim McCarthy [email protected] ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

    03/22/2005 04:38:47