Thanks for the info, Chuck, and everyone else who responded, especially Kathleen, with her very detailed reply. I think I need someone who has some of the data from the Presbyterian churches near where my grandparents lived in 1910. B ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Wright" <cww@Reese-Carney.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Lost Marriage > Regarding Thomas W. Gordon m. Manhattan 30 May 1908 Cert # 9845, his > spouse was Ann Mulroy. (You can get the bride's name from the brides > index using the certificate number and county)Not the Thomas Gordon you > seek, apparently. > > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:22 AM > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 86 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Lost marriage (Boyd Gray) > 2. Re: Lost marriage (JBurden@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:52:43 +0100 > From: "Boyd Gray" <boydgray26@utvinternet.com> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Lost marriage > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com> > Cc: Barbara <barb_braswell20@yahoo.com> > Message-ID: <00dc01c8043a$ca32cbc0$0e01a8c0@ie.irishbroadband.ie> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Listers, > > This is the first time I have stepped outside Ireland to try to do any > genealogy so please excuse any silly errors. > > I am looking for the marriage of my maternal grandparents. My > grandfather, Thomas Gordon, arrived in Ellis Island on 12th June 1905. > He said he was on his way to join a friend, William Carmichael, at 1748 > Blair Street, Philadelphia. However, he was living at 315 East 33rd > Street in Manhattan in the 1910 census and I have no reason to believe > he ever left New York to go to Philly. My grandmother, Margaret Anne > Bellingham, arrived in Ellis Island on 16th May 1908, on her way to stay > with her sister, Mrs M Peden at 64 W 98th Street, Manhattan. Thomas and > Margaret must have married sometime before the birth of their oldest > child, Adeline. Adeline's birth date is given as 21st April (year > unsure) by herself, she was described as aged 1 on her last birthday in > the 1910 census (which would make her born in April 1909) but her mother > gave her birthday as 21st September 1910 when she arrived yet again at > Ellis Island in 1913! One wonders why these people can not get things > rig! > ht! > > In theory, the marriage should have been recorded in Civil Marriages in > 1908 or maybe even 1909 or at a push 1910. These are NOT the sort of > folks to have children out of wedlock! A good friend in Colorado had a > search of these three years done by the New York City Department of > Records and Information Services Municipal Archives and they came back > with a zilcho result last week. The New York City Grooms Index does > show a Thomas W Gordon getting married in May 1908 but this must NOT > have been a Thomas Gordon marrying a Maggie Bellingham or the Archives > folks would have found it. My own mother was born on 20th January 1917 > and the address given was 517 East 85th Street, Manhattan. The family > only returned to Northern Ireland in 1920. Is it possible they did not > register the marriage? This would be common in Ireland in 1870 but by > 1908, almosy all marriages would be registered. If they did register > it, would there be any reason whatsoever for registering it anywhere o! > utside Manhattan? > > I am now wondering how I might go about searching church records in > Manhattan. These people were Presbyterian. Does anyone know what > Presbyterian churches might be near any of the Manhattan addresses given > above. And how might I organise a search of these? Here in Ulster, I > would either go to the Public Records Office in Belfast, or visit the > local church itself. I have become quite obsessed by finding this > record even though it will not tell me anything new about my > grandparents. But then again, I believe that the stories of my > ancestors are more important than collecting names and I want to know > the end of this story! > > If anyone needs any help researching Irish ancestors in Donegal or Derry > in Ulster, let me know. > > Regards, > > Boyd > > ------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message