I have just gotten several Manhattan birth certificates lately via the FHL photocopying service.(Thanks Mel!) What was a surprise is the added information or misinformation. It reinforces the idea that you need multiple records to come to a conclusion. This couple were married in 1902 in the Bronx. They fortunately have a Department of Health marriage record. I also have the three birth certificates of their daughters pre-1910. They have two later children with certificates but they are not public yet but I did get the certificate numbers from the index that runs through 1982. Name age in Feb 1902 Jan 1905 Jun 1907 Nov 1909 Owen 35 40 40 38 Mary 19 22 25 27 A few other things to notice. 1) Owen is listed as Eugene on the 1909 birth certificate. He is always listed as Owen in all other records. When he was baptized in 1862 he was listed as Eugenius which is the Latin for Owen. Owen and Eugene are the same name like John and Sean. 2) In 1905 I have three records for this family and they are not at the same address in ANY of them. In January 1905 on the birth certificate they lived at 600 West 46th Street (and baby was baptized at 329 West 42nd at Holy Cross). In the Jun 1905 NY State Census Owen is age 35(sic) Mary is 23 and they lived at 543 West 43rd Street. Sadly the baby died at age 10-months in November 1905 and they were living at 474 West 43rd Street. That makes finding the right parish and address very challenging. I heard this branch moved each year for a freshly painted apartment but wow! 3) The 1907 birth certificate provided that Owen was from County Tyrone and his wife was from County Limerick. This is the only time his records indicated where he was from. His sisters' records provided more but if one did not know of other immigrant siblings sometimes just getting a record from an American-born collateral who is not your ancestor may break the wall. 4) Be careful with the ages and then trying to find a baptismal record in Ireland. As seen above it can be a tricky proposition to find this guy since he was born from any of these circa 1867, 1865, 1870, 1867, 1871. He was born in March 1862 according to his baptismal certificate. Don't rigidly assume that the one record you have is absolutely correct. Check it against the census and other vital records from a more complete picture. 5) Pay attention to the number of previous children and number now living in all. The 1905 indicates that there was an older child(no birth certificate but have baptismal from 1903) and that it was still living in 1905. The 1907 indicates that there were two previous children(1903 and 1905) and now only two remain(1903 and 1907). The 1905 died. The 1909 indicated that there were three previous births (1903, 1905 and 1907) and now a total of three living(1903, 1907 and 1909). The birth records in the the 1880s asked what number child was this which is a different question so make sure you know which form they used to determine how many kids there were.

I have seen "Dionysus" used for the name "Dennis" as well! Kelly Gray Gray-Devlin-Griffin ---Manhattan > To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > From: kmct@earthlink.net > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:15:03 -0600 > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Birth Certificates and Surprise information > > I have just gotten several Manhattan birth certificates lately via > the FHL photocopying service.(Thanks Mel!) > > What was a surprise is the added information or misinformation. It > reinforces the idea that you need multiple records to come to a > conclusion. > > This couple were married in 1902 in the Bronx. They fortunately have > a Department of Health marriage record. I also have the three birth > certificates of their daughters pre-1910. They have two later > children with certificates but they are not public yet but I did get > the certificate numbers from the index that runs through 1982. > > Name age in Feb 1902 Jan 1905 Jun 1907 Nov 1909 > Owen 35 40 40 38 > Mary 19 22 25 27 > > A few other things to notice. > > 1) Owen is listed as Eugene on the 1909 birth certificate. He is > always listed as Owen in all other records. When he was baptized in > 1862 he was listed as Eugenius which is the Latin for Owen. Owen and > Eugene are the same name like John and Sean. > > 2) In 1905 I have three records for this family and they are not at > the same address in ANY of them. In January 1905 on the birth > certificate they lived at 600 West 46th Street (and baby was baptized > at 329 West 42nd at Holy Cross). In the Jun 1905 NY State Census Owen > is age 35(sic) Mary is 23 and they lived at 543 West 43rd Street. > Sadly the baby died at age 10-months in November 1905 and they were > living at 474 West 43rd Street. That makes finding the right parish > and address very challenging. I heard this branch moved each year for > a freshly painted apartment but wow! > > 3) The 1907 birth certificate provided that Owen was from County > Tyrone and his wife was from County Limerick. This is the only time > his records indicated where he was from. His sisters' records > provided more but if one did not know of other immigrant siblings > sometimes just getting a record from an American-born collateral who > is not your ancestor may break the wall. > > 4) Be careful with the ages and then trying to find a baptismal > record in Ireland. As seen above it can be a tricky proposition to > find this guy since he was born from any of these circa 1867, 1865, > 1870, 1867, 1871. He was born in March 1862 according to his > baptismal certificate. Don't rigidly assume that the one record you > have is absolutely correct. Check it against the census and other > vital records from a more complete picture. > > 5) Pay attention to the number of previous children and number now > living in all. The 1905 indicates that there was an older child(no > birth certificate but have baptismal from 1903) and that it was still > living in 1905. The 1907 indicates that there were two previous > children(1903 and 1905) and now only two remain(1903 and 1907). The > 1905 died. The 1909 indicated that there were three previous births > (1903, 1905 and 1907) and now a total of three living(1903, 1907 and > 1909). The birth records in the the 1880s asked what number child was > this which is a different question so make sure you know which form > they used to determine how many kids there were. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008