Your mention of females traveling alone and being detained could explain the many times I have viewed ship manifests from New York Harbor in which there was a "check" mark beside every female who appeared alone or without male companions. I never knew about their detention until mentioned on this list. Indeed it would be good to know how to access such lists. Anyone know WHERE they were detained? Location of records? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: <irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:18 AM Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Passenger Lists (Michelle and Kevin Cassidy) > 2. Re: Passenger Lists - Today? (Rootsmurphy@aol.com) > 3. Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 (Chuck Wright) > 4. Re: Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 (Michelle and Kevin Cassidy) > 5. Re: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 12 > (GwenM10100@aol.com) > 6. Re: Passenger Lists (Patricia Heffernan) > 7. Re: Passenger Lists (Patricia Heffernan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:11:02 -0600 > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <943753C8-A025-4C51-863D-8FA41FA586CD@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:37:54 EST > From: Rootsmurphy@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists - Today? > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bc1.24ccf8bd.34b3a152@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Sounds like a good idea...even today! > > --------------------------- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------------------ > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------- > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:16:06 -0500 > From: "Chuck Wright" <cww@Reese-Carney.com> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <DD0F22852CFAC141B2D8FDF7AC00742C06B32B@REESE-EXCHANGE.Reese-Carney.local> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am searching for any definitive information on one of my > gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I know she > was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her last > in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at > all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in Manhattan > in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her parents > were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her children, > I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably > died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of household. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:00:44 -0600 > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <825309E1-2FBC-49B3-9AB8-5F5A50215EB6@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > While the index online begins only in 1891, there were death records > before that. From Aug 1888-1895(FHL has this period on one roll of > film) forward is indexed in a typed book format. There were also card > indexes created. Check the Family History Library(FHL) out at > familysearch.org > > You can rent a film from them for $5.50 and perhaps find her death > there. > > Good luck. > > > On Jan 7, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Chuck Wright wrote: > >> I am searching for any definitive information on one of my >> gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I >> know she >> was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her >> last >> in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at >> all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in >> Manhattan >> in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her >> parents >> were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her >> children, >> I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably >> died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of >> household. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- >> YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:12:03 EST > From: GwenM10100@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 12 > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cd4.219bd0a5.34b419d3@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 1/7/2008 3:19:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com writes: > >> My point is that make sure you mention that you would like any written >> info >> >> if you do write to Ireland. >> >> When writing, if you have some concrete indication that the person you >> want > the certificate for really did have a connection to that particular > parish, not > just their names, then do include it. That would include members of the > family or close friends having had births or marriages there or the church > is next > door to their residence, or newspaper clippings of family events there. > Anything to indicate you are not just desperately "fishing" and making the > request > on a faint chance, it will be more likely to produce results that way. > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:00:34 -0500 > From: "Patricia Heffernan" <Patricia@Heffcomm.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00d901c851ab$053e8520$0700a8c0@HeffComm.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My husband's ggrandmother, Filomena (di Palma) Papaccio and her two > children > were detained in 1906, waiting for her husband to pick them up. The list > of > detained aliens appears at the end of the passenger list at Ancestry.com. > Most of the detained passengers are females and their children waiting for > male relatives to come for them. > Patricia > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New York > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle > and > Kevin Cassidy > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:11 AM > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:04:47 -0500 > From: "Patricia Heffernan" <Patricia@Heffcomm.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00da01c851ab$9be961c0$0700a8c0@HeffComm.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My grandmother, Tyra Fagerholm, was detained in 1913 at Ellis Island, but > she was met by her Aunt Mary Johnson, so I guess it didn't have to be a > male > relative by 1913. > > Patricia > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New York > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison > > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle > and > Kevin Cassidy > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:11 AM > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list administrator, send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY mailing list, send an email > to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > **************************************************

I think they were detained right at Ellis Island. The lists of detained passengers are at the end of the manifests. Some were detained for illness, some were apparently deported. Patricia -----Original Message----- From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Murphy Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:12 PM To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRISH-NYC] females alone Your mention of females traveling alone and being detained could explain the many times I have viewed ship manifests from New York Harbor in which there was a "check" mark beside every female who appeared alone or without male companions. I never knew about their detention until mentioned on this list. Indeed it would be good to know how to access such lists. Anyone know WHERE they were detained? Location of records? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: <irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:18 AM Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Passenger Lists (Michelle and Kevin Cassidy) > 2. Re: Passenger Lists - Today? (Rootsmurphy@aol.com) > 3. Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 (Chuck Wright) > 4. Re: Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 (Michelle and Kevin Cassidy) > 5. Re: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 12 > (GwenM10100@aol.com) > 6. Re: Passenger Lists (Patricia Heffernan) > 7. Re: Passenger Lists (Patricia Heffernan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:11:02 -0600 > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <943753C8-A025-4C51-863D-8FA41FA586CD@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:37:54 EST > From: Rootsmurphy@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists - Today? > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bc1.24ccf8bd.34b3a152@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Sounds like a good idea...even today! > > --------------------------- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------------------ > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------- > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:16:06 -0500 > From: "Chuck Wright" <cww@Reese-Carney.com> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <DD0F22852CFAC141B2D8FDF7AC00742C06B32B@REESE-EXCHANGE.Reese-Carney.local> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am searching for any definitive information on one of my > gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I know she > was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her last > in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at > all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in Manhattan > in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her parents > were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her children, > I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably > died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of household. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:00:44 -0600 > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <825309E1-2FBC-49B3-9AB8-5F5A50215EB6@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > While the index online begins only in 1891, there were death records > before that. From Aug 1888-1895(FHL has this period on one roll of > film) forward is indexed in a typed book format. There were also card > indexes created. Check the Family History Library(FHL) out at > familysearch.org > > You can rent a film from them for $5.50 and perhaps find her death > there. > > Good luck. > > > On Jan 7, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Chuck Wright wrote: > >> I am searching for any definitive information on one of my >> gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I >> know she >> was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her >> last >> in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at >> all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in >> Manhattan >> in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her >> parents >> were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her >> children, >> I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably >> died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of >> household. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- >> YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:12:03 EST > From: GwenM10100@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 12 > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cd4.219bd0a5.34b419d3@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 1/7/2008 3:19:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com writes: > >> My point is that make sure you mention that you would like any written >> info >> >> if you do write to Ireland. >> >> When writing, if you have some concrete indication that the person you >> want > the certificate for really did have a connection to that particular > parish, not > just their names, then do include it. That would include members of the > family or close friends having had births or marriages there or the church > is next > door to their residence, or newspaper clippings of family events there. > Anything to indicate you are not just desperately "fishing" and making the > request > on a faint chance, it will be more likely to produce results that way. > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:00:34 -0500 > From: "Patricia Heffernan" <Patricia@Heffcomm.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00d901c851ab$053e8520$0700a8c0@HeffComm.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My husband's ggrandmother, Filomena (di Palma) Papaccio and her two > children > were detained in 1906, waiting for her husband to pick them up. The list > of > detained aliens appears at the end of the passenger list at Ancestry.com. > Most of the detained passengers are females and their children waiting for > male relatives to come for them. > Patricia > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New York > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle > and > Kevin Cassidy > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:11 AM > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:04:47 -0500 > From: "Patricia Heffernan" <Patricia@Heffcomm.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00da01c851ab$9be961c0$0700a8c0@HeffComm.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My grandmother, Tyra Fagerholm, was detained in 1913 at Ellis Island, but > she was met by her Aunt Mary Johnson, so I guess it didn't have to be a > male > relative by 1913. > > Patricia > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New York > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison > > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle > and > Kevin Cassidy > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:11 AM > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list administrator, send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY mailing list, send an email > to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > ************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message