I have seen "Dionysus" used for the name "Dennis" as well! Kelly Gray Gray-Devlin-Griffin ---Manhattan > To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > From: kmct@earthlink.net > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:15:03 -0600 > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Birth Certificates and Surprise information > > I have just gotten several Manhattan birth certificates lately via > the FHL photocopying service.(Thanks Mel!) > > What was a surprise is the added information or misinformation. It > reinforces the idea that you need multiple records to come to a > conclusion. > > This couple were married in 1902 in the Bronx. They fortunately have > a Department of Health marriage record. I also have the three birth > certificates of their daughters pre-1910. They have two later > children with certificates but they are not public yet but I did get > the certificate numbers from the index that runs through 1982. > > Name age in Feb 1902 Jan 1905 Jun 1907 Nov 1909 > Owen 35 40 40 38 > Mary 19 22 25 27 > > A few other things to notice. > > 1) Owen is listed as Eugene on the 1909 birth certificate. He is > always listed as Owen in all other records. When he was baptized in > 1862 he was listed as Eugenius which is the Latin for Owen. Owen and > Eugene are the same name like John and Sean. > > 2) In 1905 I have three records for this family and they are not at > the same address in ANY of them. In January 1905 on the birth > certificate they lived at 600 West 46th Street (and baby was baptized > at 329 West 42nd at Holy Cross). In the Jun 1905 NY State Census Owen > is age 35(sic) Mary is 23 and they lived at 543 West 43rd Street. > Sadly the baby died at age 10-months in November 1905 and they were > living at 474 West 43rd Street. That makes finding the right parish > and address very challenging. I heard this branch moved each year for > a freshly painted apartment but wow! > > 3) The 1907 birth certificate provided that Owen was from County > Tyrone and his wife was from County Limerick. This is the only time > his records indicated where he was from. His sisters' records > provided more but if one did not know of other immigrant siblings > sometimes just getting a record from an American-born collateral who > is not your ancestor may break the wall. > > 4) Be careful with the ages and then trying to find a baptismal > record in Ireland. As seen above it can be a tricky proposition to > find this guy since he was born from any of these circa 1867, 1865, > 1870, 1867, 1871. He was born in March 1862 according to his > baptismal certificate. Don't rigidly assume that the one record you > have is absolutely correct. Check it against the census and other > vital records from a more complete picture. > > 5) Pay attention to the number of previous children and number now > living in all. The 1905 indicates that there was an older child(no > birth certificate but have baptismal from 1903) and that it was still > living in 1905. The 1907 indicates that there were two previous > children(1903 and 1905) and now only two remain(1903 and 1907). The > 1905 died. The 1909 indicated that there were three previous births > (1903, 1905 and 1907) and now a total of three living(1903, 1907 and > 1909). The birth records in the the 1880s asked what number child was > this which is a different question so make sure you know which form > they used to determine how many kids there were. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008