Work from knowns to unknowns. If they were in 1860 Census try and figure out what parish and then adjacent parishes. Where id known relatives or friends live? Maybe they connected through a mutual friend or acquaintance. Don't forget about the Police Census in 1890 for Manhattan and some Bronx that survives and the 1892 Census for Kings Co. I have one couple that is hard to find. Peter Goodwin arrives in 1882 to the West 30s. He declares his intent to naturalize in 1886 and was at 604 West 37th Street. Then in 1888 when he naturalized he was at 42nd and 10th Avenue. In the 1890 Police Census he and his wife are at 546 West 46th Street in the fall of 1890. Their first son as born at that same address in July 1891. Despite a closer church they baptize their son at Holy Cross at 329 West 42nd Street. Their second son was baptized there in 1892. The next three kids born in 1894, 1896 and 1898 are baptized at St. Raphael at 541 West 41st Street. Their sixth and final child was baptized at Sacred Heart on West 51st Street and 10th Avenue I think in 1901. In the 1900 Census the husband's age is off. Peter was 40 in 1898 on the birth certificate and then only 38 in 1901 on his death certificate. His wife's age and the three surviving children are right in the 1900 census. Says they were married 10 years in June 1900 with 5 kids born and 3 living. I know they were married by late September/early October 1890. They did not marry at Holy Cross, St. Raphael or Sacred Heart. There are other parishes in the area in Sacred Heart's care now but they were not married there either. My best bet is St. Michael on West 34th near where Peter first lived. Parish is most uncooperative one I have ever dealt with. I am leaning towards this is the place they wed and detail my working theory above. Hope this helps. On Jan 2, 2008, at 7:35 PM, Melanie Egan wrote: > All the discussion on Catholic parish records has renewed my > determination > to search out the marriage records for my gr-grandparents. Could > anyone > share the most efficient approach to finding the possible parishes > for the > time period of 1860 through 1895? I've tried the ones where the > children > were baptized but that hasn't worked. If I don't know where the > bride was > living before the marriage and I don't know the actual year, is it > completely hopeless at this point? They are not listed on the > Italian gen > website. Any suggestions appreciated. > > Melanie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Regarding Irish Catholic marriages in the Hell's Kitchen vicinity: does anyone know where else these couples could have been married? I am trying to locate a marriage somewhere between 1868 and 1871--it is not on Italiangen.org's database. Holy Cross was established to serve the Irish community in its neighborhood, it seems, so it surprises me that KMCT, below, could not find a record there. Cathy Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> wrote: They did not marry at Holy Cross, St. Raphael or Sacred Heart. There are other parishes in the area in Sacred Heart's care now but they were not married there either. My best bet is St. Michael on West 34th near where Peter first lived. Parish is most uncooperative one I have ever dealt with. I am leaning towards this is the place they wed and detail my working theory above. Hope this helps. www.penniesforpeace.org --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

My entire martin side of the family grew up in hell's kitchen and grandfather was married in a catholic church on 91st and 8th aver. Joe -----Original Message----- From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cathy hatcher Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:57 PM To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Catholic Parishes/19th Cen. Hell's Kitchen Marriages Regarding Irish Catholic marriages in the Hell's Kitchen vicinity: does anyone know where else these couples could have been married? I am trying to locate a marriage somewhere between 1868 and 1871--it is not on Italiangen.org's database. Holy Cross was established to serve the Irish community in its neighborhood, it seems, so it surprises me that KMCT, below, could not find a record there. Cathy Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> wrote: They did not marry at Holy Cross, St. Raphael or Sacred Heart. There are other parishes in the area in Sacred Heart's care now but they were not married there either. My best bet is St. Michael on West 34th near where Peter first lived. Parish is most uncooperative one I have ever dealt with. I am leaning towards this is the place they wed and detail my working theory above. Hope this helps. www.penniesforpeace.org --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message