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    1. [IRISH-NYC] Catholic Burials and Stillbirths
    2. Michelle and Kevin Cassidy
    3. I FINALLy got the date of my ancestor's second marriage. Thanks to the secretary at St. Francis Xavier for providing this information after searching MANY other parishes since 1996. (She did it by e-mail request and asked for a donation but did not specify an amount and did say is was not required. Other parishes have charged me up to $25 for this wedding search.) Now that I know the bride was a maiden and not a widow, I was perplexed with the birth certificate. Joseph Cassidy married Ellen Hart on 20 Dec 1885. They had one daughter born 5 Aug 1888. On the birth certificate she said this was the third child born to her and one was living, that being the new baby. She was baptized a few days later at St. Gabriel and her godmother was the same name as the name of the maid of honor at the 1885 wedding, Kate Hart. I assume this was Ellen's sister. My question is part of the processing of how a woman can have three children between 20 Dec 1885-5 Aug 1888. Twins would be one way for sure. Joseph purchased a grave that he, his two infant daughters(by different mothers) and each of his three wives were buried in. His first wife and their ONLY child(verified by the birth certificate) were buried in 1883, then Ellen and Ann were buried in 1889 and Joseph and my ancestor were buried in 1928 and 1933. Since Ellen was not previously married, then the options are: 1) She had two kids out of wedlock before 1885, possible but still unlikely. I am not naive but things were a bit more chaste back then. 2) She had two stillbirths between 1885-1888. 3) She had two children who were born alive but died before baptism between 1885-1888. These people were Catholics. Each of his three weddings, while not recorded with the Department of Health, was celebrated by a priest and recorded in the church register. All three of his known children received baptism within days of their births. If Kate Hart is the same woman in 1885 and 1888, then one would assume this was the first baptism celebrated for these children. I have not seen using the same sponsors over and over again. My question is have any of you had experience tracking stillbirths? Does Calvary have records and am I right that just a non-baptized adult could not be buried in that grave in 1889 that an unbaptized infant would have to be buried elsewhere? If not Calvary where might he have buried them? Any ideas? Thanks! If they were born alive, then there has to be a death certificate. Did Calvary need a certificate to bury a stillborn?

    02/21/2008 09:59:58