It is very important to know the DATE every parish was founded and to keep a list at hand as you go along, because new parishes were opening frequently to serve the huge numbers of immigrants and others moving into the city every day. Parishes were just growing too large and were divided and then divided again and again. And it was happening very quickly. I think I got my list from the NYBrooklyn web site at rootsweb.com --- but perhaps from the Archdiocese of New York's own web site. My great-grandparents did NOT move between 1883 - 1911, in fact they lived in the same apt. in the same building in Chelsea all those years --- but during those years they were in three different parishes, and their children and grandchildren were caught up in the changes as well, as they all lived nearby and some were changing with the others, and some were not changing at all --- or making still other changes because they lived the furthest south or east! MaureenResearching: Costello (Galway and Mayo), Cotter, Durcan/Durkin, Higgins, Lynch, McCarthy (Manhattan), Raftree/Raftery (Galway), Shannon, Sullivan, Amacher, Baur, Bove, Cremer, Ehlen, Fischer, Gansberg, Giefer, Hamacher, Hense/Henseler, Hofmann/Hoeffeler, Jackler/Jackelen, Jaegers, Koch, Kratz, Krebs, Marlo/Marlot/Morlo, Mueller/Meller, Mertes, Pick, Reetz, Rheinges,Reichardt/Reichert, Rick, Schmieden, Seitz/Zeidt, vonAlleman/Vollerman, vonMeer, Weiskopf, Zens, Albright, Compton, Corselius, Clemens/Clements, Daly (Galway), Early, Fallon (Galway), Greene (Waterford), Callahan, Fitzgerald, McCarthy (Illinois), McGrath (Waterford), Moss, Mullenix/Mullinax, Prichard, Reilly, Shelly, Shook, Tye.

Hi, Maureen, Thanks for the info! Also, I happened to notice we have an ancestral name in common: FITZGERALD. I don't have time today, but I'll get back with you next week and see if we have any crossover! Patricia Connors Nowlin (the Other California Pat Connors) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Shelly" <mcshelly2@msn.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:19 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Parishes Give BAPTISMAL Certificates Not BirthCertificates! > > It is very important to know the DATE every parish was founded and to keep > a list at hand as you go along, because new parishes were opening > frequently to serve the huge numbers of immigrants and others moving into > the city every day. Parishes were just growing too large and were divided > and then divided again and again. And it was happening very quickly. > > I think I got my list from the NYBrooklyn web site at rootsweb.com --- but > perhaps from the Archdiocese of New York's own web site. > > My great-grandparents did NOT move between 1883 - 1911, in fact they lived > in the same apt. in the same building in Chelsea all those years --- but > during those years they were in three different parishes, and their > children and grandchildren were caught up in the changes as well, as they > all lived nearby and some were changing with the others, and some were not > changing at all --- or making still other changes because they lived the > furthest south or east! > > MaureenResearching: Costello (Galway and Mayo), Cotter, Durcan/Durkin, > Higgins, Lynch, McCarthy (Manhattan), Raftree/Raftery (Galway), Shannon, > Sullivan, Amacher, Baur, Bove, Cremer, Ehlen, Fischer, Gansberg, Giefer, > Hamacher, Hense/Henseler, Hofmann/Hoeffeler, Jackler/Jackelen, Jaegers, > Koch, Kratz, Krebs, Marlo/Marlot/Morlo, Mueller/Meller, Mertes, Pick, > Reetz, Rheinges,Reichardt/Reichert, Rick, Schmieden, Seitz/Zeidt, > vonAlleman/Vollerman, vonMeer, Weiskopf, Zens, Albright, Compton, > Corselius, Clemens/Clements, Daly (Galway), Early, Fallon (Galway), Greene > (Waterford), Callahan, Fitzgerald, McCarthy (Illinois), McGrath > (Waterford), Moss, Mullenix/Mullinax, Prichard, Reilly, Shelly, Shook, > Tye. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is very true that a baptismal certificate is not a birth certificate. The vast majority of children though, if Catholic, were baptized within days of birth. The baptismal certificate often lists a DOB and in that situation it is a vital record substitute. Many of these baptized children died within their first year and if they did not get a birth certificate the baptismal certificate, the death certificate and possibly a census entry are the only records one might find besides the funeral home record and interment list from the cemetery. On Mar 15, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Maureen Shelly wrote: > > It is very important to know the DATE every parish was founded and > to keep a list at hand as you go along, because new parishes were > opening frequently to serve the huge numbers of immigrants and > others moving into the city every day. Parishes were just growing > too large and were divided and then divided again and again. And > it was happening very quickly. > > I think I got my list from the NYBrooklyn web site at rootsweb.com > --- but perhaps from the Archdiocese of New York's own web site. > > My great-grandparents did NOT move between 1883 - 1911, in fact > they lived in the same apt. in the same building in Chelsea all > those years --- but during those years they were in three different > parishes, and their children and grandchildren were caught up in > the changes as well, as they all lived nearby and some were > changing with the others, and some were not changing at all --- or > making still other changes because they lived the furthest south or > east! > > MaureenResearching: Costello (Galway and Mayo), Cotter, Durcan/ > Durkin, Higgins, Lynch, McCarthy (Manhattan), Raftree/Raftery > (Galway), Shannon, Sullivan, Amacher, Baur, Bove, Cremer, Ehlen, > Fischer, Gansberg, Giefer, Hamacher, Hense/Henseler, Hofmann/ > Hoeffeler, Jackler/Jackelen, Jaegers, Koch, Kratz, Krebs, Marlo/ > Marlot/Morlo, Mueller/Meller, Mertes, Pick, Reetz, > Rheinges,Reichardt/Reichert, Rick, Schmieden, Seitz/Zeidt, > vonAlleman/Vollerman, vonMeer, Weiskopf, Zens, Albright, Compton, > Corselius, Clemens/Clements, Daly (Galway), Early, Fallon (Galway), > Greene (Waterford), Callahan, Fitzgerald, McCarthy (Illinois), > McGrath (Waterford), Moss, Mullenix/Mullinax, Prichard, Reilly, > Shelly, Shook, Tye. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message