1. In the eyes of the church a civil wedding is not a bidding marriage. i.e. you can be married again in the church. 2. You would have a Catholic burial, but not necessary to have a record of that (death is not a sacrament so no record) I don't know if they keep records of last rights though if the person got them. I know in 1982 my dad was buried in a Catholic cemetery although he was not Catholic. Joy -----Original Message----- From: Pam Jeter [mailto:pjeter@psyber.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:29 PM To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRISH-NYC] HELP!!! Irish Catholic Customs? Okay, I hope someone can help me with these questions regarding Irish catholic customs...(I am pretty ignorant of the catholic religion) 1.I have discovered that my grandmother, (who would never tell me a darn thing about her family!) was married once before by the justice of the peace in 1926. Supposedly she married my grandfather in 1927, but I have never found a married license or cert in any of the boroughs for my grandparents marriage. I have looked for a death cert for the first husband to no avail, but did find his previous wifes death cert. What I am wondering is if maybe she couldn't get a divorce as she was catholic and just pretended to be married...too far fetched? Just remember the aunt in "A TREE GROWS IN BROOKLYN", who continually married without divorcing. Anyone else have this come up? Okay next question (thanks for your patience) 2. When a catholic person dies, would they have typically had a funeral at the church?, if so is there usually a record? And who could be buried in the church cemetery...any catholic? thanks for any advice Pam Jeter Researching: KING, McCUE, BRIDGEWOOD, MURPHY, O'CONNELL, SHANNON , McDONOUGH (Ireland>Brooklyn>NYC) ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== Do you miss receiving MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS? If so, just subscribe to: http://www.petuniapress.com/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/2002

Years ago customs varied in Catholic Cemeteries .... My husband's grandparents are in the same cemetery, but not in the same part. He was Protestant, was not buried in the part consecrated by the Catholic bishop. Other Catholic Cemeteries would not bury anyone not Catholic, made no provision for that, so oftentimes both were buried in another cemetery in order to be together. Maureen --- Joy Foertsch <acme65@attbi.com> wrote: > 1. In the eyes of the church a civil wedding is not a > bidding marriage. i.e. > you can be married again in the church. > > 2. You would have a Catholic burial, but not necessary > to have a record of > that (death is not a sacrament so no record) I don't > know if they keep > records of last rights though if the person got them. I > know in 1982 my dad > was buried in a Catholic cemetery although he was not > Catholic. > > Joy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pam Jeter [mailto:pjeter@psyber.com] > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:29 PM > To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] HELP!!! Irish Catholic Customs? > > > Okay, I hope someone can help me with these questions > regarding Irish > catholic customs...(I am pretty ignorant of the catholic > religion) > > 1.I have discovered that my grandmother, (who would never > tell me a darn > thing about her family!) was married once before by the > justice of the peace > in 1926. Supposedly she married my grandfather in 1927, > but I have never > found a married license or cert in any of the boroughs > for my grandparents > marriage. I have looked for a death cert for the first > husband to no avail, > but did find his previous wifes death cert. What I am > wondering is if maybe > she couldn't get a divorce as she was catholic and just > pretended to be > married...too far fetched? Just remember the aunt in "A > TREE GROWS IN > BROOKLYN", who continually married without divorcing. > Anyone else have this > come up? > > Okay next question (thanks for your patience) > > 2. When a catholic person dies, would they have > typically had a funeral at > the church?, if so is there usually a record? And who > could be buried in > the church cemetery...any catholic? > > thanks for any advice > Pam Jeter > Researching: KING, McCUE, BRIDGEWOOD, MURPHY, O'CONNELL, > SHANNON , > McDONOUGH (Ireland>Brooklyn>NYC) > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Do you miss receiving MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS? > If so, > just subscribe to: > http://www.petuniapress.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: > 3/14/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: > 3/14/2002 > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Adopt a US County list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ > Adopt a Surname list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Cotter, Shannon, Sullivan, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Fischer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shook, Shelly, Prichard, Tye, Daly, Early, Greene, Callaghan, Fitzgerald, McGrath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

Thanks for your very helpful reply. I should probally keep digging then for my grandmother's second marriage... Pam Jeter