Dear listers, I received a copy of my gggrandparents marriage certificate from St. Patrick's Old Cathedral. The date is April 28, 1856. Unfortunately it only lists their names and the names of the witnesses, no birth dates or place of birth or parents names. Would it have been necessary for them to obtain a marriage license prior to the church marriage? Thanks for any help given. Also, just wanted to say, never give up, and go back and recheck places. I had sent for this request about 5 years ago, along with the baptism record's of their 6 (actually was 7) children. The woman who worked in the office said she could not find one record. After contacting numerous area churches and finding no results, I pretty much figured the records were either there and overlooked, or they were never recorded. I contacted the church again, a new woman answered the phone. I wanted to find out the cost of each search, to see if it had changed from the first search. The amount was the same. I explained that I had previously requested a search but that nothing was found, but that I was almost 100% certain that they should be there. She took my name and said she would keep a look out for my request. I sent away for them, and within less then a week, she called me on the phone, totally excited that she had found my gggrandparents marriage record! And to top it off, I hadn't even given her my phone number. She called info to get it! She also ended up finding 5 out of the 7 baptismal records I needed. (of course, not for my ggrandfather's, but you can't win them all!) So, the moral is, if you are pretty sure on where the records should be found, try, try again!. Just thought I would share this in case someone else is having the same bad luck I was having. Marge Duffy Virgulak Jesus, A Never Ending Friend De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story. Beannachtai agus Siochain "Cuimhnig'ar 'Ar Sinnsir" - Remember Our Ancestors An Irish Blessing May God grant you always A sunbeam to warm you A moonbeam to charm you A sheltering angel So nothing can harm you Laughter to cheer you Faithful friends near you And whenever you pray Heaven to hear you.