We need to find out where the older records are kept ... for everyone. Did they go to the Archives of the NYC Archdiocese from the church? Were they (heaven forbid!) destroyed? My cousins in NJ got the same answer (don't have older records) from two Manhattan priests, too, and didn't follow-up. Are the older records on LDS microfilms? If someone living there in NYC could get the correct info now, for all the parishes, we could settle this for everyone now and it would be great to have the information right on the Irish-NYC web site for everyone to use ever after! I haven't gotten back that far in NYC yet. In Hudson and Bergen Counties in NJ the old records (1840s-1850s) are at the Archdiocese of Newark Archives and you can pay an Archivist by the hour plus copying. I think we got everything for everybody (first communions, confirmations, everything) for 1-1/2 hours work at $9 per hour plus copying ..... A REAL STEAL! A professional archivist can do in 1-1/2 hours what would take me many days and many trips and many tolls! Maureen --- Bluelamp@aol.com wrote: > I wrote to St Michaels Catholic church requesting baptism > records with a > donation. A week later I received a reply that they > could not find anything > and thanks for the donation. Recently I contacted them > again, looking for > information about a marriage certificate from St Michaels > in 1862. I've been > trying to find where in Ireland they were from and > someone mentioned the > priest would have asked what church they were baptised > in, so maybe this > would tell me where in Ireland. I got a call this time > from the priest there > who said they did not have records that far back at all. > > > In a message dated 04/27/2002 1:20:10 PM Eastern Daylight > Time, > Snaturequest@aol.com writes: > > > > Hi List--How does one begin to obtain a baptism cert > from a NYC church ? > > John > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run > frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Cotter, Shannon, Sullivan, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Fischer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shook, Shelly, Prichard, Tye, Daly, Early, Greene, Callaghan, Fitzgerald, McGrath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

Maureen, Do you still happen to have the name and contact info for the professional researcher that you used to obtain these records? I have heard how hard it is to access them and it would be beneficial to used someone with experience. Thanks, Peggy Apostolos River Falls, WI At 09:05 AM 4/30/2002 -0700, you wrote: >In Hudson and >Bergen Counties in NJ the old records (1840s-1850s) are at >the Archdiocese of Newark Archives and you can pay an >Archivist by the hour plus copying. I think we got >everything for everybody (first communions, confirmations, >everything) for 1-1/2 hours work at $9 per hour plus >copying ..... A REAL STEAL! A professional archivist can >do in 1-1/2 hours what would take me many days and many >trips and many tolls! > >Maureen

The Archivist was an employee at the Archdiocesan Archives. It was a NJ cousin who handled that part, and it was 10 or more years ago. I just paid my share of the bill and got my copies of all the info. Write to (or email) the Diocese of Newark Archives at Seton Hall University in one of the Oranges (South Orange?), and see what they can do for you. I told that story simply to illustrate the ease with which records were obtained on one side of the Hudson River, and the great difficulty everyone seems to have on the other side of the river. This list needs to have the information on Catholic Church records permanently displayed for all to see and use, as a huge majority of Irish NYC was Roman Catholic. Once and for all, let's see if someone of you who is in NYC can get some definitive answers. The Archdiocese says "the parishes" and the parishes say "we don't have any records that old" ...... WELL ..... Who does have them? Where are they? Can someone in NYC track down an answer that makes some sense of this for all of us in Texas and Illinois and California? Can someone start an email campaign to Archdiocesan administrators to get some action to provide a method for securing ancestors' records that would be a win-win for the Archdiocese of NYC and for genealogy researchers, too? Good luck, Maureen --- Peggy Apostolos <peggy.apostolos@itss-inc.com> wrote: > Maureen, > > Do you still happen to have the name and contact info for > the professional > researcher that you used to obtain these records? I have > heard how hard it > is to access them and it would be beneficial to used > someone with experience. > > Thanks, > Peggy Apostolos > River Falls, WI > > At 09:05 AM 4/30/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >In Hudson and > >Bergen Counties in NJ the old records (1840s-1850s) are > at > >the Archdiocese of Newark Archives and you can pay an > >Archivist by the hour plus copying. I think we got > >everything for everybody (first communions, > confirmations, > >everything) for 1-1/2 hours work at $9 per hour plus > >copying ..... A REAL STEAL! A professional archivist > can > >do in 1-1/2 hours what would take me many days and many > >trips and many tolls! > > > >Maureen > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Do you miss receiving MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS? > If so, > just subscribe to: > http://www.petuniapress.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Cotter, Shannon, Sullivan, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Fischer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shook, Shelly, Prichard, Tye, Daly, Early, Greene, Callaghan, Fitzgerald, McGrath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com