Just to add fuel to the fire, I was told by Calvary that the laws of nature assure them that each grave is fairly empty or reusable every twenty years if no grave liner is used. The woman who told me this also indicated that in 100 years the normal tow deep, one wide grave could handle 10 interments. I also posed this question to my cousin, who happens to be in the mortuary business in NYC and is very familiar with Calvary and she assures me it is true. Remember that grave liners were NOT common practice until fairly recently. Does that help? Good luck, Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: <MKVIRG@aol.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery Burial Records 1848 - 1851 > Dorothy and List, > I have dealt with Calvary numerous times, mostly receiving the info I > requested. But their are two cases that I have that leave more questions like > yours. 1) I have the death certificate of my ggaunts first husband, John > Fitsimmons, died March 6, 1860, which states he was buried in Calvary. > Calvary says that they cannot find him. His wife's second husband, their > son, her mother, sister and a small baby (still not sure of his connection) > are buried in Calvary in one plot. I cannot find where the wife (Rose > McNally Fitsimmons Healy) is buried. I believe she may be buried with her > first husband. Where? Only God and she knows! (Have checked death index- but > not sure of date of her death) > 2) I have a listing of a family plot where there are 9 people buried in it, > from 1881 to 1965. When I visited Calvary, and searched for the plot, I only > found a one-width plot, no headstone. Wasn't sure if I found the right one, > a nice worker at the cemetery helped, and yes, it was the right plot. My > question to the people at the office was - 'how could 9 people be buried in a > one-width plot?" There answer, buried on top of each other! Now, I don't > believe that for one minute. The plot on the left was an old plot, the plot > on the right was a newer one, more recent deaths. I have checked that plot > (got the interment record) and they are not related to anyone that we know > of. > My father's cousins' theory (a resident of Queens) is that Cemetery's are > allowed to resell the plots if there has been no burials in the past 100 > years. Now, obviously the second plot had a burial in 1965, but the previous > date of a burial was 1941. > Bottom line, I believe both plots were resold, and the records from the > previous plots destroyed. Can't prove any of it. Just my theory. > Marge Duffy Virgulak > > De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story > Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living. > Jesus, A Never Ending Friend > "Friends are God's way of taking care of us" > Beannachtai agus Siochain > > AN IRISH BLESSING > > May God grant you always > A sunbeam to warm you > A moonbeam to charm you > A sheltering angel > So nothing can harm you > Laughter to cheer you > Faithful friends near you > And whenever you pray > Heaven to hear you > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy GaelEire@aol.com > Jim McCarthy SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Makes sense. We just don't like to think about it! --- Fran MIller <ancabhan@taconic.net> wrote: > Just to add fuel to the fire, I was told by Calvary that > the laws of nature > assure them that each grave is fairly empty or reusable > every twenty years > if no grave liner is used. The woman who told me this > also indicated that in > 100 years the normal tow deep, one wide grave could > handle 10 interments. I > also posed this question to my cousin, who happens to be > in the > mortuary business in NYC and is very familiar with > Calvary and she assures > me it is true. Remember that grave liners were NOT common > practice until > fairly recently. Does that help? > > Good luck, > > Fran > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MKVIRG@aol.com> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery Burial Records > 1848 - 1851 > > > > Dorothy and List, > > I have dealt with Calvary numerous times, mostly > receiving the info I > > requested. But their are two cases that I have that > leave more questions > like > > yours. 1) I have the death certificate of my ggaunts > first husband, John > > Fitsimmons, died March 6, 1860, which states he was > buried in Calvary. > > Calvary says that they cannot find him. His wife's > second husband, their > > son, her mother, sister and a small baby (still not > sure of his > connection) > > are buried in Calvary in one plot. I cannot find where > the wife (Rose > > McNally Fitsimmons Healy) is buried. I believe she may > be buried with her > > first husband. Where? Only God and she knows! (Have > checked death index- > but > > not sure of date of her death) > > 2) I have a listing of a family plot where there are 9 > people buried in > it, > > from 1881 to 1965. When I visited Calvary, and > searched for the plot, I > only > > found a one-width plot, no headstone. Wasn't sure if I > found the right > one, > > a nice worker at the cemetery helped, and yes, it was > the right plot. My > > question to the people at the office was - 'how could 9 > people be buried > in a > > one-width plot?" There answer, buried on top of each > other! Now, I don't > > believe that for one minute. The plot on the left was > an old plot, the > plot > > on the right was a newer one, more recent deaths. I > have checked that plot > > (got the interment record) and they are not related to > anyone that we know > > of. > > My father's cousins' theory (a resident of Queens) is > that Cemetery's are > > allowed to resell the plots if there has been no > burials in the past 100 > > years. Now, obviously the second plot had a burial in > 1965, but the > previous > > date of a burial was 1941. > > Bottom line, I believe both plots were resold, and the > records from the > > previous plots destroyed. Can't prove any of it. Just > my theory. > > Marge Duffy Virgulak > > > > De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story > > Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the > living. > > Jesus, A Never Ending Friend > > "Friends are God's way of taking care of us" > > Beannachtai agus Siochain > > > > AN IRISH BLESSING > > > > May God grant you always > > A sunbeam to warm you > > A moonbeam to charm you > > A sheltering angel > > So nothing can harm you > > Laughter to cheer you > > Faithful friends near you > > And whenever you pray > > Heaven to hear you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > List Administrators: > > Tracy Cassidy GaelEire@aol.com > > Jim McCarthy SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run > frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/