How exactly did you request this interment list from Calvary? Can you request by phone or does it have to be by snail mail and what does this cost please? Thanks in advance... Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "BBurnett" <bburnett@optonline.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > Don and Dorothy, > > I recently received an interment list from Calvary Cemetery. It took > about six weeks. Four family plots were purchased on January 9, 1860 by > James McLoughlin, who I believe to be my 3rd great grandfather. There are 22 > people buried in those plots, including my great grandfather, who is also > James McLaughlin. Many of the names I've never heard of. I don't know the > maiden name of my 3rd great grandmother but there are a lot of Timmerman's > buried in these plots. It's very interesting. The list includes the name of > the deceased, date of burial, age at death, which grave the person is buried > in and birth place; nothing exact, all of these birth places are either NY, > Ireland and two US. > Using this information I sent to the NY Dept. of Records and Information > Services (DORIS) for a death certificate for the woman I believe to be my > 3rd great grandmother, and just this morning received not a death > certificate like I'm used to seeing, but a copy of a list giving the date of > decease, name, age at death, street address, place of nativity, disease, > cemetery, occupation, and attending physician. I was hoping for a maiden > name but with a street address perhaps I'll be able to find them in the > census and go from there. Every little bit helps. > Prepare yourself. Calvary also sent me a bill for $2,625.00 for > outstanding annual care charges due. They suggested I put the graveholdings > under Perpetual Care for $2,750.00. If I do this now I can save the $144.00 > annual care charge for 2002 and it will only cost me a total of $5,231.00. I > hope they don't evict my ancestors when I don't respond. I don't believe > they really expect me to pay it but I guess it's worth a try. Actually, they > were some of the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with. > Good luck in your research, > > Barb in CT > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

The price?!? I think it is an exorbitant price, whatever it is. I remember way back when I was asked if I wanted to know how many people were buried. The staff member not only told me how many, but he gave me the dates of the interred.... I was able to find some of those buried there ( same last name)...but eventually, I purchased the list. Because some staff member had to go hunting "in another book" and have it typewritten, there was a charge. Over 30 bucks...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran MIller" <ancabhan@taconic.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > How exactly did you request this interment list from Calvary? Can you > request by phone or does it have to be by snail mail and what does this cost > please? > Thanks in advance... > Wayne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BBurnett" <bburnett@optonline.net> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:38 PM > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > > > > Don and Dorothy, > > > > I recently received an interment list from Calvary Cemetery. It took > > about six weeks. Four family plots were purchased on January 9, 1860 by > > James McLoughlin, who I believe to be my 3rd great grandfather. There are > 22 > > people buried in those plots, including my great grandfather, who is also > > James McLaughlin. Many of the names I've never heard of. I don't know the > > maiden name of my 3rd great grandmother but there are a lot of Timmerman's > > buried in these plots. It's very interesting. The list includes the name > of > > the deceased, date of burial, age at death, which grave the person is > buried > > in and birth place; nothing exact, all of these birth places are either > NY, > > Ireland and two US. > > Using this information I sent to the NY Dept. of Records and > Information > > Services (DORIS) for a death certificate for the woman I believe to be my > > 3rd great grandmother, and just this morning received not a death > > certificate like I'm used to seeing, but a copy of a list giving the date > of > > decease, name, age at death, street address, place of nativity, disease, > > cemetery, occupation, and attending physician. I was hoping for a maiden > > name but with a street address perhaps I'll be able to find them in the > > census and go from there. Every little bit helps. > > Prepare yourself. Calvary also sent me a bill for $2,625.00 for > > outstanding annual care charges due. They suggested I put the > graveholdings > > under Perpetual Care for $2,750.00. If I do this now I can save the > $144.00 > > annual care charge for 2002 and it will only cost me a total of $5,231.00. > I > > hope they don't evict my ancestors when I don't respond. I don't believe > > they really expect me to pay it but I guess it's worth a try. Actually, > they > > were some of the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with. > > Good luck in your research, > > > > Barb in CT > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Mark your calendar for the 11th annual Genealogy and Technology (GENTECH) conference - Digital Technology...The Ancestral Frontier - in Phoenix, Arizona on January 17-18, 2003. For the latest information, please visit the website regularly: http://www.gentech.org > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

When you think of all the burials that have taken place in Calvary...what is it ...a million or two...and how many record books they must have, I have to disagree with you and say the cost for a transcript is pretty darn cheap. Look what we pay the Government for records. Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/

Those days are long gone. :) When they used to do that they maybe received a few requests a month. Now they most likely receive hundreds in a month (given the number of times this question is raised on this list alone, that's probably a low estimate). With over three million burials, and the overwhelming increase in the popularity of genealogy, Calvary is quite busy handling genealogical requests now (not to mention handling current day funerals). The charges are there to offset the cost of the manpower, paper, postage, etc., to do the searches. They are a business. They have to pay their employees. The current price (and it's been this for quite some time with no increase) is $20 for the first name (in the plot) and $2 for every person after that. Quite reasonable by ANY standard. Considering the information you can get, it's a bargain. Obtaining real genealogical documents and conducting real (not online) genealogy at archives is not usually completely free. Everything cost something, even if it's just the copy machine. :) I think, as genealogists, we all have to keep in mind that what may be a hobby for some may be a business to the people who have the records. Take the Municipal Archives for instance. They are a city agency. But, they have to support themselves and run the department like a business OR they would be quickly shut down (if they had to rely soley on the city budget/tax revenues). So, they charge $5 for usage of a reader (which goes to pay for the bulbs and maintenance of the machine and the purchase of new equipment, probably also a share goes towards the cost of the microfilm itself) and $5 for each certified certificate or $10 for an index search and certificate (which goes to pay the cost of the labor/employee involved, the paper, the machine they use, the microfilm, the printing costs for the envelope, the postage, etc.). They have a charge for everything that COSTS THEM. They try to be self supporting. And, it's a good thing they do or we wouldn't have them (to kick :)) around. The city budget (deficit) wouldn't allow it. Genealogy Economics 101 :) Best regards. Nancy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mtogl" <mtogl@email.msn.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > The price?!? I think it is an exorbitant price, whatever it is. I remember > way back when I was asked if I wanted to know how many people were buried. > The staff member not only told me how many, but he gave me the dates of the > interred.... I was able to find some of those buried there ( same last > name)...but eventually, I purchased the list. Because some staff member had > to go hunting "in another book" and have it typewritten, there was a > charge. Over 30 bucks...... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fran MIller" <ancabhan@taconic.net> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > > > > How exactly did you request this interment list from Calvary? Can you > > request by phone or does it have to be by snail mail and what does this > cost > > please? > > Thanks in advance... > > Wayne > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "BBurnett" <bburnett@optonline.net> > > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:38 PM > > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > > > > > > > Don and Dorothy, > > > > > > I recently received an interment list from Calvary Cemetery. It took > > > about six weeks. Four family plots were purchased on January 9, 1860 by > > > James McLoughlin, who I believe to be my 3rd great grandfather. There > are > > 22 > > > people buried in those plots, including my great grandfather, who is > also > > > James McLaughlin. Many of the names I've never heard of. I don't know > the > > > maiden name of my 3rd great grandmother but there are a lot of > Timmerman's > > > buried in these plots. It's very interesting. The list includes the name > > of > > > the deceased, date of burial, age at death, which grave the person is > > buried > > > in and birth place; nothing exact, all of these birth places are either > > NY, > > > Ireland and two US. > > > Using this information I sent to the NY Dept. of Records and > > Information > > > Services (DORIS) for a death certificate for the woman I believe to be > my > > > 3rd great grandmother, and just this morning received not a death > > > certificate like I'm used to seeing, but a copy of a list giving the > date > > of > > > decease, name, age at death, street address, place of nativity, disease, > > > cemetery, occupation, and attending physician. I was hoping for a maiden > > > name but with a street address perhaps I'll be able to find them in the > > > census and go from there. Every little bit helps. > > > Prepare yourself. Calvary also sent me a bill for $2,625.00 for > > > outstanding annual care charges due. They suggested I put the > > graveholdings > > > under Perpetual Care for $2,750.00. If I do this now I can save the > > $144.00 > > > annual care charge for 2002 and it will only cost me a total of > $5,231.00. > > I > > > hope they don't evict my ancestors when I don't respond. I don't believe > > > they really expect me to pay it but I guess it's worth a try. Actually, > > they > > > were some of the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of dealing > with. > > > Good luck in your research, > > > > > > Barb in CT > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Mark your calendar for the 11th annual Genealogy and Technology (GENTECH) > conference - Digital Technology...The Ancestral Frontier - in Phoenix, > Arizona on January 17-18, 2003. 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Call the Cemetery and ask them to look up the number of people in the plot. They will tell you the amount. Then mail them a check with the plot address. Mario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran MIller" <ancabhan@taconic.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > How exactly did you request this interment list from Calvary? Can you > request by phone or does it have to be by snail mail and what does this cost > please? > Thanks in advance... > Wayne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BBurnett" <bburnett@optonline.net> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:38 PM > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > > > > Don and Dorothy, > > > > I recently received an interment list from Calvary Cemetery. It took > > about six weeks. Four family plots were purchased on January 9, 1860 by > > James McLoughlin, who I believe to be my 3rd great grandfather. There are > 22 > > people buried in those plots, including my great grandfather, who is also > > James McLaughlin. Many of the names I've never heard of. I don't know the > > maiden name of my 3rd great grandmother but there are a lot of Timmerman's > > buried in these plots. It's very interesting. The list includes the name > of > > the deceased, date of burial, age at death, which grave the person is > buried > > in and birth place; nothing exact, all of these birth places are either > NY, > > Ireland and two US. > > Using this information I sent to the NY Dept. of Records and > Information > > Services (DORIS) for a death certificate for the woman I believe to be my > > 3rd great grandmother, and just this morning received not a death > > certificate like I'm used to seeing, but a copy of a list giving the date > of > > decease, name, age at death, street address, place of nativity, disease, > > cemetery, occupation, and attending physician. I was hoping for a maiden > > name but with a street address perhaps I'll be able to find them in the > > census and go from there. Every little bit helps. > > Prepare yourself. Calvary also sent me a bill for $2,625.00 for > > outstanding annual care charges due. They suggested I put the > graveholdings > > under Perpetual Care for $2,750.00. If I do this now I can save the > $144.00 > > annual care charge for 2002 and it will only cost me a total of $5,231.00. > I > > hope they don't evict my ancestors when I don't respond. I don't believe > > they really expect me to pay it but I guess it's worth a try. Actually, > they > > were some of the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with. > > Good luck in your research, > > > > Barb in CT > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Mark your calendar for the 11th annual Genealogy and Technology (GENTECH) conference - Digital Technology...The Ancestral Frontier - in Phoenix, Arizona on January 17-18, 2003. For the latest information, please visit the website regularly: http://www.gentech.org > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

You do send snail mail to Calvary including all the pertinent date. Do not bother if you do not have either a date of death, a date of burial or the plot number. There records are not alphabetized. Calvary will send then send you a letter telling you they have found the records and quote you an exact price for the transcript. You like most of us, will also get a bill for perpetual care. It is rare (I think) when anyone pays it these days for the fees are high. Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/

Thank you Elizabeth for your speedy response. I have an idea that in addition to my Grandmother and Grandfather, I may find our long lost cousins who died in the flu epidemic of the early 20's. I 'm sending for the interement list right now. Thanks again. Fran always searching for McCallion, especially those called Daniel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth V. Cardinal" <EVC1369@comcast.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > You do send snail mail to Calvary including all the pertinent date. > > Do not bother if you do not have either a date of death, a date of burial > or the plot number. There records are not alphabetized. > > Calvary will send then send you a letter telling you they have found the > records and quote you an exact price for the transcript. > > You like most of us, will also get a bill for perpetual care. It is rare (I > think) when anyone pays it these days for the fees are high. > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > EVC1369@comcast.net > evcardinal@yahoo.com > www.geocities.com/evcardinal/ > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Is it possible just to make a tax deductible contribution of, say, $100 a year to the "Archdiocese of NY, Calvary Cemetery" if one cannot pay the $5,000 due? That would help them out somewhat, I think. Has anyone done anything like that? Maureen --- "Elizabeth V. Cardinal" <EVC1369@comcast.net> wrote: > You do send snail mail to Calvary including all the > pertinent date. > > Do not bother if you do not have either a date of death, > a date of burial > or the plot number. There records are not alphabetized. > > Calvary will send then send you a letter telling you they > have found the > records and quote you an exact price for the transcript. > > You like most of us, will also get a bill for perpetual > care. It is rare (I > think) when anyone pays it these days for the fees are > high. > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > EVC1369@comcast.net > evcardinal@yahoo.com > www.geocities.com/evcardinal/ > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

<<Is it possible just to make a tax deductible contribution of, say, $100 a year to the "Archdiocese of NY, Calvary Cemetery" if one cannot pay the $5,000 due? >> I do not see why not. All contributions of that kind are deductible and you can earmark it for Calvary. You can also negotiate with Calvary. They m ight wave the old charges if you pay the current fee for Perpetual care. I did that in one instance. Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/