Melanie, this is a wonderful site! Thanks!! Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Melanie Egan <megan@cfl.rr.com> To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 9:56 pm Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] General Genealogy Information A great new website I just learned about, with information on general genealogy research plus Irish research is www.moughty.com Donna Moughty is a professional genealogist and she just started a blog on her website which contains great information, much of it from her lectures. I heard her speak at a genealogy conference and she was excellent. Very interesting and lots of practical advice. Her lectures on DVD are also available for sale. One tip she gave was to request any additional information when requesting parish records. She had an example (which is included in one of her blogs) of a marriage certificate from St. Bernards parish in NYC (now St. Bernards at Our Lady of Guadalupe) that had a letter attached from the pastor of the parish in Ireland certifying that the person was baptized in the Catholic Church. It included the specific location in Ireland! By the way, I can confirm that St. Bernards at Our Lady of Guadalupe has been very good at providing records of baptisms. Melanie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

Go to this site, click on film numbers, insert the number and it will bring you to that film. Yes they probably are the same as the groom's cards but then again - you never know! http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Happy Hunting, Ellen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

A great new website I just learned about, with information on general genealogy research plus Irish research is www.moughty.com Donna Moughty is a professional genealogist and she just started a blog on her website which contains great information, much of it from her lectures. I heard her speak at a genealogy conference and she was excellent. Very interesting and lots of practical advice. Her lectures on DVD are also available for sale. One tip she gave was to request any additional information when requesting parish records. She had an example (which is included in one of her blogs) of a marriage certificate from St. Bernards parish in NYC (now St. Bernards at Our Lady of Guadalupe) that had a letter attached from the pastor of the parish in Ireland certifying that the person was baptized in the Catholic Church. It included the specific location in Ireland! By the way, I can confirm that St. Bernards at Our Lady of Guadalupe has been very good at providing records of baptisms. Melanie

The Latter day Saints/Mormons have filmed many records around the world including NYC civil marriages. The card index should be the same as is available online a italiangen.org On Jan 4, 2008, at 9:10 AM, kelly 6424 wrote: > > Hello Ellen--What are these "LDS films" ?ThanksKelly> Date: Thu, 3 > Jan 2008 18:43:48 -0800> From: gem5955@yahoo.com> To: Irish-New- > York-City@rootsweb.com> Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Marriages Hells > Kitchen 1868-1871> > Have you tried to look in any of the LDS > films? I found the following for Manhattan> > Grooms Card > Indexes> 1523042> 1871 - R> 1869-1871 - S-Z> > 1522995> 1866-1868 > - A-Z> 1869-1871 - A-Q> 1869-70 - R> > Ellen> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________> Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all > with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, > please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ > Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html? > ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Ellen--What are these "LDS films" ?ThanksKelly> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:43:48 -0800> From: gem5955@yahoo.com> To: Irish-New-York-City@rootsweb.com> Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Marriages Hells Kitchen 1868-1871> > Have you tried to look in any of the LDS films? I found the following for Manhattan> > Grooms Card Indexes> 1523042> 1871 - R> 1869-1871 - S-Z> > 1522995> 1866-1868 - A-Z> 1869-1871 - A-Q> 1869-70 - R> > Ellen> > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008

Sorry, But my MARTIN's are my paternal side, married to DUGAN,LAHIFF,KERRIGAN<GALLIGER Joe -----Original Message----- From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BLACKDEER2@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:10 AM To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Catholic Parishes/19th Cen. Hell's Kitchen Marriages Hi Joe, Would you have a Michael Martin& Mary Tracy they had children John, Patrick,Thomas,Mary Catherine,Michael. Thank's George In a message dated 1/3/2008 9:19:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _jmnorthern@comc_ (mailto:jmnorthern@comc) ast.net writes: My entire martin side of the family grew up in hell's kitchen and grandfather was married in a catholic church on 91st and 8th aver. Joe -----Original Message----- From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cathy hatcher Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:57 PM To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Catholic Parishes/19th Cen. Hell's Kitchen Marriages Regarding Irish Catholic marriages in the Hell's Kitchen vicinity: does anyone know where else these couples could have been married? I am trying to locate a marriage somewhere between 1868 and 1871--it is not on Italiangen.org's database. Holy Cross was established to serve the Irish community in its neighborhood, it seems, so it surprises me that KMCT, below, could not find a record there. Cathy Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> wrote: They did not marry at Holy Cross, St. Raphael or Sacred Heart. There are other parishes in the area in Sacred Heart's care now but they were not married there either. My best bet is St. Michael on West 34th near where Peter first lived. Parish is most uncooperative one I have ever dealt with. I am leaning towards this is the place they wed and detail my working theory above. Hope this helps. www.penniesforpeace.org --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Ellen--after the conversation a few weeks ago about how to acquire records from LDS for $2 each, I copied down the number for the pertinent Register of Marriages microfilm roll to order on my next trip to the local FHC: I have added you numbers to my list! Much appreciated! Cathy Ellen <gem5955@yahoo.com> wrote: Have you tried to look in any of the LDS films? I found the following for Manhattan Grooms Card Indexes 1523042 1871 - R 1869-1871 - S-Z 1522995 1866-1868 - A-Z 1869-1871 - A-Q 1869-70 - R Ellen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message www.penniesforpeace.org --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

Have you tried to look in any of the LDS films? I found the following for Manhattan Grooms Card Indexes 1523042 1871 - R 1869-1871 - S-Z 1522995 1866-1868 - A-Z 1869-1871 - A-Q 1869-70 - R Ellen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

What is 'IGG' in your message? Could you give the on line URL. Thank you Georgia Lost in FL Message: 9 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:02:37 -0600 From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage Licenses To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <44FBF735-3EE1-4913-A124-A17E83F69BE5@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed A marriage certificate was issued by the Health Department from 1866-1937. The index is online at IGG. It was recorded after the wedding took place. The records are available through Muni Archives or the FHL. From 1853-1866(and through 1887) a marriage register was kept.(Yes from 1866-1887 there are two civil records although they have same information) It was a one line ledger book recording the information AFTER the wedding. It was the same records essentially as the certificates information wise between 1866-1887.(1888 groom index exists for ledgers but not the ledgers themselves) In 1908 marriage licenses were required before the wedding could take place. From 1908-1937 there are couples that have one or the other or both. These are not online or at the FHL. They do give more information especially if a divorce preceded the marriage. It gives better places of birth than other records too. These are at Muni Archives from 1908-1929 with an "index" too. Bets to have a date or at least a good guess. Staff will not look up without a date and EXPRESS request. If you don't specify they search Department of Health. Licenses were returned after the wedding with a signed certificate on back. It is three sides total, affidavit filled out by couple, license, and certificate filled in/signed by minister, couple and witnesses.

IGG-Italian Genealogical Group www.italiangen.org go to Databases(on left coulm of website) and search the free NYC civil records indexes as described along with other indexes as well. On Jan 3, 2008, at 4:05 PM, Georgia Evans wrote: > What is 'IGG' in your message? Could you give the on line URL. > > Thank you > Georgia > Lost in FL > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:02:37 -0600 > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage Licenses > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <44FBF735-3EE1-4913-A124-A17E83F69BE5@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > A marriage certificate was issued by the Health Department from > 1866-1937. The index is online at IGG. It was recorded after the > wedding took place. The records are available through Muni Archives > or the FHL. > > From 1853-1866(and through 1887) a marriage register was kept.(Yes > from 1866-1887 there are two civil records although they have same > information) It was a one line ledger book recording the information > AFTER the wedding. It was the same records essentially as the > certificates information wise between 1866-1887.(1888 groom index > exists for ledgers but not the ledgers themselves) > > In 1908 marriage licenses were required before the wedding could take > place. From 1908-1937 there are couples that have one or the other or > both. These are not online or at the FHL. They do give more > information especially if a divorce preceded the marriage. It gives > better places of birth than other records too. These are at Muni > Archives from 1908-1929 with an "index" too. Bets to have a date or > at least a good guess. Staff will not look up without a date and > EXPRESS request. If you don't specify they search Department of > Health. Licenses were returned after the wedding with a signed > certificate on back. It is three sides total, affidavit filled out by > couple, license, and certificate filled in/signed by minister, couple > and witnesses. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi- What's IGG and is it free? Thks Kate > From: kmct@earthlink.net > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:02:37 -0600 > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage Licenses > > A marriage certificate was issued by the Health Department from > 1866-1937. The index is online at IGG. It was recorded after the > wedding took place. The records are available through Muni Archives > or the FHL. > > From 1853-1866(and through 1887) a marriage register was kept.(Yes > from 1866-1887 there are two civil records although they have same > information) It was a one line ledger book recording the information > AFTER the wedding. It was the same records essentially as the > certificates information wise between 1866-1887.(1888 groom index > exists for ledgers but not the ledgers themselves) > > In 1908 marriage licenses were required before the wedding could take > place. From 1908-1937 there are couples that have one or the other or > both. These are not online or at the FHL. They do give more > information especially if a divorce preceded the marriage. It gives > better places of birth than other records too. These are at Muni > Archives from 1908-1929 with an "index" too. Bets to have a date or > at least a good guess. Staff will not look up without a date and > EXPRESS request. If you don't specify they search Department of > Health. Licenses were returned after the wedding with a signed > certificate on back. It is three sides total, affidavit filled out by > couple, license, and certificate filled in/signed by minister, couple > and witnesses. > > K > On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Erin Schuck wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I've been doing research in NYC and have received marriage certs > > and got great information from there. > > > > However, due to a post the other day, I'm intrigued. > > > > What is the difference between a NYC marriage License and NYC > > marriage registration/certificate? Where are these held? And did > > they have to get both or just one to get married? > > > > Thanks for your help! > > Erin > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > > Try it now. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/

A marriage certificate was issued by the Health Department from 1866-1937. The index is online at IGG. It was recorded after the wedding took place. The records are available through Muni Archives or the FHL. From 1853-1866(and through 1887) a marriage register was kept.(Yes from 1866-1887 there are two civil records although they have same information) It was a one line ledger book recording the information AFTER the wedding. It was the same records essentially as the certificates information wise between 1866-1887.(1888 groom index exists for ledgers but not the ledgers themselves) In 1908 marriage licenses were required before the wedding could take place. From 1908-1937 there are couples that have one or the other or both. These are not online or at the FHL. They do give more information especially if a divorce preceded the marriage. It gives better places of birth than other records too. These are at Muni Archives from 1908-1929 with an "index" too. Bets to have a date or at least a good guess. Staff will not look up without a date and EXPRESS request. If you don't specify they search Department of Health. Licenses were returned after the wedding with a signed certificate on back. It is three sides total, affidavit filled out by couple, license, and certificate filled in/signed by minister, couple and witnesses. K On Jan 3, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Erin Schuck wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've been doing research in NYC and have received marriage certs > and got great information from there. > > However, due to a post the other day, I'm intrigued. > > What is the difference between a NYC marriage License and NYC > marriage registration/certificate? Where are these held? And did > they have to get both or just one to get married? > > Thanks for your help! > Erin > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. > Try it now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Keep in mind when trying to find these marriage certificates, that most couples were married in the church the bride attended before marriage. Also, I was able to get information from St. John the Baptist on 210 West 31st Street in NYC. They were extremely helpful. Of eight other churches, only four responded tho' I sent the required donation. Good Luck In Your search. Dorothy **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Hi everyone, I've been doing research in NYC and have received marriage certs and got great information from there. However, due to a post the other day, I'm intrigued. What is the difference between a NYC marriage License and NYC marriage registration/certificate? Where are these held? And did they have to get both or just one to get married? Thanks for your help! Erin --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

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I am very sorry that I did not make myself clear I was asking if Joe had these names in his tree that's all I was looking for Thank you In a message dated 1/3/2008 10:23:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kmct@earthlink.net writes: When we send requests we need to make sure that they are as concise and informative as possible. What year might Martin-Tracy have been married? I have a copy of marriage register pages from the FHL for St. Raphael from 1886-1908. I don't recall seeing Joe offering any look ups. Poorly worded and shot gun requests with huge time periods is what is souring many of these parish secretaries and pastors to us. Please think first and type out a thoughtful request. Any idea when the first child was born or when the oldest child you have a date for was born? DATES are not optional they are needed. Even if only a range but you have to do your work first. On Jan 3, 2008, at 9:09 AM, BLACKDEER2@aol.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > Would you have a Michael Martin& Mary Tracy they had children John, > Patrick,Thomas,Mary Catherine,Michael. > Thank's George > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Hi Joe, Would you have a Michael Martin& Mary Tracy they had children John, Patrick,Thomas,Mary Catherine,Michael. Thank's George In a message dated 1/3/2008 9:19:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _jmnorthern@comc_ (mailto:jmnorthern@comc) ast.net writes: My entire martin side of the family grew up in hell's kitchen and grandfather was married in a catholic church on 91st and 8th aver. Joe -----Original Message----- From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cathy hatcher Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:57 PM To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Catholic Parishes/19th Cen. Hell's Kitchen Marriages Regarding Irish Catholic marriages in the Hell's Kitchen vicinity: does anyone know where else these couples could have been married? I am trying to locate a marriage somewhere between 1868 and 1871--it is not on Italiangen.org's database. Holy Cross was established to serve the Irish community in its neighborhood, it seems, so it surprises me that KMCT, below, could not find a record there. Cathy Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> wrote: They did not marry at Holy Cross, St. Raphael or Sacred Heart. There are other parishes in the area in Sacred Heart's care now but they were not married there either. My best bet is St. Michael on West 34th near where Peter first lived. Parish is most uncooperative one I have ever dealt with. I am leaning towards this is the place they wed and detail my working theory above. Hope this helps. www.penniesforpeace.org --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

When we send requests we need to make sure that they are as concise and informative as possible. What year might Martin-Tracy have been married? I have a copy of marriage register pages from the FHL for St. Raphael from 1886-1908. I don't recall seeing Joe offering any look ups. Poorly worded and shot gun requests with huge time periods is what is souring many of these parish secretaries and pastors to us. Please think first and type out a thoughtful request. Any idea when the first child was born or when the oldest child you have a date for was born? DATES are not optional they are needed. Even if only a range but you have to do your work first. On Jan 3, 2008, at 9:09 AM, BLACKDEER2@aol.com wrote: > Hi Joe, > Would you have a Michael Martin& Mary Tracy they had children John, > Patrick,Thomas,Mary Catherine,Michael. > Thank's George > > >

Sorry for the error. Regarding my previous post the church was Holy Name of Jesus RC Church, 207 W. 96th St., NY, NY 10025-6337 Performed By: John B. Britt Joe -----Original Message----- From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cathy hatcher Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:57 PM To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Catholic Parishes/19th Cen. Hell's Kitchen Marriages Regarding Irish Catholic marriages in the Hell's Kitchen vicinity: does anyone know where else these couples could have been married? I am trying to locate a marriage somewhere between 1868 and 1871--it is not on Italiangen.org's database. Holy Cross was established to serve the Irish community in its neighborhood, it seems, so it surprises me that KMCT, below, could not find a record there. Cathy Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> wrote: They did not marry at Holy Cross, St. Raphael or Sacred Heart. There are other parishes in the area in Sacred Heart's care now but they were not married there either. My best bet is St. Michael on West 34th near where Peter first lived. Parish is most uncooperative one I have ever dealt with. I am leaning towards this is the place they wed and detail my working theory above. Hope this helps. www.penniesforpeace.org --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My entire martin side of the family grew up in hell's kitchen and grandfather was married in a catholic church on 91st and 8th aver. Joe -----Original Message----- From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cathy hatcher Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 9:57 PM To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Catholic Parishes/19th Cen. Hell's Kitchen Marriages Regarding Irish Catholic marriages in the Hell's Kitchen vicinity: does anyone know where else these couples could have been married? I am trying to locate a marriage somewhere between 1868 and 1871--it is not on Italiangen.org's database. Holy Cross was established to serve the Irish community in its neighborhood, it seems, so it surprises me that KMCT, below, could not find a record there. Cathy Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> wrote: They did not marry at Holy Cross, St. Raphael or Sacred Heart. There are other parishes in the area in Sacred Heart's care now but they were not married there either. My best bet is St. Michael on West 34th near where Peter first lived. Parish is most uncooperative one I have ever dealt with. I am leaning towards this is the place they wed and detail my working theory above. Hope this helps. www.penniesforpeace.org --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message