I searched from 9/1/1886(start of register through end of 1888 and did not find Donnelly-Stanislaus(sp). Kevin On Jan 9, 2008, at 7:52 AM, yvonne1 wrote: > Hi Kevin, > If you are still looking up marriage records could you look up: > Andrew > Donnelly married Catherine Staneslaus > could be around 1886. > > Thank you. > Yvonne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen" <mcshelly2@msn.com> > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael > > >> Are these NYC records? Or some other city? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy >> To: iriSH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:20 AM >> Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael >> >> >> Happy New Year >> >> I would be willing to search my xerox records from the FHL. If you >> have a marriage between September 1886- the end of 1908, send me the >> names and I can tell you if they married there. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Kevin, If you are still looking up marriage records could you look up: Andrew Donnelly married Catherine Staneslaus could be around 1886. Thank you. Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen" <mcshelly2@msn.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael > Are these NYC records? Or some other city? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy > To: iriSH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:20 AM > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael > > > Happy New Year > > I would be willing to search my xerox records from the FHL. If you > have a marriage between September 1886- the end of 1908, send me the > names and I can tell you if they married there. > > Kevin > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

As a follow-up...these are from the Sorenson site. Searching for your roots and finding new connections through molecular genealogy is an exciting prospect. Your contribution adds another piece to the puzzle and helps you and others make family connections when existing genealogical records alone may not be enough. Searching the mtDatabase allows us to find cousins who may be connected across generations and around the world. Other individuals with exact matches may share a common ancestor, though it can be difficult to determine how far in the past that common ancestor may have lived without the genealogical information found in pedigree charts. To search the Sorenson mtDatabase, simply go to the mtSearch page and follow the instructions on the screen. You may enter mtDNA results obtained from any commercial lab. If you have not participated in the SMGF project, we invite you to add your DNA results and pedigree chart to the Sorenson Database by Requesting a Participation Kit. Frank McCullough Frank McCullough wrote: >The way I read it is they don't contact you...I am assuming you can get >your results through the account you set up. > >In all honesty Nora, I don't care if anybody has it done...I simply >passed this along for it's value as "information only". > >Frank McCullough > > >Irishcolleen45@aol.com wrote: > > > >>Frank, >> >>What's the point of getting this done? I thought Sorenson Labs was changing >>its methods but it says you don't get results. >> >>Yes, I do have mine. >> >> >>Nora Hopkins FitzGerald >>Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City >>Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC >> >> >> >>In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:23:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>_frank@ap.net_ (mailto:frank@ap.net) writes: >> >> >>Sorenson Labs is doing a free Mitochondrial DNA test. They do require >>you to submit a 4 generation family tree. Anyone who is interested about >>it can visit their website & decide for themselves... >> >>http://www.smgf.org/ >> >>and >> >>http://www.smgf.org/pages/request_kit.jspx >> >> >>You can copy & paste the above URLs into your browser. >> >> >>Frank McCullough >> >> >> >> >> >> >>**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >>http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

The way I read it is they don't contact you...I am assuming you can get your results through the account you set up. In all honesty Nora, I don't care if anybody has it done...I simply passed this along for it's value as "information only". Frank McCullough Irishcolleen45@aol.com wrote: >Frank, > >What's the point of getting this done? I thought Sorenson Labs was changing >its methods but it says you don't get results. > >Yes, I do have mine. > > >Nora Hopkins FitzGerald >Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City >Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC > > > >In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:23:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >_frank@ap.net_ (mailto:frank@ap.net) writes: > > >Sorenson Labs is doing a free Mitochondrial DNA test. They do require >you to submit a 4 generation family tree. Anyone who is interested about >it can visit their website & decide for themselves... > >http://www.smgf.org/ > >and > >http://www.smgf.org/pages/request_kit.jspx > > >You can copy & paste the above URLs into your browser. > > >Frank McCullough > > > > > > >**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

About the 1855 NYC census, yes, the Family History Library does have microfilms of various wards, on 15 films, numbered 1018651 thru 1018665. Go to website for FHL _http://www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) then click on tab for Family History Library, then click on spot where it reads Library Catalog, you will then see page, where you can search for films or fiche by title, author, subject, location, keyword, film or fiche number. You can print out what you want to order and take that to a local FHC where most of the films and fiche can be ordered in to local library for a fee. Good searching ! **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

He did check and she was not listed. While not everyone is listed it is surprising how many times my working class people did appear. > She may have decided not to list in the directory any longer, > having little or no use for strangers being able to find her in her > advanced age. Not everyone did list in these directories. My Irish > immigrant ancestors did not list at all. Mostly, those who listed > were professionals and merchants, i.e. those looking for business. > It cost money to be listed (you had to buy the book in order to be > listed in it, and the book fee included your listing fee). > > She may have gone to live with an adult child or grandchild at her > advanced age .... or remarried .... or gone to a retirement home or > an old people's home, as they were called. > > Why don't you look for her in the death index on the Italian Gen > Web and see if she is there anywhere. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chuck Wright > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 2:16 PM > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 > > > I am searching for any definitive information on one of my > gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I > know she > was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has > her last > in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not > appear at > all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in > Manhattan > in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her > parents > were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her > children, > I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles > probably > died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of > household.

She may have decided not to list in the directory any longer, having little or no use for strangers being able to find her in her advanced age. Not everyone did list in these directories. My Irish immigrant ancestors did not list at all. Mostly, those who listed were professionals and merchants, i.e. those looking for business. It cost money to be listed (you had to buy the book in order to be listed in it, and the book fee included your listing fee). She may have gone to live with an adult child or grandchild at her advanced age .... or remarried .... or gone to a retirement home or an old people's home, as they were called. Why don't you look for her in the death index on the Italian Gen Web and see if she is there anywhere. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Wright To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 I am searching for any definitive information on one of my gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I know she was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her last in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in Manhattan in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her parents were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her children, I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of household. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 12/31/2007 9:08:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mcshelly2@msn.com writes: I found weddings and deaths of my NYC Irish ancestors on Italian Gen. They have a wonderful resource and I suggest that everyone go to their web site and volunteer at something that is already "up and going so well." =========================== This site has been a great help to me. I was not able to volunteer, so I sent a donation instead to help with their costs. Dee **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

How, may I ask, can I look at the 1855 ".special" New York City census? I live in North Carolina. I have never seen evidence of this being available through the LDS church library. Is there another avenue available to me? Genie in Raleigh ----- Original Message ----- From: <irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:18 AM Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Passenger Lists (Michelle and Kevin Cassidy) > 2. Re: Passenger Lists - Today? (Rootsmurphy@aol.com) > 3. Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 (Chuck Wright) > 4. Re: Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 (Michelle and Kevin Cassidy) > 5. Re: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 12 > (GwenM10100@aol.com) > 6. Re: Passenger Lists (Patricia Heffernan) > 7. Re: Passenger Lists (Patricia Heffernan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:11:02 -0600 > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <943753C8-A025-4C51-863D-8FA41FA586CD@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:37:54 EST > From: Rootsmurphy@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists - Today? > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bc1.24ccf8bd.34b3a152@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Sounds like a good idea...even today! > > --------------------------- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------------------ > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------- > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:16:06 -0500 > From: "Chuck Wright" <cww@Reese-Carney.com> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <DD0F22852CFAC141B2D8FDF7AC00742C06B32B@REESE-EXCHANGE.Reese-Carney.local> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am searching for any definitive information on one of my > gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I know she > was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her last > in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at > all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in Manhattan > in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her parents > were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her children, > I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably > died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of household. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:00:44 -0600 > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <825309E1-2FBC-49B3-9AB8-5F5A50215EB6@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > While the index online begins only in 1891, there were death records > before that. From Aug 1888-1895(FHL has this period on one roll of > film) forward is indexed in a typed book format. There were also card > indexes created. Check the Family History Library(FHL) out at > familysearch.org > > You can rent a film from them for $5.50 and perhaps find her death > there. > > Good luck. > > > On Jan 7, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Chuck Wright wrote: > >> I am searching for any definitive information on one of my >> gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I >> know she >> was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her >> last >> in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at >> all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in >> Manhattan >> in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her >> parents >> were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her >> children, >> I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably >> died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of >> household. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- >> YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:12:03 EST > From: GwenM10100@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 12 > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cd4.219bd0a5.34b419d3@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 1/7/2008 3:19:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com writes: > >> My point is that make sure you mention that you would like any written >> info >> >> if you do write to Ireland. >> >> When writing, if you have some concrete indication that the person you >> want > the certificate for really did have a connection to that particular > parish, not > just their names, then do include it. That would include members of the > family or close friends having had births or marriages there or the church > is next > door to their residence, or newspaper clippings of family events there. > Anything to indicate you are not just desperately "fishing" and making the > request > on a faint chance, it will be more likely to produce results that way. > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:00:34 -0500 > From: "Patricia Heffernan" <Patricia@Heffcomm.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00d901c851ab$053e8520$0700a8c0@HeffComm.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My husband's ggrandmother, Filomena (di Palma) Papaccio and her two > children > were detained in 1906, waiting for her husband to pick them up. The list > of > detained aliens appears at the end of the passenger list at Ancestry.com. > Most of the detained passengers are females and their children waiting for > male relatives to come for them. > Patricia > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New York > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle > and > Kevin Cassidy > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:11 AM > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:04:47 -0500 > From: "Patricia Heffernan" <Patricia@Heffcomm.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00da01c851ab$9be961c0$0700a8c0@HeffComm.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My grandmother, Tyra Fagerholm, was detained in 1913 at Ellis Island, but > she was met by her Aunt Mary Johnson, so I guess it didn't have to be a > male > relative by 1913. > > Patricia > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New York > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison > > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle > and > Kevin Cassidy > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:11 AM > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list administrator, send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY mailing list, send an email > to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > ************************************************** >

Sorenson Labs is doing a free Mitochondrial DNA test. They do require you to submit a 4 generation family tree. Anyone who is interested about it can visit their website & decide for themselves... http://www.smgf.org/ and http://www.smgf.org/pages/request_kit.jspx You can copy & paste the above URLs into your browser. Frank McCullough

My grandmother, Tyra Fagerholm, was detained in 1913 at Ellis Island, but she was met by her Aunt Mary Johnson, so I guess it didn't have to be a male relative by 1913. Patricia Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New York http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison -----Original Message----- From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle and Kevin Cassidy Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:11 AM To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when this changed.) Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they filmed for the National Archives films? Thanks! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My husband's ggrandmother, Filomena (di Palma) Papaccio and her two children were detained in 1906, waiting for her husband to pick them up. The list of detained aliens appears at the end of the passenger list at Ancestry.com. Most of the detained passengers are females and their children waiting for male relatives to come for them. Patricia Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New York http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison -----Original Message----- From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle and Kevin Cassidy Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:11 AM To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when this changed.) Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they filmed for the National Archives films? Thanks! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 1/7/2008 3:19:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com writes: > My point is that make sure you mention that you would like any written info > > if you do write to Ireland. > > When writing, if you have some concrete indication that the person you want the certificate for really did have a connection to that particular parish, not just their names, then do include it. That would include members of the family or close friends having had births or marriages there or the church is next door to their residence, or newspaper clippings of family events there. Anything to indicate you are not just desperately "fishing" and making the request on a faint chance, it will be more likely to produce results that way. ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

I am searching for any definitive information on one of my gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I know she was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her last in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in Manhattan in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her parents were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her children, I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of household.

While the index online begins only in 1891, there were death records before that. From Aug 1888-1895(FHL has this period on one roll of film) forward is indexed in a typed book format. There were also card indexes created. Check the Family History Library(FHL) out at familysearch.org You can rent a film from them for $5.50 and perhaps find her death there. Good luck. On Jan 7, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Chuck Wright wrote: > I am searching for any definitive information on one of my > gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I > know she > was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her > last > in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at > all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in > Manhattan > in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her > parents > were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her > children, > I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably > died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of > household. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sounds like a good idea...even today! --------------------------- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------------------ I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when this changed.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------- **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when this changed.) Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they filmed for the National Archives films? Thanks!

Happy Sunday to All, I came across this article and thought it was worthy information to share. Kathleen~CT. Top 5 Ways to Ensure That Your Email Will be Answered ~~ by Kimberly Powell, Professional Genealogist. ( _http://genealogy.about.com/od/help/tp/email_tips.htm?nl=1_ (http://genealogy.about.com/od/help/tp/email_tips.htm?nl=1) ) 1. Keep it Simple When contacting someone by email, especially if they don't know who you are, the best thing you can do is keep it simple. Explain who you are and how you are related to the person or family you are contacting them about. Briefly explain your interest in family history. If appropriate, pass on greetings from the relative or researcher who has put you in touch. Don't overwhelm the recipient with questions or your entire family tree in this first email. Consider it an introduction to your conversation. 2. Make the Subject Line Count People are so swamped with email these days, especially spam, that they often scan the subject lines for important emails and just delete the rest unopened. Subject lines such as "hello" may just not be opened. I often include the full name or surname of the specific ancestor that I'm writing about. If the individual you're emailing shares the same family name, however, be sure to include words like genealogy. A subject line such as "Mascarelli Genealogy" is more likely to get someone's attention than a simple "Hello." 3. Breaking the Language Barrier If the person you're contacting does not speak your language, then see if you can find someone who does to help you compose your email. If you're not sure, then you may want to send the email in both languages - your native language and theirs. Language translation sites can help in a pinch. Use simple words and phrases in your email to help increase the chance that they will be translated correctly. Check and correct key facts such as names and dates before you send. Sometimes they may be translated as well! 4. Be Diplomatic Once you've made contact, you may find that the individual has a few reservations about sharing information. Tell them it would be helpful to obtain even a few basic facts and reassure them of your discretion. If they refuse to share information, don't press them. See _5 Ways to Encourage People to Share_ (http://genealogy.about.com/od/help/a/sharing.htm) ( _http://genealogy.about.com/od/help/a/sharing.htm_ (http://genealogy.about.com/od/help/a/sharing.htm) )for more tips on dealing with people's apprehensions with sharing family information. 5. Express Your Thanks When people take time to share with you, the least you can do is take time to email them back and express your thanks. It can be easy to get excited over the new information and just leave that email hanging around in your "to do" pile. It is also nice to keep them posted on the progress of your research going forward. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Some churches in Ireland note the marriage of those who were baptized there as well. I found my paternal uncle's marriage date and place of marriage along with his wife maiden name written along side his baptism entry. Of course, I could have asked my cousin about her parents (which I did). LOL My point is that make sure you mention that you would like any written info if you do write to Ireland. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 1/6/2008 3:19:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _megan@cfl.rr.com_ (mailto:megan@cfl.rr.com) writes: A great new website I just learned about, with information on general genealogy research plus Irish research is www.moughty.com Donna Moughty is a professional genealogist and she just started a blog on her website which contains great information, much of it from her lectures. I heard her speak at a genealogy conference and she was excellent. Very interesting and lots of practical advice. Her lectures on DVD are also available for sale. One tip she gave was to request any additional information when requesting parish records. She had an example (which is included in one of her blogs) of a marriage certificate from St. Bernards parish in NYC (now St. Bernards at Our Lady of Guadalupe) that had a letter attached from the pastor of the parish in Ireland certifying that the person was baptized in the Catholic Church. It included the specific location in Ireland! By the way, I can confirm that St. Bernards at Our Lady of Guadalupe has been very good at providing records of baptisms. Melanie **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

One thing about baptismal notations is that they are not consistent in the earlier records. My understanding is that Vatican I in 1870 called for the cross referencing of baptisms to the other sacraments. I don't think notations started any earlier than 1900. However, several of my ancestors' and their collateral relations do not have these notations. My one 1919 wedding is not noted at Grandma's baptismal at St. Raphael. She married at Ascension. However we are usually so lucky to get any certificate that we don't think that there might be more like a matrimonia mixta comment or a dispensation needed for cousins or addresses after 1908. Grandma's aunt married at Ascension in 1920 and the notes said she was baptized at Clogher, Co. Tyrone in July 1871. The civil birth records say Aunt Biddy was born in Sep 1866. Her older brother was born and baptized in March 1864 but the birth certificate was for May 1864(born at age 2 months already baptized) and registered in June 1864. I am trying to verify that Aunt Biddy was baptized in Jul 1866 and then late registered for birth in Sep 1866 to avoid the fine. It seems that the pastor in 1920 at Ascension did not actually get a baptismal certificate but a testimony because I find it hard to believe that a Catholic would be baptized at age almost 5 when there was a priest readily available in Clogher at that time. Not saying it was not possible just improbable. We shall see when her baptismal entry is searched for again(ugh). Thanks Melanie for that site it did look good. On Jan 5, 2008, at 5:18 AM, user917826@aol.com wrote: > Melanie, this is a wonderful site! Thanks!! > > Bev W > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Melanie Egan <megan@cfl.rr.com> > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Sent: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 9:56 pm > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] General Genealogy Information > > > > A great new website I just learned about, with information on general > genealogy research plus Irish research is www.moughty.com > Donna Moughty is a professional genealogist and she just started a > blog on > her website which contains great information, much of it from her > lectures. > I heard her speak at a genealogy conference and she was excellent. > Very > interesting and lots of practical advice. Her lectures on DVD are > also > available for sale. > > One tip she gave was to request any additional information when > requesting > parish records. She had an example (which is included in one of > her blogs) > of a marriage certificate from St. Bernards parish in NYC (now St. > Bernards > at Our Lady of Guadalupe) that had a letter attached from the > pastor of the > parish in Ireland certifying that the person was baptized in the > Catholic > Church. It included the specific location in Ireland! > > By the way, I can confirm that St. Bernards at Our Lady of > Guadalupe has > been very good at providing records of baptisms. > > Melanie > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > the message > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > __ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http:// > webmail.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message