In a message dated 1/10/2008 11:18:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, frank@ap.net writes: I did have a relatively close match with someone...a reasonably good chance that we are connected 10-15 generations back...surprisingly, it was the brother-in-law of a subscriber to this list.!! The one who actually suggested I get the test. ********************************************************* I found with only the 12-marker test that the results don't seem to help much. It's been explained that they are more useful if you want to compare two people with he same last names to see if they might have come from the same family. However, they more people who take the test, the better chance we have of connecting with someone. Dee (Researching Rolston/Rollston/Cendenning/Ennis) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

In a message dated 1/10/2008 7:43:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, coatsgenie@nc.rr.com writes: what do you think of the DNA test National Geographic is offering? ************************************************************************ I had this done last year and the actual testing is done by Family Tree DNA. I think in the very beginning National Geographic might have offered free testing to get their data base going. They are mapping the migration roots of our ancestors which are traced back to Africa. They send you a very interesting video of a show that aired about the research plus charts. After that your name is in the Family Tree DNA data base. The second test I had done, I went directly through the Family Tree DNA site. Dee **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Thank you for the info, Michelle and Kevin. While I've been researching for over thirty years including NYC, I always find something new with these postings. I did not know about the info with the Poor houses nor about Footnote.com. Thanks again. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 1/14/2008 3:20:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _kmct@earthlink.net_ (mailto:kmct@earthlink.net) writes: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:38:55 -0600 From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy Could people list strategies that work for them researching NYC families? I try to start with death records because you have an event in time that will be recorded at the municipal archive, the cemetery and the funeral home. There might be an obituary or a memorial card to start with as well. Everyone dies. The obituary might list relatives both living and deceased along with birth and marriage dates and major events. The cemetery provides a possible connection to other dead people. People are buried in groups generally and one would not expect to have a John Brown in a plot unless he is related or connected somehow. Calvary in particular has been helpful in my search. Knowing who purchased the grave and when is a big help. Death certificates are great but often can be incorrect. Be careful not to be a literalist because if a mistake is made in names of ancestors it is most likely to be on the death certificate. Don't dismiss it but look to verify it. My ancestor was the last of the immigrant siblings to immigrate. His death certificate said his parents were Michael Cassidy and Mary Rabey. His spinster sister died three months earlier and hers said Michael Cassidy and Mary Ravey. The middle brother died in 1908 and his said John Cassidy and Mary Ravey. The youngest brother died in 1905 and it said Michael Cassidy and Mary Reavey(might be Rooney). The records in Newry, County Down verified Michael Cassidy and Mary Reavey as the parents' names. Using four records can correct discrepancies. My next big record is the census both federal and state/local. A person may not show up every census but they usually show up enough to provide a detailed picture of age and family structure. It also helps along with city directories to know where they lived and what parish they might have attended. Surprise family members in the census can be key. Next is using the IGI at Family Search. Doing a parent search for both North America/NY and British Isles/Ireland has provided extra dates and addresses for ancestors and collaterals. Check the Italian Genealogical Group site at italiangen.org These NYC vital records indexes are most helpful tracking people that pop up unexpectedly in a census or other record. This fleshes out the tree and expedites the tree. They have other records there as well. Church records are a last resort. Often challenging to obtain but sometimes worth the wait and expense. Sponsors and witnesses are key. Nice for completion to have full dates. Make sure to ask for full notations and send a SASE and a donation. They will let you know if it was not enough. Some will send info along and mention that your donation was short. Please send in the difference to maintain goodwill for you and the rest of us. Poor house records gave detailed information. I am still trying to find a gentleman entering the poor house. If I can see his card it will verify his parents' names and give the name of his closest kin at that date. This will verify who was his kid and when they were last known to be living. Online databases can be helpful too. Footnote.com has many Naturalization records online and you can search for ones where your ancestor was not only the new citizen but the witness sometimes telling you the address. Use birth dates to track relatives that died in the Social Security Death index. I found my grandmother's cousin because I knew her birth date from the church records. There was a burial in the family grave in 1984. I put in birth date and a death in 1984 and 17 names were pulled. The last one was a name that was her. With a death date one can get an obituary searched in the locality and sent over the e-mail sometimes. Then one can contact living members possibly and try to compare notes. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Could people list strategies that work for them researching NYC families? I try to start with death records because you have an event in time that will be recorded at the municipal archive, the cemetery and the funeral home. There might be an obituary or a memorial card to start with as well. Everyone dies. The obituary might list relatives both living and deceased along with birth and marriage dates and major events. The cemetery provides a possible connection to other dead people. People are buried in groups generally and one would not expect to have a John Brown in a plot unless he is related or connected somehow. Calvary in particular has been helpful in my search. Knowing who purchased the grave and when is a big help. Death certificates are great but often can be incorrect. Be careful not to be a literalist because if a mistake is made in names of ancestors it is most likely to be on the death certificate. Don't dismiss it but look to verify it. My ancestor was the last of the immigrant siblings to immigrate. His death certificate said his parents were Michael Cassidy and Mary Rabey. His spinster sister died three months earlier and hers said Michael Cassidy and Mary Ravey. The middle brother died in 1908 and his said John Cassidy and Mary Ravey. The youngest brother died in 1905 and it said Michael Cassidy and Mary Reavey(might be Rooney). The records in Newry, County Down verified Michael Cassidy and Mary Reavey as the parents' names. Using four records can correct discrepancies. My next big record is the census both federal and state/local. A person may not show up every census but they usually show up enough to provide a detailed picture of age and family structure. It also helps along with city directories to know where they lived and what parish they might have attended. Surprise family members in the census can be key. Next is using the IGI at Family Search. Doing a parent search for both North America/NY and British Isles/Ireland has provided extra dates and addresses for ancestors and collaterals. Check the Italian Genealogical Group site at italiangen.org These NYC vital records indexes are most helpful tracking people that pop up unexpectedly in a census or other record. This fleshes out the tree and expedites the tree. They have other records there as well. Church records are a last resort. Often challenging to obtain but sometimes worth the wait and expense. Sponsors and witnesses are key. Nice for completion to have full dates. Make sure to ask for full notations and send a SASE and a donation. They will let you know if it was not enough. Some will send info along and mention that your donation was short. Please send in the difference to maintain goodwill for you and the rest of us. Poor house records gave detailed information. I am still trying to find a gentleman entering the poor house. If I can see his card it will verify his parents' names and give the name of his closest kin at that date. This will verify who was his kid and when they were last known to be living. Online databases can be helpful too. Footnote.com has many Naturalization records online and you can search for ones where your ancestor was not only the new citizen but the witness sometimes telling you the address. Use birth dates to track relatives that died in the Social Security Death index. I found my grandmother's cousin because I knew her birth date from the church records. There was a burial in the family grave in 1984. I put in birth date and a death in 1984 and 17 names were pulled. The last one was a name that was her. With a death date one can get an obituary searched in the locality and sent over the e-mail sometimes. Then one can contact living members possibly and try to compare notes.

> FROM...http://www.thegenealogist.com/art1.htm > > "In the passenger lists, at the end of the actual lists of passengers there > are two different forms. One deals with those who had to go through a Board > of Inquiry. The other is a list of those who were detained." ======= From: http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Tjk_Vmz7JPoJ:www.cdlaw.com/academic/guide s/immigration/ins/insa3.asp+Detained+female+immigrants+Ellis+Island&hl=en& ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us&ie=UTF-8 Immigration and Natrualization...focusing on Ellis Island Pattyvwh@heffcomm.net writes: > I think they were detained right at Ellis Island. The lists of detained > passengers are at the end of the manifests. Some were detained for illness, > some were apparently deported. > > Patricia ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

I think they were detained right at Ellis Island. The lists of detained passengers are at the end of the manifests. Some were detained for illness, some were apparently deported. Patricia -----Original Message----- From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Murphy Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:12 PM To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRISH-NYC] females alone Your mention of females traveling alone and being detained could explain the many times I have viewed ship manifests from New York Harbor in which there was a "check" mark beside every female who appeared alone or without male companions. I never knew about their detention until mentioned on this list. Indeed it would be good to know how to access such lists. Anyone know WHERE they were detained? Location of records? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: <irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:18 AM Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Passenger Lists (Michelle and Kevin Cassidy) > 2. Re: Passenger Lists - Today? (Rootsmurphy@aol.com) > 3. Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 (Chuck Wright) > 4. Re: Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 (Michelle and Kevin Cassidy) > 5. Re: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 12 > (GwenM10100@aol.com) > 6. Re: Passenger Lists (Patricia Heffernan) > 7. Re: Passenger Lists (Patricia Heffernan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:11:02 -0600 > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <943753C8-A025-4C51-863D-8FA41FA586CD@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:37:54 EST > From: Rootsmurphy@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists - Today? > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bc1.24ccf8bd.34b3a152@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Sounds like a good idea...even today! > > --------------------------- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------------------ > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------- > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:16:06 -0500 > From: "Chuck Wright" <cww@Reese-Carney.com> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <DD0F22852CFAC141B2D8FDF7AC00742C06B32B@REESE-EXCHANGE.Reese-Carney.local> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am searching for any definitive information on one of my > gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I know she > was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her last > in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at > all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in Manhattan > in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her parents > were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her children, > I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably > died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of household. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:00:44 -0600 > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <825309E1-2FBC-49B3-9AB8-5F5A50215EB6@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > While the index online begins only in 1891, there were death records > before that. From Aug 1888-1895(FHL has this period on one roll of > film) forward is indexed in a typed book format. There were also card > indexes created. Check the Family History Library(FHL) out at > familysearch.org > > You can rent a film from them for $5.50 and perhaps find her death > there. > > Good luck. > > > On Jan 7, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Chuck Wright wrote: > >> I am searching for any definitive information on one of my >> gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I >> know she >> was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her >> last >> in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at >> all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in >> Manhattan >> in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her >> parents >> were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her >> children, >> I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably >> died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of >> household. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- >> YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:12:03 EST > From: GwenM10100@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 12 > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cd4.219bd0a5.34b419d3@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 1/7/2008 3:19:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com writes: > >> My point is that make sure you mention that you would like any written >> info >> >> if you do write to Ireland. >> >> When writing, if you have some concrete indication that the person you >> want > the certificate for really did have a connection to that particular > parish, not > just their names, then do include it. That would include members of the > family or close friends having had births or marriages there or the church > is next > door to their residence, or newspaper clippings of family events there. > Anything to indicate you are not just desperately "fishing" and making the > request > on a faint chance, it will be more likely to produce results that way. > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:00:34 -0500 > From: "Patricia Heffernan" <Patricia@Heffcomm.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00d901c851ab$053e8520$0700a8c0@HeffComm.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My husband's ggrandmother, Filomena (di Palma) Papaccio and her two > children > were detained in 1906, waiting for her husband to pick them up. The list > of > detained aliens appears at the end of the passenger list at Ancestry.com. > Most of the detained passengers are females and their children waiting for > male relatives to come for them. > Patricia > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New York > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle > and > Kevin Cassidy > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:11 AM > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:04:47 -0500 > From: "Patricia Heffernan" <Patricia@Heffcomm.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00da01c851ab$9be961c0$0700a8c0@HeffComm.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My grandmother, Tyra Fagerholm, was detained in 1913 at Ellis Island, but > she was met by her Aunt Mary Johnson, so I guess it didn't have to be a > male > relative by 1913. > > Patricia > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New York > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison > > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle > and > Kevin Cassidy > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:11 AM > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. 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Hi, If you mean the actual book, no I have not seen it. I could kick myself because I did have the opportunity to look at the original book while at the parish house in Parke in 2003. I have reviewed the entry by using the LDS microfilm. There was no additional info in the margins. This was in Parke Turlough Civil Parish County Mayo. Are you saying there would be a record (if there is one) in the Diocesan office in Tuam, Co. Mayo (where the diocesan office would be located)? The marriage took place in 1892. Thanks. I may check that out or have my Irish cousins check that out. Nora PS Colleen is not my name just part of my e-mail address In a message dated 1/10/2008 10:45:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _kmct@earthlink.net_ (mailto:kmct@earthlink.net) writes: Colleen, Have you seen the actual register? There may be a notation that they missed it or chose to ignore it when they issued a certificate. Also check with the diocesan office. Dispensations were/are granted by the bishop. They should have a record there. I know I have a copy of my ancestors' dispensation from the bishop in 1929. This was a family record I did not get it from the chancery. They were related in the third degree. They were second cousins. Their parents the first cousins were born on adjacent townlands in County Cork. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Please everyone, especially newbies like I still am, PLEASE CHANGE THE SUBJECT FROM IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol xx, Issue xx when you Reply. If you don't, those of us in overload, but who might be interested if we knew the subject, may not read your message. Just as important, PLEASE, delete all unnecessary parts of the quoted messages. They impede reading the new stuff. I'm a newbie, and these two rules aren't hard to execute. Please help us all to get more out of the messages. Best wishes to all in your Irish research William Lyons, Smyrna GA Please reply to wlyons.math56@gtalumni.org

I was told it is on the last page of the ship's manifest. dmurphy595@wildblue.net writes: > Anyone know WHERE they were detained? > > Location of records? > ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Someone could ask the parameters by emailing Do they pay donators, as the do for blood? haha Time, frank@ap.net writes: > > The way I read it is they don't contact you...I am assuming you can get > your results through the account you set up. > > In all honesty Nora, I don't care if anybody has it done...I simply > passed this along for it's value as "information only". > > Frank McCullough ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

If they handle the testing anything like they handled my order for Christmas toys and games for my far-away grandchildren, all I can say is WATCH OUT! I called them to correct various shipping errors between 20-25 times after placing the order the first week of November, and they still haven't gotten two items to the right address ..... along with many items multiple times to wrong addresses! Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: MJ Mann To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] DNA - was Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 On Jan 10, 2008 7:42 AM, Genie Coats <coatsgenie@nc.rr.com> wrote: > Frank, what do you think of the DNA test National Geographic is offering? A > few of my friends who do genealogical research only over the computer take > the test results as gospel. I'm not so sure it might just be a scam, > > Genie Hi 'Genie', I'm not Frank. <g> I haven't really gotten bitten by the DNA bug yet. I did see this posted on another list: >>While the National Geographic Society does head up the project, they do not do the testing. That is, they may collect the samples necessary for the study, but they do not do the laboratory work involved. They use the FamilyTreeDNA laboratory to process the samples.<< Since this lab is one of the 'big' ones in DNA world, that means that IMHO ..... it's not a scam. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Your mention of females traveling alone and being detained could explain the many times I have viewed ship manifests from New York Harbor in which there was a "check" mark beside every female who appeared alone or without male companions. I never knew about their detention until mentioned on this list. Indeed it would be good to know how to access such lists. Anyone know WHERE they were detained? Location of records? Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: <irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 3:18 AM Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Passenger Lists (Michelle and Kevin Cassidy) > 2. Re: Passenger Lists - Today? (Rootsmurphy@aol.com) > 3. Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 (Chuck Wright) > 4. Re: Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 (Michelle and Kevin Cassidy) > 5. Re: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 12 > (GwenM10100@aol.com) > 6. Re: Passenger Lists (Patricia Heffernan) > 7. Re: Passenger Lists (Patricia Heffernan) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:11:02 -0600 > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <943753C8-A025-4C51-863D-8FA41FA586CD@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:37:54 EST > From: Rootsmurphy@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists - Today? > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bc1.24ccf8bd.34b3a152@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Sounds like a good idea...even today! > > --------------------------- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ------------------------ > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------- > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:16:06 -0500 > From: "Chuck Wright" <cww@Reese-Carney.com> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <DD0F22852CFAC141B2D8FDF7AC00742C06B32B@REESE-EXCHANGE.Reese-Carney.local> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am searching for any definitive information on one of my > gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I know she > was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her last > in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at > all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in Manhattan > in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her parents > were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her children, > I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably > died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of household. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 15:00:44 -0600 > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Agnes M. Gamble 1810 -1890 > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <825309E1-2FBC-49B3-9AB8-5F5A50215EB6@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > While the index online begins only in 1891, there were death records > before that. From Aug 1888-1895(FHL has this period on one roll of > film) forward is indexed in a typed book format. There were also card > indexes created. Check the Family History Library(FHL) out at > familysearch.org > > You can rent a film from them for $5.50 and perhaps find her death > there. > > Good luck. > > > On Jan 7, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Chuck Wright wrote: > >> I am searching for any definitive information on one of my >> gggrandmothers, Agnes M. Gamble. From the 1880 Federal Census I >> know she >> was born in NYC in 1810 (+/1 a year). Trow's NYC Directory has her >> last >> in 1889 living at 18 Bedford Street, Manhattan. She does not appear at >> all in the IGG death index. My conclusion is that she died in >> Manhattan >> in 1890 (+/1 a year). The census information is that both of her >> parents >> were born in Ireland. From a death certificate of one of her >> children, >> I know that her husband's name was Charles Eagleson. Charles probably >> died before 1850 because the 1850 census has Agnes as head of >> household. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- >> YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:12:03 EST > From: GwenM10100@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 12 > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <cd4.219bd0a5.34b419d3@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 1/7/2008 3:19:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, > irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com writes: > >> My point is that make sure you mention that you would like any written >> info >> >> if you do write to Ireland. >> >> When writing, if you have some concrete indication that the person you >> want > the certificate for really did have a connection to that particular > parish, not > just their names, then do include it. That would include members of the > family or close friends having had births or marriages there or the church > is next > door to their residence, or newspaper clippings of family events there. > Anything to indicate you are not just desperately "fishing" and making the > request > on a faint chance, it will be more likely to produce results that way. > > > > ************** > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:00:34 -0500 > From: "Patricia Heffernan" <Patricia@Heffcomm.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00d901c851ab$053e8520$0700a8c0@HeffComm.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My husband's ggrandmother, Filomena (di Palma) Papaccio and her two > children > were detained in 1906, waiting for her husband to pick them up. The list > of > detained aliens appears at the end of the passenger list at Ancestry.com. > Most of the detained passengers are females and their children waiting for > male relatives to come for them. > Patricia > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New York > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle > and > Kevin Cassidy > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:11 AM > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 23:04:47 -0500 > From: "Patricia Heffernan" <Patricia@Heffcomm.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00da01c851ab$9be961c0$0700a8c0@HeffComm.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > My grandmother, Tyra Fagerholm, was detained in 1913 at Ellis Island, but > she was met by her Aunt Mary Johnson, so I guess it didn't have to be a > male > relative by 1913. > > Patricia > > Patricia Van Wagenen Heffernan > The Van Wagenen, Harrison and Heffernan Families of New York > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/a/r/Patricia-V-Harrison > > -----Original Message----- > From: irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irish-new-york-city-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michelle > and > Kevin Cassidy > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:11 AM > To: irish-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Passenger Lists > > I had recently read in a magazine from a few years ago that for the > port at New York ALONE there was a unique entry policy for women > traveling alone. It said that single women or married women traveling > without a male relative were detained until a male relative came to > get her from Castle Garden and possibly Ellis Island.(Not sure when > this changed.) > > Does anyone know if this is true? Has anyone searched the ship's > lists and used this to identify that one Mary Benson is the > ancestor's sister and now you know where her brother lived possibly > in 1883? These detained lists are not part of the records at Ancestry > but the article said they would be at the end of the list. Were they > filmed for the National Archives films? > > Thanks! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list administrator, send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY mailing list, send an email > to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 13 > **************************************************

I did the DNA testing not to find new connections but to see if it could be determined how close the cousin relationship was between my paternal grandparents (same surname and lived on adjacent townlands in Mayo). My cousin's paternal grandfather was my paternal grandmother's brother. Knowing that my grandparents were cousins (no dispensation noted in church marriage record) I was hoping that DNA testing would help. Out of the 79 markers, my brother and male cousin matched 77 markers. This does show a fairly close relationship but nothing to tell me the actual degree. However, you can have a difference in markers between a father and son or a paternal grandfather and grandson depending whether the marker is a fast changer. My paternal DNA is R1b1c and mtDNA is H1b. These were the most common haplogroups that over wintered in the Iberian Peninsula during the Ice Age over 4,000 years ago. Once the ice retreated these people moved onto England and Ireland. I told my husband (E3b) that my family was on Ireland's shores over 3,000 years before his family (FitzGerald) showed up (about 12th century AD). I just find it interesting. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Colleen, Have you seen the actual register? There may be a notation that they missed it or chose to ignore it when they issued a certificate. Also check with the diocesan office. Dispensations were/are granted by the bishop. They should have a record there. I know I have a copy of my ancestors' dispensation from the bishop in 1929. This was a family record I did not get it from the chancery. They were related in the third degree. They were second cousins. Their parents the first cousins were born on adjacent townlands in County Cork. On Jan 10, 2008, at 10:59 AM, Irishcolleen45@aol.com wrote: > I did the DNA testing not to find new connections but to see if it > could be > determined how close the cousin relationship was between my paternal > grandparents (same surname and lived on adjacent townlands in Mayo). > > My cousin's paternal grandfather was my paternal grandmother's > brother. > Knowing that my grandparents were cousins (no dispensation noted in > church > marriage record) I was hoping that DNA testing would help. Out of > the 79 markers, > my brother and male cousin matched 77 markers. This does show a > fairly close > relationship but nothing to tell me the actual degree. However, you > can have a > difference in markers between a father and son or a paternal > grandfather and > grandson depending whether the marker is a fast changer. > > My paternal DNA is R1b1c and mtDNA is H1b. These were the most common > haplogroups that over wintered in the Iberian Peninsula during the > Ice Age over > 4,000 years ago. Once the ice retreated these people moved onto > England and > Ireland. I told my husband (E3b) that my family was on Ireland's > shores over > 3,000 years before his family (FitzGerald) showed up (about 12th > century AD). > > I just find it interesting. > > Nora Hopkins FitzGerald > Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City > Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Genie, I think the National Geographic program is research, much like the Sorenson program. I took the Y test a couple of months back. I really don't have any interest in the mt test. My Irish ancestors arrived here during the famine and I've been unable to locate any until the 1870 census, and those were my gg grandparents. So, I took the test in hopes of eventualy connecting with other descendants of their siblings and also to try and pinpoint a location in Ireland where the family came from. I did have a relatively close match with someone...a reasonably good chance that we are connected 10-15 generations back...surprisingly, it was the brother-in-law of a subscriber to this list.!! The one who actually suggested I get the test. I guess the DNA thing is just another fad until it works for you. Frank McCullough Genie Coats wrote: >Frank, what do you think of the DNA test National Geographic is offering? A >few of my friends who do genealogical research only over the computer take >the test results as gospel. I'm not so sure it might just be a scam, > > Genie >----- Original Message ----- >From: <irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com> >To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:22 AM >Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 > > > > >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Marriage records at St. Raphael (yvonne1) >> 2. Re: Free DNA Test (LostMtRose@aol.com) >> 3. Re: Marriage records at St. Raphael (Michelle and Kevin Cassidy) >> 4. Re: Free DNA Test (Irishcolleen45@aol.com) >> 5. Re: Free DNA Test (Frank McCullough) >> 6. Re: Free DNA Test (Frank McCullough) >> 7. Re: Free DNA Test (LostMtRose@aol.com) >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:52:29 -0500 >>From: "yvonne1" <yvonne1@catskill.net> >>Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael >>To: "Maureen" <mcshelly2@msn.com>, <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> >>Message-ID: <00e701c852c6$e0450100$0301a8c0@D2KL15C1> >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>reply-type=original >> >>Hi Kevin, >>If you are still looking up marriage records could you look up: Andrew >>Donnelly married Catherine Staneslaus >> could be around 1886. >> >>Thank you. >>Yvonne >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Maureen" <mcshelly2@msn.com> >>To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:40 PM >>Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael >> >> >> >> >>>Are these NYC records? Or some other city? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy >>> To: iriSH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:20 AM >>> Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael >>> >>> >>> Happy New Year >>> >>> I would be willing to search my xerox records from the FHL. If you >>> have a marriage between September 1886- the end of 1908, send me the >>> names and I can tell you if they married there. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:14:33 EST >>From: LostMtRose@aol.com >>Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Free DNA Test >>To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <c1c.287527aa.34b63ed9@aol.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >>But you don't get results back from this test. It is just for their >>research. >> >> >> >>**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >>http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 3 >>Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:23:12 -0600 >>From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> >>Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael >>To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <35EFB75B-02D0-40EF-9B12-000AB6D57471@earthlink.net> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> >>I searched from 9/1/1886(start of register through end of 1888 and >>did not find Donnelly-Stanislaus(sp). >> >>Kevin >>On Jan 9, 2008, at 7:52 AM, yvonne1 wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi Kevin, >>>If you are still looking up marriage records could you look up: >>>Andrew >>>Donnelly married Catherine Staneslaus >>> could be around 1886. >>> >>>Thank you. >>>Yvonne >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Maureen" <mcshelly2@msn.com> >>>To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> >>>Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:40 PM >>>Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Are these NYC records? Or some other city? >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy >>>> To: iriSH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:20 AM >>>> Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael >>>> >>>> >>>> Happy New Year >>>> >>>> I would be willing to search my xerox records from the FHL. If you >>>> have a marriage between September 1886- the end of 1908, send me the >>>> names and I can tell you if they married there. >>>> >>>> Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- >>>YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 4 >>Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:07:52 EST >>From: Irishcolleen45@aol.com >>Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Free DNA Test >>To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <ce1.1e9c4024.34b64b58@aol.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >>Frank, >> >>What's the point of getting this done? I thought Sorenson Labs was >>changing >>its methods but it says you don't get results. >> >>Yes, I do have mine. >> >> >>Nora Hopkins FitzGerald >>Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City >>Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC >> >> >> >>In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:23:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>_frank@ap.net_ (mailto:frank@ap.net) writes: >> >> >>Sorenson Labs is doing a free Mitochondrial DNA test. They do require >>you to submit a 4 generation family tree. Anyone who is interested about >>it can visit their website & decide for themselves... >> >>http://www.smgf.org/ >> >>and >> >>http://www.smgf.org/pages/request_kit.jspx >> >> >>You can copy & paste the above URLs into your browser. >> >> >>Frank McCullough >> >> >> >> >> >> >>**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >>http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 5 >>Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:33:49 -0800 >>From: Frank McCullough <frank@ap.net> >>Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Free DNA Test >>To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <4784F76D.1010707@ap.net> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >>The way I read it is they don't contact you...I am assuming you can get >>your results through the account you set up. >> >>In all honesty Nora, I don't care if anybody has it done...I simply >>passed this along for it's value as "information only". >> >>Frank McCullough >> >> >>Irishcolleen45@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>Frank, >>> >>>What's the point of getting this done? I thought Sorenson Labs was >>>changing >>>its methods but it says you don't get results. >>> >>>Yes, I do have mine. >>> >>> >>>Nora Hopkins FitzGerald >>>Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City >>>Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC >>> >>> >>> >>>In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:23:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>_frank@ap.net_ (mailto:frank@ap.net) writes: >>> >>> >>>Sorenson Labs is doing a free Mitochondrial DNA test. They do require >>>you to submit a 4 generation family tree. Anyone who is interested about >>>it can visit their website & decide for themselves... >>> >>>http://www.smgf.org/ >>> >>>and >>> >>>http://www.smgf.org/pages/request_kit.jspx >>> >>> >>>You can copy & paste the above URLs into your browser. >>> >>> >>>Frank McCullough >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >>>http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 6 >>Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:50:11 -0800 >>From: Frank McCullough <frank@ap.net> >>Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Free DNA Test >>To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <4784FB43.7030101@ap.net> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >>As a follow-up...these are from the Sorenson site. >> >> >>Searching for your roots and finding new connections through molecular >>genealogy is an exciting prospect. >> >> >>Your contribution adds another piece to the puzzle and helps you and >>others make family connections when >>existing genealogical records alone may not be enough. >> >>Searching the mtDatabase allows us to find cousins who may be connected >>across generations and around the world. >> >>Other individuals with exact matches may share a common ancestor, though >>it can be difficult to determine how far in the past that common >>ancestor may have lived without the genealogical information found in >>pedigree charts. >> >>To search the Sorenson mtDatabase, simply go to the mtSearch page and >>follow the instructions on the screen. You may enter mtDNA results >>obtained from any commercial lab. >> >>If you have not participated in the SMGF project, we invite you to add >>your DNA results and pedigree chart to the Sorenson Database by >>Requesting a Participation Kit. >> >> >> >>Frank McCullough >> >> >> >>Frank McCullough wrote: >> >> >> >>>The way I read it is they don't contact you...I am assuming you can get >>>your results through the account you set up. >>> >>>In all honesty Nora, I don't care if anybody has it done...I simply >>>passed this along for it's value as "information only". >>> >>>Frank McCullough >>> >>> >>>Irishcolleen45@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Frank, >>>> >>>>What's the point of getting this done? I thought Sorenson Labs was >>>>changing >>>>its methods but it says you don't get results. >>>> >>>>Yes, I do have mine. >>>> >>>> >>>>Nora Hopkins FitzGerald >>>>Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City >>>>Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:23:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>>_frank@ap.net_ (mailto:frank@ap.net) writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>Sorenson Labs is doing a free Mitochondrial DNA test. They do require >>>>you to submit a 4 generation family tree. Anyone who is interested about >>>>it can visit their website & decide for themselves... >>>> >>>>http://www.smgf.org/ >>>> >>>>and >>>> >>>>http://www.smgf.org/pages/request_kit.jspx >>>> >>>> >>>>You can copy & paste the above URLs into your browser. >>>> >>>> >>>>Frank McCullough >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >>>>http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >>>> >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 7 >>Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:24:19 EST >>From: LostMtRose@aol.com >>Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Free DNA Test >>To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <bef.1e2107f1.34b68773@aol.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >>Hi, >>I paid to get mtDNA done because I wanted to find out about my mothers >>lineage. She was second generation American. Her grandparents were from >>Ireland. >>There are over 4,000 matches and none that have the surnames I am >>searching, >>Penny, Donnelly and Condron. There are all kinds of nationalities on >>that >>list of over 4,000 matches...Mexican, Polish, German, Russian, just to >>name a >>few...but few Irish...I paid over $300 for this and still have no >>matches... >> >>If you want to help the research get it done, it is free. >> >>Rhoda >> >> >> >>**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >>http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>To contact the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list administrator, send an email to >>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >>To post a message to the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY mailing list, send an email >>to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com. >> >>__________________________________________________________ >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com >>with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >>of the >>email with no additional text. >> >> >>End of IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 >>************************************************** >> >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

On Jan 10, 2008 7:42 AM, Genie Coats <coatsgenie@nc.rr.com> wrote: > Frank, what do you think of the DNA test National Geographic is offering? A > few of my friends who do genealogical research only over the computer take > the test results as gospel. I'm not so sure it might just be a scam, > > Genie Hi 'Genie', I'm not Frank. <g> I haven't really gotten bitten by the DNA bug yet. I did see this posted on another list: >>While the National Geographic Society does head up the project, they do not do the testing. That is, they may collect the samples necessary for the study, but they do not do the laboratory work involved. They use the FamilyTreeDNA laboratory to process the samples.<< Since this lab is one of the 'big' ones in DNA world, that means that IMHO ..... it's not a scam.

Frank, what do you think of the DNA test National Geographic is offering? A few of my friends who do genealogical research only over the computer take the test results as gospel. I'm not so sure it might just be a scam, Genie ----- Original Message ----- From: <irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 3:22 AM Subject: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Marriage records at St. Raphael (yvonne1) > 2. Re: Free DNA Test (LostMtRose@aol.com) > 3. Re: Marriage records at St. Raphael (Michelle and Kevin Cassidy) > 4. Re: Free DNA Test (Irishcolleen45@aol.com) > 5. Re: Free DNA Test (Frank McCullough) > 6. Re: Free DNA Test (Frank McCullough) > 7. Re: Free DNA Test (LostMtRose@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:52:29 -0500 > From: "yvonne1" <yvonne1@catskill.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael > To: "Maureen" <mcshelly2@msn.com>, <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <00e701c852c6$e0450100$0301a8c0@D2KL15C1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Kevin, > If you are still looking up marriage records could you look up: Andrew > Donnelly married Catherine Staneslaus > could be around 1886. > > Thank you. > Yvonne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen" <mcshelly2@msn.com> > To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael > > >> Are these NYC records? Or some other city? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy >> To: iriSH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:20 AM >> Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael >> >> >> Happy New Year >> >> I would be willing to search my xerox records from the FHL. If you >> have a marriage between September 1886- the end of 1908, send me the >> names and I can tell you if they married there. >> >> Kevin >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:14:33 EST > From: LostMtRose@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Free DNA Test > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <c1c.287527aa.34b63ed9@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > But you don't get results back from this test. It is just for their > research. > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:23:12 -0600 > From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <35EFB75B-02D0-40EF-9B12-000AB6D57471@earthlink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > I searched from 9/1/1886(start of register through end of 1888 and > did not find Donnelly-Stanislaus(sp). > > Kevin > On Jan 9, 2008, at 7:52 AM, yvonne1 wrote: > >> Hi Kevin, >> If you are still looking up marriage records could you look up: >> Andrew >> Donnelly married Catherine Staneslaus >> could be around 1886. >> >> Thank you. >> Yvonne >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Maureen" <mcshelly2@msn.com> >> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 5:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael >> >> >>> Are these NYC records? Or some other city? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Michelle and Kevin Cassidy >>> To: iriSH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 10:20 AM >>> Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Marriage records at St. Raphael >>> >>> >>> Happy New Year >>> >>> I would be willing to search my xerox records from the FHL. If you >>> have a marriage between September 1886- the end of 1908, send me the >>> names and I can tell you if they married there. >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- >> YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:07:52 EST > From: Irishcolleen45@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Free DNA Test > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <ce1.1e9c4024.34b64b58@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Frank, > > What's the point of getting this done? I thought Sorenson Labs was > changing > its methods but it says you don't get results. > > Yes, I do have mine. > > > Nora Hopkins FitzGerald > Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City > Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC > > > > In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:23:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > _frank@ap.net_ (mailto:frank@ap.net) writes: > > > Sorenson Labs is doing a free Mitochondrial DNA test. They do require > you to submit a 4 generation family tree. Anyone who is interested about > it can visit their website & decide for themselves... > > http://www.smgf.org/ > > and > > http://www.smgf.org/pages/request_kit.jspx > > > You can copy & paste the above URLs into your browser. > > > Frank McCullough > > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:33:49 -0800 > From: Frank McCullough <frank@ap.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Free DNA Test > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4784F76D.1010707@ap.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > The way I read it is they don't contact you...I am assuming you can get > your results through the account you set up. > > In all honesty Nora, I don't care if anybody has it done...I simply > passed this along for it's value as "information only". > > Frank McCullough > > > Irishcolleen45@aol.com wrote: > >>Frank, >> >>What's the point of getting this done? I thought Sorenson Labs was >>changing >>its methods but it says you don't get results. >> >>Yes, I do have mine. >> >> >>Nora Hopkins FitzGerald >>Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City >>Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC >> >> >> >>In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:23:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>_frank@ap.net_ (mailto:frank@ap.net) writes: >> >> >>Sorenson Labs is doing a free Mitochondrial DNA test. They do require >>you to submit a 4 generation family tree. Anyone who is interested about >>it can visit their website & decide for themselves... >> >>http://www.smgf.org/ >> >>and >> >>http://www.smgf.org/pages/request_kit.jspx >> >> >>You can copy & paste the above URLs into your browser. >> >> >>Frank McCullough >> >> >> >> >> >> >>**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >>http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:50:11 -0800 > From: Frank McCullough <frank@ap.net> > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Free DNA Test > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4784FB43.7030101@ap.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > As a follow-up...these are from the Sorenson site. > > > Searching for your roots and finding new connections through molecular > genealogy is an exciting prospect. > > > Your contribution adds another piece to the puzzle and helps you and > others make family connections when > existing genealogical records alone may not be enough. > > Searching the mtDatabase allows us to find cousins who may be connected > across generations and around the world. > > Other individuals with exact matches may share a common ancestor, though > it can be difficult to determine how far in the past that common > ancestor may have lived without the genealogical information found in > pedigree charts. > > To search the Sorenson mtDatabase, simply go to the mtSearch page and > follow the instructions on the screen. You may enter mtDNA results > obtained from any commercial lab. > > If you have not participated in the SMGF project, we invite you to add > your DNA results and pedigree chart to the Sorenson Database by > Requesting a Participation Kit. > > > > Frank McCullough > > > > Frank McCullough wrote: > >>The way I read it is they don't contact you...I am assuming you can get >>your results through the account you set up. >> >>In all honesty Nora, I don't care if anybody has it done...I simply >>passed this along for it's value as "information only". >> >>Frank McCullough >> >> >>Irishcolleen45@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>Frank, >>> >>>What's the point of getting this done? I thought Sorenson Labs was >>>changing >>>its methods but it says you don't get results. >>> >>>Yes, I do have mine. >>> >>> >>>Nora Hopkins FitzGerald >>>Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City >>>Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC >>> >>> >>> >>>In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:23:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, >>>_frank@ap.net_ (mailto:frank@ap.net) writes: >>> >>> >>>Sorenson Labs is doing a free Mitochondrial DNA test. They do require >>>you to submit a 4 generation family tree. Anyone who is interested about >>>it can visit their website & decide for themselves... >>> >>>http://www.smgf.org/ >>> >>>and >>> >>>http://www.smgf.org/pages/request_kit.jspx >>> >>> >>>You can copy & paste the above URLs into your browser. >>> >>> >>>Frank McCullough >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. >>>http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:24:19 EST > From: LostMtRose@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Free DNA Test > To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bef.1e2107f1.34b68773@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi, > I paid to get mtDNA done because I wanted to find out about my mothers > lineage. She was second generation American. Her grandparents were from > Ireland. > There are over 4,000 matches and none that have the surnames I am > searching, > Penny, Donnelly and Condron. There are all kinds of nationalities on > that > list of over 4,000 matches...Mexican, Polish, German, Russian, just to > name a > few...but few Irish...I paid over $300 for this and still have no > matches... > > If you want to help the research get it done, it is free. > > Rhoda > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list administrator, send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY mailing list, send an email > to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 15 > ************************************************** >

Hi, I paid to get mtDNA done because I wanted to find out about my mothers lineage. She was second generation American. Her grandparents were from Ireland. There are over 4,000 matches and none that have the surnames I am searching, Penny, Donnelly and Condron. There are all kinds of nationalities on that list of over 4,000 matches...Mexican, Polish, German, Russian, just to name a few...but few Irish...I paid over $300 for this and still have no matches... If you want to help the research get it done, it is free. Rhoda **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Frank, What's the point of getting this done? I thought Sorenson Labs was changing its methods but it says you don't get results. Yes, I do have mine. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Hopkins - Castlebar, Co. Mayo/New York City Grant - Drumboniff, Co. Down/NYC In a message dated 1/9/2008 3:23:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, _frank@ap.net_ (mailto:frank@ap.net) writes: Sorenson Labs is doing a free Mitochondrial DNA test. They do require you to submit a 4 generation family tree. Anyone who is interested about it can visit their website & decide for themselves... http://www.smgf.org/ and http://www.smgf.org/pages/request_kit.jspx You can copy & paste the above URLs into your browser. Frank McCullough **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

But you don't get results back from this test. It is just for their research. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489