My grandfather came to NY from Ireland in 1893 with nothing & lived at 332 E. 94 St., NY until he married in 1899. They moved to 1507 Lexington Ave.(about 98 St) after that & raised 7 kids in 5 rooms until 1926 when they moved to Queens. I can assure you there were less than wealthy people living in the upper Eastside area. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hello, my husband is an O'Connor. His family is from Kanturk, Cork. -- www.corbyoconnor.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: JohnPcnnrs@aol.com > I was born at 257E 95th street in 1939. On one side of the street the rich > and famous still occupied the brownstones and the other was made up of 5 story > apartment houses. If you crossed Lexington Ave it was all upper middle class. > If you were catholic you went to St Francis de Sales school and economic > differences were ignored by the Sisters. 95th street was considered a very > respectable and desirable street to live on. The apartment houses and > Brownstones > were built before 1900 and many of the families had lived there for some > time. My parents were born in Ireland and moved to the US around 1930. What > name > are you researching? Presently the area up to and including 96th street > above 3rd avenue is still very much an upscale neighborhood. On fifth the > upscale > area extends another 10 blocks. A cousin of mine had a 2 million dollar > apartment on 105 and fifth. > > > Researching Connors, OConnor, Histon, Kennealy, Sullivan in Limerick and > OConnor, Heffernan, Foley, Palmer, deConde, Sugrue, Shackrow, Griffin, Shea, > Shay and Keating in Kerry. Conor, OConnor Roscomon. > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I grew up in NYC and that particular location is a wealthy area...although not as expensive as others in Manhattan. You have the right address. As you go further north...you get closer to the Harlem border which is about 120th street. So the further north you go the less desirable. At that time...early 1900's...the wealthy did not go that far north. The "invisible line" for the very wealthy now is about 86th street. Although most Irish settled on the west side of Manhattan around the 42nd Street area and 8th Avenue (what is called Hell's Kitchen), there must have been affordable places to live on the "upper east side" at that time. Hope this helps. -- www.corbyoconnor.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Pauline Leonard" <treehouse3@gmail.com> > Hello, > I have an address of 233 E 95 ST, NY. > I checked a map and it seems to be in the "Upper East Side" of Manhattan. I > don't know anything about the neighbourhoods of NY so I checked it out on > Wikipedia. It seems to be a VERY rich area with a lot of very famous and > rich people there and some of the most expensive real estate in the world. > This doesn't seem like the place for a poor Irish immigrant to be living in > 1910. > Do I have the wrong place? > How can I place this address? Might it be in another Borough? > Thanks for your help. > > Slan > Pauline > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My condolences to you for you Friend & will say a prayer for her. Jim Garrity <jimgarrity@earthlink.net> wrote: I write to you with a heavy heart about the passing of B-Ann Moorhouse. B-Ann was a professional genealogist (and a CG) for several decades. She was loved and respected by the enormous number of people whose lives she touched. B-Ann was the epitome of kindness and graciousness. She believed in people and encouraged them to fulfill their potential. She was always eager to share - especially with the next generation of professional genealogists and with librarians and archivists - the astonishing amount of wisdom, knowledge, and insight she had in the field of genealogy, particularly concerning Irish and colonial American genealogy. Another area of great interest to B-Ann was the history of African American families in Brooklyn. B-Ann was the founder in 1978 of the Ulster Historical Foundation's Ulster Genealogical and Historical Guild, a research co-operative established to link people worldwide who shared a common interest in Irish genealogy. She also founded the Genealogy Workshop at the Brooklyn Historical Society, which, at the time, was named the Long Island Historical Society. She authored numerous articles for genealogical publications, abstracted Kings County, New York, administration proceedings and typed them on an extremely temperamental computer, and created finding aids for New York City for several New York state censuses. She was given access to basements and storage rooms in New York City's Municipal Archives (when it was still in the Tweed Courthouse), Brooklyn Surrogate's Court, and the Long Island Historical Society. Left to her own devices, she proceeded to rummage around and found hidden treasures that she brought to light. B-Ann passed away on February 15, 2008, in Georgia. Her beloved niece, Ann, who assured me that B-Ann died peacefully, moved her there last year so that she could care for B-Ann in her last months. It will bring a smile to your lips to know that, under Ann's care, our B-Ann of the small frame gained sixteen pounds in six months. Soon before she moved to Georgia, Jim Garrity and I paid her what turned out to be our final visit. We took her for a stroll on the promenade in her Brooklyn Heights neighborhood and then out to dinner. We had a wonderful time. It is just one of so many good memories of her that we will have with us always. Ann has sent to The New York Times the obituary that B-Ann wrote about herself. It will be published at http://www.legacy.com/NYTimes/DeathNotices.asp . B-Ann will be dearly missed by her friends and her family. Joy Rich Brooklyn, NY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John Have you ever been to this web site you may find some of the names on there! If not you can always come back to here. Groups.msn.com/YorkvilleMessageBoard/shoebox.msnw You may have to join but it is free! Enjoy! Mary old NYer JohnPcnnrs@aol.com wrote: The neighborhood was safe and respectable. Having 7 children in an apartment would certainly be difficult and 98th street was a less desirable street as it was next to the NYC Bus Yard and a power substation. The entire block was torn down to make way for housing projects which were used to break neighborhoods so new development could begin. Researching Connors, OConnor, Histon, Kennealy, Sullivan in Limerick and OConnor, Heffernan, Foley, Palmer, deConde, Sugrue, Shackrow, Griffin, Shea, Shay and Keating in Kerry. Conor, OConnor Roscomon. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I was born at 257E 95th street in 1939. On one side of the street the rich and famous still occupied the brownstones and the other was made up of 5 story apartment houses. If you crossed Lexington Ave it was all upper middle class. If you were catholic you went to St Francis de Sales school and economic differences were ignored by the Sisters. 95th street was considered a very respectable and desirable street to live on. The apartment houses and Brownstones were built before 1900 and many of the families had lived there for some time. My parents were born in Ireland and moved to the US around 1930. What name are you researching? Presently the area up to and including 96th street above 3rd avenue is still very much an upscale neighborhood. On fifth the upscale area extends another 10 blocks. A cousin of mine had a 2 million dollar apartment on 105 and fifth. Researching Connors, OConnor, Histon, Kennealy, Sullivan in Limerick and OConnor, Heffernan, Foley, Palmer, deConde, Sugrue, Shackrow, Griffin, Shea, Shay and Keating in Kerry. Conor, OConnor Roscomon. **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hello, I have an address of 233 E 95 ST, NY. I checked a map and it seems to be in the "Upper East Side" of Manhattan. I don't know anything about the neighbourhoods of NY so I checked it out on Wikipedia. It seems to be a VERY rich area with a lot of very famous and rich people there and some of the most expensive real estate in the world. This doesn't seem like the place for a poor Irish immigrant to be living in 1910. Do I have the wrong place? How can I place this address? Might it be in another Borough? Thanks for your help. Slan Pauline

Hello Michelle and Kevin; You may have been asked this question before but are you kin to Tracy Cassidy, the originator of this list: Irish-New York City ? Thank You Jim McCarthy </HTML>

I am not related to her that I am aware of. If Tracy's roots lead to Newry, County Down(and Armagh) we should compare notes. My ancestor Joseph Cassidy(1849-1928) had two brothers that also came to NYC and had issue. Patrick Cassidy(1852-1908) married Ann Murphy in 1877 and came to NYC in 1881 or so. They had seven children: Patrick(1878-c.1878), Michael (1880-1949), Mamie(1882-1966), Joseph A.(1884-1965), Patrick II(1889-1890), Edward (1891-1898) and Frank P.(1894-1979). Michael Cassidy(1857-1905) married Catherine McKeon in NYC in 1882. They had one son Joseph M. (1883-1958). He married Nellie Butler in 1909 and had at least seven kids: Joseph c. 1911, Michael 1914, John J.(1917-1966), Catherine, Eleanor, Mary and Edward(1929-1931). On Mar 2, 2008, at 8:31 AM, SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com wrote: > Hello Michelle and Kevin; > > You may have been asked this question before but are you kin to Tracy > Cassidy, the originator of this list: Irish-New York City ? > > Thank You > Jim McCarthy > > </HTML> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Michelle, Thank you for the Census Lookup. I do have one question though. I don't understand what this is: Leonard Peter 36 y Oct 31 1918 #36661 Manhattan 1881 - 1882 if this is his death certificate he won't be in 1920 Census. Is this from the SSDI? Where did you get this? Is it possible to get a copy of these lookups or am I asking too much? I do find it interesting that he is listed as married but as a single boarder in the Census. I wonder why that would be? Id he is dead before the next census then I can't even get who is family is. Many thanks Pauline

Pauline, The Italian Genealogical Group has posted the Vital Records Indexes from NYC online. Steve Morse is a college professor who has made a few shortcuts. Follow these two sites to see what there is. You could order these records from the FHL for $2. Best of luck, Kevin stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath.html stevemorse.org/vital/nymarriages.html?index=groom On Mar 1, 2008, at 3:15 PM, Pauline Leonard wrote: > Hello Michelle, > Thank you for the Census Lookup. > I do have one question though. > I don't understand what this is: > > Leonard Peter 36 y Oct 31 1918 #36661 Manhattan 1881 - 1882 if this > is his death certificate he won't be in 1920 Census. > > Is this from the SSDI? Where did you get this? > Is it possible to get a copy of these lookups or am I asking too much? > > I do find it interesting that he is listed as married but as a single > boarder in the Census. I wonder why that would be? Id he is dead > before the > next census then I can't even get who is family is. > > Many thanks > Pauline > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy to do it. Will get back to you by tomorrow morning. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Pauline Leonard" <treehouse3@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:26:09 To:IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Lookup- Peter Leonard Hello, I was wondering if anyone with access to the US Census records would mind doing a lookup for me. I was just looking over some information that I have since I just found out last night that I will be going to NY next week to accompany my son on a trip with Scouts. (to be accurate I should replace accompany with drive) I hope to go to the archives but I wish I was more prepared for it. If I was more prepared I may use my limited amount of time better. I am afraid I will miss something I really should have got. In looking over my notes I noticed that my grandfathers sister Annie LEONARD arrive in NY on March 27, 1910. She was going to stay with her brother (previously unknown to me) Peter LEONARD at 233 E. 95 th St. NY. I would appreciate a lookup for that in the 1910 Census. I would also appreciate a 1920 lookup. Sometimes when we go over old notes we find something new. I had this years ago but I thought it was the wrong person because there was no brother named Peter. I am now a few more years along in my research and know that this is most likely the correct person so I really should have looked up more about Peter but I didn't until now. Thanks for listening and for a potential lookup. Slan Pauline Ontario Canada ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I was wondering if anyone with access to the US Census records would mind doing a lookup for me. I was just looking over some information that I have since I just found out last night that I will be going to NY next week to accompany my son on a trip with Scouts. (to be accurate I should replace accompany with drive) I hope to go to the archives but I wish I was more prepared for it. If I was more prepared I may use my limited amount of time better. I am afraid I will miss something I really should have got. In looking over my notes I noticed that my grandfathers sister Annie LEONARD arrive in NY on March 27, 1910. She was going to stay with her brother (previously unknown to me) Peter LEONARD at 233 E. 95 th St. NY. I would appreciate a lookup for that in the 1910 Census. I would also appreciate a 1920 lookup. Sometimes when we go over old notes we find something new. I had this years ago but I thought it was the wrong person because there was no brother named Peter. I am now a few more years along in my research and know that this is most likely the correct person so I really should have looked up more about Peter but I didn't until now. Thanks for listening and for a potential lookup. Slan Pauline Ontario Canada

Peter Leonard, at 233 East 95th Street Boarder male white 27 years- old Married 1 b. Ire speaks Eng same for both parents immigrated 1903 Papers filed laborer in a building taken on 25 Apr 1910 page 241 Sup Dist 1 Enumeration Dist. 359 Sheet 16A 12th Ward in home of Michael J. Casey immigrated 1904 Leonard Peter 36 y Oct 31 1918 #36661 Manhattan 1881 - 1882 if this is his death certificate he won't be in 1920 Census. On Feb 29, 2008, at 7:26 PM, Pauline Leonard wrote: > Hello, > I was wondering if anyone with access to the US Census records > would mind > doing a lookup for me. > I was just looking over some information that I have since I just > found out > last night that I will be going to NY next week to accompany my son > on a > trip with Scouts. (to be accurate I should replace accompany with > drive) I > hope to go to the archives but I wish I was more prepared for it. > If I was > more prepared I may use my limited amount of time better. I am > afraid I will > miss something I really should have got. In looking over my notes I > noticed > that my grandfathers sister Annie LEONARD arrive in NY on March 27, > 1910. > She was going to stay with her brother (previously unknown to me) > Peter > LEONARD at 233 E. 95 th St. NY. > I would appreciate a lookup for that in the 1910 Census. I would also > appreciate a 1920 lookup. > Sometimes when we go over old notes we find something new. I had > this years > ago but I thought it was the wrong person because there was no > brother named > Peter. I am now a few more years along in my research and know that > this is > most likely the correct person so I really should have looked up > more about > Peter but I didn't until now. > Thanks for listening and for a potential lookup. > Slan > Pauline > Ontario > Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Irish Americans looking for their roots will have an opportunity to learn how to trace their family trees back to Europe at a genealogy lecture scheduled to take place in Bridgeport on Saturday, March 15, 2008. The presentations by three noted researchers will take place at Housatonic Community College 900 Lafayette Blvd in Bridgeport starting at noon. Prof. Jonathan Shea, a foreign language professor at HCC, will lead off the sessions speaking about American sources needed to find information about the family on this side of the ocean, some of which will take the researcher back to the family’s place of origin in Ireland. Among the sources to be discussed are local birth, marriage and death records, probate files, church registers and similar documentation generated on a local level as well as information laden records of the federal government such as decennial census returns, WWI draft registrations and ships passenger lists from Ellis Island and other ports of entry. Shea, a New Britain native, traces his paternal roots to the counties of Offaly and Mayo in Ireland and has done on site research in the National Archives in Dublin, local county records offices and Catholic parish archives in his counties of origin. Stated Shea, "My family not only emigrated to the US but to the United Kingdom, Australia, Argentina and New Zealand so tracking down all the various branches of the family has taken me on a documentary journey to four continents." Resources in Ireland will be discussed by Janet Pestey of the Connecticut Society of Genealogists. Major records sources such as the nineteenth century Griffiths Valuation Lists and the surviving Irish census returns will be covered as well as information on national vital records indexes many of which are available at the Family History Center in Woodbridge and the resources to be found at Irish National Archives. Also included will be Civil Registration records which began in 1864, church records, tithe records estate records. Local sources and computer sites will also be discussed. The speaker is a retired educator and a frequent lecturer on the topic. The third in the trio of experts is Daniel Lynch of Trumbull. Lynch will concentrate on internet sources researchers can use from the comfort of their own home to hunt for ancestors. As more and more records are digitized and becoming available on home computers, this facet of genealogical research is among the fastest growing aspects of genealogy. a pastime of millions Americans. Lynch is a 22 year veteran of the computer industry and served as a consultant to the Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation and was featured on ABC News Good Morning America as part of their genealogy series. The author of numerous genealogy articles, Lynch is a frequent lecturer on genealogy and technology. The seminar is the result of a collaboration between Housatonic, The Connecticut Society of Genealogists, headquartered in East Hartford and the Connecticut Ancestry Society headquartered in Stamford. Free parking in the college's parking garage is available to all participants and all are welcome at the event. There is no charge to attend the lectures. The Irish program is the second of a series of genealogy lectures held at Housatonic. Last year's seminar on Polish and Eastern European research attracted a capacity crowd from all over the state as well as persons from neighboring states. To obtain an approximate head count of those planning to attend, would-be participants are asked to contact Prof. Shea at jshea@hcc.commnet.edu, Stephanie Hyland of The Connecticut Society of Genealogists csginc@ctfamilyhistory.com, or Rob Locke of Connecticut Ancestry Society at info@connecticutancestry.org

Dear readers I have just subscribed to your mailing list and would like to make you acquainted with my Irish/New York research - perhaps someone may see a connection. The family I am researching is that of William Tobin who was born in 1853 in Tipperary, widowed in 1905 and by 1907 had emigrated to New York. His family, all born in Tipperary, are as follows: John Joseph born 1882 married Mary T Donohoe in 1921 - issue Mary & Anna possibly twins born 1925 ( Fireman New York City Fire Department) Ellen/Nellie born 1883 married Patrick Richard Flynn in 1905 - issue Joseph P born 1906, Mary E born 1910 and Irene born 1914 Katherine born 1884 - not sure yet whether married or single Jeffery born 1888 married Katherine G Gormley in 1916, second marriage to Viola West possibly in Passaic, New Jersey. - issue by first marriage Annie J born New Jersey 1919. Eileen - Liverpool, UK

In a message dated 2/22/2008 3:21:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, irish-new-york-city-request@rootsweb.com writes: > My question is part of the processing of how a woman can have three > children between 20 Dec 1885-5 Aug 1888. Twins would be one way for > sure. Twins would be a possibility as you say but are you questioning the time frame in terms of physically possibility or of social behavior ? There is just time for 3 full term pregnancies in the period from the marriage to the August 1888 birth with only one or two months between one birth and the next conception which was not at all unusual in those days. More likely however one or more was not full term or still born and still reported as "born(e)" There is also the possibility the first child arrived less than 9/10 months after the wedding, so a search for those additional children could certainly be worthwhile. GMcC. ************** Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

I FINALLy got the date of my ancestor's second marriage. Thanks to the secretary at St. Francis Xavier for providing this information after searching MANY other parishes since 1996. (She did it by e-mail request and asked for a donation but did not specify an amount and did say is was not required. Other parishes have charged me up to $25 for this wedding search.) Now that I know the bride was a maiden and not a widow, I was perplexed with the birth certificate. Joseph Cassidy married Ellen Hart on 20 Dec 1885. They had one daughter born 5 Aug 1888. On the birth certificate she said this was the third child born to her and one was living, that being the new baby. She was baptized a few days later at St. Gabriel and her godmother was the same name as the name of the maid of honor at the 1885 wedding, Kate Hart. I assume this was Ellen's sister. My question is part of the processing of how a woman can have three children between 20 Dec 1885-5 Aug 1888. Twins would be one way for sure. Joseph purchased a grave that he, his two infant daughters(by different mothers) and each of his three wives were buried in. His first wife and their ONLY child(verified by the birth certificate) were buried in 1883, then Ellen and Ann were buried in 1889 and Joseph and my ancestor were buried in 1928 and 1933. Since Ellen was not previously married, then the options are: 1) She had two kids out of wedlock before 1885, possible but still unlikely. I am not naive but things were a bit more chaste back then. 2) She had two stillbirths between 1885-1888. 3) She had two children who were born alive but died before baptism between 1885-1888. These people were Catholics. Each of his three weddings, while not recorded with the Department of Health, was celebrated by a priest and recorded in the church register. All three of his known children received baptism within days of their births. If Kate Hart is the same woman in 1885 and 1888, then one would assume this was the first baptism celebrated for these children. I have not seen using the same sponsors over and over again. My question is have any of you had experience tracking stillbirths? Does Calvary have records and am I right that just a non-baptized adult could not be buried in that grave in 1889 that an unbaptized infant would have to be buried elsewhere? If not Calvary where might he have buried them? Any ideas? Thanks! If they were born alive, then there has to be a death certificate. Did Calvary need a certificate to bury a stillborn?

If the death certificate says removed from city, it could mean that it was removed from the entire city...including the boroughs. But try these: Cemetery of the Holy Cross Brooklyn, Kings County, New York Brooklyn Ave & Tilden Ave Brooklyn, NY 11203 (718) 284-4520 Holy Cross is a Roman Catholic cemetery, owned and operated by the Diocese of Brooklyn. It was founded in 1849. In June of that year, Bishop John Hughes approached James and Mary Duffy and purchased land from them which consisted of the old Van Brunt farm in the town of Flatbush, at the geographical center of Kings County. The first burial took place on July 13, 1849 in what is now known as Holy Cross Cemetery. The cemetery is maintained in fine condition, even including most of the older burials. In 1999, the cemetery covered approximately 96 acres and provided a resting place for nearly 725,000 people. Most Holy Trinity http://www.mhtbrooklyn.org/en_cemetery.htm -- www.corbyoconnor.com -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Vi & Ted Schmitz" <tvschmitz@zianet.com> > I found the death record of a person that could be my 2nd Great-grandfather, > Patrick Casey, who died in Manhattan on 26 Jun 1855. In the ledger entry under > cemetery it had "removed from city." I sent a letter to Calvary to see if they > have anything. Does anyone have any ideas on other cemeteries where an Irish > Catholic might have been buried in 1855? > > Cheers, Ted > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found the death record of a person that could be my 2nd Great-grandfather, Patrick Casey, who died in Manhattan on 26 Jun 1855. In the ledger entry under cemetery it had "removed from city." I sent a letter to Calvary to see if they have anything. Does anyone have any ideas on other cemeteries where an Irish Catholic might have been buried in 1855? Cheers, Ted