On 3/17/2008 5:33:30 PM, heirlinesny@aol.com wrote: > FYI > The Irish Uprising, 1916, > History for us all. > http://www.boston.com/images/ads/orbitz_popun.html That is CLEARLY not the correct link!
In a message dated 3/17/2008 12:07:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cathhat@yahoo.com writes: http://www.flickr.com/groups/top20irelandhall_of_fame/pool/show/with/402594176 / Thank you, Cathy! Those pictures are great!! Dorothy **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)
'Tis a beautiful mornin' here in NYC. May each of you be blessed with fine jiggy music, hearty food, true friends, and laughter on this wondrus St. Patty's Day! Up the Irish and our ancestors! Here's an Irish toast that is new to me. > > May those that love us, love us; and those that don't love us, may God turn > their hearts, and if He doesn't turn their hearts, may He turn their ankles > so we'll know them by their limps. I invite you to add a toast, prayer or blessing to get this NYC Irish list off its knees, and in the spirit. BMcK ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)
http://www.flickr.com/groups/top20irelandhall_of_fame/pool/show/with/402594176/ Blessings to you and yours for St. Paddy's Day and always. Please follow the link above, put on your favorite Irish music, and enjoy the slideshow [it isn't mine, simply a wonderful find!]. May the blessing of light be on you light without and light within. May the blessed sunlight shine on you and warm your heart till it glows like a great peat fire. Cathy HeirLinesNY@aol.com wrote: 'Tis a beautiful mornin' here in NYC. May each of you be blessed with fine jiggy music, hearty food, true friends, and laughter on this wondrus St. Patty's Day! Up the Irish and our ancestors! Here's an Irish toast that is new to me. > > May those that love us, love us; and those that don't love us, may God turn > their hearts, and if He doesn't turn their hearts, may He turn their ankles > so we'll know them by their limps. I invite you to add a toast, prayer or blessing to get this NYC Irish list off its knees, and in the spirit. BMcK ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message www.penniesforpeace.org --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
It is very true that a baptismal certificate is not a birth certificate. The vast majority of children though, if Catholic, were baptized within days of birth. The baptismal certificate often lists a DOB and in that situation it is a vital record substitute. Many of these baptized children died within their first year and if they did not get a birth certificate the baptismal certificate, the death certificate and possibly a census entry are the only records one might find besides the funeral home record and interment list from the cemetery. On Mar 15, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Maureen Shelly wrote: > > It is very important to know the DATE every parish was founded and > to keep a list at hand as you go along, because new parishes were > opening frequently to serve the huge numbers of immigrants and > others moving into the city every day. Parishes were just growing > too large and were divided and then divided again and again. And > it was happening very quickly. > > I think I got my list from the NYBrooklyn web site at rootsweb.com > --- but perhaps from the Archdiocese of New York's own web site. > > My great-grandparents did NOT move between 1883 - 1911, in fact > they lived in the same apt. in the same building in Chelsea all > those years --- but during those years they were in three different > parishes, and their children and grandchildren were caught up in > the changes as well, as they all lived nearby and some were > changing with the others, and some were not changing at all --- or > making still other changes because they lived the furthest south or > east! > > MaureenResearching: Costello (Galway and Mayo), Cotter, Durcan/ > Durkin, Higgins, Lynch, McCarthy (Manhattan), Raftree/Raftery > (Galway), Shannon, Sullivan, Amacher, Baur, Bove, Cremer, Ehlen, > Fischer, Gansberg, Giefer, Hamacher, Hense/Henseler, Hofmann/ > Hoeffeler, Jackler/Jackelen, Jaegers, Koch, Kratz, Krebs, Marlo/ > Marlot/Morlo, Mueller/Meller, Mertes, Pick, Reetz, > Rheinges,Reichardt/Reichert, Rick, Schmieden, Seitz/Zeidt, > vonAlleman/Vollerman, vonMeer, Weiskopf, Zens, Albright, Compton, > Corselius, Clemens/Clements, Daly (Galway), Early, Fallon (Galway), > Greene (Waterford), Callahan, Fitzgerald, McCarthy (Illinois), > McGrath (Waterford), Moss, Mullenix/Mullinax, Prichard, Reilly, > Shelly, Shook, Tye. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
LDS has gotten a lot quicker. I consistently receive copies back within two weeks. I usually fax the request so that cuts down on the mailing time to them. The Municipal Archives, on the other hand, get take up to 6 weeks for copies. I've also found very few birth certificates for my Irish NYC relatives. Even my father, born in 1907, didn't have a birth certificate . If your father's family was Catholic, another option is to track down the baptismal record. Lastly, I've sometimes found where the year of birth was wrong. Everything about my grandmother said she was born in 1885 but I know have the baptismal and birth certificates and she was born in 1884. Melanie Orlando FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "cathy hatcher" <cathhat@yahoo.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Birth Certificates and Surprise information > Particia, > > Ancestry.com does include a database of NYC births 1891-1902. This > database gives date of birth and certificate number. If you find a match, > there is a long process you can follow to get a copy of the certificate > through the LDS Family History Library [$2, I think] or a quicker process > can get a copy straight from NYC archives [$10, I think]. The family > address and place of birth should be on the certificate as well as his > parents' names and their places of birth and occupations. > > > Cathy > > Win Nowlin <wnowlin@san.rr.com> wrote: Hello, All! > > My e-mail has been down for sometime and I just picked up on the following > 2 > e-mails today! I missed all the rest of this thread. > My father was born in NYC in 1891 and I haven't found a birth certificate > yet. > I know my Grandparent's names, but that is it. > What database are you accessing? > > Thanks so much!!!!! > > Patricia Connors Nowlin > San Diego, Ca. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Birth Certificates and Surprise information > > >> Sounds like you need a thorough Directories search to help you track this >> family and their parish. One of my Irish had kids baptized at 5 >> different >> parishes. May 1 was the unofficial moving day in NYC, in the 1800s. >> B McK >> >> >> >> cathhat@yahoo.com writes: >> >> >>> So, here is how this turned out. One child, Thomas, was baptised at St. >>> Raphael's Church on 27 Oct 1891--no other baptisms mentioned. >>> >>> Back to the drawing board. None of the earlier children were in St. >>> Raphael's baptism records, so the family must have switched parishes >>> [parish >>> records (and existence, if I understand correctly) begin in 1886--my >>> grandfather >>> was born in 1888 and is not here. Their sister Anna was baptised at St. >>> Raphael's in 1895 and was married there in 1914 [there is a notation to >>> this effect >>> in the margin by her baptism record]. So, I need to see what parish the >>> family belonged to prior to 1891 if I want to find my grandfather's >>> baptism >>> records. I will also order birth certificates for older siblings to see >>> the >>> "previous births" count. One sibling was born in 1881 and then there is >>> a >>> long break >>> in known births until 1885. Long by the standards of the times :) >>> >>> Someone along the way here told me about St. Raphael's birth records >>> on >>> microfilm--this was a big find: thank you! It was easy to look through >>> this >>> film for family names--as I call other parishes, I'll have a yes or a no >>> reply >>> for the name and general date that I forward to their contact person. >>> >>> Take care to all, and a blessed St. Patrick's Day. >>> >>> Cathy >> >> >> >> >> ************** >> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> Finance. >> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks so much to all of you for the information! Hopefully, I can find something! Patricia Connors Nowlin ----- Original Message ----- From: "cathy hatcher" <cathhat@yahoo.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Birth Certificates and Surprise information > Particia, > > Ancestry.com does include a database of NYC births 1891-1902. This > database gives date of birth and certificate number. If you find a match, > there is a long process you can follow to get a copy of the certificate > through the LDS Family History Library [$2, I think] or a quicker process > can get a copy straight from NYC archives [$10, I think]. The family > address and place of birth should be on the certificate as well as his > parents' names and their places of birth and occupations. > > > Cathy > > Win Nowlin <wnowlin@san.rr.com> wrote: Hello, All! > > My e-mail has been down for sometime and I just picked up on the following > 2 > e-mails today! I missed all the rest of this thread. > My father was born in NYC in 1891 and I haven't found a birth certificate > yet. > I know my Grandparent's names, but that is it. > What database are you accessing? > > Thanks so much!!!!! > > Patricia Connors Nowlin > San Diego, Ca. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Birth Certificates and Surprise information > > >> Sounds like you need a thorough Directories search to help you track this >> family and their parish. One of my Irish had kids baptized at 5 >> different >> parishes. May 1 was the unofficial moving day in NYC, in the 1800s. >> B McK >> >> >> >> cathhat@yahoo.com writes: >> >> >>> So, here is how this turned out. One child, Thomas, was baptised at St. >>> Raphael's Church on 27 Oct 1891--no other baptisms mentioned. >>> >>> Back to the drawing board. None of the earlier children were in St. >>> Raphael's baptism records, so the family must have switched parishes >>> [parish >>> records (and existence, if I understand correctly) begin in 1886--my >>> grandfather >>> was born in 1888 and is not here. Their sister Anna was baptised at St. >>> Raphael's in 1895 and was married there in 1914 [there is a notation to >>> this effect >>> in the margin by her baptism record]. So, I need to see what parish the >>> family belonged to prior to 1891 if I want to find my grandfather's >>> baptism >>> records. I will also order birth certificates for older siblings to see >>> the >>> "previous births" count. One sibling was born in 1881 and then there is >>> a >>> long break >>> in known births until 1885. Long by the standards of the times :) >>> >>> Someone along the way here told me about St. Raphael's birth records >>> on >>> microfilm--this was a big find: thank you! It was easy to look through >>> this >>> film for family names--as I call other parishes, I'll have a yes or a no >>> reply >>> for the name and general date that I forward to their contact person. >>> >>> Take care to all, and a blessed St. Patrick's Day. >>> >>> Cathy >> >> >> >> >> ************** >> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> Finance. >> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks Cathy! I will try that. I had put finding anything aside for a while as it was so discouraging. Hopefully, I will have a break-through this time! Thanks again! Patricia Connors Nowlin ----- Original Message ----- From: "cathy hatcher" <cathhat@yahoo.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Birth Certificates and Surprise information > Particia, > > Ancestry.com does include a database of NYC births 1891-1902. This > database gives date of birth and certificate number. If you find a match, > there is a long process you can follow to get a copy of the certificate > through the LDS Family History Library [$2, I think] or a quicker process > can get a copy straight from NYC archives [$10, I think]. The family > address and place of birth should be on the certificate as well as his > parents' names and their places of birth and occupations. > > > Cathy > > Win Nowlin <wnowlin@san.rr.com> wrote: Hello, All! > > My e-mail has been down for sometime and I just picked up on the following > 2 > e-mails today! I missed all the rest of this thread. > My father was born in NYC in 1891 and I haven't found a birth certificate > yet. > I know my Grandparent's names, but that is it. > What database are you accessing? > > Thanks so much!!!!! > > Patricia Connors Nowlin > San Diego, Ca. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Birth Certificates and Surprise information > > >> Sounds like you need a thorough Directories search to help you track this >> family and their parish. One of my Irish had kids baptized at 5 >> different >> parishes. May 1 was the unofficial moving day in NYC, in the 1800s. >> B McK >> >> >> >> cathhat@yahoo.com writes: >> >> >>> So, here is how this turned out. One child, Thomas, was baptised at St. >>> Raphael's Church on 27 Oct 1891--no other baptisms mentioned. >>> >>> Back to the drawing board. None of the earlier children were in St. >>> Raphael's baptism records, so the family must have switched parishes >>> [parish >>> records (and existence, if I understand correctly) begin in 1886--my >>> grandfather >>> was born in 1888 and is not here. Their sister Anna was baptised at St. >>> Raphael's in 1895 and was married there in 1914 [there is a notation to >>> this effect >>> in the margin by her baptism record]. So, I need to see what parish the >>> family belonged to prior to 1891 if I want to find my grandfather's >>> baptism >>> records. I will also order birth certificates for older siblings to see >>> the >>> "previous births" count. One sibling was born in 1881 and then there is >>> a >>> long break >>> in known births until 1885. Long by the standards of the times :) >>> >>> Someone along the way here told me about St. Raphael's birth records >>> on >>> microfilm--this was a big find: thank you! It was easy to look through >>> this >>> film for family names--as I call other parishes, I'll have a yes or a no >>> reply >>> for the name and general date that I forward to their contact person. >>> >>> Take care to all, and a blessed St. Patrick's Day. >>> >>> Cathy >> >> >> >> >> ************** >> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> Finance. >> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi, Maureen, Thanks for the info! Also, I happened to notice we have an ancestral name in common: FITZGERALD. I don't have time today, but I'll get back with you next week and see if we have any crossover! Patricia Connors Nowlin (the Other California Pat Connors) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen Shelly" <mcshelly2@msn.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 11:19 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Parishes Give BAPTISMAL Certificates Not BirthCertificates! > > It is very important to know the DATE every parish was founded and to keep > a list at hand as you go along, because new parishes were opening > frequently to serve the huge numbers of immigrants and others moving into > the city every day. Parishes were just growing too large and were divided > and then divided again and again. And it was happening very quickly. > > I think I got my list from the NYBrooklyn web site at rootsweb.com --- but > perhaps from the Archdiocese of New York's own web site. > > My great-grandparents did NOT move between 1883 - 1911, in fact they lived > in the same apt. in the same building in Chelsea all those years --- but > during those years they were in three different parishes, and their > children and grandchildren were caught up in the changes as well, as they > all lived nearby and some were changing with the others, and some were not > changing at all --- or making still other changes because they lived the > furthest south or east! > > MaureenResearching: Costello (Galway and Mayo), Cotter, Durcan/Durkin, > Higgins, Lynch, McCarthy (Manhattan), Raftree/Raftery (Galway), Shannon, > Sullivan, Amacher, Baur, Bove, Cremer, Ehlen, Fischer, Gansberg, Giefer, > Hamacher, Hense/Henseler, Hofmann/Hoeffeler, Jackler/Jackelen, Jaegers, > Koch, Kratz, Krebs, Marlo/Marlot/Morlo, Mueller/Meller, Mertes, Pick, > Reetz, Rheinges,Reichardt/Reichert, Rick, Schmieden, Seitz/Zeidt, > vonAlleman/Vollerman, vonMeer, Weiskopf, Zens, Albright, Compton, > Corselius, Clemens/Clements, Daly (Galway), Early, Fallon (Galway), Greene > (Waterford), Callahan, Fitzgerald, McCarthy (Illinois), McGrath > (Waterford), Moss, Mullenix/Mullinax, Prichard, Reilly, Shelly, Shook, > Tye. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I guess I should clarify what I meant--I was describing the process you follow to request, not the length of time it takes any party to reply to you. Sorry for the vagueness! Melanie Egan <megan@cfl.rr.com> wrote: LDS has gotten a lot quicker. I consistently receive copies back within two weeks. I usually fax the request so that cuts down on the mailing time to them. The Municipal Archives, on the other hand, get take up to 6 weeks for copies. I've also found very few birth certificates for my Irish NYC relatives. Even my father, born in 1907, didn't have a birth certificate . If your father's family was Catholic, another option is to track down the baptismal record. Lastly, I've sometimes found where the year of birth was wrong. Everything about my grandmother said she was born in 1885 but I know have the baptismal and birth certificates and she was born in 1884. Melanie Orlando FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "cathy hatcher" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Birth Certificates and Surprise information > Particia, > > Ancestry.com does include a database of NYC births 1891-1902. This > database gives date of birth and certificate number. If you find a match, > there is a long process you can follow to get a copy of the certificate > through the LDS Family History Library [$2, I think] or a quicker process > can get a copy straight from NYC archives [$10, I think]. The family > address and place of birth should be on the certificate as well as his > parents' names and their places of birth and occupations. > > > Cathy > > Win Nowlin wrote: Hello, All! > > My e-mail has been down for sometime and I just picked up on the following > 2 > e-mails today! I missed all the rest of this thread. > My father was born in NYC in 1891 and I haven't found a birth certificate > yet. > I know my Grandparent's names, but that is it. > What database are you accessing? > > Thanks so much!!!!! > > Patricia Connors Nowlin > San Diego, Ca. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Birth Certificates and Surprise information > > >> Sounds like you need a thorough Directories search to help you track this >> family and their parish. One of my Irish had kids baptized at 5 >> different >> parishes. May 1 was the unofficial moving day in NYC, in the 1800s. >> B McK >> >> >> >> cathhat@yahoo.com writes: >> >> >>> So, here is how this turned out. One child, Thomas, was baptised at St. >>> Raphael's Church on 27 Oct 1891--no other baptisms mentioned. >>> >>> Back to the drawing board. None of the earlier children were in St. >>> Raphael's baptism records, so the family must have switched parishes >>> [parish >>> records (and existence, if I understand correctly) begin in 1886--my >>> grandfather >>> was born in 1888 and is not here. Their sister Anna was baptised at St. >>> Raphael's in 1895 and was married there in 1914 [there is a notation to >>> this effect >>> in the margin by her baptism record]. So, I need to see what parish the >>> family belonged to prior to 1891 if I want to find my grandfather's >>> baptism >>> records. I will also order birth certificates for older siblings to see >>> the >>> "previous births" count. One sibling was born in 1881 and then there is >>> a >>> long break >>> in known births until 1885. Long by the standards of the times :) >>> >>> Someone along the way here told me about St. Raphael's birth records >>> on >>> microfilm--this was a big find: thank you! It was easy to look through >>> this >>> film for family names--as I call other parishes, I'll have a yes or a no >>> reply >>> for the name and general date that I forward to their contact person. >>> >>> Take care to all, and a blessed St. Patrick's Day. >>> >>> Cathy >> >> >> >> >> ************** >> It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >> Finance. >> (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message www.penniesforpeace.org --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Particia, Ancestry.com does include a database of NYC births 1891-1902. This database gives date of birth and certificate number. If you find a match, there is a long process you can follow to get a copy of the certificate through the LDS Family History Library [$2, I think] or a quicker process can get a copy straight from NYC archives [$10, I think]. The family address and place of birth should be on the certificate as well as his parents' names and their places of birth and occupations. Cathy Win Nowlin <wnowlin@san.rr.com> wrote: Hello, All! My e-mail has been down for sometime and I just picked up on the following 2 e-mails today! I missed all the rest of this thread. My father was born in NYC in 1891 and I haven't found a birth certificate yet. I know my Grandparent's names, but that is it. What database are you accessing? Thanks so much!!!!! Patricia Connors Nowlin San Diego, Ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Birth Certificates and Surprise information > Sounds like you need a thorough Directories search to help you track this > family and their parish. One of my Irish had kids baptized at 5 different > parishes. May 1 was the unofficial moving day in NYC, in the 1800s. > B McK > > > > cathhat@yahoo.com writes: > > >> So, here is how this turned out. One child, Thomas, was baptised at St. >> Raphael's Church on 27 Oct 1891--no other baptisms mentioned. >> >> Back to the drawing board. None of the earlier children were in St. >> Raphael's baptism records, so the family must have switched parishes >> [parish >> records (and existence, if I understand correctly) begin in 1886--my >> grandfather >> was born in 1888 and is not here. Their sister Anna was baptised at St. >> Raphael's in 1895 and was married there in 1914 [there is a notation to >> this effect >> in the margin by her baptism record]. So, I need to see what parish the >> family belonged to prior to 1891 if I want to find my grandfather's >> baptism >> records. I will also order birth certificates for older siblings to see >> the >> "previous births" count. One sibling was born in 1881 and then there is a >> long break >> in known births until 1885. Long by the standards of the times :) >> >> Someone along the way here told me about St. Raphael's birth records on >> microfilm--this was a big find: thank you! It was easy to look through >> this >> film for family names--as I call other parishes, I'll have a yes or a no >> reply >> for the name and general date that I forward to their contact person. >> >> Take care to all, and a blessed St. Patrick's Day. >> >> Cathy > > > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
It is very important to know the DATE every parish was founded and to keep a list at hand as you go along, because new parishes were opening frequently to serve the huge numbers of immigrants and others moving into the city every day. Parishes were just growing too large and were divided and then divided again and again. And it was happening very quickly. I think I got my list from the NYBrooklyn web site at rootsweb.com --- but perhaps from the Archdiocese of New York's own web site. My great-grandparents did NOT move between 1883 - 1911, in fact they lived in the same apt. in the same building in Chelsea all those years --- but during those years they were in three different parishes, and their children and grandchildren were caught up in the changes as well, as they all lived nearby and some were changing with the others, and some were not changing at all --- or making still other changes because they lived the furthest south or east! MaureenResearching: Costello (Galway and Mayo), Cotter, Durcan/Durkin, Higgins, Lynch, McCarthy (Manhattan), Raftree/Raftery (Galway), Shannon, Sullivan, Amacher, Baur, Bove, Cremer, Ehlen, Fischer, Gansberg, Giefer, Hamacher, Hense/Henseler, Hofmann/Hoeffeler, Jackler/Jackelen, Jaegers, Koch, Kratz, Krebs, Marlo/Marlot/Morlo, Mueller/Meller, Mertes, Pick, Reetz, Rheinges,Reichardt/Reichert, Rick, Schmieden, Seitz/Zeidt, vonAlleman/Vollerman, vonMeer, Weiskopf, Zens, Albright, Compton, Corselius, Clemens/Clements, Daly (Galway), Early, Fallon (Galway), Greene (Waterford), Callahan, Fitzgerald, McCarthy (Illinois), McGrath (Waterford), Moss, Mullenix/Mullinax, Prichard, Reilly, Shelly, Shook, Tye.
Hello, All! My e-mail has been down for sometime and I just picked up on the following 2 e-mails today! I missed all the rest of this thread. My father was born in NYC in 1891 and I haven't found a birth certificate yet. I know my Grandparent's names, but that is it. What database are you accessing? Thanks so much!!!!! Patricia Connors Nowlin San Diego, Ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: <HeirLinesNY@aol.com> To: <irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Birth Certificates and Surprise information > Sounds like you need a thorough Directories search to help you track this > family and their parish. One of my Irish had kids baptized at 5 different > parishes. May 1 was the unofficial moving day in NYC, in the 1800s. > B McK > > > > cathhat@yahoo.com writes: > > >> So, here is how this turned out. One child, Thomas, was baptised at St. >> Raphael's Church on 27 Oct 1891--no other baptisms mentioned. >> >> Back to the drawing board. None of the earlier children were in St. >> Raphael's baptism records, so the family must have switched parishes >> [parish >> records (and existence, if I understand correctly) begin in 1886--my >> grandfather >> was born in 1888 and is not here. Their sister Anna was baptised at St. >> Raphael's in 1895 and was married there in 1914 [there is a notation to >> this effect >> in the margin by her baptism record]. So, I need to see what parish the >> family belonged to prior to 1891 if I want to find my grandfather's >> baptism >> records. I will also order birth certificates for older siblings to see >> the >> "previous births" count. One sibling was born in 1881 and then there is a >> long break >> in known births until 1885. Long by the standards of the times :) >> >> Someone along the way here told me about St. Raphael's birth records on >> microfilm--this was a big find: thank you! It was easy to look through >> this >> film for family names--as I call other parishes, I'll have a yes or a no >> reply >> for the name and general date that I forward to their contact person. >> >> Take care to all, and a blessed St. Patrick's Day. >> >> Cathy > > > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Cathy, Remember that not every birth has a birth certificate. It is surprising that Thomas' 1891 birth was recorded twice. Remember that Holy Cross is awfully close to St. Raphael. Their records are indexed so it is a pretty quick search either way at $10 a search. On Mar 11, 2008, at 4:18 PM, HeirLinesNY@aol.com wrote: > Sounds like you need a thorough Directories search to help you > track this > family and their parish. One of my Irish had kids baptized at 5 > different > parishes. May 1 was the unofficial moving day in NYC, in the 1800s. > B McK > > > > cathhat@yahoo.com writes: > > >> So, here is how this turned out. One child, Thomas, was baptised >> at St. >> Raphael's Church on 27 Oct 1891--no other baptisms mentioned. >> >> Back to the drawing board. None of the earlier children were in St. >> Raphael's baptism records, so the family must have switched >> parishes [parish >> records (and existence, if I understand correctly) begin in 1886-- >> my grandfather >> was born in 1888 and is not here. Their sister Anna was baptised >> at St. >> Raphael's in 1895 and was married there in 1914 [there is a >> notation to this effect >> in the margin by her baptism record]. So, I need to see what >> parish the >> family belonged to prior to 1891 if I want to find my >> grandfather's baptism >> records. I will also order birth certificates for older siblings >> to see the >> "previous births" count. One sibling was born in 1881 and then >> there is a long break >> in known births until 1885. Long by the standards of the times :) >> >> Someone along the way here told me about St. Raphael's birth >> records on >> microfilm--this was a big find: thank you! It was easy to look >> through this >> film for family names--as I call other parishes, I'll have a yes >> or a no reply >> for the name and general date that I forward to their contact person. >> >> Take care to all, and a blessed St. Patrick's Day. >> >> Cathy > > > > > ************** > It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. > (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW- > YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Sounds like you need a thorough Directories search to help you track this family and their parish. One of my Irish had kids baptized at 5 different parishes. May 1 was the unofficial moving day in NYC, in the 1800s. B McK cathhat@yahoo.com writes: > So, here is how this turned out. One child, Thomas, was baptised at St. > Raphael's Church on 27 Oct 1891--no other baptisms mentioned. > > Back to the drawing board. None of the earlier children were in St. > Raphael's baptism records, so the family must have switched parishes [parish > records (and existence, if I understand correctly) begin in 1886--my grandfather > was born in 1888 and is not here. Their sister Anna was baptised at St. > Raphael's in 1895 and was married there in 1914 [there is a notation to this effect > in the margin by her baptism record]. So, I need to see what parish the > family belonged to prior to 1891 if I want to find my grandfather's baptism > records. I will also order birth certificates for older siblings to see the > "previous births" count. One sibling was born in 1881 and then there is a long break > in known births until 1885. Long by the standards of the times :) > > Someone along the way here told me about St. Raphael's birth records on > microfilm--this was a big find: thank you! It was easy to look through this > film for family names--as I call other parishes, I'll have a yes or a no reply > for the name and general date that I forward to their contact person. > > Take care to all, and a blessed St. Patrick's Day. > > Cathy ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)
So, here is how this turned out. One child, Thomas, was baptised at St. Raphael's Church on 27 Oct 1891--no other baptisms mentioned. Back to the drawing board. None of the earlier children were in St. Raphael's baptism records, so the family must have switched parishes [parish records (and existence, if I understand correctly) begin in 1886--my grandfather was born in 1888 and is not here. Their sister Anna was baptised at St. Raphael's in 1895 and was married there in 1914 [there is a notation to this effect in the margin by her baptism record]. So, I need to see what parish the family belonged to prior to 1891 if I want to find my grandfather's baptism records. I will also order birth certificates for older siblings to see the "previous births" count. One sibling was born in 1881 and then there is a long break in known births until 1885. Long by the standards of the times :) Someone along the way here told me about St. Raphael's birth records on microfilm--this was a big find: thank you! It was easy to look through this film for family names--as I call other parishes, I'll have a yes or a no reply for the name and general date that I forward to their contact person. Take care to all, and a blessed St. Patrick's Day. Cathy Michelle and Kevin Cassidy <kmct@earthlink.net> wrote: Working from knowns to unknowns we have Kate and Bryan Gaughran at 540 West 42nd Street Twins are delivered on 16 Oct 1891. Birth certificate #36644 is for a nameless child. This is not so uncommon as the doctor may not know the family that well and the parents may not have decided. (I have a family with 6 kids born between 1891-1901, 4 have birth certificates but only the 1901 has a name. The 1891, 1896 and 1898 did not. Ironically these three nameless children lived to adulthood while the 1892 and 1894 that did not have birth certificates at all and the named one in 1901 all die before they are six-months-old. They lived in this same neighborhood. The 1891 and 1892 were baptized at Holy Cross, 1894, 1896 and 1898 were baptized at St. Raphael. The 1901 was baptized at Sacred Heart.) There were five previous births and six living children. This means that there were children 1,2,3,4 and 5 when 6 was born. If 6 is the first born twin and takes a breath that is still true. One would expect that the second twin would be born momentarily and then the numbers are six previous births including the now 2 minute old baby even if he has already died and then 7 if twin 1/baby 6 is alive and 6 still living if twin 1/baby 6 has passed away. There is a chance that the doctor added wrong but the question asked was number of children born before this new baby. If none of your kids die the second number will always be higher because the new baby is not in the first part but is in the second. Babies that later die still count for number of previous births but not for number still living. Birth certificate #36820 for Charles says 6 previous children but only 4 now living. There may have been confusion but another child may have died this day as well. Highly unlikely since twins are born within moments unless something went very differently. There were no Gaughrans that died according to the 1891 death index online but that does not mean that it was not recorded. Below is the Thomas citation you mention. Dr. Molony had cared for the family before and he may have given more reliable information than Dr. Sanders. Perhaps Dr. Sanders was the only doctor they could find and Dr. Molony came around before the birth was over and delivered the second twin. If two doctors were filing the birth of twins that would nicely explain why they do not have sequential birth certificate numbers. Dr. Molony kept being their doctor as he handled the death of Thomas in 1892. Gaughran Thomas 14 m Dec 26 1892 #43826 Manhattan 1891 - 1892 People often changed the names of children. I have a birth certificate for Allan in 1890 but in the Police Census and thereafter he is Francis. I just thought though what is your basis for them being twins? Maybe Dr. Sanders delivered and reported the birth of a single child. The baby was sick or Dr. Molony came by to check on him and wanted to make sure the birth was registered and he registered it himself. One event was possibly recorded by two doctors. It is rather odd that there is no burial information. I would think either there was no second baby at all or maybe he did not die but was institutionalized. Especially by 1891 the death certificates are statistically complete. Calvary etc. would not dream of burying a kid without a death certificate by 1891. St. Raphael was just south of them at 541 West 41st Street. This is one of the few parishes that has records available through the FHL in Salt Lake City. For $5.50 you can see a microfilm of the original baptismal register yourself. You might even find other Gaughran children baptized in these records. Ellen at Holy Cross is a gem. The fee is $10 per request. Send a SASE too. There is an index so she is very quick and information is reliable. As for full notations and see if there is a notation stating Gemini in the margins. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message www.penniesforpeace.org --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Thank you. Interesting site. Georgia Message: 2 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:15:19 +0000 From: corbyoconnor@comcast.net Subject: [IRISH-NYC] www.irelandoldnews.com To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Message-ID: < 030820081715.7735.47D2C9A70007927E00001E3722147564029D010202010C01970D9D010C@comcast.net > I just learned of this site. Full of information...obits, marriages, etc. in Ireland and the States www.irelandoldnews.com -- www.corbyoconnor.com
Hi Jim, I hadn't realized Tracy had left. Did she say goodbye? If so, I missed it all! Maybe I was away at the time and just deleting things that looked routine, or something, as I have more than 75,000 unread emails!!! Is she still maintaining the web site? I just haven't looked lately -- looking in Ireland and Germany and Belgium for the last few years. Maybe she's enjoying a new life with a new love? Got a fulltime job? We used to write a lot years ago, but found that outside genealogy we were not compatible. Especially politically. But we have a lot of the same Irish names in our NY-NJ family lines. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com To: irish-new-york-city@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Tracy Cassidy Hello Ro: I too miss Tracy and hope that she returns to liven the 'place' up with her wit and knowledge. I tried contacting her by two different telephone numbers listed in the internet white pages but had no luck there. Last contact with her was about a year and a half ago and at that time she was in the process of moving from her Houston? area. I wonder if any of the 'long timers' of the list may have a clue to where and how she is. You know, she had and still has many friends. Jim McCarthy >============================================ >Hi Jim, > By the way how is good ole' Tracy? I for one miss her on the list. She was so full of information and did such a great job. The list is just not the same without her. Please tell her hey for me. > Thanks, > Ro > >SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com wrote: > Hello Michelle and Kevin; > >You may have been asked this question before but are you kin to Tracy >Cassidy, the originator of this list: Irish-New York City ? > >Thank You >Jim McCarthy > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >Rose Mary A.(Mc Grath)Neal > >------------------------------ > >To contact the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list administrator, send an email to >IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY mailing list, send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 52 >************************************************** > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I just learned of this site. Full of information...obits, marriages, etc. in Ireland and the States www.irelandoldnews.com -- www.corbyoconnor.com -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: KTRACY1999@aol.com > Georgia, > > > There was a State TB Sanatorium/Hospital in Farmingdale, Long Island that I > used to go to with my Mom (in the 50's) as they thought she might have TB due > to chronic childhood illnesses of pneumonia, croup, etc., that scarred her > lungs. > > My Mom would have her appointments at the main building, where my brother > and I would have to wait on a hard bench in the long hallway, while she was > seeing the doctor. I remember the place being full of people, cold, dark, and > dank in the afternoon, with voices echoing because of the high ceilings, and > the large building was old looking. I would say that the Sanatorium was > probably built in the early 1900's. There was more than one building as TB > was/is > an infectious disease. The sanatorium is not there anymore as I think the > State University of Farmingdale is using that state property now. > > Since your Helen Wilson was buried in Brooklyn, I would say that there was a > good chance of her being 'in the country' in Farmingdale, because "out in > the country of Long Island" (approximately 30 miles from the city) was a popular > place for vacations > for the people from the city and Brooklyn at that time, for fun and rest for > 'well-being.' Now, if you find out that a close relative of hers lived > upstate, that's a different story -good chance that she would have been sent > upstate. > > You are vague on the information that you have given. How do you know that > she was buried at Holy Cross in Brooklyn and where did you get her death date? > > I don't know what 'desired data' you say you are looking for, but before you > try and get any sanatorium information (which, I believe, will be very hard > to get, when and if, you do find out the one she was in), here are a couple of > suggestions of finding other information: > > 1. Since you don't know where she died, I have looked on the Steve Morse > (for deaths) site at: _http://www.stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath.html_ > (http://www.stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath.html) > > ...... if her death was in one of the boroughs of New York City. I looked > for any records between 1916 and 1918. Here is what came up. I also looked > under Helen Quinn and nothing came up age wise that would correspond to your > Helen. > > Wilson Helen F 49 y Apr 9 1917 death cert #8060 > Kings > Wilson Helen 55 y Aug 4 1917 death cert #24048 > Manhattan > > I also looked up - Helen Quinn marriage in 1917 - and there was only one for > June, 1917 and the groom's surname was not Wilson. > Surname Given Name Month > of Marriage Day > of Marriage Year > of Marriage County Certificate > Number View > Bride Condon William J June 10 1917 Manhattan 18180 Helen M. Quinn > > > > 2. Get her burial information from Holy Cross. Now, if you're not sure of > her exact birth or death date, use her mother or fathers death date to get > all of the information. This will tell you her exact death date and place. > Here is the information you will need for contacting Holy Cross - > HOLY CROSS CEMETERY > 3620 Tilden Avenue > Brooklyn, New York 11203 > 718-284-4520 > > I would call them after 3pm, when their day is winding down and they will > have more time to help you. This information will give a lot of help. Then > you will have a point to start with. > > 3. If she died on Long Island, you will have to get the certificate from > the town of where she died - OR - the town hall can direct you to where you > need to call/write. It can get complicated here, so you should read the > following: _http://www.longisland.com/towns.php_ > (http://www.longisland.com/towns.php) so that you can understand how the > system works on Long Island and where > you will need to write to for certificates. > > 4. Have you checked the 1910 federal census for her? The 1915 state census? > You might find Helen on the 1915 state census in Farmingdale, Nassau > County, NY. and this might pinpoint the area that she was living at the time. > You > didn't have her age listed, so I haven't tried looking for her on any census. > > I believe you can order the state 1915 census through your local LDS Church > Library or the LDS site - _http://www.familysearch.org/_ > (http://www.familysearch.org/) > > 5. Since there is a great possibility that Helen and her parents lived in > the New York City area, you might want to take a look at one of the best sites > for all kinds of great NYC information: > _http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/index.html_ > (http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/index.html) > > A lot of dedicated listers time, money, and information have gone into the > site and more information is being added all the time. It is a great site for > anyone needing information for the Bronx (Bronx Co.), Manhattan (NY Co.), > Staten Island (Richmond Co.), Brooklyn (Kings Co.), Queens (Queens Co.), and > Nassau and Suffolk counties on Long Island. > > Good luck Georgia! > > Kathleen Tracy~CT. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Original message: > > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:54:18 -0500 > > From: "Georgia Evans" <georgiaeva@gmail.com> > > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] TB sanitarium early 1900's - NY or vicinity > > > Does anyone have any idea where someone with TB, about 1915, might have been > sent "to the country for a cure"? Helen Quinn Wilson - death bed marriage, > so the story goes, died about Jun 1917. She is buried in Cemetery of the Holy > Cross, in Brooklyn, with her parents, but I don't know where she died, or was > married, or to whom, other than Wilson. If I knew where to look for a TB > sanitarium/hospital, "in the country", I might be able to find the rest of the > desired data. Thanks > Georgia > > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Georgia, There was a State TB Sanatorium/Hospital in Farmingdale, Long Island that I used to go to with my Mom (in the 50's) as they thought she might have TB due to chronic childhood illnesses of pneumonia, croup, etc., that scarred her lungs. My Mom would have her appointments at the main building, where my brother and I would have to wait on a hard bench in the long hallway, while she was seeing the doctor. I remember the place being full of people, cold, dark, and dank in the afternoon, with voices echoing because of the high ceilings, and the large building was old looking. I would say that the Sanatorium was probably built in the early 1900's. There was more than one building as TB was/is an infectious disease. The sanatorium is not there anymore as I think the State University of Farmingdale is using that state property now. Since your Helen Wilson was buried in Brooklyn, I would say that there was a good chance of her being 'in the country' in Farmingdale, because "out in the country of Long Island" (approximately 30 miles from the city) was a popular place for vacations for the people from the city and Brooklyn at that time, for fun and rest for 'well-being.' Now, if you find out that a close relative of hers lived upstate, that's a different story -good chance that she would have been sent upstate. You are vague on the information that you have given. How do you know that she was buried at Holy Cross in Brooklyn and where did you get her death date? I don't know what 'desired data' you say you are looking for, but before you try and get any sanatorium information (which, I believe, will be very hard to get, when and if, you do find out the one she was in), here are a couple of suggestions of finding other information: 1. Since you don't know where she died, I have looked on the Steve Morse (for deaths) site at: _http://www.stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath.html_ (http://www.stevemorse.org/vital/nydeath.html) ...... if her death was in one of the boroughs of New York City. I looked for any records between 1916 and 1918. Here is what came up. I also looked under Helen Quinn and nothing came up age wise that would correspond to your Helen. Wilson Helen F 49 y Apr 9 1917 death cert #8060 Kings Wilson Helen 55 y Aug 4 1917 death cert #24048 Manhattan I also looked up - Helen Quinn marriage in 1917 - and there was only one for June, 1917 and the groom's surname was not Wilson. Surname Given Name Month of Marriage Day of Marriage Year of Marriage County Certificate Number View Bride Condon William J June 10 1917 Manhattan 18180 Helen M. Quinn 2. Get her burial information from Holy Cross. Now, if you're not sure of her exact birth or death date, use her mother or fathers death date to get all of the information. This will tell you her exact death date and place. Here is the information you will need for contacting Holy Cross - HOLY CROSS CEMETERY 3620 Tilden Avenue Brooklyn, New York 11203 718-284-4520 I would call them after 3pm, when their day is winding down and they will have more time to help you. This information will give a lot of help. Then you will have a point to start with. 3. If she died on Long Island, you will have to get the certificate from the town of where she died - OR - the town hall can direct you to where you need to call/write. It can get complicated here, so you should read the following: _http://www.longisland.com/towns.php_ (http://www.longisland.com/towns.php) so that you can understand how the system works on Long Island and where you will need to write to for certificates. 4. Have you checked the 1910 federal census for her? The 1915 state census? You might find Helen on the 1915 state census in Farmingdale, Nassau County, NY. and this might pinpoint the area that she was living at the time. You didn't have her age listed, so I haven't tried looking for her on any census. I believe you can order the state 1915 census through your local LDS Church Library or the LDS site - _http://www.familysearch.org/_ (http://www.familysearch.org/) 5. Since there is a great possibility that Helen and her parents lived in the New York City area, you might want to take a look at one of the best sites for all kinds of great NYC information: _http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/index.html_ (http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/index.html) A lot of dedicated listers time, money, and information have gone into the site and more information is being added all the time. It is a great site for anyone needing information for the Bronx (Bronx Co.), Manhattan (NY Co.), Staten Island (Richmond Co.), Brooklyn (Kings Co.), Queens (Queens Co.), and Nassau and Suffolk counties on Long Island. Good luck Georgia! Kathleen Tracy~CT. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Original message: > Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 09:54:18 -0500 > From: "Georgia Evans" <georgiaeva@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] TB sanitarium early 1900's - NY or vicinity > Does anyone have any idea where someone with TB, about 1915, might have been sent "to the country for a cure"? Helen Quinn Wilson - death bed marriage, so the story goes, died about Jun 1917. She is buried in Cemetery of the Holy Cross, in Brooklyn, with her parents, but I don't know where she died, or was married, or to whom, other than Wilson. If I knew where to look for a TB sanitarium/hospital, "in the country", I might be able to find the rest of the desired data. Thanks Georgia **************It's Tax Time! 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