Tracy, Thanks for your fast reply to my questions. Olive

The Irish-American was published in New York City. The news, marriage and death notices from Ireland were gathered by their staff from Irish newspapers and/or reporters they had in Ireland. (For example, the Irish-American had an office in Dublin.) So, would the families appearing in the announcements have had family in the US? Probably, due to the large influx of Famine immigrants. (Even if it was just a distant relative.) The names that appear in the Information Wanted column were for people who had 'disappeared' somewhere in the US or Canada. Take care, Tracy

Was the Irish American newspaper published in New York or Ireland? If a death that took place in Ireland is published does that mean the individual had relatives in the U.S.?

Dear Jackie, During the day it takes longer to access the game site for the 1820 Village Picture game.  When I accessed it late at night it only took e or 4 minutes to download.  Today when I went in to get the names for you it took almost 10 minutes. Here are the names of people in the painting: Left to Right: Benjamin Meeker- Carpenter Judge Garrison - Judge thomas Birdsall - Hardware Store Owner Jacob Hicks- Well known Family in Town No Name - Wood Sawyer Mrs Gilbert Titus- ? wife of Abiel Titus? Abiel Titus - Homeowner w Barnyard Jeff- African American Employee of Abiel Titus James Titus- Son of Abiel Titus No Name - Coal Shoveler  Here is the URL again for those that missed the posting: The URL is : http://www.brooklynexpedition.org/brooklyn/Default.htm Click on the bottom circle labeled "neighborhoods" Click on "Brooklyn Heights". Click on the "Magnifier" to enlarge the picture, Takes awhile to come up. When the picture is loaded, float the curser over the chickens & they will move.  There is a game link at the top left. This will identify the people. Hope this helps. Mary strovink@frazmtn.com (Mary Strovink Daukas)

All the transcriptions that are being sent to the list are being added to the list website, and equipped with a search engine. All of the transcriptions for the March editions of the Irish-American have been uploaded. You will find the search engine on the home page. http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com Take care, Tracy

Irish-American July 4, 1857 News in New York City Serious riots took place in New York and its vicinty, on Sunday last. In the 11th Ward on Sunday a gang of rowdies made an attack on Hook and Ladder Company No. 12. Capt. McKINNEY, of the 13th Ward, and nine of his policemen, happening to be in the neighborhood, interferred to quell the riot and succeeded in arresting the leader of the rowdies. His companions then attacked the police, rescued the prisoner, and inflicted desperate injuries on some of the officers. Capt. McKINNEY, it is feared, will not recover. Another fight took place at Hudson Park, between a number of Germans, who were on an excursion, and some rowdies who molested them. Several of the Germans were badly beaten, and a man named John McCARTHY, of the opposite party, was carried off the field insensible. In Williamsburgh a riot took place in First Street, near Grand, originating with a German who was beating his wife. A number of bystanders were drawn into the row, and Frank KELLY, James QUINN, and two others unknown were stabbed severely. A fireman's riot also took place at a fire in Water St., Brooklyn, between engine companies 5 and 7. A man named William McCORMACK, employed at N?dine's livery stables, was run over and had his leg fractured. The Ancient Order of Hibernians Benevolent Society of New York - Peter R. GAYNOR, National Delegate and Secretary John TUCKER, Deputy Secretary Patrick McCAFFREY, Aid Michael McGRANN, Aid John FINLEY, Aid

Irish-American July 4, 1857 Information Wanted Meath - Of Edward DALY, a native of Kilmesson, county Meath, Ireland; when last heard from he was working in a towel factory in Columbus, Ohio. Any information of him, dead or alive, will be thankfully received by sending a few lines to his sister, Rose GERITY, Astoria, Long Island, Queens County, New York. Ohio papers please copy. Tipperary - Of Michael GRANT, from near Cashel, county Tipperary, Ireland, who came to this country a few years ago. Should this meet his eye or any person who knows his present residence and address, they will confer a favor by writing or sending to his brother, John, 83 Gold Street, between Plymouth and Water Street, Brooklyn, Ny. Limerick - M.H. CORBETT, late of Limerick, Ireland, will find a letter from D.J. KENNY (now of Baltimore) by calling at the General Post Office, New York.

Irish-American July 4, 1857 News from Ireland Tyrone - On Tuesday, June the 9th, an Oliver WHITENSIDE, aged seventeen years, son of Mr. W. WHITENSIDE, a respectable farmer in Killycalpy, about two miles from Stewartstown, was on his way home from the turf bog, with a shovel on his shoulder, he was overtaken by a thunder storm, and was struck with the electric fluid, which deprived him of life on the spot. Mr. McGAUGHEY, of Omagh, has been declared contractor for building the new Convent there, his estimate being much below any of the others, 5,022 pounds. The personal property of the late Hon. and Rev. Charles DUGLAS, of Tyrone, has been proved under his will at 2,000 pounds. Galway - On the fair day of Galway, as a man named GILMORE, from Carabrowne, was proceeding towards home, he was attacked by the two men named FLEMMING, father and son, and very cruelly treated. When knocked down the younger FLEMMING stabbed him with a knife and then made off. The father and sister were arrested that evening, and committed to prison. GILMORE was removed to the county infirmary, where his wounds were dressed. Young FLEMMING was arrested soon after and lodged in jail. The two men and the girl have been admitted to bail. On the 6th of June, about eleven o'clock, a young man named CONNELL was driving a cart from Athenry to Tuam, and within a very short distance of his house, going along a small boreen, the cart and mule were upset into a deep rut or pit on the road side, and the deceased, being at the time asleep inside a box or crate which was fixed on the cart, was suffocated before any assistance reached him. He was only 22 years of age, and was the chief support of his aged parents. We have seen some splendid specimens of new potatoes grown in the open air, on the lands of Ardfey, the property of James BLAKE, Esq. The gardener is Thomas DONNELLAN. They are a fine specimen of the productiveness of the season. The speculations in exportation of potatoes from Ireland have completely failed. The prices in Dublin, Liverpool and London are lower than at home.

Irish-American July 4, 1857 Marriages in Ireland June 1, in Monkstown Church, John C. SMITH, Esq., son of the late John SMITH, Esq., of Bristol, to Elizabeth, second daughter of the late Stephen PARKER, of Dublin. June 4 at Werburgh's Church, Dublin, John SEYBURNE, Esq., Castle Street, to Harriet Adelaide, daughter of J. COLGAN, Esq., of Mayfield, county Kildare. June 4 at the Roman Catholic Church, Liscard, Cheshire, George, third son of Michael KEOGH, Esq., of Geevagh, county Sligo, to Teresa, eldest daughter of the late Wm. CARROLL, Esq., of Kingston, county Dublin. June 9 at St. Mark's Church, Dublin, Albert NEWCOMBE, Esq., of Plymouth, to Isabella, youngest daughter of the late George Russell CRUISE, Esq., of Dublin. May 28 at Cavan, in the Roman Catholic Cathedral, by the Bishop of Kilmore, Michael GALLAGHER, Esq., of Ballina, Mayo, to Kate, third daughter of Peter McCANN, Esq., Cavan. June 9 at St. Peter's Church, Dublin, Edward B. BRADDELL, Esq., of Victoria, Mallow, county Cork, late Captain in the 70th regiment, to Elizabeth, youngest daughter of Thomas ELLIOTT, Esq., Johnstown House, county Carlow. April 6 at Colgong, Bengal, Harry C. LEVINGE, Esq., youngest son of the late Sir Richard LEVINGE, to Ellen, youngest daughter of R. BARNES, Esq., of Purneah. June 4 in the Presbyterian Church, Longford, Isaac CRAWFORD, Esq., of Troy Villa, Londonderry, to Maryanne, daughter of Wm. GRAY, Cloncoose, county Longford. June 3 at the parish church of Chiswick, Middlesex, D. MACKENZIE, Esq., of Canton, China, son of the late Major D. MACKENZIE, to Ricarda, youngest daughter of the late Captain Richard CROKER, R.N., foermly of Thornbury, Queen's County. June 4 at Rathfarnham Church, Thomas J. RENNICK, eldest son of George RENNICK, Lough Derry, county Monaghan, to Eliza Margaret, youngest daughter of the late Henry Edward STEPHENS, of Bishop Street, Dublin.

Irish-American July 4, 1857 Deaths in Ireland June 9, aged nine days, the infant son of Mr. Henry WEBB, lesee of the Queen's Theatre, Dublin. June 3 at George's Place, Dublin, aged 15, after a long and painful illness, Julia Matilda, third daughter of Patrick SARSFIELD COLSLOUGH, Esq. June 2 at Spring Garden Parade, Dublin, Thomas Alexander, youngest son of the late Thomas H. MAXWELL, Esq. June 5 at Sloperton Lodge, the residence of R.M. MUGGERIDGE, Esq., Belinda, eldest daughter of Wm. L. BADHAM, Esq., of Drumcondra Hill, Dublin. June 5 at Harcourt Terrace, Dublin, Anne, relict of James COLE SHANNON, Esq. June 6, of a short illness, at 49 Rathmines Road, Dublin, Mr. Wm. C. EVANS, Jr., in his 36th year. June 7 at 3 Lower Sherrard Street, Dublin, Robert SUTTER, Esq. June 8 in York Street, Dublin, aged 45, Robert CONWAY, Esq., solicitor. June 9 at Ninnot Place, Dublin, at an advanced age, Sydney, relict of John CONNOR, Esq., M.D., of Oakley Park, Portumna. June 10 at 17 Rathmines Road, Dublin, after a lingering and protracted illness, Sarah, the beloved wife of William SWAINE BARRETT, Esq. June 7 at his residence, Fort View, Haddington Road, Dublin, Daniel SCULLY, Esq., in his 75th year. June 8 at his residence, South Great George's Street, Dublin, Mary, the beloved wife of Jonathan BUCKLEY, late of Essex Street. June 10, the infant son of J. CABRY, Esq., engineer of Midland Great Western Railway. June 9 at the residence of her sister, at Mall House, Lismore, Maria, relict of Major Stephen ORMSBY. June 7 at Kilkenny, Ellen, wife of Thomas WALL, Esq., merchant. June 6 at Clonakilty, county Cork, aged 29 years, John O'HEA, Esq., Manager of the Newport Branch of the West of England and South Wales Bank. June 8, at an advanced age of 97, Edward RICHARDS, Esq., of Harbour View, Courtown Harbour, county Wexford. May 28 at Hastings, Henry DILLON TRENT, Esq., of Belgrade, county Dublin. June 3 at the Palace, Cork, Florence, infant daughter of the Protestant Bishop of Cork. June 7 at the residence of her daughter, Mrs. NORTH, Monkstown, Jane Maria, relict of Richard BLOOD, Esq., Banvale, county Down, aged 86. June 3 at 29 Charlemont Street, Dublin, Mrs. Elizabeth M. WILLIAMS. June 3, Letitia Catherine, the infant daughter of C. FERGUSON, Esq., barrister-at- law. June 4 at Drimna Castle, Crumlin, in the 20th year of her age, Teresa, youngest daughter of the late Edward CAVANAGH, Esq. June 4, Catherine, the beloved wife of Mr. Denis MORAN, of the Glen Hotel, Ashford, county Wicklow, after a long and painful illness. June 3 at his residence in Arklow, aged 29, Mr. Wm. BRADY. In the Convent of the Sisters of Mercy, Waterford, Sister Mary Paula (formerly Miss RICE), a lady who was one of the first to go out as a nurse to the soldiers in the East, and who remained in the Crimea during the entire of the war. June 4 at Battersea, London, Cecilia NAIRN, relict of George NAIRN, A.R.H.A., the well known painter of Dublin. June 1 at Cortual, County Louth, Patrick, son of Mr. P. CLARKE, in the 20th year of his age. The deceased had been a Student in Maynooth College for three years, and gave promise of great ability. May 30 at Ballyhalse, after a long and painful illness, Mrs. KENNEDY, wife of Samuel KENNEDY, Esq., Postmaster of that town. Lost overboard from the ship Polynesia, on the 13th March last, near the Cape of Good Hope, P.F. DUFF, youngest son of the late Thomas DUFF, Esq., of Brooklyn, formerly of Dungarvan, aged 19 years. May 27 at the advanced age of 100, Maryann, relict of T. WILSON, Esq., Rathsallagh, county Wicklow. May 22 at Ardenwood Mills, Ballymore Eustace, county Kildare, Henry S. HOMAN, Esq., aged 69. May 21, the Ven. William LEAHY, Archdeacon of Killala, and Rector of Moylough. May 24 at Milltown House, Dungannon, Robert McCLELLAND, Esq., aged 48. May 25 in Cheltenham, Ralph GORE, Esq., Lieut. R.N., son of the late W. GORE, Esq., Chairman of the Stamp Office, Dublin. May 28 at his seat, Agamartha Castle, county Cork, after a lingering illness, Darby O'GRADY, Esq., brother of the first Lord Viscount GIULLAMORE. May 28, at an advanced age in London, Sarah, Dowager Lady DILLON MASSAY, relict of Sir Hugh DILLON MASSAY, of Doonas House, county Clare. March 27 at Calcutta, Arthur FFORDE, Esq., fourth son of the late James FFORDE, Esq., Raughlan, county Armagh. May 25 in Dundalk, Mr. Michael CARAHER, an old and esteemed inhabitant. May 23 at Portarlington, Mrs. Susan HAMILTON, of Bertie Terrace, Leamington, relict of Rev. Hans HANILTON, formerly Rector of Knocktopher, in the diocese of Ossoty, and daughter of the lat Right Hon. Silver OLIVER, of Castle Oliver, in Limerick.

Thanks for the tip.....Kevin

Forwarded from strovink@frazmtn.com : Haven't seen a posting on this lately. Hope it isn't a repeat.  Found this fun site which has an 1820 Painting of Brooklyn depicting life in the village at that time. The picture takes a long time to load, 3-4 minutes on my slow computer but I found it was worth waiting for. The "game" link on the page, when it finally comes up, will identify the characters in the painting and explain their role in the community. This even gives their names. Thought those of you that are researching that time and this area might enjoy it. Mary Researching: Wm H Barker, Joshua P Gustavus Barker, Eliz Stewart The URL is : http://www.brooklynexpedition.org/brooklyn/Default.htm Click on the bottom circle labeled "neighborhoods" Click on "Brooklyn Heights". Click on the "Magnifier" to enlarge the picture, Takes awhile to come up. When the picture is loaded, float the curser over the chickens & they will move.  There is a " game"  link at the top left. This will actually identify the people in the painting. ENJOY!! Mary Strovink Daukas

If you can get the latest issue of irish America magazine(April/May issue), it's dedicated to the heroes of 9/11. Gloria

Irish-American June 27, 1857 Deaths in Ireland May 31st, at O'Brien's Bridge, after a long and painful illness, Hugh WALSH, Esq., who only survived his son-in-law (James DENNISTON, Esq.) a few days. May 30 at White Hill in her 60th year, Jane, daughter of the late John LANGFORD, Esq., of Kilcongriff, county Limerick. At Adare, on the 27th May, aged 1 year and 10 months, Emily, daughter of Mr. Gerald DOHERTY, postmaster. In Elphin, county Roscommon, Mr. Michael LEARD. At his residence, Broad Street, Limerick, Mr. Peter LANE, grocer and spirit retailer. In Mary Street, Limerick, Miss Bridget O'BRIEN, aged 16 years. At O'Brien's Bridge, the widow LANGFORD. At Dunmanway, Mary, relict of the late Emanuel HUTCHINSON, Esq. At Ballybraher, county Cork, Jane, relict of John BOLES, Esq. Captain NICHOLLS, of the ship "Alexander," of Waterford. In Cork, Emily Sarah, youngest daughter of Mr. R. L. STOOFORD. At Carramoneen, near Tuam, Miss Mary HURLEY, head teacher for many years under the National Board of Education. In Galway, John Henry, only son of John McDOUGALL, esq., proprietor of the Galway Express newspaper. At Rostrevor, the widow BROWNE. Margarette, wife of William GARRETT, Esq., of Janesville, county Carlow. At Ballyward, county Wicklow, William FINNEMOR, Esq., aged 70. May 27 at 9 Upper Dominick Street, Dublin, Richard S.W., third son of R.S.W. HACKETT, Esq., 7th Lancashire Rifles. May 29 at 24 Charlemont Street, Dublin, Miss Margaret DUNNE. May 23 at Usher's Island, Dublin, in the 70th year of his age, S. WADE, Esq. May 31, of heart disease, Mr. Joseph McCORMACK, of Christchurch Place, Dublin, aged 32 years. At Waterloo Avenue, Island Bridge, Dublin, Mr. Arthur BREW, aged 62 years. May 28 at her residence, Harold's Cross, Dublin, Catherine, the beloved wife of B.J. LYNER. June 1 in Upper Leeson Street, Dublin, aged three years, Martha Nevins, the beloved child of Henry SHAW, Esq. June 4 at his residence, Capel Street, Dublin, in his 31st year, of rheumatic fever, Mr. Jeremiah J. FLEMING. At his residence, Upton House, the Rev. Somers PAYNE, Rector of Balimadee, aged 72 years. May 30 at Mill Street, Dublin, Mrs. Margret ANDREA.

Irish-American June 27, 1857 Marriages in Ireland At Peter's Church, Cublin, William CULLEN MACKLIN, Esq., to Maria Louisa, eldest daughter of Hugh O'NEILL, Esq., late of county Longford. June 2 in London, John PARR, Esq., son of John G. PARR, of Clones, county Monaghan, Esq., to Jane Amelia, eldest daughter of the late John CARMICHAEL, Esq., of Upper Temple Street, Dublin. May 28 at St. Mark's Church, Armagh, by the Ven. the Archdeacon of Emly, the Rev. W.B. ASKIN, to Lizzie, youngest daughter of Thomas CUMMING, Esq., M.D., Armagh. At Marylebone, Lieutenant Ralph GORE, Royal Horse Artillery, son of the late George A. GORE, Esq., of Barrowmount, Kilkenny, to Arabella, daughter of the late Edward GODFREY, Esq., of Old Hall, East Bergholt, Suffolk. May 28 in the Church of the Holy Trinity, Cork, Zachariah BURGH CORNOCK, Esq., second son of the Rev. Zachariah CORNOCK, of Cromwell's Fort, county Wexford, to Elizabeth Alicia, only daughter of Charles HUSON, of Spring Field, in the same county. June 4 at St. Peter's Church, Dublin, Thomas BAYLEY HALL, Esq., eldest son of Albert HALL, Esq., Ash BAnk, Stalevbridge, Cheshire, to Isabella C. JELLY, daughter of the late Rev. R.B. JELLY, Portarlington. May 25 in the Roman Catholic Church of St. Paul, Arran Quay, Dublin, by the Rev. Bernard McDONNELL, C.C., Mr. Mathew BROWN, of Grand Rapids, Michigan, U.S., to Fanny, second daughter of the late Mr. James TYRRELL, of Stokestown, county Meath. June 2 at Hacketstown Church, county Carlow, the Rev. Thomas H. HATCHELL, to Eliza, only daughter of the Rev. William SCOTT, Rector of Hacketstown. May 28 at Skull Church, William BENNETT BALDWIN, Esq., of Skibbereen, to Margaret Charlotte O'CALLAGHAN, daughter of James O'CALLAGHAN, Esq., of Rock Cottage. Mr. Arthur ALEXANDER, Maryville, county Galway, to Sarah, daughter of the late Mr. Arthur JOHNSON, Carrickbreda. At Carrickfergus Church, Frederick CAREW SMYTHE, Esq., to Anna MALCOLMSON, daughter of the late Thomas GREAVES, of Berna, county Tyrone.

Irish-American June 20, 1857 Information Wanted Westmeath - Of John HEATH, a native of the parish of Coolry, county Westmeath, Ireland, who left New York about ten years ago and is supposed to have gone to Pennyslvania, or on the York and Erie Railroad. Any information of him will be thankfully received by William HEATH, No. 31 Tallman Street, Brooklyn, State of New York. Southern papers please copy. Queen's County - Of Dan MOLONEY, a native of Mountrath, Queen's County, Ireland. When last heard from he lived in Toronto, Canada West, behind the soldier's barracks, Black Bull. Any information of him will be thankfully received by John DELANEY, 30 Bridge Street, Newark, New Jersey. Toronto papers please copy.

Irish-American June 20, 1857 News in New York City Joseph TAYLOR, Esq., Commissioner of Streets, died on the afternoon of the 9th inst., at his residence in this city, of consumption. A married woman named Eliza SHAW, residing in the 1st Avenue, near 22nd Street, was found on the morning of Sunday week, under the windows of her residence quite dead, and with her throat cut. An inquest was held by Coroner PERRY, and the jury brought in a verdict implicating her husband in her death; but the Coroner refused to receive it as it conflicted with the evidence. The jury then found that the deceased came to her death by her throat being cut by some persons unknown. A laborer named Patrick KEARNS, residing in York Street, fell from the roof of the new iron building, corner of Chambers and Church Streets, on the 9th inst., and was killed instantly. A fire took place early on the morning of the 9th inst., in 53rd Street, in a frame house occupied by Mr. James SHERWOOD (or SHEPHARD). The building was burned to the ground, and Mrs. SHERWOOD perished in the flames. The Brooklyn Common Council have appointed John BERRY, Esq., Counsellor to the Commissioner on Williamsburg claims, and Joseph J. MARRIN, clerk, fixing the salary of the former at $2,000 and the latter at $1,000 per year. A plasterer named KEYS, residing near the corner of Hoyt and Butler Streets, Brooklyn, has been arrested on suspicion of murdering his wife. The woman was found dead in the basement where they lived, her jaw broken, her body covered with blood and bruises, and presenting a horrifying spectacle. Wm. SHEHAN, a sailor, and native of Ireland, was stabbed on Tuesday night week in Cherry Street, by two negroes, and died in the City Hospital on Friday. The negroes have been committed to answer. Thomas DENINEY, charged with setting fire to his grocery store, in 2nd Avenue, last September, was tried in the Court of Sessions last week, found guilty of arson in the second degree, and sentenced to ten years imprisonment in the State Prison. He was ably defended by Richard BUSTEED, Esq. A resolution has been passed by the Brooklyn Board of Health directing the Health Wardens to visit all places where hogs are kept in the city; and where they have no permit, to drive them to the pound. In case of resistance, they are directed to arrest and commit the offending parties.

Ann was married to Walter E. McFall an lived in N.Y. city between 1923-4 to abt. 1927. He was a N. Y. State trooper in that area but no idea where. they lived .. He also played saxaphone in a band in a Hotel some where near Grand Central station an he also used to play at Palisades Park. Would any one have acess to the NY census or be able to find them . He died in July 1967 . Would her maiden name be listed any where. Thank you all Margaret reply to dklump@mfi.net I am new at this as you can tell.

Hi , This dividing among ED's can make the line right down a street so that the odd are in one ED and the even are in another. If the street is long as I had in my case, Bethune Street, then the street can be in more that two ED's. This would mean you have to view the "whole" film to catch the parts which will be through out the film, not one behind the other. Or on more than one film. If one has a specific address that still exist today, I plug it in the map programs available e.g. Maps on Yahoo, to see where the address is and the cross streets. Hope this helps. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: <GaelEire@aol.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Fwd: Census Tip > Hi All: > > The purpose of these lists are to help each other in our mutual quest to find > our roots. Here is a little something that I would like to share with you > which came to me from another list. This tip might prove helpful in the event > that we find ourselves in a similar situation while researching the upcoming > 1930 census. > The subscriber was puzzled that the Enumeration District micro film for > 150th St., showed only addresses ending in even numbers and not the odd > ending number he was looking for. Several responses indicated that the 150th > St. address he was looking for, may be the dividing line for two ED's. Even > numbers were in one ED and odd numbers were in the other ED. Suggestions > were to look at the other ED film. > > I hope that this will be helpful. Take care and good hunting > > Jim McCarthy > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Do you miss receiving MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS? If so, > just subscribe to: > http://www.petuniapress.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi All: The purpose of these lists are to help each other in our mutual quest to find our roots. Here is a little something that I would like to share with you which came to me from another list. This tip might prove helpful in the event that we find ourselves in a similar situation while researching the upcoming 1930 census.   The subscriber was puzzled that the Enumeration District micro film for 150th St., showed only addresses ending in even numbers and not the odd ending number he was looking for. Several responses indicated that the 150th St. address he was looking for, may be the dividing line for two ED's. Even numbers were in one ED and odd numbers were in the other ED.  Suggestions were to look at the other ED film. I hope that this will be helpful. Take care and good hunting Jim McCarthy