Just to add fuel to the fire, I was told by Calvary that the laws of nature assure them that each grave is fairly empty or reusable every twenty years if no grave liner is used. The woman who told me this also indicated that in 100 years the normal tow deep, one wide grave could handle 10 interments. I also posed this question to my cousin, who happens to be in the mortuary business in NYC and is very familiar with Calvary and she assures me it is true. Remember that grave liners were NOT common practice until fairly recently. Does that help? Good luck, Fran ----- Original Message ----- From: <MKVIRG@aol.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery Burial Records 1848 - 1851 > Dorothy and List, > I have dealt with Calvary numerous times, mostly receiving the info I > requested. But their are two cases that I have that leave more questions like > yours. 1) I have the death certificate of my ggaunts first husband, John > Fitsimmons, died March 6, 1860, which states he was buried in Calvary. > Calvary says that they cannot find him. His wife's second husband, their > son, her mother, sister and a small baby (still not sure of his connection) > are buried in Calvary in one plot. I cannot find where the wife (Rose > McNally Fitsimmons Healy) is buried. I believe she may be buried with her > first husband. Where? Only God and she knows! (Have checked death index- but > not sure of date of her death) > 2) I have a listing of a family plot where there are 9 people buried in it, > from 1881 to 1965. When I visited Calvary, and searched for the plot, I only > found a one-width plot, no headstone. Wasn't sure if I found the right one, > a nice worker at the cemetery helped, and yes, it was the right plot. My > question to the people at the office was - 'how could 9 people be buried in a > one-width plot?" There answer, buried on top of each other! Now, I don't > believe that for one minute. The plot on the left was an old plot, the plot > on the right was a newer one, more recent deaths. I have checked that plot > (got the interment record) and they are not related to anyone that we know > of. > My father's cousins' theory (a resident of Queens) is that Cemetery's are > allowed to resell the plots if there has been no burials in the past 100 > years. Now, obviously the second plot had a burial in 1965, but the previous > date of a burial was 1941. > Bottom line, I believe both plots were resold, and the records from the > previous plots destroyed. Can't prove any of it. Just my theory. > Marge Duffy Virgulak > > De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story > Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living. > Jesus, A Never Ending Friend > "Friends are God's way of taking care of us" > Beannachtai agus Siochain > > AN IRISH BLESSING > > May God grant you always > A sunbeam to warm you > A moonbeam to charm you > A sheltering angel > So nothing can harm you > Laughter to cheer you > Faithful friends near you > And whenever you pray > Heaven to hear you > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > List Administrators: > Tracy Cassidy GaelEire@aol.com > Jim McCarthy SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

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Please publish the list where the NY Emigrant Savings Bank Records can be found. Thanks! Barbara

Calvary will tell you they cannot re sell plots. Whether they do or not, I guess we will never know for sure. I do know there are a great number of people buried in some plots that were purchases in the 1800's. In one of my families there have been 14 burials in one plot. This talk of Calvary reminds me I must write to them and give them my current address so they can't say they could not get in touch with an owner. Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/

Dorothy and List, I have dealt with Calvary numerous times, mostly receiving the info I requested. But their are two cases that I have that leave more questions like yours. 1) I have the death certificate of my ggaunts first husband, John Fitsimmons, died March 6, 1860, which states he was buried in Calvary. Calvary says that they cannot find him. His wife's second husband, their son, her mother, sister and a small baby (still not sure of his connection) are buried in Calvary in one plot. I cannot find where the wife (Rose McNally Fitsimmons Healy) is buried. I believe she may be buried with her first husband. Where? Only God and she knows! (Have checked death index- but not sure of date of her death) 2) I have a listing of a family plot where there are 9 people buried in it, from 1881 to 1965. When I visited Calvary, and searched for the plot, I only found a one-width plot, no headstone. Wasn't sure if I found the right one, a nice worker at the cemetery helped, and yes, it was the right plot. My question to the people at the office was - 'how could 9 people be buried in a one-width plot?" There answer, buried on top of each other! Now, I don't believe that for one minute. The plot on the left was an old plot, the plot on the right was a newer one, more recent deaths. I have checked that plot (got the interment record) and they are not related to anyone that we know of. My father's cousins' theory (a resident of Queens) is that Cemetery's are allowed to resell the plots if there has been no burials in the past 100 years. Now, obviously the second plot had a burial in 1965, but the previous date of a burial was 1941. Bottom line, I believe both plots were resold, and the records from the previous plots destroyed. Can't prove any of it. Just my theory. Marge Duffy Virgulak De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living. Jesus, A Never Ending Friend "Friends are God's way of taking care of us" Beannachtai agus Siochain AN IRISH BLESSING May God grant you always A sunbeam to warm you A moonbeam to charm you A sheltering angel So nothing can harm you Laughter to cheer you Faithful friends near you And whenever you pray Heaven to hear you

Could someone please send me OFF list the phone number in Ireland of DUNHALLOW PARK LODGE in Kanturk, Cork somehow I have lost/misplaced it from family visit clean up. Search engines aren't helping at all. Please-"off list" and privatly only, so it doesn't annoy anyone else. I need to phone them asap! Thanks in advance Pat in Florida, USA

Would anyone out there be interested in sharing the costs of index rolls #1 and #2 ..... and we could share them for, say, a month at a time? Let me know off-list at maureen1024@yahoo.com. It would only be $10 each if 12 people are interested ... up to $60 each if there is only one other besides myself ... plus the cost of padded envelope and postage to send it on to the next person .... and perhaps when we are finished there would be another buyer interested in them and we could share the proceeds. How about it Don, Mario, Nancy? Anyone else interested? Let me hear from you! Maureen --- Nancy <NANCYML@WORLDNET.ATT.NET> wrote: > Hi all, > I have been gathering info about purchasing some ESB > records on film from NYPL. > Thanks to Don and Mario I was able to speak to the > library yesterday. I would like > to pass on what I was told. > 1) Yes they do make and sell the film. > 2) You print out the form from their web site and mail it > in to them. > http://www.nypl.org/admin/pro/copies/ordmicro.html > 3) The cost is $60 plus shipping per roll > > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Call the Cemetery and ask them to look up the number of people in the plot. They will tell you the amount. Then mail them a check with the plot address. Mario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran MIller" <ancabhan@taconic.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > How exactly did you request this interment list from Calvary? Can you > request by phone or does it have to be by snail mail and what does this cost > please? > Thanks in advance... > Wayne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BBurnett" <bburnett@optonline.net> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:38 PM > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > > > > Don and Dorothy, > > > > I recently received an interment list from Calvary Cemetery. It took > > about six weeks. Four family plots were purchased on January 9, 1860 by > > James McLoughlin, who I believe to be my 3rd great grandfather. There are > 22 > > people buried in those plots, including my great grandfather, who is also > > James McLaughlin. Many of the names I've never heard of. I don't know the > > maiden name of my 3rd great grandmother but there are a lot of Timmerman's > > buried in these plots. It's very interesting. The list includes the name > of > > the deceased, date of burial, age at death, which grave the person is > buried > > in and birth place; nothing exact, all of these birth places are either > NY, > > Ireland and two US. > > Using this information I sent to the NY Dept. of Records and > Information > > Services (DORIS) for a death certificate for the woman I believe to be my > > 3rd great grandmother, and just this morning received not a death > > certificate like I'm used to seeing, but a copy of a list giving the date > of > > decease, name, age at death, street address, place of nativity, disease, > > cemetery, occupation, and attending physician. I was hoping for a maiden > > name but with a street address perhaps I'll be able to find them in the > > census and go from there. Every little bit helps. > > Prepare yourself. Calvary also sent me a bill for $2,625.00 for > > outstanding annual care charges due. They suggested I put the > graveholdings > > under Perpetual Care for $2,750.00. If I do this now I can save the > $144.00 > > annual care charge for 2002 and it will only cost me a total of $5,231.00. > I > > hope they don't evict my ancestors when I don't respond. I don't believe > > they really expect me to pay it but I guess it's worth a try. Actually, > they > > were some of the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with. > > Good luck in your research, > > > > Barb in CT > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Mark your calendar for the 11th annual Genealogy and Technology (GENTECH) conference - Digital Technology...The Ancestral Frontier - in Phoenix, Arizona on January 17-18, 2003. For the latest information, please visit the website regularly: http://www.gentech.org > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I am sure you gave Calvary the date of death so can only speculate that he was buried elsewhere. Cemetery records that I have seen do not give the place of death or other types of information other than name, date of death and burial and who is the owner of the plot. Does anyone know of any other information? Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/

I have sent a letter to Calvary because my great-grandfather's death certificate from the city of new york that came to me as a part of his civil war pension file stated that he was buried there in 1889. I have received a reply stating that he is not there. What am I doing wrong?. None of the research that I have done so far, including the pension records, tells me exactly where he was born. Would cemetary records be more enlightening? TIA, dorothy Don McGovern wrote: > About 3 weeks ago I sent a letter to Calvary Cemetery > requesting burial records for a Irish ancestor buried > at the cemetery on Dec 27, 1851. I am still waiting > for their reply. (By the way, Calvary will not look up > burial records pre 1860 by phone call request. They > say they must be sent a written request for pre 1860 > burials. They say that the pre 1860 records are in the > basement and that it takes longer to research.) > > One person on this email list has mentioned that > Calvary burial records from 1848 to 1851 are missing. > I just wanted to check and see if anyone else > requesting burial records for that time period also > came up empty. Is there a book on Old Calvary that > lists some of the burials from this period? > > Don McGovern > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Some cemeteries in the Chicago area give the mailing address of the plot owner. --- "Elizabeth V. Cardinal" <EVC1369@comcast.net> wrote: > I am sure you gave Calvary the date of death so can only > speculate that he > was buried elsewhere. > > Cemetery records that I have seen do not give the place > of death or other > types of information other than name, date of death and > burial and who is > the owner of the plot. > > Does anyone know of any other information? > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > EVC1369@comcast.net > evcardinal@yahoo.com > www.geocities.com/evcardinal/ > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without > the quotes) to either: > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com (List Version) > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest > Version) > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Oh...that death certificate must have been from the 1860's.... In any case, with those dates you can also check another place: the Hall of Records at 31 Chambers.... Will you get a lot of information there? Maybe, maybe not. Give me Timmerman's first name. It just so happens I am going there tomorrow. I'm curious to see if she is listed in the Libers.... Mario PS Oh, parents' names didn't show up until 1883-84. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BBurnett" <bburnett@optonline.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > Don and Dorothy, > > I recently received an interment list from Calvary Cemetery. It took > about six weeks. Four family plots were purchased on January 9, 1860 by > James McLoughlin, who I believe to be my 3rd great grandfather. There are 22 > people buried in those plots, including my great grandfather, who is also > James McLaughlin. Many of the names I've never heard of. I don't know the > maiden name of my 3rd great grandmother but there are a lot of Timmerman's > buried in these plots. It's very interesting. The list includes the name of > the deceased, date of burial, age at death, which grave the person is buried > in and birth place; nothing exact, all of these birth places are either NY, > Ireland and two US. > Using this information I sent to the NY Dept. of Records and Information > Services (DORIS) for a death certificate for the woman I believe to be my > 3rd great grandmother, and just this morning received not a death > certificate like I'm used to seeing, but a copy of a list giving the date of > decease, name, age at death, street address, place of nativity, disease, > cemetery, occupation, and attending physician. I was hoping for a maiden > name but with a street address perhaps I'll be able to find them in the > census and go from there. Every little bit helps. > Prepare yourself. Calvary also sent me a bill for $2,625.00 for > outstanding annual care charges due. They suggested I put the graveholdings > under Perpetual Care for $2,750.00. If I do this now I can save the $144.00 > annual care charge for 2002 and it will only cost me a total of $5,231.00. I > hope they don't evict my ancestors when I don't respond. I don't believe > they really expect me to pay it but I guess it's worth a try. Actually, they > were some of the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with. > Good luck in your research, > > Barb in CT > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

The price?!? I think it is an exorbitant price, whatever it is. I remember way back when I was asked if I wanted to know how many people were buried. The staff member not only told me how many, but he gave me the dates of the interred.... I was able to find some of those buried there ( same last name)...but eventually, I purchased the list. Because some staff member had to go hunting "in another book" and have it typewritten, there was a charge. Over 30 bucks...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fran MIller" <ancabhan@taconic.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > How exactly did you request this interment list from Calvary? Can you > request by phone or does it have to be by snail mail and what does this cost > please? > Thanks in advance... > Wayne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BBurnett" <bburnett@optonline.net> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:38 PM > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > > > > Don and Dorothy, > > > > I recently received an interment list from Calvary Cemetery. It took > > about six weeks. Four family plots were purchased on January 9, 1860 by > > James McLoughlin, who I believe to be my 3rd great grandfather. There are > 22 > > people buried in those plots, including my great grandfather, who is also > > James McLaughlin. Many of the names I've never heard of. I don't know the > > maiden name of my 3rd great grandmother but there are a lot of Timmerman's > > buried in these plots. It's very interesting. The list includes the name > of > > the deceased, date of burial, age at death, which grave the person is > buried > > in and birth place; nothing exact, all of these birth places are either > NY, > > Ireland and two US. > > Using this information I sent to the NY Dept. of Records and > Information > > Services (DORIS) for a death certificate for the woman I believe to be my > > 3rd great grandmother, and just this morning received not a death > > certificate like I'm used to seeing, but a copy of a list giving the date > of > > decease, name, age at death, street address, place of nativity, disease, > > cemetery, occupation, and attending physician. I was hoping for a maiden > > name but with a street address perhaps I'll be able to find them in the > > census and go from there. Every little bit helps. > > Prepare yourself. Calvary also sent me a bill for $2,625.00 for > > outstanding annual care charges due. They suggested I put the > graveholdings > > under Perpetual Care for $2,750.00. If I do this now I can save the > $144.00 > > annual care charge for 2002 and it will only cost me a total of $5,231.00. > I > > hope they don't evict my ancestors when I don't respond. I don't believe > > they really expect me to pay it but I guess it's worth a try. Actually, > they > > were some of the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with. > > Good luck in your research, > > > > Barb in CT > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Mark your calendar for the 11th annual Genealogy and Technology (GENTECH) conference - Digital Technology...The Ancestral Frontier - in Phoenix, Arizona on January 17-18, 2003. For the latest information, please visit the website regularly: http://www.gentech.org > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have already checked the ESB records. If you are lucky to have had someone with an account there you will get a lot of info..... But why not checks the book that has already been published... I forgot how many accounts were listed... Mario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen" <maureen1024@yahoo.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank - Index Rolls > Would anyone out there be interested in sharing the costs > of index rolls #1 and #2 ..... and we could share them for, > say, a month at a time? Let me know off-list at > maureen1024@yahoo.com. > > It would only be $10 each if 12 people are interested ... > up to $60 each if there is only one other besides myself > ... plus the cost of padded envelope and postage to send it > on to the next person .... and perhaps when we are finished > there would be another buyer interested in them and we > could share the proceeds. How about it Don, Mario, Nancy? > Anyone else interested? > > Let me hear from you! > Maureen > > --- Nancy <NANCYML@WORLDNET.ATT.NET> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I have been gathering info about purchasing some ESB > > records on film from NYPL. > > Thanks to Don and Mario I was able to speak to the > > library yesterday. I would like > > to pass on what I was told. > > 1) Yes they do make and sell the film. > > 2) You print out the form from their web site and mail it > > in to them. > > http://www.nypl.org/admin/pro/copies/ordmicro.html > > 3) The cost is $60 plus shipping per roll > > > > > genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ===== > Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, you will be unsubscribed. If you are flamed, please contact the list admin privately. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi all, I have been gathering info about purchasing some ESB records on film from NYPL. Thanks to Don and Mario I was able to speak to the library yesterday. I would like to pass on what I was told. 1) Yes they do make and sell the film. 2) You print out the form from their web site and mail it in to them. http://www.nypl.org/admin/pro/copies/ordmicro.html 3) The cost is $60 plus shipping per roll Regards, NancyHi all, I have been gathering info about purchasing some ESB records on film from NYPL. Thanks to Don and Mario I was able to speak to the library yesterday. I would like to pass on what I was told. 1) Yes they do make and sell the film. 2) You print out the form from their web site and mail it in to them. http://www.nypl.org/admin/pro/copies/ordmicro.html 3) The cost is $60 plus shipping per roll Regards, Nancy Don McGovern wrote: > Hi Maureen, > > I am including a link below to the NYPL site that > talks about the ESB records, what reels are the index, > and what reels are the test deposit books, etc. > > http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/spe/rbk/faids/emigrant.html > > You can also purchase the microfilm for approx $25 per > roll through the NYPL as well. Here is the number to > call to request a form to fill out to purchase: > > 212-930-0828 > > Don McGovern > Oklahoma > > --- Maureen <maureen1024@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Thanks so much, Nancy! At least I remembered the > > right > > person to ask! Yes, GenExchange, of course! I was > > wracking my brain, sure there was another source of > > free > > databases I had used awhile back, but could not > > think of > > it. I did not know it was such a "drop in the > > bucket" > > compared to the total of Emigrant Savings Bank > > records, > > however. I will try to get to the films if I can > > ever get > > to NYC again. Meanwhile, if one were going to > > purchase > > film rolls instead of plane fare, Nancy or Don or > > anyone, > > can you repeat, please, 1) which are the film rolls > > that > > serve as an "index" to the others and 2) where and > > how does > > one order them? > > > > Thanks to all for the great help on this list! > > Maureen > > > > --- NLColeman <NLColeman@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > > Dear Maureen: > > > The Emigrant Savings Bank database is a part of > > the > > > GenExchange which is > > > currently down for repairs (some reprogramming, > > servers > > > moved, providers > > > changed, etc.). We are in the final stages of > > testing > > > and reconfiguring > > > everything and hope to have it back online soon. > > The > > > GenExchange is > > > independently operated and owned and has no > > affiliation > > > whatsoever with > > > Ancestry.com or RootsWeb. It is a completely free > > > database website. I will > > > make an announcement as soon as we are back. > > > > > > Keep in mind that even this database is but a > > fraction of > > > what is included > > > in the entire record group of the ESB records. To > > date I > > > believe there are > > > somewhere in the neighborhood of 4500 records. > > That is a > > > drop in the bucket > > > and if you find someone there, you've lucked out. > > It's a > > > work in progress. > > > So, if you DON'T find your ancestor listed it does > > not > > > mean they did not > > > have an account. You should check the original > > > microfilms. > > > > > > Best regards. Nancy. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Maureen" <maureen1024@yahoo.com> > > > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:57 AM > > > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don, I don't know what happened to that > > wonderful > > > database > > > > > > I can't think where else it could have been > > besides > > > > Ancestry ..... but it surely doesn't seem to be > > there > > > > now. It even contained the private little > > personal > > > notes > > > > from the "remarks" that the bank employees added > > on > > > > accounts, such things as "has mother in Galway > > town" > > > and such. > > > > > > > > There is a book containing an index of > > depositors from > > > > 1950-1953, that one can order from the compiler. > > That > > > > shows up on a Google search. > > > > > > > > Maureen > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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That's not entirely true. And certainly not true that it is limited to Manhattan. Although the bulk of the immigrants were from the NYC area (the whole current-day area including CT and NJ), there are entries for people as far away as Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, etc. It is also untrue that it was soley Irish. Yes, predominantly, but not exclusively. As many women (if not more it sometimes seems!) as men as well. Remember that one of the primary functions of the bank was money transfers back to Ireland. It was one of the few banks that did this regularly and successfully and was trusted by the Irish because it was founded and run by Irish. The indexes are: Reels 1-3 (although #3 is not all that useful because most of the corresponding account records are lost) Reels 1 & 2 cover 1850-1877. The Test books are: Reels 4-10, covering years 1850-1868 The Transfer, Signature and Test Books are: Reels 11-14, covering years 1850-1883 with vols. 4&5 (13 Sep 1877-5 Jul 1881) completely missing. The Deposit Account Ledgers are: Reels 15-20, covering accounts #s 1-18,000 ONLY (1850-abt 1857) Hope this clears some things up. Best regards. Nancy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth V. Cardinal" <EVC1369@comcast.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank > I have been told by someone who has access to the records that very few if > any people living outside of Manhattan are on these registers. > > Just thought I would mention it. > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > EVC1369@comcast.net > evcardinal@yahoo.com > www.geocities.com/evcardinal/ > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

About 3 weeks ago I sent a letter to Calvary Cemetery requesting burial records for a Irish ancestor buried at the cemetery on Dec 27, 1851. I am still waiting for their reply. (By the way, Calvary will not look up burial records pre 1860 by phone call request. They say they must be sent a written request for pre 1860 burials. They say that the pre 1860 records are in the basement and that it takes longer to research.) One person on this email list has mentioned that Calvary burial records from 1848 to 1851 are missing. I just wanted to check and see if anyone else requesting burial records for that time period also came up empty. Is there a book on Old Calvary that lists some of the burials from this period? Don McGovern __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Hi Maureen, I am including a link below to the NYPL site that talks about the ESB records, what reels are the index, and what reels are the test deposit books, etc. http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/spe/rbk/faids/emigrant.html You can also purchase the microfilm for approx $25 per roll through the NYPL as well. Here is the number to call to request a form to fill out to purchase: 212-930-0828 Don McGovern Oklahoma --- Maureen <maureen1024@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks so much, Nancy! At least I remembered the > right > person to ask! Yes, GenExchange, of course! I was > wracking my brain, sure there was another source of > free > databases I had used awhile back, but could not > think of > it. I did not know it was such a "drop in the > bucket" > compared to the total of Emigrant Savings Bank > records, > however. I will try to get to the films if I can > ever get > to NYC again. Meanwhile, if one were going to > purchase > film rolls instead of plane fare, Nancy or Don or > anyone, > can you repeat, please, 1) which are the film rolls > that > serve as an "index" to the others and 2) where and > how does > one order them? > > Thanks to all for the great help on this list! > Maureen > > --- NLColeman <NLColeman@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > > Dear Maureen: > > The Emigrant Savings Bank database is a part of > the > > GenExchange which is > > currently down for repairs (some reprogramming, > servers > > moved, providers > > changed, etc.). We are in the final stages of > testing > > and reconfiguring > > everything and hope to have it back online soon. > The > > GenExchange is > > independently operated and owned and has no > affiliation > > whatsoever with > > Ancestry.com or RootsWeb. It is a completely free > > database website. I will > > make an announcement as soon as we are back. > > > > Keep in mind that even this database is but a > fraction of > > what is included > > in the entire record group of the ESB records. To > date I > > believe there are > > somewhere in the neighborhood of 4500 records. > That is a > > drop in the bucket > > and if you find someone there, you've lucked out. > It's a > > work in progress. > > So, if you DON'T find your ancestor listed it does > not > > mean they did not > > have an account. You should check the original > > microfilms. > > > > Best regards. Nancy. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Maureen" <maureen1024@yahoo.com> > > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:57 AM > > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank > > > > > > > > > > Don, I don't know what happened to that > wonderful > > database > > > > > I can't think where else it could have been > besides > > > Ancestry ..... but it surely doesn't seem to be > there > > > now. It even contained the private little > personal > > notes > > > from the "remarks" that the bank employees added > on > > > accounts, such things as "has mother in Galway > town" > > and such. > > > > > > There is a book containing an index of > depositors from > > > 1950-1953, that one can order from the compiler. > That > > > shows up on a Google search. > > > > > > Maureen > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your > patience! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

It should be added that the Deposit Accounts Ledgers have no value to genealogists. Mario > The indexes are: > Reels 1-3 (although #3 is not all that useful because most of the > corresponding account records are lost) Reels 1 & 2 cover 1850-1877. > The Test books are: > Reels 4-10, covering years 1850-1868 > The Transfer, Signature and Test Books are: > Reels 11-14, covering years 1850-1883 with vols. 4&5 (13 Sep 1877-5 Jul > 1881) completely missing. > The Deposit Account Ledgers are: > Reels 15-20, covering accounts #s 1-18,000 ONLY (1850-abt 1857) > > Hope this clears some things up. > > Best regards. Nancy. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth V. Cardinal" <EVC1369@comcast.net> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:28 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank > > > > I have been told by someone who has access to the records that very few if > > any people living outside of Manhattan are on these registers. > > > > Just thought I would mention it. > > > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > > EVC1369@comcast.net > > evcardinal@yahoo.com > > www.geocities.com/evcardinal/ > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Mark your calendar for the 11th annual Genealogy and Technology (GENTECH) conference - Digital Technology...The Ancestral Frontier - in Phoenix, Arizona on January 17-18, 2003. For the latest information, please visit the website regularly: http://www.gentech.org > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I have been told by someone who has access to the records that very few if any people living outside of Manhattan are on these registers. Just thought I would mention it. Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/