Those days are long gone. :) When they used to do that they maybe received a few requests a month. Now they most likely receive hundreds in a month (given the number of times this question is raised on this list alone, that's probably a low estimate). With over three million burials, and the overwhelming increase in the popularity of genealogy, Calvary is quite busy handling genealogical requests now (not to mention handling current day funerals). The charges are there to offset the cost of the manpower, paper, postage, etc., to do the searches. They are a business. They have to pay their employees. The current price (and it's been this for quite some time with no increase) is $20 for the first name (in the plot) and $2 for every person after that. Quite reasonable by ANY standard. Considering the information you can get, it's a bargain. Obtaining real genealogical documents and conducting real (not online) genealogy at archives is not usually completely free. Everything cost something, even if it's just the copy machine. :) I think, as genealogists, we all have to keep in mind that what may be a hobby for some may be a business to the people who have the records. Take the Municipal Archives for instance. They are a city agency. But, they have to support themselves and run the department like a business OR they would be quickly shut down (if they had to rely soley on the city budget/tax revenues). So, they charge $5 for usage of a reader (which goes to pay for the bulbs and maintenance of the machine and the purchase of new equipment, probably also a share goes towards the cost of the microfilm itself) and $5 for each certified certificate or $10 for an index search and certificate (which goes to pay the cost of the labor/employee involved, the paper, the machine they use, the microfilm, the printing costs for the envelope, the postage, etc.). They have a charge for everything that COSTS THEM. They try to be self supporting. And, it's a good thing they do or we wouldn't have them (to kick :)) around. The city budget (deficit) wouldn't allow it. Genealogy Economics 101 :) Best regards. Nancy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mtogl" <mtogl@email.msn.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > The price?!? I think it is an exorbitant price, whatever it is. I remember > way back when I was asked if I wanted to know how many people were buried. > The staff member not only told me how many, but he gave me the dates of the > interred.... I was able to find some of those buried there ( same last > name)...but eventually, I purchased the list. Because some staff member had > to go hunting "in another book" and have it typewritten, there was a > charge. Over 30 bucks...... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fran MIller" <ancabhan@taconic.net> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > > > > How exactly did you request this interment list from Calvary? Can you > > request by phone or does it have to be by snail mail and what does this > cost > > please? > > Thanks in advance... > > Wayne > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "BBurnett" <bburnett@optonline.net> > > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:38 PM > > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > > > > > > > Don and Dorothy, > > > > > > I recently received an interment list from Calvary Cemetery. It took > > > about six weeks. Four family plots were purchased on January 9, 1860 by > > > James McLoughlin, who I believe to be my 3rd great grandfather. There > are > > 22 > > > people buried in those plots, including my great grandfather, who is > also > > > James McLaughlin. Many of the names I've never heard of. I don't know > the > > > maiden name of my 3rd great grandmother but there are a lot of > Timmerman's > > > buried in these plots. It's very interesting. The list includes the name > > of > > > the deceased, date of burial, age at death, which grave the person is > > buried > > > in and birth place; nothing exact, all of these birth places are either > > NY, > > > Ireland and two US. > > > Using this information I sent to the NY Dept. of Records and > > Information > > > Services (DORIS) for a death certificate for the woman I believe to be > my > > > 3rd great grandmother, and just this morning received not a death > > > certificate like I'm used to seeing, but a copy of a list giving the > date > > of > > > decease, name, age at death, street address, place of nativity, disease, > > > cemetery, occupation, and attending physician. I was hoping for a maiden > > > name but with a street address perhaps I'll be able to find them in the > > > census and go from there. Every little bit helps. > > > Prepare yourself. Calvary also sent me a bill for $2,625.00 for > > > outstanding annual care charges due. They suggested I put the > > graveholdings > > > under Perpetual Care for $2,750.00. If I do this now I can save the > > $144.00 > > > annual care charge for 2002 and it will only cost me a total of > $5,231.00. > > I > > > hope they don't evict my ancestors when I don't respond. I don't believe > > > they really expect me to pay it but I guess it's worth a try. 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I see classified ads in newspapers for cemetery plots all the time. --- "Elizabeth V. Cardinal" <EVC1369@comcast.net> wrote: > It is my understanding that Calvary is well endowed and > investments have > paid off. How true this is, I do not know. > > I do know they took down all those lovely wrought iron > fences and then sold > plots in what were once walkways. My in laws are buried > there. > > Calvary told me once they do not resell plots. Does > anyone know if this is > still true? > > I inherited numerous plots in Pinelawn that my great > grandmother purchases > in 1905. There has never been a burial in any of them > and Pinelawn is not > interested in buying them back either. > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > EVC1369@comcast.net > evcardinal@yahoo.com > www.geocities.com/evcardinal/ > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, you > will be unsubscribed. If you are flamed, please contact > the list admin privately. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Me again! I have a John SHANNON b. Dec 1863 in New York married to Nora Lynch, daughter of Martin and Bridget "Delia" Lynch and living at 547 West 26th Street in Manhattan with children Della (1889), Martin (1891), John (1893) and Grace (1897) in the 1900 Federal Census. The Shannons were my dad's favorite cousins. They lived in the same building from the time my dad was born (1904) until 1909 when Dad's mother died and Grandpa took the family to live near his relatives in Weehawken, NJ. My aunt and uncle had good friends named Rhea and Vincent McCUE who lived in Brooklyn and later (maybe 1950s) moved to Long Island, I believe. My cousins would have photos of them from their wedding albums, I'm sure. Maureen --- Pam Jeter <pjeter@psyber.com> wrote: > Anyone have any luck in getting information from St. > Vincent de Paul in Brooklyn? > I have been trying for years to get them to look up > information but to no avail. > > They are so very pleasant but no one there seems to have > the time no matter how much money I send...I am sick > about it as I know that my family lived in that area for > many decades. Any suggestions? I live in Sacramento... > > Pam > Researching: KING, McCUE, BRIDGEWOOD, SMITH, SHANNON, > MURPHY, > O'CONNELL, McDANIEL > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run > frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Is it possible just to make a tax deductible contribution of, say, $100 a year to the "Archdiocese of NY, Calvary Cemetery" if one cannot pay the $5,000 due? That would help them out somewhat, I think. Has anyone done anything like that? Maureen --- "Elizabeth V. Cardinal" <EVC1369@comcast.net> wrote: > You do send snail mail to Calvary including all the > pertinent date. > > Do not bother if you do not have either a date of death, > a date of burial > or the plot number. There records are not alphabetized. > > Calvary will send then send you a letter telling you they > have found the > records and quote you an exact price for the transcript. > > You like most of us, will also get a bill for perpetual > care. It is rare (I > think) when anyone pays it these days for the fees are > high. > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > EVC1369@comcast.net > evcardinal@yahoo.com > www.geocities.com/evcardinal/ > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Mario, Thank you for offering to see if my Timmerman appears at the Hall of Records at 31 Chambers Street. Of the seven Timmermans who appear on the interment list from Calvary Cemetery the one I'm most interested in at this time is Catherine Timmerman, who was buried July 16, 1915. Her age at death was 75 years and she was born in Ireland. I've received several records from Chambers Street for other ancestors. I've really got to take a ride there some day and see the place for myself. And for Wayne and others who could use the information, It cost $62.00 for my interment list from Calvary; $20.00 for the first name and $2.00 per person after that. It took about six weeks (they had said it would take two to three) There were 22 people buried in the four plots and because I had no idea who they were I wasn't able to pick and choose. I had gotten the address and phone number of the cemetery from this list. It's 49-02 Laurel Hill Blvd., Woodside, NY 11377, 718-786-8000. I already had the date of death and burial from the death certificate I got from Chambers Street for my great grandfather, James McLaughlin. I believe the cemetery plots were bought by his grandfather, who was also James McLaughlin. I called the cemetery, and with the information from the death certificate, a very helpful lady looked up the cemetery info. She gave me the section, range and plot numbers, the date the plots were bought (Jan. 9, 1860), told me how many people were buried in those plots, and exactly how to request the interment list and what the cost would be. I then snail-mailed the request with the check. It was well worth the wait. For those who haven't seen the website for the Dept. of Records and Information Services (DORIS) at Chambers Street here is the link http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/doris/home.html This is one of the best sites I've seen. I have gotten so much help from this list I hope this information will repay some and help others benefit as I have. Happy hunting! Barb in CT

Makes sense. We just don't like to think about it! --- Fran MIller <ancabhan@taconic.net> wrote: > Just to add fuel to the fire, I was told by Calvary that > the laws of nature > assure them that each grave is fairly empty or reusable > every twenty years > if no grave liner is used. The woman who told me this > also indicated that in > 100 years the normal tow deep, one wide grave could > handle 10 interments. I > also posed this question to my cousin, who happens to be > in the > mortuary business in NYC and is very familiar with > Calvary and she assures > me it is true. Remember that grave liners were NOT common > practice until > fairly recently. Does that help? > > Good luck, > > Fran > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MKVIRG@aol.com> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery Burial Records > 1848 - 1851 > > > > Dorothy and List, > > I have dealt with Calvary numerous times, mostly > receiving the info I > > requested. But their are two cases that I have that > leave more questions > like > > yours. 1) I have the death certificate of my ggaunts > first husband, John > > Fitsimmons, died March 6, 1860, which states he was > buried in Calvary. > > Calvary says that they cannot find him. His wife's > second husband, their > > son, her mother, sister and a small baby (still not > sure of his > connection) > > are buried in Calvary in one plot. I cannot find where > the wife (Rose > > McNally Fitsimmons Healy) is buried. I believe she may > be buried with her > > first husband. Where? Only God and she knows! (Have > checked death index- > but > > not sure of date of her death) > > 2) I have a listing of a family plot where there are 9 > people buried in > it, > > from 1881 to 1965. When I visited Calvary, and > searched for the plot, I > only > > found a one-width plot, no headstone. Wasn't sure if I > found the right > one, > > a nice worker at the cemetery helped, and yes, it was > the right plot. My > > question to the people at the office was - 'how could 9 > people be buried > in a > > one-width plot?" There answer, buried on top of each > other! Now, I don't > > believe that for one minute. The plot on the left was > an old plot, the > plot > > on the right was a newer one, more recent deaths. I > have checked that plot > > (got the interment record) and they are not related to > anyone that we know > > of. > > My father's cousins' theory (a resident of Queens) is > that Cemetery's are > > allowed to resell the plots if there has been no > burials in the past 100 > > years. Now, obviously the second plot had a burial in > 1965, but the > previous > > date of a burial was 1941. > > Bottom line, I believe both plots were resold, and the > records from the > > previous plots destroyed. Can't prove any of it. Just > my theory. > > Marge Duffy Virgulak > > > > De nobis fabula narratur, their story is our story > > Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the > living. > > Jesus, A Never Ending Friend > > "Friends are God's way of taking care of us" > > Beannachtai agus Siochain > > > > AN IRISH BLESSING > > > > May God grant you always > > A sunbeam to warm you > > A moonbeam to charm you > > A sheltering angel > > So nothing can harm you > > Laughter to cheer you > > Faithful friends near you > > And whenever you pray > > Heaven to hear you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > List Administrators: > > Tracy Cassidy GaelEire@aol.com > > Jim McCarthy SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run > frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

If the family did not purchase "perpetual care" how does the Archdiocese keep up the cemetery with no money coming in from families with whom they have lost contact? We all want the grass cut and the place cleaned up before we get there, but I guess we never think about who is footing the bill for all of that, year after year. I am halfway across the country and hadn't thought of that. I didn't need to write to Calvary because my father did after our last burial there in 1963, and I have the letter he received. But it is something for all of us to think about, and perhaps it is what may cause cemeteries to "resell" "abandoned" plots after a certain number of years, as they do in Europe. There, you either pay the bills or they consider it abandoned and resell after about 30 years. In Germany in the early 1990s we could find no grave older than 1966 in our ancestral village cemetery, except for priests in the churchyard itself (the village cemetery was not near the church). --- BBurnett <bburnett@optonline.net> wrote: > Don and Dorothy, > > I recently received an interment list from Calvary > Cemetery. It took > about six weeks. Four family plots were purchased on > January 9, 1860 by > James McLoughlin, who I believe to be my 3rd great > grandfather. There are 22 > people buried in those plots, including my great > grandfather, who is also > James McLaughlin. Many of the names I've never heard of. > I don't know the > maiden name of my 3rd great grandmother but there are a > lot of Timmerman's > buried in these plots. It's very interesting. The list > includes the name of > the deceased, date of burial, age at death, which grave > the person is buried > in and birth place; nothing exact, all of these birth > places are either NY, > Ireland and two US. > Using this information I sent to the NY Dept. of > Records and Information > Services (DORIS) for a death certificate for the woman I > believe to be my > 3rd great grandmother, and just this morning received not > a death > certificate like I'm used to seeing, but a copy of a list > giving the date of > decease, name, age at death, street address, place of > nativity, disease, > cemetery, occupation, and attending physician. I was > hoping for a maiden > name but with a street address perhaps I'll be able to > find them in the > census and go from there. Every little bit helps. > Prepare yourself. Calvary also sent me a bill for > $2,625.00 for > outstanding annual care charges due. They suggested I put > the graveholdings > under Perpetual Care for $2,750.00. If I do this now I > can save the $144.00 > annual care charge for 2002 and it will only cost me a > total of $5,231.00. I > hope they don't evict my ancestors when I don't respond. > I don't believe > they really expect me to pay it but I guess it's worth a > try. Actually, they > were some of the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure > of dealing with. > Good luck in your research, > > Barb in CT > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run > frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

As I understand it, the book is only the first 5,000 accounts and costs $28 plusa few dollars for shipping. Maureen --- mtogl <mtogl@email.msn.com> wrote: > I have already checked the ESB records. If you are lucky > to have had someone > with an account there you will get a lot of info..... But > why not checks the > book that has already been published... I forgot how many > accounts were > listed... > > Mario > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen" <maureen1024@yahoo.com> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:31 PM > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank - Index Rolls > > > > Would anyone out there be interested in sharing the > costs > > of index rolls #1 and #2 ..... and we could share them > for, > > say, a month at a time? Let me know off-list at > > maureen1024@yahoo.com. > > > > It would only be $10 each if 12 people are interested > ... > > up to $60 each if there is only one other besides > myself > > ... plus the cost of padded envelope and postage to > send it > > on to the next person .... and perhaps when we are > finished > > there would be another buyer interested in them and we > > could share the proceeds. How about it Don, Mario, > Nancy? > > Anyone else interested? > > > > Let me hear from you! > > Maureen > > > > --- Nancy <NANCYML@WORLDNET.ATT.NET> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > I have been gathering info about purchasing some ESB > > > records on film from NYPL. > > > Thanks to Don and Mario I was able to speak to the > > > library yesterday. I would like > > > to pass on what I was told. > > > 1) Yes they do make and sell the film. > > > 2) You print out the form from their web site and > mail it > > > in to them. > > > http://www.nypl.org/admin/pro/copies/ordmicro.html > > > 3) The cost is $60 plus shipping per roll > > > > > > > > genealogy records, go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, > Gansberg, Bove, > Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, > Marlot, Koch, Hense, > Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, you > will be > unsubscribed. If you are flamed, please contact the list > admin privately. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Adopt a US County list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ > Adopt a Surname list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Kevin Rich published his first volume last year. It covers about 2000 accounts I believe. Best regards. Nancy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mtogl" <mtogl@email.msn.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank - Index Rolls > I have already checked the ESB records. If you are lucky to have had someone > with an account there you will get a lot of info..... But why not checks the > book that has already been published... I forgot how many accounts were > listed... > > Mario > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maureen" <maureen1024@yahoo.com> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 3:31 PM > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Emigrant Savings Bank - Index Rolls > > > > Would anyone out there be interested in sharing the costs > > of index rolls #1 and #2 ..... and we could share them for, > > say, a month at a time? Let me know off-list at > > maureen1024@yahoo.com. > > > > It would only be $10 each if 12 people are interested ... > > up to $60 each if there is only one other besides myself > > ... plus the cost of padded envelope and postage to send it > > on to the next person .... and perhaps when we are finished > > there would be another buyer interested in them and we > > could share the proceeds. How about it Don, Mario, Nancy? > > Anyone else interested? > > > > Let me hear from you! > > Maureen > > > > --- Nancy <NANCYML@WORLDNET.ATT.NET> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > I have been gathering info about purchasing some ESB > > > records on film from NYPL. > > > Thanks to Don and Mario I was able to speak to the > > > library yesterday. I would like > > > to pass on what I was told. > > > 1) Yes they do make and sell the film. > > > 2) You print out the form from their web site and mail it > > > in to them. > > > http://www.nypl.org/admin/pro/copies/ordmicro.html > > > 3) The cost is $60 plus shipping per roll > > > > > > > > genealogy records, go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, > Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, > Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, you will be > unsubscribed. If you are flamed, please contact the list admin privately. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Adopt a US County list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ > Adopt a Surname list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you Elizabeth for your speedy response. I have an idea that in addition to my Grandmother and Grandfather, I may find our long lost cousins who died in the flu epidemic of the early 20's. I 'm sending for the interement list right now. Thanks again. Fran always searching for McCallion, especially those called Daniel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth V. Cardinal" <EVC1369@comcast.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > You do send snail mail to Calvary including all the pertinent date. > > Do not bother if you do not have either a date of death, a date of burial > or the plot number. There records are not alphabetized. > > Calvary will send then send you a letter telling you they have found the > records and quote you an exact price for the transcript. > > You like most of us, will also get a bill for perpetual care. It is rare (I > think) when anyone pays it these days for the fees are high. > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > EVC1369@comcast.net > evcardinal@yahoo.com > www.geocities.com/evcardinal/ > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

When you think of all the burials that have taken place in Calvary...what is it ...a million or two...and how many record books they must have, I have to disagree with you and say the cost for a transcript is pretty darn cheap. Look what we pay the Government for records. Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/

You do send snail mail to Calvary including all the pertinent date. Do not bother if you do not have either a date of death, a date of burial or the plot number. There records are not alphabetized. Calvary will send then send you a letter telling you they have found the records and quote you an exact price for the transcript. You like most of us, will also get a bill for perpetual care. It is rare (I think) when anyone pays it these days for the fees are high. Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/

Irish-American August 2, 1857 Information Wanted Cork - Of Catherine WATSON, from the parish of Milford, County Cork, Ireland. Who arrived in New York City on the 22nd June 1857, in the ship Empire State from Liverpool. If she will call at the Commissioners of Emigration Office, she will hear of something to her advantage. Westmeath - Of John HEATH, a native of the parish of Coolry, county Westmeath, Ireland, who left New York about ten years ago and is supposed to have gone to Pennsylvania or on the York and Erie Railroad. Any information of him will be thankfully received by William HEATH, No. 31 Tallman Street, Brooklyn, State of New York. Southern papers please copy. Galway - Of Margaret RIELLY and Patt CONNOR, from the county of Galway, parish of Roundstone, who came to New York in the ship Benjamin Adams in May 1856 and left New York for Philadelphia. Any information of them will be thankfully received by Margaret's sister or Patt's niece, Honora RIELLY, in care of Mrs. McCROSSON, 114 West 19th Street, between 6th and 7th Avenue, New York. Philadelphia papers please copy. Roscommon - Of James MORAN, a native of county Roscommon, Ireland, who came to this country from Manchester England. When last heard of was at No. 18 Oak Street, New York. His wife and child landed in May, and reside at No. 16 Washington Street, Fall River, Mass., and are anxious to find him. Any information will be thankfully received. Mayo - Of James and Mary COSGROVE, who came from Glencartle parish, county Mayo, to New York City about nine years ago; supposed to have gone to a sister Bridget, some twenty miles from the city and has not been heard of since. Their sister Sarah is very anxious to find their whereabouts, and may be heard from by inquiring at No. 3 West Washington Place, New York. Kilkenny - Of John STONE, a native of Callan, county Kilkenny, Ireland, Shoemaker. When last heard from was in North Bennington, Vermont. Any information respecting him will be thankfully received by his sister Mrs. Johanna CAREW, Norwalk, Connecticut.

Irish-American August 2, 1857 News from Ireland Tipperary - On Monday, June 29th, as Pat SLATTERY, who resides at Dunbarrow, about three miles from Nenagh, was on his way home from the town, he was attacked at the upper end of Pound Street, by three men, who beat him severely. A grown lad named GLEESON, a fiddler, from Silver Street, Nenagh, was saved from drowning lately by Mr. Nion TUCKER. GLEESON had gone to bathe, and being unable to swim took with him a pair of blown bladders, attached to each other by a piece of cord, which passed under his breast. With these he struck out to swim, and went on very well for a short time, but his accessories being moved back from their proper position by the force of the current, his body was overbalanced and his head brought under water. Fortunately, Mr. TUCKER being near at hand, and seeing the young man's perilous position, came to his assistance and rescued him. Waterford - At the Dublin Marine Board on the 2nd and 3rd of July, Mr. William McGRATH, a native of Waterford, passed for only mate; and Mr. Anthony POWER, also of Waterford, for first mate. Leitrim - The following gentlemen compose the County Leitrim Grand Jury: H.L. MONTGOMERY, Esq., M.P. (foreman); William JOHNSON; Col. J.J. WHITE; George WHITE; Francis LA TOUCHE; Hugh O'BEIRNE; John R. DICKSON; Robert COLLINS; Guy LLOYD; Jn. JOHNSTONE; Arthur W.S. BIRCHALL; William LAWDER; Simon ARMSTRONG; Archibald GODLEY; John KANE; John F. TOTTENHAM; Henry M. PALMER; Joshua KELL; Francis WALDRON; George R. PEYTON; Francis M. OLPHERTS; George H. LESTRANGE and Maurice C. MAUDE. Cavan - In the case of Abigail SMITH v. James BROWN, an appeal on a decree in favor of the Provincial Bank for fourty pounds to try whether certain shares in the Cavan Gas Light Company belonged to said Abigail SMITH or her son Edward, who had transferred them to the defendent. The Judge decided that the shares belonged to Edward SMITH, and therefore dismissed the decree with costs. Fermanagh - The following are the names of the Grand Jury: Hon. H.A. COLE, M.P. (foreman); George BROOKE; J.G. PORTER; F.W. BARTON; Wm. ARCHDALL; H.M. RICHARDSON; Simon ARMSTRONG; Paul DANE; Robert ARCHDALE; John COLLUM; Capel ST. GEORGE; N. ARCHDALE; Thomas DICKSON; James CLARKE; Alexander NIXON; J.P. HAMILTON; Charles BARTON; Edward IRVINE; G.P. WILLIS; Edward ATTHILL and Henry ECHLIN, Esq. William LEARY and Patrick FLANAGAN, who were indicted for having, on the 14th of March last, at Killycloughy, mutilated several cows, the property of Mark THOMPSON, by cutting off their ears, were acquitted. Roscommon - The Grand Jury for the Court of Assizes: Fitzstephen FRENCH, Esq. (foreman); Oliver D.J. GRACE, Esq., M.P.; Sir Gilbert KING; Daniel Henry IRWIN; Patrick O'CONNOR; G. LLOYD, Jnr.; Patrick BALFE; Charles FRENCH; Richard IRWIN; William J. McLAUGHLIN; John WOULFE FLANAGAN; John IRWIN; Joseph A. HOLMES; Caleb ROBERTSON; Richard KELLY; Horatio NELSON LAWDER; John JOHNSTON; John ROSS MAHON; William GARNER; Arthur HUBAND; Oliver ARMSTRONG; Henry M. SMYTHE and Roderick J. HANLY. Wicklow - The Grand Jury for the Court of Assizes: William W. FITZWILLIAM HUME, M.P. (foreman); Sir George HODSON; William James WESTBY; Robert F. SAUNDERS; Major Robert A. GUN CUNNINGHAME; John PARNELL; Edward SYMES BAILEY; Francis SYNGE; George HODSON; George PUTLAND; William Robert LA TOUCHE; Coote Alexander CARROLL; Richard Wm. WHALEY; James SCOTT; Edward MAHON; Joseph Scott MOORE; Andrew W. BYRNE; Joseph SALKELD; William COURTENAY; William OWEN; Christopher O'CONNELL; Fitzsimon R. EDWARDS and Caulfield DENNIS.

Irish-American August 2, 1857 Marriages in Ireland July 7 in St. Ann's Church, Dublin, by the Rev. Alexander LEEPER, Robert NEWELL, Esq., son of the late John NEWELL, Esq., M.D., of Gowran, in county Kilkenny, to Susan Antonia, second daughter of Frank THORPE PORTER, Esq., J.P., of Upper Merrion Street, Dublin. July 2 at Kells, county Kilkenny, James LANGRISHE, Esq., eldest son of the Rev. Sir R.H. LANGRISHE, Bart. of Knocktopher Abbey, to Adela DE BIOIS ECCLES of London. July 2 at St. Michael's Church, Limerick, by the Rev. Pryce PEACOCKE, Mr. Thomas CARMAN, of Clare Street, to Eliza GRAHAM, eldest daughter of Mr. Jas. BURKETT, of Dublin. At Croom Church, by Rev. H. BAYLEE, Christopher, son of Benjamin CORNEILLE, Esq., of Ballycrane, to Jane, eldest daughter of John CORNEILLE, Esq., of Bushmount. In Shanagolden, Gerald O'CONOR, Esq., of Nutgrove, to Mary, daughter of the late John O'DONOVAN, Esq., of Millview, county Limerick. At Thomastown Church, Walter BAGOT, Esq., eldest son of the Rev. John BAGOT, of Fontstown, county Kildare, to Annie, only daughter of E.J. MEDICOTT, of Dunmurry, Co. Kildare. In Cork, John CHAMBERS, Esq., Provincial Bank of Ireland, Cork, to Maria, daughter of the late Thomas Henry SWEENEY, Esq., M.D., Eunistymon. In Dublin, Stephen RADCLIFF, second son of Godfrey FETHERSTON, of Dublin, and Glenmore, county Mayo, to Jane, daughter of Joseph BOYCE, D.L., J.P., Dublin. In Booterstown Church, Edward LINDSAY, Esq., barrister-at-law, L.L.D., to Louisa, eldest daughter of Arthur ORMSBY, Esq., of Beaumount, Blackrock, in county Dublin. In Dublin, Edward TANDY, Esq., of Ballish, Ally Gurb, East Indies, and of Crosthwaite Terrace, Kingstown, to Sarah Medora, daughter of the late Thomas TANDY, of Johnsbrook, county Meath. July 2 at the Presbyterian Church, Cookstown, by the Rev. Dr. MORGAN, William GLENN, Esq., Indianapolis, U.S., to Maria Ann, eldest daughter of W. MORGAN, Esq., Cookstown.

Irish-American August 2, 1857 Deaths in Ireland July 5 at the residence of his mother, No. 3 Portobello Harbor, Dublin, after a tedious illness of four years, which ended in rapid consumption, Mr. Robert PATTERSON, aged 22 years. July 6 at the residence of his grandmother, Roundwood, John SPELMAN, Jr., third son of Mr. John SPELMAN, of Patrick Street, Dublin. July 6 at Irishtown, Sandymount, Emily Francis, only child of Mr. R. CARUAGIE, South Patrick's Close, Dublin, aged seven months. July 4 in Lower Leeson Street, Dublin, Catherine, eldest daughter of the late Richard TROTTER, of Rock Island, county Cork. July 5 at 3 Grenville Street, Mountjoy Square, Dublin, Mrs. Abigail NIXON (widow of the late Captain Geo. NIXON), aged 82. July 8 at 55 Leinster Road, Rathmines, Dublin, aged 62 years, Mr. Patrick McEVOY, of Redmond's Hill. July 8, Mrs. Margaret McDONNELL, mother of the Rev. Joseph McDONNELL, of Clondalkin, in the 58th year of her age. July 8 at Fox and Geese, county Dublin, the residence of her father, after a long and protracted illness, Susan, second eldest daughter of Mr. Michael FLOOD, aged 15 years. July 8, Lucy, the beloved wife of Mr. Jas. MAYFIELD, Essex Quay, Dublin. July 4 at his residence, Mullingar, Mr. Henry GILMOR, merchant, aged 54 years. June 26 at Blennerville, county Kerry, Joseph SMITH, Esq., late of the 48th Reg., aged 33. July 1 at Brighton, aged 78, Sarah, relict of T.C. BUNBURY, Esq., late of Bunbury Lodge, county Carlow. At Cloneygown, King's County, aged 67, Mr. Robert HAMILL. Suddenly, at Cheltenham, Louisa, daughter of the late Thomas MORONY, Esq., of Miltown House, county Clare. In Robert Street, Limerick, Miss Grace SAMPSON, daughter of the late Thomas SAMPSON, Esq., Kilno, county Clare. At Gort, Mr. M. GORMAN, banker. In Gort, Mr. Patrick O'DONOHUE. At Passage, near Cork, Mary MORRISON LLOYD, second daughter of Richard LLOYD, Esq. In Cork, Sarah, relict of the late John COTTER, Esq. Francis, eldest son of the late Adam MURPHY, Esq., of Kilkenny, aged 18. In Cork, the widow SEWARD. At Vale Cove, near Glengariffe, Timothy O'DONOVAN, Esq. Minnie, aged 16, daughter of Thomas GARDINER, Esq., of Buttevant. At Whitehall, county Longford, Henry Bevant WILSON SISTOR, Esq., aged 72. At Coolbane, County Clare, Mary, wife of Mr. James COFFEY, niece of the late Rev. Jeremiah TUOHY, P.P., of Killuran, and sister of Dr. TUOHY, LImerick. At Hospital, Mrs. P.R. O'MEAGHER. At Bellevue Place, Clonmel, Mrs. Ellen SARGENT, the beloved wife of the Rev. Abram SARGENT. At Birr, Emily, wife of J.J. BAKER, Esq. James, son of the late David WREN, Esq., of Dronmeveane House, county Cork. At Skibbereen, Catherine, relict of the late Timothy O'DRISCOLL, Esq., of Old Court, county Cork. At Newcastle, Blarney, Jennie and Lizzie, both daughters of David BARELAY, the one 6 1/2 years and the other 5 years old of scarlet fever. Elizabeth DONNER, of Tralee. The Rev. T. O'CALLAGHAN, R.C.C., Lingold.

Anyone have any luck in getting information from St. Vincent de Paul in Brooklyn? I have been trying for years to get them to look up information but to no avail. They are so very pleasant but no one there seems to have the time no matter how much money I send...I am sick about it as I know that my family lived in that area for many decades. Any suggestions? I live in Sacramento... Pam Researching: KING, McCUE, BRIDGEWOOD, SMITH, SHANNON, MURPHY, O'CONNELL, McDANIEL

I also received an internment list from Calvary and did not know 3/4 of the people buried with my grandmother. They turned out to be daughters, sister and grandchildren. This was my best genealogical find! Linda Linda Gill Grove Surname Researching: IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor "Their Story Is Our Story"

How exactly did you request this interment list from Calvary? Can you request by phone or does it have to be by snail mail and what does this cost please? Thanks in advance... Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "BBurnett" <bburnett@optonline.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > Don and Dorothy, > > I recently received an interment list from Calvary Cemetery. It took > about six weeks. Four family plots were purchased on January 9, 1860 by > James McLoughlin, who I believe to be my 3rd great grandfather. There are 22 > people buried in those plots, including my great grandfather, who is also > James McLaughlin. Many of the names I've never heard of. I don't know the > maiden name of my 3rd great grandmother but there are a lot of Timmerman's > buried in these plots. It's very interesting. The list includes the name of > the deceased, date of burial, age at death, which grave the person is buried > in and birth place; nothing exact, all of these birth places are either NY, > Ireland and two US. > Using this information I sent to the NY Dept. of Records and Information > Services (DORIS) for a death certificate for the woman I believe to be my > 3rd great grandmother, and just this morning received not a death > certificate like I'm used to seeing, but a copy of a list giving the date of > decease, name, age at death, street address, place of nativity, disease, > cemetery, occupation, and attending physician. I was hoping for a maiden > name but with a street address perhaps I'll be able to find them in the > census and go from there. Every little bit helps. > Prepare yourself. Calvary also sent me a bill for $2,625.00 for > outstanding annual care charges due. They suggested I put the graveholdings > under Perpetual Care for $2,750.00. If I do this now I can save the $144.00 > annual care charge for 2002 and it will only cost me a total of $5,231.00. I > hope they don't evict my ancestors when I don't respond. I don't believe > they really expect me to pay it but I guess it's worth a try. Actually, they > were some of the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with. > Good luck in your research, > > Barb in CT > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Don and Dorothy, I recently received an interment list from Calvary Cemetery. It took about six weeks. Four family plots were purchased on January 9, 1860 by James McLoughlin, who I believe to be my 3rd great grandfather. There are 22 people buried in those plots, including my great grandfather, who is also James McLaughlin. Many of the names I've never heard of. I don't know the maiden name of my 3rd great grandmother but there are a lot of Timmerman's buried in these plots. It's very interesting. The list includes the name of the deceased, date of burial, age at death, which grave the person is buried in and birth place; nothing exact, all of these birth places are either NY, Ireland and two US. Using this information I sent to the NY Dept. of Records and Information Services (DORIS) for a death certificate for the woman I believe to be my 3rd great grandmother, and just this morning received not a death certificate like I'm used to seeing, but a copy of a list giving the date of decease, name, age at death, street address, place of nativity, disease, cemetery, occupation, and attending physician. I was hoping for a maiden name but with a street address perhaps I'll be able to find them in the census and go from there. Every little bit helps. Prepare yourself. Calvary also sent me a bill for $2,625.00 for outstanding annual care charges due. They suggested I put the graveholdings under Perpetual Care for $2,750.00. If I do this now I can save the $144.00 annual care charge for 2002 and it will only cost me a total of $5,231.00. I hope they don't evict my ancestors when I don't respond. I don't believe they really expect me to pay it but I guess it's worth a try. Actually, they were some of the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with. Good luck in your research, Barb in CT