The only thing I forgot to mention is that I sent the e-mail several times over the course of a month or 6 weeks. I wanted to let them know I wasn't going to give up. At 11:18 PM 04/04/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Well, I am impressed. I sent all info I had on gfather on Feb 4 to NARA and >am still waiting for reply. You make it sound so easy. How did you ever >get the info? Barbara > > > >==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== >List Administrators: >Tracy Cassidy GaelEire@aol.com >Jim McCarthy SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Well, I am impressed. I sent all info I had on gfather on Feb 4 to NARA and am still waiting for reply. You make it sound so easy. How did you ever get the info? Barbara

Hi - I've sort of lost track of where this Calvary Cemetery train of messages is leading. If any one is looking for internments in Calvary Cemetery (49-02 Laurel Hill Blvd., Woodside, NY 11317 ) it might be helpful to also look into the volunteer database maintained by the Irish Genealogical Society Int'l. (IGSI) in Minnesota. They have been putting this together for years. Keeping in mind that a majority of Irish immigrants came through NYC in the mid/late 1800's. Many had relatives here, and some family members stayed and others went across America. Those that died in NYC in those years (up to the 1930's) were likely buried in Calvary So there is a strong tie to this resting place. Members of IGSI have been submitting Calvary burial information into a database in the following form: First Date Grv Year Place RA- Donor Surname Name Interred # Age Born Born SEC NGE PLOT IG# If you find a relatives burial you also have found another family researcher by contacting the information donor. This is not restricted to just Irish, it has any Calvary burial submitted. There are also links to other sites containing Calvary information. This link should get you to the IGSI site. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/igsi_published/cemetery/calnet96.htm Also to follow the "Perpetual Care" tales; try opening an old grave for a new burial if the "Perpetual Care" bill is overdue. If you can prove it did not exist when the plot was purchased (you have the original deed) you can fight the costs. However this generally comes up when a new burial is about to be held and the original deeds are nowhere to be found. So the distraught family members pay. I have family buried in Calvary since 1887 and the plots are all still there, although the cemetery "accidentally" removed some iron boundary markers in order to allow faster grass cutting. Some older plots from 1910's had no headstones but we know their exact location and they have not been disturbed. They did not have any such thing as extra perpetual care cost, that is a recent innovation, about 1950's. Cemetery maintenance went with the gravesite. In "olden" days they had the manpower and took more care in maintenance. Good Luck in your research, Bud L

Hello Maureen, I would love to find aconnection to Mary KING SHANNON (b July1859 Brooklyn) she was my ggrandfather's sister. I know she lived at least until 1932 in Manhatten. I don't have her husband's name. Her sister Sarah or Sadie lived at 231 E. 72nd Manhatten in 1932. Now Mary King Shannon's parents names were Francis KING and Bridget McCue. Most of this family lived in Williamsburg, after arriving from who knows where in Ireland, from 1850 to 1908. After that I find them in Manhatten and the Bronx. Any possiblities? Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: Maureen <maureen1024@yahoo.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] St. Vincent de Paul > Me again! > > I have a John SHANNON b. Dec 1863 in New York married to > Nora Lynch, daughter of Martin and Bridget "Delia" Lynch > and living at 547 West 26th Street in Manhattan with > children Della (1889), Martin (1891), John (1893) and Grace > (1897) in the 1900 Federal Census. The Shannons were my > dad's favorite cousins. They lived in the same building > from the time my dad was born (1904) until 1909 when Dad's > mother died and Grandpa took the family to live near his > relatives in Weehawken, NJ. > > My aunt and uncle had good friends named Rhea and Vincent > McCUE who lived in Brooklyn and later (maybe 1950s) moved > to Long Island, I believe. My cousins would have photos of > them from their wedding albums, I'm sure. > > Maureen > > --- Pam Jeter <pjeter@psyber.com> wrote: > > Anyone have any luck in getting information from St. > > Vincent de Paul in Brooklyn? > > I have been trying for years to get them to look up > > information but to no avail. > > > > They are so very pleasant but no one there seems to have > > the time no matter how much money I send...I am sick > > about it as I know that my family lived in that area for > > many decades. Any suggestions? I live in Sacramento... > > > > Pam > > Researching: KING, McCUE, BRIDGEWOOD, SMITH, SHANNON, > > MURPHY, > > O'CONNELL, McDANIEL > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run > > frequent scans! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > > genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ===== > Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shelly, Daly, Early, Greene, O'Callaghan > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Mario, Well my guys settled in that neighborhood in the 1860's and I do know that my grandma who was born in 1901 was baptised there as well. Thanks for your reply, Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: mtogl <mtogl@email.msn.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] St. Vincent de Paul > What year are we talking about? > > Mario > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Jeter" <pjeter@psyber.com> > To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:00 AM > Subject: [IRISH-NYC] St. Vincent de Paul > > > > Anyone have any luck in getting information from St. Vincent de Paul in > Brooklyn? > > I have been trying for years to get them to look up information but to no > avail. > > > > They are so very pleasant but no one there seems to have the time no > matter how much money I send...I am sick about it as I know that my family > lived in that area for many decades. Any suggestions? I live in > Sacramento... > > > > Pam > > Researching: KING, McCUE, BRIDGEWOOD, SMITH, SHANNON, MURPHY, > > O'CONNELL, McDANIEL > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Mark your calendar for the 11th annual Genealogy and Technology (GENTECH) conference - Digital Technology...The Ancestral Frontier - in Phoenix, Arizona on January 17-18, 2003. For the latest information, please visit the website regularly: http://www.gentech.org > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In response to Barb's situation with NY Death Certificate. When you request a death certificate you should write on there that you'd like the VAULT COPY. Otherwise you get the computer generated form. :-)Barbara from Seattle

Maureen wrote: Is it possible just to make a tax deductible contribution of, say, $100 a year to the "Archdiocese of NY, Calvary Cemetery" if one cannot pay the $5,000 due? That would help them out somewhat, I think. Has anyone done anything like that? _______________________________________________________ What a good idea! I could probably manage to afford that. $5,000.00 is a little out of my reach. Barb in CT

What does the term 'gentleman' on a shipping record mean? Linda Linda Gill Grove Surname Researching: IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor "Their Story Is Our Story"

THE GATHERING OF THE CLAN To commemorate the one-thousandth anniversary of the coronation of Brian Boru as High King of Ireland his descendants, the O'Brien Clan are gathering for a five-day festival from August 18-22 in County Clare (IrishCircle) http://www.irishabroad.com/olstory.asp?article=1704645 Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/

Merriam's defines the word 'esquire' as: 1. member of the English gentry ranking below a knight 2. candidate for knighthood serving as shield bearer and attendant to a knight 3. a landed proprietor 4. a title of courtesy when placed in its abbreviated form after the surname (John R. Smith, Esq.) Take care, Tracy

Start with e-mailing archives@newyork.nara.gov Tell them everything you know about him, as briefly as poss. Since you have the all-important date, you'll probably get *copies* of the original documents in the mail within a few weeks, with a letter and a bill for research services. I did that, had the date too, and got the copies I wanted with an invoice for $10. which I was happy to pay. I never expected it to be so easy! However, the date of my relative's natz was in 1900. I don't know if you'll have the same response. I found out the one thing I was longing to know: where in Ireland he came from! I e-mailed for info on another relative on whom I had very little info,- just approx dates. They sent me back copies of the index cards (forget what they're called) of several indiv. with that name, and a letter saying if any of them looked like mine and I wanted copies of the full file, to contact them. So thought you might be happy to find this out! Good luck! Agnes At 11:32 AM 04/04/2002 -0800, Cathy A Harrison wrote: >I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I need to ask again. >I have a naturalization date for one of my ancestors, 10/25/1867, >Superior Court, NY County. How do I obtain a copy of the original record >and should it provide much information? > >Thanks in advance. > >Cathy > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > >==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== >Do you miss receiving MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS? If so, >just subscribe to: >http://www.petuniapress.com/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I need to ask again. I have a naturalization date for one of my ancestors, 10/25/1867, Superior Court, NY County. How do I obtain a copy of the original record and should it provide much information? Thanks in advance. Cathy ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

<<I see classified ads in newspapers for cemetery plots all the time.>> What cemeteries, buying or selling and what newspapers. I no longer live in the NY area. Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/

<<Is it possible just to make a tax deductible contribution of, say, $100 a year to the "Archdiocese of NY, Calvary Cemetery" if one cannot pay the $5,000 due? >> I do not see why not. All contributions of that kind are deductible and you can earmark it for Calvary. You can also negotiate with Calvary. They m ight wave the old charges if you pay the current fee for Perpetual care. I did that in one instance. Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/

The soil at Calvary is extremely sandy hence the quick decomposition. Once you bury two or three people in them using concrete liners that ends the burying of another person. Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/

It is my understanding that Calvary is well endowed and investments have paid off. How true this is, I do not know. I do know they took down all those lovely wrought iron fences and then sold plots in what were once walkways. My in laws are buried there. Calvary told me once they do not resell plots. Does anyone know if this is still true? I inherited numerous plots in Pinelawn that my great grandmother purchases in 1905. There has never been a burial in any of them and Pinelawn is not interested in buying them back either. Elizabeth V. Cardinal EVC1369@comcast.net evcardinal@yahoo.com www.geocities.com/evcardinal/

What year are we talking about? Mario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Jeter" <pjeter@psyber.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:00 AM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] St. Vincent de Paul > Anyone have any luck in getting information from St. Vincent de Paul in Brooklyn? > I have been trying for years to get them to look up information but to no avail. > > They are so very pleasant but no one there seems to have the time no matter how much money I send...I am sick about it as I know that my family lived in that area for many decades. Any suggestions? I live in Sacramento... > > Pam > Researching: KING, McCUE, BRIDGEWOOD, SMITH, SHANNON, MURPHY, > O'CONNELL, McDANIEL > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Me too Sent two months ago, nothing yet. regards, nancy Pam Jeter wrote: > Anyone have any luck in getting information from St. Vincent de Paul in Brooklyn? > I have been trying for years to get them to look up information but to no avail. > > They are so very pleasant but no one there seems to have the time no matter how much money I send...I am sick about it as I know that my family lived in that area for many decades. Any suggestions? I live in Sacramento... > > Pam > Researching: KING, McCUE, BRIDGEWOOD, SMITH, SHANNON, MURPHY, > O'CONNELL, McDANIEL > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I used to see them in NY and NJ ---- now I see them in Chicago papers. There are regular sections for them, just like furniture or real estate ads in the classifieds, there are cemetery plots, too. Try your favorite paper in the vicinity of the cemetery. Maureen --- "Elizabeth V. Cardinal" <EVC1369@comcast.net> wrote: > <<I see classified ads in newspapers for cemetery plots > all the time.>> > > What cemeteries, buying or selling and what newspapers. > I no longer live in > the NY area. > > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > EVC1369@comcast.net > evcardinal@yahoo.com > www.geocities.com/evcardinal/ > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Cotter, Shannon, Sullivan, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Fischer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shook, Shelly, Prichard, Tye, Daly, Early, Greene, Callaghan, Fitzgerald, McGrath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Today we generally use the honorary term "Esquire" for members of the legal profession. I was noticing the use of the term in the 1857 Irish-American in the references to marriages and to general news. Is anyone familiar with the usage in 1857? Jim B.