The April 1857 transcriptions from the "Irish-American" have now been uploaded to the list website. I've also added a second (and more sensitive) search engine. April's transcriptions include 'Marriages, Deaths & News in Ireland' as well as 'Information Wanted' and also 'Marriages & Deaths in New York City.' http://www.irisihinnyc.freeservers.com Take care, Tracy IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY list admin

Just to add my few pence worth, In my research of various sources ,Births, deaths, etc, here in Waterford I come across loads of entries "Lady" and "Gentleman" most of those are English.(Not all) eddie

Irish-American August 8, 1857 News from Ireland Derry - On the 3rd July, a soiree was held in the Presbyterian church, Dunluce, on which occasion a congratulatory address, accompanied by a purse of sovereigns, was presented to the pastor, Rev. William OLIVER. Mr. Thomas BEATH, of Philadelphia, now on a visit to his native parish, presided. At the recent examinations in Trinity College, Dublin, Mr. William N. McGINNESS, of Derry, was awarded the first prize in Italian, and obtained a third prize in the Language and Literature of France. Mr. William McCONAGHY obtained a prize in Science. At a meeting held lately in Belfast, it was resolved to raise a sum of money to defray the expenses of the defence of the Rev. Mr. GAMBLE, of Castledawson, who, it may be remembered, was arrested at the late election for the county Derry, and to express for him the sympathy and undiminished esteem and regard of his friends. Cavan - The foundation of a new church has been laid at Mullagh, by the Rev. Mr. CONATY. Monaghan - A richly chased silver coffee and tea service, with hot water kettle, has been presented by the inhabitants of Carrickmacross and its vicinity to Edmund O'BEIRNE, Esq., late manager of the National Bank, on his removal to Kells branch, in testimony of their approval of his conduct as an able and zealous officer of that establishment, and in token of their sincere respect and esteem. Fermanagh - The situation of postmaster of Enniskillen, in the gift of the Treasury, is still vacant, the appointment of Dr. O'DONNELL not having been confirmed. A memorial of the townspeople, comprising the gentry, merchants, traders, etc., has been presented in favor of Mr. William BALL, who has been senior assistant in the office for 22 years.

Irish-American August 8, 1857 Marriages in Ireland July 14 at St Mark's Church, Dublin, Miss Johanna MURPHY to Mr. Henry CHOWER. July 13 in St George's Church, Dublin, Herbert PANMURE RIBTON, Esq., only son of Geo. RIBTON, Esq., M.D., to Adelaide Louisa JEBB, daughter of John HILL LINDE, of Eyrefield, county Kildare. July 14 at St Michan's Church, Dublin, James HARVEY, Esq., merchant, Londonderry, to Kate Francis, daughter of Samuel WRIGLEY, Esq., manager of Richmond Asylum, Dublin. July 16 at St Peter's Church, Dublin, Charles T. GINTY, Esq., C.E., of Dundalk, to Alice Fanny, second daughter of the late John CLARK, Esq. July 14 in Holycross Church, Clonmel, the Rev. John HEMPHILL, curate of Moyne, son of Samuel HEMPHILL, Esq., M.D., of Clonmel, to Harriet, youngest daughter of the Rev. H.B. HULSATT. In Roscommon, Richard, third son of the late Rev. John GARRETT, vicar of Emlyfad, Sligo, to Ellen DILLON, daughter of George KNOX, Esq., R.M., for Roscommon. July 15 at St John's Church, Limerick, Eliza Mary COLLIS, of Claremount Villa, to James William KINGSLEY, Esq., Lieut. 28th Regt., son of the late Major Chas. KINGLSEY, of Blackrock, county Dublin. July 9 at the parish chapel, Slieverue, James NOWLAN, Esq., of Kilkenny, to Honoria WALSH, eldest daughter of the late Edmond WALSH, Esq., of Kilminock, county Kilkenny. At St James's, Picadilly, London, Colonel N.R. BROWN, to the Hon. Mary A. ABERCROMBY. At St Michael's chapel, Limerick, Malachy RYAN, Esq., Upper Glentworth Street, to Miss Dorothea SPEARING, daughter of the late Mr. SPEARING, Rathkeale. July 9 in Aglish Church, Cork, Robert Wm. MOORE, Esq., to Ellen HARRIS, daughter of the late James CROSS, Esq., of Clonoby. At Cullen, Wm. LABATT PAYNE, Esq., Mulgrave Cottage, Limerick, to Mary, second daughter of J.R. HEUSTON, Esq., Russelstown House, Tipperary. At St Andrew's Church, Dublin, John Thos. LINGARD, of Cooga House, county Clare, to Charity Ann, second daughter of Robert ROBERTS, Esq., Bank of Ireland. In Dublin, George CROSTER, Esq., of York Street, to Emily A.F. McCLINTOCK, youngest daughter of the late Henry McCLINTOCK, Esq., of Dundalk. At Armagh, George Gabriel STOKES, Esq., Fellow of Pembroke College, to Mary Susanna, only daughter of the Rev. Thomas R. ROBINSON, D.D., F.R.S. At Ballymena, Mr. William MORELAND, merchant, Belfast, to Sarah, second daughter of Mr. Aaron REA, Ballymena. At Rostrever, James McNEILLY, Esq., Glassdrammond, co. Down, to Anna MOORE, only daughter of the late Nathaniel WEIR, Esq., solicitor, Newry.

Irish-American August 8, 1857 Deaths in Ireland At Rosebank, Moville, John IRVINE, Esq, surgeon, R.N., aged 72 years. July 13, aged two years and three months, Francis A., the beloved child of John KAVANAGH, Esq. July 16 at Booterstown Avenue, Dublin, in the 46th year of her age, after a long and painful illness, Bridget, the wife of Mathew MAGRATH, 15 Townsend Street. June 28 at her residence, 11 West Street, Low Hill, Liverpool, after a few days' illness, aged 46 years, Mrs. Catherine HENLEY, formerly of the city of Dublin. July 14 at Limerick, Bernard McNULTY, Esq., aged 66 years - an old and respected citizen. July 9 at her residence, Mount Collyer Park, Jane, relict of Alexander MACKAY, Jun., Esq., proprietor of the Belfast News-Letter. July 9 at Cork, Mary, eldest daughter of the late Richard COPINGER, Esq. July 11 at Upper William Street, Limerick, Captain John SANDWITH, commander of the steamship European. July 11 at Rathfarnaham, after a lingering illness, Harriet Mary, the beloved daughter of Joseph WHITE, Esq., 7 Upper Buckingham Street, Dublin. July 10 in Wickham Street, Limerick, at an advanced age, Mr. Michael McDONNELL, for many years in the employment of the Messrs. RUSSELL. In Mary Street, Waterford, Sarah, the beloved wife of Thomas WHITE JACOB, Esq. July 7, Mrs. James RYAN, of Cloghonan, Templederry. July 8 in Borrisokane, Marian Frances, wife of Mr. John REDDAIR, of that town, and daughter of Mr. Edward GUERIN, Nenagh, at the early age of 21 years. July 10 in Clonmel, after a few days illness, Mr. Michael DEAN, Deputy Clerk of county Tipperary. At the house of his daughter, Mr. James SPARLING, for many years clerk of the parish church of Kilkeedy, co. Limerick. At Gurthaville, Limerick, Mrs. Frances RYAN. In Limerick, Catherine, wife of Mr. James SUCKLEY. At Monard, James J. EVANS, Esq. At Newtown Park, Charles DOYNE, Esq. In Dublin, General George BEATLY, Royal Marines, aged 73. In Clontarf, Elizabeth GALE, wife of the late Peter GALE, Esq., of Pigeon Park, Queen's County. At Rathmines, Mr. Patrick McEVOY. In Dublin, Mr. Thomas CAMERON.

On Saturday, April 6 at 2 pm, midtown Manhattan will be taken over by a drum and pipe parade in honor of National Tartan Day. An estimated 10,000 pipers & drummers are expected for this record-breaking parade! The parade will span 36 city blocks up Sixth Avenue and through Central Park. The FDNY Emerald Society has already distributed the music and it is reported to contain seven sets in three groupings: 'Green Hills of Tyrol', 'The Battle's O'er' and 'Lochanside' in 3/4 slow time; 'Farewell to the Creeks' and 'Cock of the North' in fast 6/8 time; and 'Scotland the Brave' and 'Minstrel Boy' in common 4/4 time. Instructions are to play each tune once and repeat the set until instructed to stop! The brigade of pipers will be led up Sixth Avenue by actor Sean Connery. The fund-raising goal of the event is $1 million for cancer-care organizations throughout the US and the UK. It is reported that the FDNY Emerald Society will be honored. Pipe & Drum bands from most Scottish-American and Irish-American organizations will be represented! The parade will be televised both in the US and the UK. Stations haven't been announced. For more information, please see the Pipe Fest official website at: http://www.pipefest.com/ Take care, Tracy

Bud, Thank you so much for your response to my post. You are correct in saying that some buried in this location lived alone and died in a hospital as my grandmother died in the hospital and she was alone, as all her children were taken away in the 40's for some reason and she and her husband divorced or just went their seperate ways, and you could also be correct in saying she was looked after by a priest, as their was a priest from Saint Vincents that helped my grandmothers, mother raise her children. My grandmother was not allowed to visit or see her children. I know their father tried to see them once but was thrown off the property and sent away. We still to this day have nothing further on my grandfather or grandmother. I know very little of my grandparents families. Its sad though to think she died alone and didn't even have a family plot to be buried in. Hopefully one day I will learn more about my grandmothers life and what lead her to be alone in life and death. Thanks for your kind response. Wanda

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We're receiving a lot of bounces from subscribers' mailboxes this week. Some due to full mailboxes, others due to temporary ISP problems. The list is automatically set to unsubscribe someone after four bounces. Jim and I are trying to stay on top of these bounces so no one gets unsubscribed. If by chance, you should find yourself unsubscribed (and didn't request it), please just go ahead and subscribe again. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Take care, Tracy NEW-YORK-CITY list admin

Here's what Merriam's has for 'gentleman' : 1. a man of noble birth 2. a man belonging to the landed gentry 3. a man who combines gentle birth or rank with chivalrous qualities 4. a man whose conduct conforms to a high standard of propriety and correct behavior 5. a man of independent means who does not engage in any occupation or profession for gain 6. a man who does not engage in a menial occupation or trade for gain 7. a courteous reference for a man of any social class or condition Doesn't really help to clear it up, does it? <vbg> Take care, Tracy

>From mtogl@email.msn.com : Don't forget to visit the NYPL and look in the book on cemetery inscriptions... Mario

Hi: Can someone tell me the difference between a NY " death certificate" and a "Vault copy death certificate"? regards, susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <DrBGC@aol.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Calvary Cemetery > In response to Barb's situation with NY Death Certificate. When you request > a death certificate you should write on there that you'd like the VAULT COPY. > Otherwise you get the computer generated form. > :-)Barbara from Seattle > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, you will be unsubscribed. If you are flamed, please contact the list admin privately. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

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Wanda - Calvary Cemetery has a few "Free Grave" sections - I know section 39 also has this. Free grave burials were generally requested by a Parish Priest for a deceased church member who did not have funds to purchase a regular site. Often these poor souls lived alone and died in a hospital and no family could be found. The purpose was to have them buried in consecrated ground as opposed to the City's Potters field. I believe this practice still exists. Some have been re-buried into a purchased grave after family members were made aware of the death. This happened in my family, but the re-burial occurred within a year of death and free grave burial location could be determined. You are looking back 50 years, think of it as a burial section, not individual graves. Be comforted that your Grandmother was buried in consecrated grounds, some Parish Priest looked after her. Bud L

Barbara, Here is the list of libraries I have: CO DENVER PUB LIBR FL BROWARD CNTY, LIBR DIV MA BOSTON PUB LIBR MA HARVARD UNIV, HARVARD COL LIBR TECH SERV MI LIBRARY OF MICHIGAN OH STATE LIBR OF OHIO Also, NYPL at 5th Ave and 42nd St & Mormon FHL in Salt Lake City. Don --- DrBGC@aol.com wrote: > Please publish the list where the NY Emigrant > Savings Bank Records can be > found. Thanks! > Barbara > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" > (without the quotes) to either: > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com (List > Version) > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest > Version) > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

Barb, Thanks for your email. It was very interesting to hear your story. Great news that you were able to find your ancestors. Hope I am able to do the same. Don --- BBurnett <bburnett@optonline.net> wrote: > Don and Dorothy, > > I recently received an interment list from > Calvary Cemetery. It took > about six weeks. Four family plots were purchased on > January 9, 1860 by > James McLoughlin, who I believe to be my 3rd great > grandfather. There are 22 > people buried in those plots, including my great > grandfather, who is also > James McLaughlin. Many of the names I've never heard > of. I don't know the > maiden name of my 3rd great grandmother but there > are a lot of Timmerman's > buried in these plots. It's very interesting. The > list includes the name of > the deceased, date of burial, age at death, which > grave the person is buried > in and birth place; nothing exact, all of these > birth places are either NY, > Ireland and two US. > Using this information I sent to the NY Dept. of > Records and Information > Services (DORIS) for a death certificate for the > woman I believe to be my > 3rd great grandmother, and just this morning > received not a death > certificate like I'm used to seeing, but a copy of a > list giving the date of > decease, name, age at death, street address, place > of nativity, disease, > cemetery, occupation, and attending physician. I was > hoping for a maiden > name but with a street address perhaps I'll be able > to find them in the > census and go from there. Every little bit helps. > Prepare yourself. Calvary also sent me a bill > for $2,625.00 for > outstanding annual care charges due. They suggested > I put the graveholdings > under Perpetual Care for $2,750.00. If I do this now > I can save the $144.00 > annual care charge for 2002 and it will only cost me > a total of $5,231.00. I > hope they don't evict my ancestors when I don't > respond. I don't believe > they really expect me to pay it but I guess it's > worth a try. Actually, they > were some of the nicest people I've ever had the > pleasure of dealing with. > Good luck in your research, > > Barb in CT > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and > run frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/

No, he was not retired. He was 21 when he came over on the ship and his occupation was 'gentleman'. I know he was a carpenter. Go figure? Linda Linda Gill Grove Surname Researching: IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor "Their Story Is Our Story"

I received a similar letter about a non titled grave that Calvary owns and it says people in the grave are not related.My G Grandmother Margaret Walsh Rich is buried there.

Any time I've encountered the word 'gentleman' as someone's occupation (in the early 20th century), it's for a person who was retired. So I always assumed it was a polite term for retired. Was this in reference to an older person? Take care, Tracy

My grandmother is buried in Calvary Cemetery and the address on her death cert. gives address as Long Island City, Queens Co.NY. She died in 1952 and is buried in Section 14,Range 47 Plot L GRAVE 13 AND 14. When I called the cemetery to find out exactley where she was buried I was given the above information and told this part of the cemetery was owned by Calvary and for those who could not afford a burial. This section has no head stones and when I asked her who else was in the same grave she said many people, and not related, it was the way she said "Many" that makes me think there is an awfull lot in her grave.I would like to find out who else is in the graves with my grandmother, can someone tell me how to go about this? The last time I wrote to Calvary I waited over a year and still never heard from them thats when I called them for the location of her grave. Can anyone help me get this information? If I can get it I will post all names on this board maybe it will help others find their relatives also. Wanda