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    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] Baptism Cert

    3. Thanks Susan-I dont have the parents names--thats what im looking for-hoping the names would be on the cert.I guess its just a shot in the dark. John

    04/27/2002 11:58:24
    1. [IRISH-NYC] RE:MULLEN- LEDDY-GRAFF

    3. Hi Researching the following families; 1900 to 1949 Queens County & Kings County. Thomas MULLEN & Bridget-Queens County 1900 to 1908 James A. LEDDY & Ella (Ella) Kings County 1900 1915 William GRAFF & Magdalina Queens County 1900 to 1968 Also Patrick MULLEN 1900 to 1925. Either Queens County or Kings County. Any one else researching these names? Nan

    04/27/2002 10:46:39
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] Names

    3. I've also seen several times a son's first or middle name is his mother's maiden name. This can sometimes prove an invaluable clue!

    04/27/2002 10:23:39
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] Names
    2. REGINA ATCHINSON

    3. Based on the book “In Search Of Your British & Irish Roots” by Angus Baxter, between 1700-1875 there was a “Naming Pattern” of children. It went as follows: -The first son was named after the father’s father (paternal grandfather) -The second son was named after the mother’s father (maternal grandfather) -The third son was named after the father *The fourth son was named after the father’s eldest -The first daughter was named after the mother’s mother (maternal grandmother) -The second daughter was named after the father’s mother (paternal grandmother) -The third daughter was named after the mother *The fourth daughter was named after the mother’s eldest sister In my own research I have seen this pattern duplicated over and over again. This is one of the main reasons finding the exact ancestor is so difficult. But this pattern can also be quite useful. For example, if you know the name of your great-grandfather and know all his children’s names then, by using this pattern you can usually figure out what his father and grandfather's names were. The same goes for your great-grandmother and so on. My grandmother, Celina, was named after her mother’s mother, Celinis (Celina). John Albert Berryman Wills named his first son William. I recently found out that John’s father’s name was William Wills. The same pattern was set for my Irish ancestors. The only problem is if a man has four sons and each one of them name their first son after their father, as done with my Cranney family in Ireland, you could have four James Cranneys all born close together. Trying to sort out which one is your direct ancestor will set your head spinning.! If you are searching for ancestors in the United Kingdom try out this naming pattern. If you’re up against the proverbial “brick wall” it might help. Ginger ----- Original Message ----- From: GaelEire@aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 2:47 PM To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Names Hi John, The tradition was to name the first male child after the father's father. But I've seen several variations of this naming pattern in my family. Take care, Tracy ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) to either: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com (List Version) IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Version) You can also unsubscribe from the website: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

    04/27/2002 09:28:42
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] Names

    3. Hi John, The tradition was to name the first male child after the father's father. But I've seen several variations of this naming pattern in my family. Take care, Tracy

    04/27/2002 08:43:41
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] 1910 Census Lookup Request

    3. Thank you Ellen! It was very sweet of you to look these up for me. I really appreciate it. I didn't realize there were so many Thomas J Cassidys in NY in 1910. Now I have to narrow it down. Thanks again, Tracy

    04/27/2002 08:42:15
    1. [IRISH-NYC] Baptism Cert

    3. Hi List--How does one begin to obtain a baptism cert from a NYC church ? John

    04/27/2002 07:18:44
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] Catholic Church
    2. Maureen

    3. Probably about 20 or 30 Catholic churches were pretty close. They were often 4-6 blocks apart in those days when 1000-1500 people were often living on one square block in NYC and one square block formed an entire Census ED! Go to the Archdiocese of NY web site and go through the addresses. You will see when each parish was formed. Some of those old churches have now closed, and you can learn there on that site which existing church is storing the old records from the closed church. Contact those that interest you and ask them what their boundaries were in the old days. Another notion is to contact the Archdiocesan Archivist ..... perhaps there are old maps from the 19th century and early 20th century of parish boundaries that we could acquire and put up on the Irish-NYC web site for all to share!!! Perhaps the Archivist has TONS of stuff we'd love to have on the web site!!! --- Snaturequest@aol.com wrote: > What Catholic church's were located close to E 17th > street in NYC in 1880 ? > Thank You > John Scanlon > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

    04/27/2002 05:56:57
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] Names
    2. Maureen

    3. They generally named the first son for the father's father. This may or may not have also been the father's name. Maureen --- Snaturequest@aol.com wrote: > Dear List > Was it customary for the Irish to name their first Son > (first Name) after the > father, in the 1800's? > Thanks > John > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Do you miss receiving MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS? > If so, > just subscribe to: > http://www.petuniapress.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Cotter, Shannon, Sullivan, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Fischer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shook, Shelly, Prichard, Tye, Daly, Early, Greene, Callaghan, Fitzgerald, McGrath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

    04/27/2002 05:48:17
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] Baptism Cert
    2. Maureen

    3. Go the the web site of the NYC Archdiocese, find the church listed with it's address and phone, and call for info or write directly (enclosing a contribution check for $25) to the church. Maureen --- Snaturequest@aol.com wrote: > Hi List--How does one begin to obtain a baptism cert from > a NYC church ? > John > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Do you miss receiving MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS? > If so, > just subscribe to: > http://www.petuniapress.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Cotter, Shannon, Sullivan, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Fischer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shook, Shelly, Prichard, Tye, Daly, Early, Greene, Callaghan, Fitzgerald, McGrath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

    04/27/2002 05:47:06
    1. [IRISH-NYC] Names

    3. Dear List Was it customary for the Irish to name their first Son (first Name) after the father, in the 1800's? Thanks John

    04/27/2002 04:57:25
    1. [IRISH-NYC] Catholic Church

    3. What Catholic church's were located close to E 17th street in NYC in 1880 ? Thank You John Scanlon

    04/27/2002 04:06:45
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] 1910 Census Lookup Request
    2. Ellen Quinn

    3. This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1EDB7.71C09890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tracy here's all the Thomas Cassidy's Ellen Q ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1EDB7.71C09890 Content-Type: text/plain; name="cassidy..txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="cassidy..txt" 1910 US Census Index: New York City Surname,Given = Name,Age,Sex,Race,Birthplace,County,Locality,T624-Roll,Part,Page,Sub = Page CASSIDY,THOMAS S,43,M,W,NY,KINGS,5-WD BROOKLYN,956,1,119,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,37,M,W,NY,KINGS,7-WD BROOKLYN,957,1,149,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,66,M,W,IREL,KINGS,7-WD BROOKLYN,957,1,151,B CASSIDY,THOMAS J,34,M,W,NY,KINGS,8-WD BROOKLYN,958,2,120,B CASSIDY,THOMAS,45,M,W,IREL,KINGS,8-WD BROOKLYN,959,1,191,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,45,M,W,PA,KINGS,15-WD BROOKLYN,964,1,92,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,38,M,W,IREL,KINGS,20-WD BROOKLYN,970,1,105,A CASSIDY,THOMAS F,33,M,W,NY,KINGS,22-WD BROOKLYN,970,2,54,A CASSIDY,THOMAS F,38,M,W,NJ,KINGS,22-WD BROOKLYN,971,1,129,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,36,M,W,IREL,KINGS,22-WD BROOKLYN,971,1,196,B CASSIDY,THOMAS,32,M,W,NY,KINGS,25-WD BROOKLYN,974,1,163,B CASSIDY,THOMAS,14,M,W,NY,KINGS,24-WD BROOKLYN,975,1,253,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,65,M,W,IREL,KINGS,29-WD BROOKLYN,982,2,276,B CASSIDY,THOMAS H,44,M,W,IREL,NEW YORK,9-PCT 32-AD BRONX,996,2,198,B CASSIDY,THOMAS,23,M,W,IREL,NEW YORK,1-WD MANHATTAN,1004,1,4,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,24,M,W,NY,NEW YORK,9-WD MANHATTAN,1006,1,127,B CASSIDY,THOMAS,59,M,W,IREL,KINGS,9-WD BROOKLYN,960,1,140,B CASSIDY,THOMAS,80,M,W,IREL,KINGS,9-WD BROOKLYN,960,2,269,A CASSIDY,THOMAS F,44,M,W,IREL,KINGS,9-WD BROOKLYN,960,2,272,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,26,M,W,NY,KINGS,9-WD BROOKLYN,960,2,273,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,40,M,W,NY,NEW YORK,7-WD MANHATTAN,1007,2,90,A CASSIDY,THOMAS M,24,M,W,NY,NEW YORK,12-WD MANHATTAN,1014,1,156,B CASSIDY,THOMAS,42,M,W,NJ,NEW YORK,12-WD MANHATTAN,1018,2,72,B CASSIDY,THOMAS,25,M,W,NY,NEW YORK,12-WD MANHATTAN,1021,2,23,B CASSIDY,THOMAS A,35,M,W,NY,NEW YORK,12-WD MANHATTAN,1025,1,88,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,26,M,W,NY,NEW YORK,17-WD MANHATTAN,1034,1,265,B CASSIDY,THOMAS,43,M,W,IREL,NEW YORK,16-WD MANHATTAN,1034,2,319,B CASSIDY,THOMAS J,54,M,W,IREL,NEW YORK,16-WD MANHATTAN,1035,1,117,A CASSIDY,THOMAS J,25,M,W,IREL,NEW YORK,18-WD MANHATTAN,1036,1,243,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,45,M,W,IREL,NEW YORK,21-WD MANHATTAN,1037,2,159,a CASSIDY,THOMAS,30,M,W,NY,NEW YORK,19-WD MANHATTAN,1039,2,51,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,55,M,W,IREL,NEW YORK,19-WD MANHATTAN,1041,2,290,B CASSIDY,THOMAS F,30,M,W,NY,NEW YORK,19-WD MANHATTAN,1042,1,22,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,32,M,W,NY,NEW YORK,20-WD MANHATTAN,1044,2,162,B CASSIDY,THOMAS,34,M,W,IREL,NEW YORK,22-WD MANHATTAN,1046,2,131,B CASSIDY,THOMAS T,40,M,W,IREL,NEW YORK,22-WD MANHATTAN,1046,2,263,B CASSIDY,THOMAS,19,M,W,NY,NEW YORK,22-WD MANHATTAN,1047,1,237,A CASSIDY,THOMAS,51,M,W,IREL,NEW YORK,22-WD MANHATTAN,1048,1,44,B CASSIDY,THOMAS,30,M,W,NY,RICHMOND,3-WD RICHMOND,1073,1,131,B ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C1EDB7.71C09890--

    04/27/2002 12:47:48
    1. [IRISH-NYC] 1910 Census Lookup Request

    3. Would someone with the 1910 NY census CD be kind enough to look up my grandfather? Brooklyn, Kings County, NY Thomas J Cassidy approx age: 18 born: PA He may be residing in a boarding house since both his parents were dead. Thank you for any help you can give me! Take care, Tracy

    04/26/2002 08:00:35
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] KENNEY, NUGENT, SANDERS, MALLOY
    2. Sherry Corder

    3. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maureen" <maureen1024@yahoo.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] SURNAMES ONLY ..... PLEASE! > Please list your SURNAMES only .... do not type "Roll Call" > in the subject of your message! Readers want to scan the > names quickly to find those they are also researching .... > and no one is researching a family named "Roll Call" on > this list! > Thanks! > Maureen > > ===== > Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Cotter, Shannon, Sullivan, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Fischer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shook, Shelly, Prichard, Tye, Daly, Early, Greene, Callaghan, Fitzgerald, McGrath > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, you will be unsubscribed. If you are flamed, please contact the list admin privately. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

    04/26/2002 01:13:43
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] CHAPELLE - ancestry Daily News
    2. Envi-Life, Inc.

    3. Can you provide some info on the Ancestry Daily News? Is it on line or an e-mail subscription. I am always looking for publications that may provide insight into searching. Thanks in advance. Lillian in Houston -----Original Message----- From: Maureen <maureen1024@yahoo.com> To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] CHAPELLE >Did you use the soundex code? Did you try all possible >spellings? There was a great article about the spelling of >names in the Ancestry Daily News yesterday. The author was >writing about the misspellings in the online Ellis Island >database, but it is perfectly applicable to the Census, >too. Just yesterday, also, I found our Joel Shelly's Civil >War records are listed as Joel "Shelley." >Maureen > > >--- LindaKen2048@aol.com wrote: >> Odd that nothing came up on the census. >> Regards, >> Linda >> >> Linda Gill Grove >> Surname Researching: >> IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann >> NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor >> "Their Story Is Our Story" >> >> >> ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== >> Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run >> frequent scans! >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online >> genealogy records, go to: >> >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > >===== >Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Cotter, Shannon, Sullivan, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Fischer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shook, Shelly, Prichard, Tye, Daly, Early, Greene, Callaghan, Fitzgerald, McGrath > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more >http://games.yahoo.com/ > > >==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== >Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, you will be unsubscribed. If you are flamed, please contact the list admin privately. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

    04/26/2002 05:02:00
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] CHAPELLE - ancestry Daily News
    2. Maureen

    3. It's a free emailed publication of Ancestry.com. Go to Google and search for www.ancestry.com. maureen --- "Envi-Life, Inc." <nv-life@worldnet.att.net> wrote: > Can you provide some info on the Ancestry Daily News? Is > it on line or an > e-mail subscription. I am always looking for > publications that may provide > insight into searching. Thanks in advance. > > Lillian in Houston > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maureen <maureen1024@yahoo.com> > To: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Friday, April 26, 2002 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] CHAPELLE > > > >Did you use the soundex code? Did you try all possible > >spellings? There was a great article about the spelling > of > >names in the Ancestry Daily News yesterday. The author > was > >writing about the misspellings in the online Ellis > Island > >database, but it is perfectly applicable to the Census, > >too. Just yesterday, also, I found our Joel Shelly's > Civil > >War records are listed as Joel "Shelley." > >Maureen > > > > > >--- LindaKen2048@aol.com wrote: > >> Odd that nothing came up on the census. > >> Regards, > >> Linda > >> > >> Linda Gill Grove > >> Surname Researching: > >> IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann > >> NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor > >> "Their Story Is Our Story" > >> > >> > >> ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > >> Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and > run > >> frequent scans! > >> > >> ============================== > >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > >> genealogy records, go to: > >> > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >> > > > > > >===== > >Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, > Cotter, Shannon, > Sullivan, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, > VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, > Giefer, Fischer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, > Shook, Shelly, > Prichard, Tye, Daly, Early, Greene, Callaghan, > Fitzgerald, McGrath > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > >http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > > > >==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > >Please don't flame anyone on the list. If you do, you > will be > unsubscribed. If you are flamed, please contact the list > admin privately. > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, > go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Do you miss receiving MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS? > If so, > just subscribe to: > http://www.petuniapress.com/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Cotter, Shannon, Sullivan, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Fischer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shook, Shelly, Prichard, Tye, Daly, Early, Greene, Callaghan, Fitzgerald, McGrath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/

    04/26/2002 04:21:36
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] CHAPELLE
    2. Maureen

    3. Did you use the soundex code? Did you try all possible spellings? There was a great article about the spelling of names in the Ancestry Daily News yesterday. The author was writing about the misspellings in the online Ellis Island database, but it is perfectly applicable to the Census, too. Just yesterday, also, I found our Joel Shelly's Civil War records are listed as Joel "Shelley." Maureen --- LindaKen2048@aol.com wrote: > Odd that nothing came up on the census. > Regards, > Linda > > Linda Gill Grove > Surname Researching: > IN: Gill, Stout, Manor, and Mann > NYC: Joyce, McAleer, Callaghan and McGregor > "Their Story Is Our Story" > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please keep your anti-virus software up-to-date and run > frequent scans! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Cotter, Shannon, Sullivan, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Fischer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shook, Shelly, Prichard, Tye, Daly, Early, Greene, Callaghan, Fitzgerald, McGrath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/

    04/26/2002 01:25:00
    1. Re: [IRISH-NYC] hunting
    2. Maureen

    3. Go to FamilySearch and choose the appropriate microfilms from the ships' passenger lists. Order them one or two at a time at your Family History Center. Maureen --- lcady8 <lcady8@comcast.net> wrote: > Where would I start looking for a list of ships > that left > Lononderry Ireland july 1885 to NYNY LEE GI MI > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Please visit the list website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > It is a work in progress. Thank you for your patience! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Researching: Costello, Lynch, Raftree/Raftery, Doran, Cotter, Shannon, Sullivan, Gansberg, Bove, Zeidt/Seitz, VonAlleman/Wollerman, Amacher, Giefer, Fischer, Marlot, Koch, Hense, Jackler, Alvine, Shook, Shelly, Prichard, Tye, Daly, Early, Greene, Callaghan, Fitzgerald, McGrath __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/

    04/26/2002 01:15:02
    1. [IRISH-NYC] hunting
    2. lcady8

    3. Where would I start looking for a list of ships that left Lononderry Ireland july 1885 to NYNY LEE GI MI

    04/25/2002 11:54:40