Hi Shannah. All told I think that it was a very good article. We have tried for a long time to get media coverage like this for our efforts to regain public access to the records. It has been a long time coming but perhaps more people will become aware of the issue and voice their support for it. The newspaper article prompted a radio interview of myself on CFRB in Toronto and might hopefully boomerang into further information being sought by the media. It all helps. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannah Griggs" <twiss_griggs@uniserve.com> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Post 1901 Census -- Toronto Star Article Gordon, What do you figure??!! (said with scarcasm). Shannah *************************************************** I am researching my Great TWISS Family all throughout this vast world. If you know of anyone who is researching this surname I would appreciate it very much if you would, please, forward my name and two address- es to them. Thank you. Shannah @: twiss_griggs@uniserve.com & twiss_griggs 74@hotmail.com. This last one is meant only as an emergency incase you can not get intouch with me through Uniserve. Thank you. ************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Post 1901 Census -- Toronto Star Article 1906 census a locked treasure trove Greetings All. An excellent article on our Census issue in this morning's Toronto Star. The print version includes a picture of Muriel and Senator Milne. It attributes to myself the title of "retired school teacher" which I will add to titles of Professor, Doctor, and Expert Genealogist that have all been attributed to me -- none of which are correct <}:-) http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?GXHC_gx_session_id_=73f25 a0c1c4130c3&pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=10220999 50551&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News &col=968793972154 Sun Jun 9 10:01:28 2002 http://www.thestar.com Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== List Administrators: Tracy Cassidy GaelEire@aol.com Jim McCarthy SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I just finished reading a book called "Stranded: A Story of New York in 1875" by Peter Burchard, a native of New York. The book is historical fiction,was published in 1967, and is available from Barnes & Nobles in the Out of Print books for anywhere from $6 to $40. Not sure why the difference in price... maybe has something to do with the condition of the book. I got a copy for $10 that was an old copy from a library. Had no trouble reading it. I enjoyed the book very much and would recommend it to anyone with ties to the 4th Ward. The book revolves around a young Scottish Sailor named Gavin McInness arriving in NY in 1875. The boat he is on is to stay in NY for only one night, leaving early the next morning. Gavin goes out for look around NY the evening before leaving, gets in a bit of a brawl, and ends up missing his ship. Gavin stays in NY and spends the rest of the book living in the 4th Ward area. I especially liked the books description of South Street and the warf area, the cellar life some immigrants had to suffer, and the gang tensions that existed at that time. Don McGovern Researching McGovern, Roosevelt Street, 4th Ward, Manhattan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

Gordon, What do you figure??!! (said with scarcasm). Shannah *************************************************** I am researching my Great TWISS Family all throughout this vast world. If you know of anyone who is researching this surname I would appreciate it very much if you would, please, forward my name and two address- es to them. Thank you. Shannah @: twiss_griggs@uniserve.com & twiss_griggs 74@hotmail.com. This last one is meant only as an emergency incase you can not get intouch with me through Uniserve. Thank you. ************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Post 1901 Census -- Toronto Star Article 1906 census a locked treasure trove Greetings All. An excellent article on our Census issue in this morning's Toronto Star. The print version includes a picture of Muriel and Senator Milne. It attributes to myself the title of "retired school teacher" which I will add to titles of Professor, Doctor, and Expert Genealogist that have all been attributed to me -- none of which are correct <}:-) http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?GXHC_gx_session_id_=73f25 a0c1c4130c3&pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=10220999 50551&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News &col=968793972154 Sun Jun 9 10:01:28 2002 http://www.thestar.com Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== List Administrators: Tracy Cassidy GaelEire@aol.com Jim McCarthy SPAGHETTICOWBOY@cs.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Greetings All. As a result of the excellent article on the Census issue in the Toronto Star this morning, I have been contacted by Radio Station CFRB in Ottawa. I will be interviewed by them this morning, starting at 1:30 PM Ottawa time. For those outside of the CFRB listening area, they are accessible via the internet at http://cfrb.com/ It is nice that we are finally starting to get some attention from the media. Hopefully I can do justice to our cause during the interview. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

1906 census a locked treasure trove Greetings All. An excellent article on our Census issue in this morning's Toronto Star. The print version includes a picture of Muriel and Senator Milne. It attributes to myself the title of "retired school teacher" which I will add to titles of Professor, Doctor, and Expert Genealogist that have all been attributed to me -- none of which are correct <}:-) http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?GXHC_gx_session_id_=73f25 a0c1c4130c3&pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=10220999 50551&call_page=TS_News&call_pageid=968332188492&call_pagepath=News/News &col=968793972154 Sun Jun 9 10:01:28 2002 http://www.thestar.com Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Hi All: I just joined NYGB and have been looking at the New York Times through ProQuest. I"m noticing that there in the time period that I'm interested in (1850-1870) that there are many published passenger lists. Does anyone know whether such lists were routinely published in the paper for all incoming vessels? If so, it seems like I might be able to find my ancestors on one of these lists if they arrived in NYC. Thanks for any help. Cathy ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

I have been looking for obit in Brooklyn--- Have u tried the Bklyn. page? Tons of info there. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~blkyn/Bklyn.Info.Page.html Barbara : ) BARRETT, BURKE, BYRNE, CORRIGAN, GALLAGHER, McNALLY, QUINN. BAUER, BEEKMAN, BEUSCHER, BLANKENMEYER, HOHLER, HURRINUS, KELLER, KITTELBERGER, MILLER, RANGESSEN [sp?], ROLLMANN, SCHNEIDER, SOFFEL, VETTER, WAGNER, WEIGAND BUDARZ, ROMANSKI. BAEZ, COLON, PEREZ, SANCHEZ.

To the List per request: I obtained copies of Natz papers: Intent, Petition and Final, by requesting the C-Files for the individual involved by writing to the Dept of Justice, INS. This applies to NATZ SINCE 1906. You do not need to know where the documents were originally filed or when, or even if they were ever filed. It was free. Response time was about 2 months but some took over 3 months. The documents I received were definitely not the clearest but good enough for me to read about dates, port of entry, name of ships, spouses, witnesses, residence, name of court and Natz #s etc. Lots of good information. (One could always get better copies from the original source now that you knew what court etc to go to.) Check this site out for basic informaion: http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/graphics/aboutins/history/ then click on that page Naturalization Records (what they are, about INS copies since 1906 . . .) then read about C-Files (which I copied below for you) -------------------- Naturalization Certificate Files (C-Files) INS naturalization certificate files, known as C-Files, include a duplicate copy of all naturalization records dated after September 26, 1906. All C-Files contain at least a copy of the Declaration of Intention (184k) to become a US Citizen (to 1952), Petition for Naturalization (279k), and Certificate of Naturalization (223k). Occasional files contain additional documents or correspondence. C-Files include all US naturalizations from all States and Territories, and from all courts (Federal, State, and local). INS maintains an index to the C-Files, and can retrieve individual records based on name, date of birth, and place of birth. C-Files from 1906 to 1956 have been microfilmed, and are available via Freedom of Information/Privacy Act request to INS Headquarters in Washington, D.C. For naturalization records after 1956, Freedom of Information requests should be sent to the appropriate INS District Office. ----------------------------------- I sent for these in writing. Below you will find an example of the letter I used. Any dates I used were either my best est or better if I had it. For names I also gave alternative spellings if I though I needed to. Place of birth was as best as I could do and often was as simple as the name of the country. For individuals less than 100 years old you will need proof of death (copy of obituary, copy of death certificate, in my case I used a printout of the SSDI for the person on Rootsweb.com ( http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi ) and that was acceptable) or permission of the individual. I rec your including your phone number because I did in fact get a call from someone processing one of my requestes looking for clarification and proof of death-he accepted the SSDI printout. With in about a month after I submitted my request I got a form letter response informaing me of certain rules and fees, (but not always) but none of the fees applied. Of the 13 I have now sent for I got 7 postives returned, 2 no files found, and waiting on 4 I sent for this year in mid-April. Dayne ------------------------- This is an example of my letter: -------------------------- Director Freedom of Information Act/Privacy Act Program Immigration and Naturalization Service Department of Justice 425 Eye Street, N.W., 2nd Floor ULLICO Building Washington, D.C. 20536 (202) 514-1722 I am requesting a copy of the Naturalization Certificate Files (C-Files) for; Name: Souren MOZIAN DOB 28 Oct 1901 according to SSDI Place of Birth Armenia/Turkey Thank you (signature) (your typed name) (date) Address (your address) (your eMail addres) (your telephone number)

Country of Arrival Records - Obituaries Everyone who has an obituary, in effect, has a small biography. Not only do obits usually list survivors, but sometimes religious and/or political affiliations. You may sometimes find a birthplace in the old country. Even if a birthplace is not listed, you may find a clue to lead you to your ancestor's origins. If survivors are listed, you may be able to trace these people. This works better if a brother, sister or parents are mentioned. A birthplace in Ireland may be listed in one of their records! You are more likely to find an obit in the local newspaper, than an ethnic one. Remember though, not every family printed an obit when a member died. Some newspapers charged a fee. Or your family may be like mine and believe an obit was an open invitation to burglars! In order to search for an obit, you will need a date of death, or at least a very good estimate. It's recommended that you search a full week's editions after the date of death if the newspaper was printed daily. (Obits tend to run for a few days.) If the newspaper was printed weekly, it's a good rule of thumb to search for two weeks after the date of death. Take care, Tracy

Country of Arrival Records - Newspapers Newspapers can provide an abundant source of information that is vital to your genealogical research. Unfortunately, many times they are overlooked as a source. You will encounter two basic types of newspapers -- local and ethnic. Local newspapers cover one specific area, i.e., Brooklyn, Queens, etc. Or they may be broken down into smaller areas, such as a newspaper that only covers the Bay Ridge section of Brooklyn. These newspapers print a variety of items that could be useful: court news, wills proved, marriage licenses issued, marriage announcements, death notices, etc. These papers are/were targeted to the readers of that one geographic area. Therefore they would print news they believed to be of interest to their readers. The other type of newspaper is the ethnic newspaper. New York City was home to hundreds of different ethnic newspapers throughout the centuries. These newspapers were targeted to a specific ethnic group, such as the Irish. Therefore they would print news they believed would be of interest to these readers. This usually included news from the old country, political news, marriage & death notices, etc. Some ethnic newspapers actually printed columns listing all the new arrivals into the area! This was a good way for long-lost friends and family to hook up. I have personally found that ethnic newspapers tend to go into more depth on a news item that affected their readership. For example, while the potato famine in Ireland was covered widely in the US newspapers, you got a more personal view of the tragedy from the Irish newspapers in the US. Most of the old newspapers are now on microfilm and can be found at various libraries throughout the US. They can be ordered easily, and cheaply, on interlibrary loan. You can find a listing of Irish newspapers, printed in New York City, on: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com/whats_new.html You can find a listing of New York City area newspapers at the New York State Library website: http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/nysnp/nygcty.htm Just click on the appropriate county for the list. You will also find ethnic newspapers listed! Take care, Tracy

Hi Nancy. Thank you for your message. I have had a few responses from the list, however my purpose in posting here is to inform rather than get specific responses to my posts. Thank you also for your suggestion about the APG -- it is an avenue I had not been aware of or considered before and I will certainly check it out. Regarding your follow up message, I took the first message in the spirit with which it was intended and did not take any offence from what you had said. Thank you for your interest and support. Happy Hunting. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "NLColeman" <NLColeman@worldnet.att.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Post 1901 Census - A "solution" to the Census issue? Dear Gordon: I don't know whether you get much response from the Irish-NYC list, but I would suggest that another audience you may want to appeal to is the APG list (Association of Professional Genealogists). You can join it through the Rootsweb mailing list panel. http://lists.rootsweb.com/ It's listed under "Other" and under "Genealogical Societies": http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Genealogical_Societies/ You may have to give a brief history of the problem, the actions taken to-date, etc. but I believe it may be a better forum than the Irish-NYC list, particularly if you want to get others, with some influence, involved. Best regards. Nancy. Nancy Coleman NLColeman@worldnet.att.net NYC & LI Research Services www.GenealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html

Great job on the Naturalization Series. Very informative, good sites, covers it all. I have found out more information on this site in a few short months. Keep up the good work. Sincerely, Pat DeFilippis

I have been looking for obit in Brooklyn for both of my Grandparents, one of which died in 1927 and one in 1935 in Brooklyn. Where can I have someone look up in this particular newspaper for the time of each of their death? Thankyou Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com>

Tracy-Thanks is due for the County of Arrival Records-Naturalization Records that you put out. I passed it on to someone else and they decribed it best- "Someone finally turned the lights on." dayne

Before anyone writes to complain that I've slighted this list, I have not intended that at all. My message to Gordon is to get him in touch with some folks who head up some *organizations* that may have political clout both in the US and in Canada. No offense intended... Best regards. Nancy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "NLColeman" <NLColeman@worldnet.att.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 8:48 AM Subject: Re: [IRISH-NYC] Post 1901 Census - A "solution" to the Census issue? Dear Gordon: I don't know whether you get much response from the Irish-NYC list, but I would suggest that another audience you may want to appeal to is the APG list (Association of Professional Genealogists). You can join it through the Rootsweb mailing list panel. http://lists.rootsweb.com/ It's listed under "Other" and under "Genealogical Societies": http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Genealogical_Societies/ You may have to give a brief history of the problem, the actions taken to-date, etc. but I believe it may be a better forum than the Irish-NYC list, particularly if you want to get others, with some influence, involved. Best regards. Nancy. Nancy Coleman NLColeman@worldnet.att.net NYC & LI Research Services www.GenealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:24 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Post 1901 Census - A "solution" to the Census issue? Greetings All. Copied below is an extract from Hansard for Debates of the Senate of Canada for Wednesay 5 June 2002. It makes mention of a "solution" to the Post 1901 Census issue that was to be presented to a Cabinet committee today (Thursday 6 June 2002), and then to Cabinet next week. I am concerned that with recent activities in Ottawa, the Census issue is likely to receive little attention by the committee or by Cabinet. I am attempting to obtain information as to what this "solution" is but chances of being successful in this are likely 'slim to none'. Dr. Fellegi's, or Statistics Canada's (which is the same thing) public statements about the reasons for withholding the records do not stand up to scrutiny. They have not received the public outrage that they sought in their "broad based discussions with all Canadians". They have not proven that knowledge records would be available after 92 years would inhibit cooperation of respondents to Census. Quite the opposite, in fact. They have been strangely silent since the report on the Town Hall meetings and focus groups was made public. I am not aware of a single comment they have made about that. What we seek, and what we expect to receive, is unconditional access to Post 1901 records on the same basis as those records up to and including 1901 are currently accessible. Anything short of that will not prevent the legal action from going ahead. There is no justification for discriminating between those records up to 1901 and subsequent ones. Our lawyer, Lois Sparling, advises me that the next step is a motion for a ruling over her questions for the defendants and related matters that is scheduled for the monthly motions court heard in Calgary on Thursday June 20. I had a twenty minute long distance telephone conversation with Elaine Carey, reporter for the Toronto Star this morning. She is working on an article about the Census issue and our legal action. She had already talked to Senator Milne, Muriel and Lois. She indicated that Dr. Fellegi would not speak to her on the basis that "the issue is currently before the courts". I am looking forward to seeing her article which she hopes will be in the Star on Sunday. Cheers. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ========================================= Statistics Act National Archives of Canada Act Bill to Amend-Committee Authorized to Extend Date of Final Report Hon. Michael Kirby: Honourable senators, with leave of the Senate and notwithstanding rule 58(1)(a), I move: That notwithstanding the Order of the Senate adopted on April 25, 2002, the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology, which was authorized to examine and report on Bill S-12, to amend the Statistics Act and the National Archives of Canada Act (census records), be empowered to present its final report no later than September 30, 2002. The Hon. the Speaker pro tempore: Is leave granted, honourable senators? Hon. Senators: Agreed. Hon. Lowell Murray: Honourable senators, I do not rise for the purpose of expressing objection to this motion. However, I wonder whether the chairman of the committee could explain the reasons for the extension of time that is being sought by the committee on this matter. Senator Kirby: Honourable senators, I had a discussion yesterday with Senator Murray, who moved the motion to send Bill S-12 back to the committee, and with Senator Milne, the sponsor of the bill. My original hope had been to seek a two-week delay. A solution to the issue raised by Senator Murray is in fact to go before a cabinet committee tomorrow. It had been my hope that it would go to the cabinet committee tomorrow and on to the cabinet next week. We would then call Dr. Fellegi, the Chief Statistician of Canada, the following week. Unfortunately, he is going out of the country on Monday and will be gone for three weeks. He will not be back until after the Senate has adjourned for the summer, even if we sit until the end of June. I picked September 30 to ensure that we would deal with the issue as soon as we come back from the summer recess. 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Dear Gordon: I don't know whether you get much response from the Irish-NYC list, but I would suggest that another audience you may want to appeal to is the APG list (Association of Professional Genealogists). You can join it through the Rootsweb mailing list panel. http://lists.rootsweb.com/ It's listed under "Other" and under "Genealogical Societies": http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Genealogical_Societies/ You may have to give a brief history of the problem, the actions taken to-date, etc. but I believe it may be a better forum than the Irish-NYC list, particularly if you want to get others, with some influence, involved. Best regards. Nancy. Nancy Coleman NLColeman@worldnet.att.net NYC & LI Research Services www.GenealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 5:24 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Post 1901 Census - A "solution" to the Census issue? Greetings All. Copied below is an extract from Hansard for Debates of the Senate of Canada for Wednesay 5 June 2002. It makes mention of a "solution" to the Post 1901 Census issue that was to be presented to a Cabinet committee today (Thursday 6 June 2002), and then to Cabinet next week. I am concerned that with recent activities in Ottawa, the Census issue is likely to receive little attention by the committee or by Cabinet. I am attempting to obtain information as to what this "solution" is but chances of being successful in this are likely 'slim to none'. Dr. Fellegi's, or Statistics Canada's (which is the same thing) public statements about the reasons for withholding the records do not stand up to scrutiny. They have not received the public outrage that they sought in their "broad based discussions with all Canadians". They have not proven that knowledge records would be available after 92 years would inhibit cooperation of respondents to Census. Quite the opposite, in fact. They have been strangely silent since the report on the Town Hall meetings and focus groups was made public. I am not aware of a single comment they have made about that. What we seek, and what we expect to receive, is unconditional access to Post 1901 records on the same basis as those records up to and including 1901 are currently accessible. Anything short of that will not prevent the legal action from going ahead. There is no justification for discriminating between those records up to 1901 and subsequent ones. Our lawyer, Lois Sparling, advises me that the next step is a motion for a ruling over her questions for the defendants and related matters that is scheduled for the monthly motions court heard in Calgary on Thursday June 20. I had a twenty minute long distance telephone conversation with Elaine Carey, reporter for the Toronto Star this morning. She is working on an article about the Census issue and our legal action. She had already talked to Senator Milne, Muriel and Lois. She indicated that Dr. Fellegi would not speak to her on the basis that "the issue is currently before the courts". I am looking forward to seeing her article which she hopes will be in the Star on Sunday. Cheers. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ========================================= Statistics Act National Archives of Canada Act Bill to Amend-Committee Authorized to Extend Date of Final Report Hon. Michael Kirby: Honourable senators, with leave of the Senate and notwithstanding rule 58(1)(a), I move: That notwithstanding the Order of the Senate adopted on April 25, 2002, the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology, which was authorized to examine and report on Bill S-12, to amend the Statistics Act and the National Archives of Canada Act (census records), be empowered to present its final report no later than September 30, 2002. The Hon. the Speaker pro tempore: Is leave granted, honourable senators? Hon. Senators: Agreed. Hon. Lowell Murray: Honourable senators, I do not rise for the purpose of expressing objection to this motion. However, I wonder whether the chairman of the committee could explain the reasons for the extension of time that is being sought by the committee on this matter. Senator Kirby: Honourable senators, I had a discussion yesterday with Senator Murray, who moved the motion to send Bill S-12 back to the committee, and with Senator Milne, the sponsor of the bill. My original hope had been to seek a two-week delay. A solution to the issue raised by Senator Murray is in fact to go before a cabinet committee tomorrow. It had been my hope that it would go to the cabinet committee tomorrow and on to the cabinet next week. We would then call Dr. Fellegi, the Chief Statistician of Canada, the following week. Unfortunately, he is going out of the country on Monday and will be gone for three weeks. He will not be back until after the Senate has adjourned for the summer, even if we sit until the end of June. I picked September 30 to ensure that we would deal with the issue as soon as we come back from the summer recess. 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Country of Arrival Records - Naturalization Records Pt. 6 It is possible to do some online research for New York naturalization records. At the very least, you may find your ancestor in one of the online database indexes. If so, then all you have to do is send away for the records and hope you have the correct person! Some very helpful online databases are: http://www.jgsny.org/kingsintro2.htm As Dayne as pointed out, the Jewish Genealogical Society Of New York has an impressive online database. This surname searchable index is composed of 253,403 names of individuals who naturalized in the State Supreme Court of Kings County (Brooklyn) from 1907-1924. If you receive a 'hit,' you will find the date and volume of the declaration of intent and petition -- or both. http://www.italiangen.org/military_records_intro.stm The Italian Genealogical Group's 'New York Military Naturalizations Project' consists of 36,000 names of individuals who naturalized at area military bases in the twentieth century. The above link will take you to a chart, depicting the bases, locations and years covered. This index is searchable by surname or soundex code. http://www.westchestergov.com/wcarchives/ind.html#Decs The Westchester County Archives has an online database (index) of Declarations of Intentions, from 1808-1927. This index is alphabetical by first letter of surname. http://www.westchestergov.com/wcarchives/ind.html#Nat Another database from the Westchester County Archives - Naturalizations from 1808-1927. Also arranged alphabetically by first letter of surname. NOTE: Both databases from Westchester County could be very helpful to anyone researching ancestors in the Bronx. Remember, part of the Bronx was annexed from Westchester County! If anyone knows of any other online databases, I hope you will share them with us! The bottom line with naturalizations is that you can search for years, and still come away empty handed. Many immigrants simply did not naturalize. They may have mistrusted any or all government or may not have met the requirements necessary to become a citizen. Or they could have naturalized in some unexpected location. Maybe you didn't know they resided in Boston prior to moving to New York. Or maybe they simply didn't want to become citizens. It's a very difficult, time-consuming and frustrating search for many of us. But if you do find that naturalization certificate with the raised seal of the US government, you may do what I did -- frame it and put it on the wall! That piece of paper is truly priceless in all that it represents. I wish you all the best of luck in your search for naturalization records! Take care, Tracy

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May be of value for those of you searching for Naturalization Records in NYC and State. http://www.jgsny.org/nynats.htm dayne

Greetings All. Copied below is an extract from Hansard for Debates of the Senate of Canada for Wednesay 5 June 2002. It makes mention of a "solution" to the Post 1901 Census issue that was to be presented to a Cabinet committee today (Thursday 6 June 2002), and then to Cabinet next week. I am concerned that with recent activities in Ottawa, the Census issue is likely to receive little attention by the committee or by Cabinet. I am attempting to obtain information as to what this "solution" is but chances of being successful in this are likely 'slim to none'. Dr. Fellegi's, or Statistics Canada's (which is the same thing) public statements about the reasons for withholding the records do not stand up to scrutiny. They have not received the public outrage that they sought in their "broad based discussions with all Canadians". They have not proven that knowledge records would be available after 92 years would inhibit cooperation of respondents to Census. Quite the opposite, in fact. They have been strangely silent since the report on the Town Hall meetings and focus groups was made public. I am not aware of a single comment they have made about that. What we seek, and what we expect to receive, is unconditional access to Post 1901 records on the same basis as those records up to and including 1901 are currently accessible. Anything short of that will not prevent the legal action from going ahead. There is no justification for discriminating between those records up to 1901 and subsequent ones. Our lawyer, Lois Sparling, advises me that the next step is a motion for a ruling over her questions for the defendants and related matters that is scheduled for the monthly motions court heard in Calgary on Thursday June 20. I had a twenty minute long distance telephone conversation with Elaine Carey, reporter for the Toronto Star this morning. She is working on an article about the Census issue and our legal action. She had already talked to Senator Milne, Muriel and Lois. She indicated that Dr. Fellegi would not speak to her on the basis that "the issue is currently before the courts". I am looking forward to seeing her article which she hopes will be in the Star on Sunday. Cheers. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ========================================= Statistics Act National Archives of Canada Act Bill to Amend-Committee Authorized to Extend Date of Final Report Hon. Michael Kirby: Honourable senators, with leave of the Senate and notwithstanding rule 58(1)(a), I move: That notwithstanding the Order of the Senate adopted on April 25, 2002, the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology, which was authorized to examine and report on Bill S-12, to amend the Statistics Act and the National Archives of Canada Act (census records), be empowered to present its final report no later than September 30, 2002. The Hon. the Speaker pro tempore: Is leave granted, honourable senators? Hon. Senators: Agreed. Hon. Lowell Murray: Honourable senators, I do not rise for the purpose of expressing objection to this motion. However, I wonder whether the chairman of the committee could explain the reasons for the extension of time that is being sought by the committee on this matter. Senator Kirby: Honourable senators, I had a discussion yesterday with Senator Murray, who moved the motion to send Bill S-12 back to the committee, and with Senator Milne, the sponsor of the bill. My original hope had been to seek a two-week delay. A solution to the issue raised by Senator Murray is in fact to go before a cabinet committee tomorrow. It had been my hope that it would go to the cabinet committee tomorrow and on to the cabinet next week. We would then call Dr. Fellegi, the Chief Statistician of Canada, the following week. Unfortunately, he is going out of the country on Monday and will be gone for three weeks. He will not be back until after the Senate has adjourned for the summer, even if we sit until the end of June. I picked September 30 to ensure that we would deal with the issue as soon as we come back from the summer recess. Honourable senators, I am happy to make a commitment to the house on behalf of the committee that, if the issue is not resolved, we will have Dr. Fellegi as a witness at the committee's first sitting following our return in September. Motion agreed to.