Don, I went on Ancestry.com (I'm a subscriber) and found the following: New York City Directory, 1890 McGovern John, carpenter, h 131 Mulberry McGovern John, driver, h 240 E. 47th McGovern John, dyer, h 231 Monroe McGovern John, engineer, h 532 Grand McGovern John, fitter, h 401 E. 13th McGovern John, grocer, 103 E. 109th McGovern John, laborer, h 825 Seventh av McGovern John, mason, h 423 E. 73d McGovern John, provns. 286 Washn. mkt, h S. Orange, N. J. McGovern John, smith, h 407 E. 29th McGovern John, tailor, h 444 W. 31st McGovern John C. machinist, h 230 E. 70th McGovern John E. lithographer, h 105 Madison McGovern John F. clerk, h 880 Lex. av. McGovern John J. liquors, 302 E. 22d Hope this helps in your search, Maureen At 02:34 PM 6/17/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Anyone having a city directory for Manhattan for >either 1885 or 1890 could you please look for a John >McGovern. In 1880 he was living on W. 67th Street. > >I appreciate any help. > >Don McGovern

Anyone having a city directory for Manhattan for either 1885 or 1890 could you please look for a John McGovern. In 1880 he was living on W. 67th Street. I appreciate any help. Don McGovern __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

Ray, It would help to know where they lived in Brooklyn - the neighborhood. They probably did not travel very far from their home. Probably walked to church then. One of Brooklyn's nicknames is City of Churches.... needle in a haystack. On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:24:10 -0400 "Ray Horton" <sunray@erie.net> writes: > I have ancestors by the name of KEYS/KEYES who came over from N. > Ireland > (Fermanagh) in the 1870s and settled in Brooklyn. Can anyone > suggest what > protestant church they might have attended? > > Ray Horton > sunray@erie.net > > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the > quotes) to either: > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com (List Version) > IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Version) > You can also unsubscribe from the website: > http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

They may have put the records out without notice. The 1901 Canadian census went online without announcement. http://www.archives.ca/02/02012202_e.html Debbie

Greeting All. Subsequent to my last message regarding the CBC News article, I have received a response from Professor Chad Gaffield, team leader of the project referred to in the article. This is what he had to say. "The Canadian Century Research Infrastructure project will creat StatsCan-like microdata samples for the 20th century enumerations that have not yet been done. Our more recent accomplishment was the 1901 Canadian Families Project 5% sample, and we are building on this work and collaborating with StatsCan so that we will be able to study Canadian society continuously, not at the level of individuals, of course, but in the same way that researchers now study late 20th century censuses. As you can see, this work is unrelated to the 92-year question since our files will not have names." It would appear that any thoughts of release of name-identifiable records at this time are not a reflection of the reality. This is one example of the reason for not taking everything we read, such as the caption on the photograph in the article, as verbatim. We can frequently read into such references much more than was intended. I am advised there is still a possibility of some kind of announcement re: access to Census records following the Cabinet meeting on Wednesday. I have been unable to find any clue to what such an announcement will be, if it is forthcoming. Any announcement short of providing unrestricted access to Post 1901 Census records, on the same basis as access is currently available for those records up to and including 1901, will mean that our campaign will continue. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Greetings All. The following article from CBC News is available online at http://cbc.ca/stories/2002/06/14/online_census020614 There is also a link to an audio new article regarding this. I find particularly interesting the reference in the caption to a photograph about records from 1911 to 1951. Has the government quietly made these records available without any announcement? I am trying to obtain further clarification through Senator Milne's office, and from Chad Gaffield, team leader of this project. Rest assured I will let you know anything I can find out about this. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. Online census database to offer link to Canada's past Last Updated Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:01:20 OTTAWA - Universities across the country are working on putting a century of Canadian census records on the Internet for everyone to access. Handwritten census records are stored in the basement of a Statistics Canada building and will have to be deciphered before the information can be included in the national online database. Census records from 1911 to 1951 would be added to existing databases (Note - This line was a caption to a photograph that accompanied the article - GAW) "It'll be easily usable by any number of practitioners from genealogists to historians to sociologists to economists," said historian Peter Baskerville of the University of Victoria, one of the researchers on the project. It's expected it will take the researchers at seven Canadian universities - Ottawa, Memorial, Laval, Université du Québec à Trois Rivières, York, Toronto and Victoria - four years to complete the bilingual database. Chad Gaffield is the head of Canadian Studies at the University of Ottawa and team leader for the estimated $14-million project, one of the largest-ever social science research initiatives. He said researchers have already made some interesting discoveries from the census data. "We found that in 1901, there were roughly the same proportion of single parent families in Canada as today," said Gaffield. "So what's happening through our research projects is that we're really rethinking a lot of what we considered unprecedented phenomena." The census project is part of an international collaboration that Gaffield said will give Canada a solid foundation upon which to debate the nature of social change. Written by CBC News Online staff

I have ancestors by the name of KEYS/KEYES who came over from N. Ireland (Fermanagh) in the 1870s and settled in Brooklyn. Can anyone suggest what protestant church they might have attended? Ray Horton sunray@erie.net

Greetings All. As a result of my previous request that all seeking access to Post 1901 Census records submit Access To Iinformation requests for the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces to Statistics Canada and the National Archives, many have now received notice that the National Archives does not hold the 1906 records, and that their $5.00 fee will be returned. This was the first phase of this tactic. The second phase is to submit a complaint to the Information Commissioner regarding the refusal/inability of the Archives to provide the records requested. I copy below a suggested letter of complaint to the Information Commissioner of Canada. Unlike the ATI Requests, there is no fee required to submit such a complaint. As with the ATI requests, I would ask that copies of your complaint be sent to me by email attachment, fax to 604-942-6843, or snail mail to Gordon A. Watts 1455 Delia Drive Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 2V9 In the letter below, those items within the square brackets should be substituted by the information suggested, i.e. the date, whether your notice of refusal was by telephone, or by letter, and your signature and mailing address. A suggested letter of complaint for Statistics Canada will be posted as soon as I see one of their responses. It is felt that the ATI Requests to the National Archives have probably served their purpose and no further requests need be send there. Requests to Statistics Canada, however, are a different story. ATI Requests to Statistics Canada for access to the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces should be continued. Thanks to all for your continued support. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ================================ Mr. John Reid Information Commissioner of Canada Place de Ville, Tower B 112 Kent Street, 22nd Floor Ottawa, Ontario K1A 1H3 Dear Sir; On [date] I forwarded an Access to Information Request to the National Archives of Canada. With this request I sought general access to schedules of the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces of Canada (Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta). On [date] I was advised by [letter/telephone] that the National Archives did not have custody of these records and the $5.00 fee that was included with my ATI request would be refunded. Mr. Commissioner, clauses in Instructions to Officers and Enumerators of Census for 1906 (and other years) clearly state that records of Census "have value as a record for historical use" (Clause 20) and that "The census is intended to be a permanent record, and its schedules will be stored in the Archives of the Dominion." (Clause 34). Further, clauses in the Access to Information and Privacy Acts, and Regulation 6(d) of the Privacy Act specifically provide for access to personal information from Census, to any person or body, for purposes of research, 92 years following collection. The National Archives of Canada Act provides that the National Archivist of Canada shall determine what records of government have historical and archival value, and that shall be deposited in the National Archives. The National Archivist has determined that Census records do have historical and archival value, and that they are, in fact, a National Treasure. The pertinent legislation and regulations clearly state that I should have unrestricted access, through the National Archives, to nominal schedules of Census 92 years after collection. Records of the 1906 Census should have been available from 1998, now four years past. This letter is to be considered my official complaint regarding the refusal, or inability, of the National Archives of Canada to provide access to schedules of the 1906 Census of the Western Provinces as per the applicable legislation and regulations. Thank you. [Signature and address]

Very nice tribute. You were very lucky to have such a father. At 10:59 AM 06/16/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Today is Father's Day here in the States. I've done a tremendous amount of >thinking about Dads in the last few days. > >We didn't have a tremendous amount of money when I was growing up. We always >had food on the table, and our school tuition was paid. We had new clothes, >but nothing stylish like my friends. My friends had the latest, cool toys >and I was pretty envious. During the summer months, my father worked a >second job at night as a janitor, cleaning schools. He did this so there >would be enough money to buy toys for the four children for Christmas. I was >your typical snippy pre-teen, and was very embarrassed, so I told my friends >that my dad taught school at night. Come Christmas morning, the tree was >surrounded by gifts. > >I don't remember a lot of the gifts my father worked so hard to give us. >These gifts that I was so embarrassed about as a kid. What I remember the >most is the time we spent together. He taught me to play baseball in the >backyard. When we went swimming in the pool, he pretended to be a >sea-monster and would grab at my legs. My mother would have to take me out >of the pool because I was laughing so hard that I couldn't breathe. My Dad >didn't help me with my homework, but he would sit quietly and listen while my >mother reviewed my lessons with me. It wasn't until I was an adult that I >understood why. He never made it past the 8th grade, and would sit and learn >with me. Whenever my Dad went to fix anything in the house, I was his little >helper. > >As an adult, he made it his job to take care of my car. Even though I was >having it serviced, he would still check the tires and the oil - just in case >the servicemen got it wrong. I would come over to visit my family, and my >Dad would be outside, checking my car! If the weather was bad, he would call >me to make sure I made it home from work. I learned a lot from my father - >to be nice to people, to love my country and most importantly, that family >comes first. > >The greatest gift I got from my father was the opportunity to know him as a >human being. You know the old saying - you can pick your friends, but not >your family. My father was someone that I would have picked as a friend. >I'm glad that we were friends. > >My father died in my arms a year and a half ago. It was then that I learned >what it meant to be truly heart-broken. He was a phenomenal human being, and >I hope to be half the person he was. > >I'd like to say thank-you to all the men who are fathers or who mentor a >young person. And also to the women who are wearing both hats of mother and >father. You make an indelible impression on us. You help shape who will be >as adults. No one thinks to thank-you if you do a good job. From the bottom >of my heart - thank you! And have a very happy Father's Day! > >Take care, >Tracy > > >==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== >Do you miss receiving MISSING LINKS and SOMEBODY'S LINKS? If so, >just subscribe to: >http://www.petuniapress.com/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Somehow I missed this series. Would someone be kind enough to send it to me? I have two or three ancestors who were naturalized in NYC around 1880. (18861-1879). Thank you. L. D. Collins Windowsus@aol.com wrote: > Great job on the Naturalization Series. Very informative, good sites, covers > it all. > I have found out more information on this site in a few short months. Keep > up the good work. > Sincerely, > Pat DeFilippis > > ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== > Adopt a US County list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/adoptable/ > Adopt a Surname list > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/adoptable/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello, Listers! This enclosed message was sent to me via SKS who did not know who had requested some info. on my TWISS family and was wondering, if another SKS would kindly assist me with trying to find where I may be able to find this SOMERVILLE-LARGE publisher in Eire, or, even perhaps, if there might be on in someone's possession, or, in an Irish Library, as I do not know Eire and was there about 25 yrs. ago on coach tour and really did not know where to go to start my research at that time! Your assistance would be greatly appreciated! <G> Thank you so very much. Shannah Subject: [GALWAY] re Suriname TWISS > > > I am unsure if I have the right site. Some weeks ago a lister posted a > query regarding the unusual name TWISS . On reading the 'The Grand Irish > Tour' by Peter Somerville- Large he makes mention of a Dr. Twiss travelling > in the Norther Counties of Ireland in 1700's there is little mention but if > the 'lister' contacts the publisher ( no source documents are mentioned) > they may be able to generate a source. > > > ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== > Make connections.....list your surname in the County Galway Surname Roster > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/galway/galwaysurnames.html > Jane Lyons' From Ireland County Galway site: http://www.from-ireland.net/contents/galwayconts.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Today is Father's Day here in the States. I've done a tremendous amount of thinking about Dads in the last few days. We didn't have a tremendous amount of money when I was growing up. We always had food on the table, and our school tuition was paid. We had new clothes, but nothing stylish like my friends. My friends had the latest, cool toys and I was pretty envious. During the summer months, my father worked a second job at night as a janitor, cleaning schools. He did this so there would be enough money to buy toys for the four children for Christmas. I was your typical snippy pre-teen, and was very embarrassed, so I told my friends that my dad taught school at night. Come Christmas morning, the tree was surrounded by gifts. I don't remember a lot of the gifts my father worked so hard to give us. These gifts that I was so embarrassed about as a kid. What I remember the most is the time we spent together. He taught me to play baseball in the backyard. When we went swimming in the pool, he pretended to be a sea-monster and would grab at my legs. My mother would have to take me out of the pool because I was laughing so hard that I couldn't breathe. My Dad didn't help me with my homework, but he would sit quietly and listen while my mother reviewed my lessons with me. It wasn't until I was an adult that I understood why. He never made it past the 8th grade, and would sit and learn with me. Whenever my Dad went to fix anything in the house, I was his little helper. As an adult, he made it his job to take care of my car. Even though I was having it serviced, he would still check the tires and the oil - just in case the servicemen got it wrong. I would come over to visit my family, and my Dad would be outside, checking my car! If the weather was bad, he would call me to make sure I made it home from work. I learned a lot from my father - to be nice to people, to love my country and most importantly, that family comes first. The greatest gift I got from my father was the opportunity to know him as a human being. You know the old saying - you can pick your friends, but not your family. My father was someone that I would have picked as a friend. I'm glad that we were friends. My father died in my arms a year and a half ago. It was then that I learned what it meant to be truly heart-broken. He was a phenomenal human being, and I hope to be half the person he was. I'd like to say thank-you to all the men who are fathers or who mentor a young person. And also to the women who are wearing both hats of mother and father. You make an indelible impression on us. You help shape who will be as adults. No one thinks to thank-you if you do a good job. From the bottom of my heart - thank you! And have a very happy Father's Day! Take care, Tracy

LEE GI MI - Do you have a HIBBARD HUNT in your line of HUNTS? HIBBARD HUNT had a daughter named SARAH, who married JOSIAH FLAGG, date 1772 at Campobello Is. N.B. JOSIAH FLAGG born around 1750's I am hunting for this HIBBARD HUNT because he and my g.g.g.g. grandfather, FLAGG (first name unknown) were supposed to be the first white settlers on Campobello Is. according to history from that area. BUT I do not know my gggg grandfather's first name and I am searching under every rock to find it. I know this is a long shot, but when you have a "brickwall" - you know how it is!!! Please let me know if you have any of this info. I will be forever in your debt if you will look in you records and get back to me. Thanks mucho Berta/Colorado

Greetings All. Subsequent to my last message just posted I received a message from Bill Hancock, Editor of the Humboldt Journal. He advised that while they have a website, they are not currently posting articles to it. He has advised that he will send me a copy of the article(s) he writes which I will be free to post. Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm

Greetings All. A short time ago I had an extensive telephone interview with Wm. L. (Bill) Hancock, M.A., Editor, Humboldt Journal, of Humboldt, Saskatchewan. Those having access to the Humbolt Journal should watch for an article about the Post 1901 Census issue. It is a weekly publication, issued each Thursday. The Humboldt Journal is online at http://www.sasknews.com/papers/headlines-humboldt.shtml?pfl=headlines.pa ram Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

looking for any info on Abel or Daniel HUNT, 1750 thru 1800, Dutchess , Orange and Westchester Counties NY. LEE GI MI

Gordon, For what the "h" are they waiting? Have they not decided which way they are going to vote after all this time of see you come in/fax letters/post mail with arguments for us after all this time?? My God, they must be clueless!! Yes, I stand by that. We vote them in and they sc w us! And, no, that was not a printing error--it was deliberate that way! But, people do not seem to have a memory--take Old Two Woody Good Shoes--he talking about running, again, the othe week and he says people have forgotten what he did while he was in that throne? They sure know how to take us for granted! Must go. I could write a book on this! <BG> Thank you. Shannah *************************************************** I am researching my Great TWISS Family all throughout this vast world. If you know of anyone who is researching this surname I would appreciate it very much if you would, please, forward my name and two address- es to them. Thank you. Shannah @: twiss_griggs@uniserve.com & twiss_griggs 74@hotmail.com. This last one is meant only as an emergency incase you can not get intouch with me through Uniserve. Thank you. ************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon A. Watts" <gordon_watts@telus.net> To: <IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: [IRISH-NYC] Post 1901 Census - more gold ticks Greetings All. With files just sent for uploading, the Scoreboards will add four more gold ticks of support for access to Post 1901 Census records. MPs Tom Wappel (ON), Lawrence O'Brien (LAB), and Raymonde Folco (PQ), and Senator Lise Bacon (PQ) have been awarded gold ticks today. This brings the totals now to House of Commons. FOR 156 AGAINST 6 NON-COMMITTAL 60 NO RESPONSE 79 Senate FOR 35 AGAINST 3 NON-COMMITTAL 17 NO RESPONSE 42 Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted. ==== IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send an email with "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) to either: IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-L-request@rootsweb.com (List Version) IRISH-NEW-YORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Version) You can also unsubscribe from the website: http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Greetings All. With files just sent for uploading, the Scoreboards will add four more gold ticks of support for access to Post 1901 Census records. MPs Tom Wappel (ON), Lawrence O'Brien (LAB), and Raymonde Folco (PQ), and Senator Lise Bacon (PQ) have been awarded gold ticks today. This brings the totals now to House of Commons. FOR 156 AGAINST 6 NON-COMMITTAL 60 NO RESPONSE 79 Senate FOR 35 AGAINST 3 NON-COMMITTAL 17 NO RESPONSE 42 Happy Hunting. Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Greetings All. MP and Senator Scoreboards on the Post 1901 Census Project website (at the URL following my signature) have been updated. New MPs elected on 13 May 2002 have been added. They are Massimo Pacette (Lib) Saint Leonard - Saint Michell, Quebec Brian Masse (NDP) Windsor West - Ontario Rex Barnes (PC) Gander - Grand Falls, Newfoundland & Labrador John Efford (Lib) Bonavista - Trinity - Conception, Newfoundland & Labrador Stephen Harper (CA) Calgary Southwest, Alberta Liza Frulla (Lib) - Verdun - Saint Henri - Saint Paul Pointe - Saint Charles, Quebec Raymond Simard (Lib) Saint Boniface - Manitoba MPs Bonnie Brown and John McCallum (Ontario) have both been award a fence for their non-committal responses while Senator Day has been awarded a gold tick of support. Current standings are: House of Commons FOR 153 AGAINST 6 NON-COMMITTAL 62 NO RESPONSE 80 Senate FOR 34 AGAINST 3 NON-COMMITTAL 17 NO RESPONSE 43 We continue to encourage all to write letters to their own representatives to seek their support for access to Post 1901 Census records. Check the position of your MP and/or Senators on the Scoreboards. If you have a response from them that is different than the position shown for them, please forward a copy of it to me so that their position may be updated. Happy Hunting Gordon A. Watts gordon_watts@telus.net Co-Chair, Canada Census Committee Port Coquitlam, BC http://globalgenealogy.com/Census en français http://globalgenealogy.com/Census/Index_f.htm Permission to forward without notice is granted.

Hi everyone, Just wanted to let you know that starting today, June 10 and extending over several days, Rootsweb will begin moving all the list servers to other machines. The lists will be down for a short period while this is being done. No messages will be sent from or to the lists. No messages are expected are to be lost. If you attempt to post to the list and it doesn't go through, this is why. We ask that you try to post again in a few hours. Thanks for your patience! Take care, Tracy